SSB64 STEAM group

[SuPeRbOoM]

I ask for p2p in the chat often, so come into the chat and play!

 

[SSB64-Jel]

hmmm it would be alot of fun to play L4D2 with you guys. Only thing is I got it for 360 and not PC

 

[Deleted member]

HERE COMES the BERSERKER

i did not think of that horrid title btw

 

[killa k]

i did not think of that horrid title btw

dun lie

10lies

 

[Deleted member]

i suggested berserk

way better than berserker

 

[MattNF]

hmmm it would be alot of fun to play L4D2 with you guys. Only thing is I got it for 360 and not PC

wtf why would you buy a FPS on a console

U DUM?

Sucks that Aussie's L4D2 was watered down, and I really cbf dling the NTSC vers. Ah well.

Yeah censorship suks

 

[Imainlowtier]

2bad I can't play even on low
my comp would die

 

[SSB64-Jel]

wtf why would you buy a FPS on a console
U DUM?

Really really bad Pc at the time , but now I have a better Pc so maybe ill sell my copy and get it for Pc.

 

[ciaza]

Console>pc. that's right I went there. It all comes down to what system everyone else has, all my friends have a ps3 so we play mw2 on that.

 

[Dash_Fox]

Console>pc. that's right I went there. It all comes down to what system everyone else has, all my friends have a ps3 so we play mw2 on that.

That's a pretty dumb argument. So you think that:
1. Terrible controls
2. Terrible graphics
3. Terrible online
4. No mods

are better than:
1. Pinpoint accuracy with Keyboard and mouse
2. Ability to max out graphics
3. Dedicated servers (Not with MW2 though, since that's a terrible game and you should feel bad for playing it).
4. Ability to modify your game to anything you desire if you're skilled enough.

all of this?

It does not come down to what system everyone has, since gamers play video games because they want to play video games not hang out with friends.

 

[ciaza]

I play video games to have fun AND play competitvely (Representing Aus in a clan =D). I have the most fun when I play with my friends, not to be a total hardcore fanboy online yelling at anyone who uses a grenade launcher. Overall you're arguments against console is heavily exaggerated, controls are fine, graphics are still high Def, Online isn't as good as dedicated servers, but still fine, mods are unnecessary.

This topped off by that I never said any of those things were better than the other, at all.


I'm not here to start a major flame fest between everyone's own opionion on which is better, if my friends all played on PC, I would to and take advantage everything PC has to offer, but I prefer personally sprawling out on the couch looking at the game on a huge TV chatting to friends, IMO.

 

[ballin4life]

Pc has better controls and mods are awesome. But seriously, if I want a game and all my friends have it on console, I'm probably going to get it on console

 

[Fireblaster]

Pc has better controls and mods are awesome. But seriously, if I want a game and all my friends have it on console, I'm probably going to get it on console

Yeah, it's specially fun when you and your friends want to play blazblue and he uses the 360 controller and you have a ps3 fight stick... oops. Oh what's this? PC versions of games can use any controller? So nice. And PC's can hook up to the TV? Even nicer.

I play video games to have fun AND play competitvely (Representing Aus in a clan =D). I have the most fun when I play with my friends, not to be a total hardcore fanboy online yelling at anyone who uses a grenade launcher.

... cool story bro?

Overall you're arguments against console is heavily exaggerated, controls are fine, graphics are still high Def,

lol "still high def". You're lucky if new console games coming out even run at a measly 720p/1280x720 (Old cheap PC monitors of 1280x1024 have better resolution than that) . Also, controls are not "fine". The 360 controller has one of the worst DPads of ALL TAHM. The sticks are garbage for FPS's too, which is ironically what the system is most known for. Same for the PS3, though its Dpad is just one step above absolute trash as well.

Online isn't as good as dedicated servers, but still fine,

No, online is TRASH. Online is such a pain in the *** to get working on consoles and even if you do get online you still get hit with stupid "could not create room" errors that you have no way of solving since a console is a closed system and you can't edit it in any way, therefore making you hope that the online just "works".

mods are unnecessary.

You're ****ing kidding me right? Do you even know what mods ARE? The ability to extend your game's life and replay value tenfold and giving coders the ability to essentially create entirely new games out of a game's engine is "unnecessary"? I'm sorry that you enjoy getting less replay value for a measly $60 US.

Just a few things that were possible due to mods:
- Counter strike is a half life mod
- Left 4 Dead is based on a counter strike mod
- Several of the new game modes in MW2 were only there because they were mods that PC GAMERS used in CoD4
- Team Fortress 2 is based on a Quake mod

This topped off by that I never said any of those things were better than the other, at all.

When you make blind ignorant stupid *** comments like "Console > PC" that's essentially what you're saying.

I'm not here to start a major flame fest between everyone's own opionion on which is better, if my friends all played on PC, I would to and take advantage everything PC has to offer, but I prefer personally sprawling out on the couch looking at the game on a huge TV chatting to friends, IMO.

PC's can connect to TV's, what a dumb statement. PC's can also use any controller ever. Not only that, but playing on a nice monitor is superior to playing on some blurry TV (yes, HDTV's are still blurry compared to monitors). You get far more bang for your buck with monitors and much better viewing angles that your "big *** TV" can only hope to accomplish if it was 80 inches or something.

 

[Dash_Fox]

I play video games to have fun AND play competitvely (Representing Aus in a clan =D). I have the most fun when I play with my friends, not to be a total hardcore fanboy online yelling at anyone who uses a grenade launcher. Overall you're arguments against console is heavily exaggerated, controls are fine, graphics are still high Def, Online isn't as good as dedicated servers, but still fine, mods are unnecessary.

This topped off by that I never said any of those things were better than the other, at all.


I'm not here to start a major flame fest between everyone's own opionion on which is better, if my friends all played on PC, I would to and take advantage everything PC has to offer, but I prefer personally sprawling out on the couch looking at the game on a huge TV chatting to friends, IMO.

Wrong.
-Controls are terrible. You have a limited access to hotkeys and the movement and aiming is awful with the sticks. You can never do too many things at once with a controller.
-Graphics are not high definition. At most a console can get what? A resolution of 800x640? That's terrible.
-Online is terrible. It lags like hell and if you're an Xbox gamer (you're not though) you have to pay EXTRA to have a friends list LOL.
-Mods are unnecessary if you're a casual gamer who doesn't play competitively. Since you said you play competitively then mods ARE necessary.

These are not "opionion"s this is the cold hard truth. Screw a couch when I got my *** kicking computer chair that feels like a throne. Huge TV's are bad for FPS games, with my 21 inch monitor I can see everything quickly so I don't get head shot by noobs. Also if I wanted to, I could hook up a big screen TV to my computer, which I will once I get the money to do so. I would love me to play some ROMS on it.

Besides, why did you have to separate FUN and COMPETITIVELY? It's fun to play to competitively and it's fun to play the game. Unless you're one of those guys who goes "OMG TOURNY*** LRN TO HAVE FUN LOSER".

 

[Untrust Us]

so, how about that iPad eh?

 

[ciaza]

Let's get one thing I clear, I didn't put "console>pc" as a competive statement, I actually meant to put "" after it but forgot since I was tired, It was meant to be in a more friendly way, so you guys interpretted it the way you did and reacted appropriately which is fine, my own stupid mistake, this is the last thing I wanted from one tired statement, but hey whatever I'm here now, sorry for the mess I've made >_>. I like arguing, I reckon it's good for the mind so I may as well continue now that I'm here .

Dash, those things you mentioned ARE opinion, even if you like to say it's not. I could care less about graphics at it's highest, just because YOU get headshotted due to a blurrier screen, doesn't mean EVERYONE does, I've adjusted to see just fine, super high graphics or no. I seperated fun and competitively for a reason, in clan wars I play competitvely which is great, playing with friends for fun is cool too.

Again with with controls, jsut because YOU are not perfect with controllers doesn't mean NOONE is. I aim fine, and I know many people who are a lot more than fine. Of course that's not to say Kb and mouse aren't better, but a controller has the capablilities to do everything a PC controls can if you get good enough with it.

Fireblaster - My storiest are the coolest.

PC has more to offer than consoles, great I recognize that, as mentioned I put "console>pc" as a minor kick to show that Im a console fan, not to shove my middle finger up at PC boys, I made a mistake and I'm sorry.

Also I retract my mod statement, didn't know mods could do that much. Well I had a general idea from fallout 3's GECKO but other than that not much else.

In conclusion, no offense meant, didnt mean to give a finger, my bad, but hey I'm sure you have more to say let's hear it .

 

[Zantetsu]

You guys are arguing over something really ********. It's just video games, calm the **** down. If you like console, play console. If you like PC, play PC. Listing these "facts" to each other is most likely not going to change either of your opinions.

 

[Dash_Fox]

Let's get one thing I clear, I didn't put "console>pc" as a competive statement, I actually meant to put "" after it but forgot since I was tired, It was meant to be in a more friendly way, so you guys interpretted it the way you did and reacted appropriately which is fine, my own stupid mistake, this is the last thing I wanted from one tired statement, but hey whatever I'm here now, sorry for the mess I've made >_>. I like arguing, I reckon it's good for the mind so I may as well continue now that I'm here .

Dash, those things you mentioned ARE opinion, even if you like to say it's not. I could care less about graphics at it's highest, just because YOU get headshotted due to a blurrier screen, doesn't mean EVERYONE does, I've adjusted to see just fine, super high graphics or no. I seperated fun and competitively for a reason, in clan wars I play competitvely which is great, playing with friends for fun is cool too.

Again with with controls, jsut because YOU are not perfect with controllers doesn't mean NOONE is. I aim fine, and I know many people who are a lot more than fine. Of course that's not to say Kb and mouse aren't better, but a controller has the capablilities to do everything a PC controls can if you get good enough with it.

Fireblaster - My storiest are the coolest.

PC has more to offer than consoles, great I recognize that, as mentioned I put "console>pc" as a minor kick to show that Im a console fan, not to shove my middle finger up at PC boys, I made a mistake and I'm sorry.

Also I retract my mod statement, didn't know mods could do that much. Well I had a general idea from fallout 3's GECKO but other than that not much else.

In conclusion, no offense meant, didnt mean to give a finger, my bad, but hey I'm sure you have more to say let's hear it .

You're wrong again, just stop posting before you hurt your self.
If you think that the controller is anything like keyboard and mouse go play some quake 3 or Tribes or UT or Quakeworld or TFC hell you can't even play CS on a controller.
The more you pull ideas out of your butt the more you're gonna get butthurt in the end. A console is nothing more than a watered down PC now since last gen. Saying you're a fan of the consoles means you like inferior products and you are helping the downfall of video games which has been the trend for the past 6 years.

 

[Daedatheus]

Dash, those things you mentioned ARE opinion, even if you like to say it's not. I could care less about graphics at it's highest, just because YOU get headshotted due to a blurrier screen, doesn't mean EVERYONE does, I've adjusted to see just fine, super high graphics or no.

Whaaaa....?

Equivalent:
I still finish the race at 11:00 AM just like you, because I've adjusted my schedule to start the race 20 minutes before you - so your car actually isn't faster than mine.

LOGIC FAIL

Saying you're a fan of the consoles means you like inferior products and you are helping the downfall of video games which has been the trend for the past 6 years.

I don't think a guy who buys all his games is contributing to the downfall of an industry vs. a PC-only player who has easy access to pirated copies of any game he wants.

 

[ciaza]

Actually the equivalent is I chose a track that is very bumpy and hard to run on, as opposed to a smooth track, but I still finish at the same time.

Dash, I'm using cod4/mw2 as my primary reference for controls here, you can even reverse those scenarios for a game like ssb, where a joystick is needed to play well, even though a keyboard can do everything a controller can with a little more effort.

 

[Fireblaster]

Dash, those things you mentioned ARE opinion, even if you like to say it's not.

Nothing Darth said was opinion. NOTHING. Opinions are subjective, facts are objective. Everything darth said was a FACT.

I could care less about graphics at it's highest, just because YOU get headshotted due to a blurrier screen, doesn't mean EVERYONE does,

What the hell does this mean and what does it have to do with anything? This statement is a relativist fallacy and a red herring, good job.

I've adjusted to see just fine, super high graphics or no.

Now THIS is an opinion, and a pretty stupid one at that. Higher resolution = better. Period. A high resolution could mean the difference between something looking like part of the stage or you actually identifying them as an enemy approaching and being able to shoot them pinpoint accurately.

I seperated fun and competitively for a reason, in clan wars I play competitvely which is great, playing with friends for fun is cool too.

Why are you implying that fun and competitive are exclusive? Are there actually *******es out there that play video games NOT for fuN?

Again with with controls, jsut because YOU are not perfect with controllers doesn't mean NOONE is. I aim fine, and I know many people who are a lot more than fine.

UGH what the **** is this ****

The Relativist Fallacy is committed when a person rejects a claim by asserting that the claim might be true for others but is not for him/her. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

Claim X is presented.
Person A asserts that X may be true for others but is not true for him/her.
Therefore A is justified in rejecting X.

Of course that's not to say Kb and mouse aren't better, but a controller has the capablilities to do everything a PC controls can if you get good enough with it.

BULL****. Complete and utter bull****. It is a FACT that console controllers are nowhere near the mouse and keyboard in terms of accuracy and capabilities. FACT. Want proof? Virtually all console FPS's come with auto-aim turned on by default and is allowed in online matches. Any sort of auto-aim is hated by PC players in SINGLE PLAYER FPs's, much less multiplayer where it's more or less considered cheating.

I don't think a guy who buys all his games is contributing to the downfall of an industry vs. a PC-only player who has easy access to pirated copies of any game he wants.

- You can pirate on consoles
- Used games hurt the industry just as much as pirating (Developers don't see a dime)
- I'd rather have an industry of smaller developers that make quality games that people would buy for $20-30 than have these massive million dollar budget, 10 hour sequel, gimped games that cost $60 that come with Day 1 Downloadable Content on the disk that needs to be bought to be unlocked, further driving the price of the game up artificially.
- http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198010421706/games
- That is my steam account. Don't assume all PC gamers pirate.

You guys are arguing over something really ********. It's just video games, calm the **** down. If you like console, play console. If you like PC, play PC. Listing these "facts" to each other is most likely not going to change either of your opinions.

Too bad they're facts that console owners try to refute simply because consoles are "good enough". It's because of this "eh good enough" attitude that the game industry is in the ****ty state it is today.

 

[Untrust Us]

lol nice games list
but "ew" at GTA IV, that game is boring as ****.

How is mirror's edge? I only have tf2, fear, and fear 2.

 

[Fireblaster]

lol nice games list
but "ew" at GTA IV, that game is boring as ****.

How is mirror's edge? I only have tf2, fear, and fear 2.

Mirror's Edge was a pretty cool game, an unique experience from being a 1st person platformer. Its price on steam is $20 though I got it from the black friday sale for $5, which was a really good deal. In my opinion it's too short for me to buy it at $20. Oh, and GTA IV I only bought at $7 for the christmas sale, so it was a pretty good deal

PS. The amount of money I've spent on all of my steam games is only $228.50

 

[Zantetsu]

Too bad they're facts that console owners try to refute simply because consoles are "good enough". It's because of this "eh good enough" attitude that the game industry is in the ****ty state it is today.

Yeah, too bad your posts aren't saving the gaming industry one bit. You're just talking to the Smash 64 Discussion section of Smashboards, what do you plan to accomplish by just constantly bashing console gaming here?

Also, wouldn't consoles be helping the game industry? I'm pretty sure most sales come from consoles games, but feel free to correct me and bash me with a 5 paragraph essay if I'm wrong. You guys have been doing it through out this whole **** thread anyway. It kind of makes me laugh how serious you guys are about this. But hey, I guess they're right when they say internet is serious business, right?

P.s. I'm playing CoD:MW2 on my Xbox 360 as I type this. Feels good man.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Consoles are only useful for games that aren't on the PC...:D

 

[ciaza]

Welp, looks like I got my argument rebutall that I wanted, except for some reason this one doesn't seem as fun as others >_>.

My arguments are based not upon this"eh good enough" attitude, but upon the fact that my friends play on console.

Obviously higher resolution = better, I never said it wasn't.

I never meant to imply fun and competitve were exculsive, playing seriously and mucking around are fun in their own right, I love nothing more that a good challenge competitvely.

Auto aim isn't proof that controllers do not have the potential to do everything a kb and mouse can do, however no doubt it is heavily restricted by human limitation. I'm not denying in any way that a kb and mouse is much easier to use and be accurate with, I'm jsut saying that a controller has the potential to do just as well.

I expect to have fun typing another long message though in reply to yours.

(Also I changed my mind, this is quite fun, even if I am getting out-classed =D)

 

[Dash_Fox]

Actually the equivalent is I chose a track that is very bumpy and hard to run on, as opposed to a smooth track, but I still finish at the same time.

Dash, I'm using cod4/mw2 as my primary reference for controls here, you can even reverse those scenarios for a game like ssb, where a joystick is needed to play well, even though a keyboard can do everything a controller can with a little more effort.

LOL just quit talking, Everyone knows side scrollers, fighters, and most platformers are better with controllers.

You would never come close to what a keyboard and mouse can do in FPS games than with a console, you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't believe me? This video is all the proof you can ever wish for:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALELmIo8zk

 

[MattNF]

I'm jsut saying that a controller has the potential to do just as well.

No, not really. Controllers are extremely limited compared to KB+mouse. Even a noob with KB+Mouse would probably go even with "good" controller players.

 

[Dash_Fox]

Welp, looks like I got my argument rebutall that I wanted, except for some reason this one doesn't seem as fun as others >_>.

My arguments are based not upon this"eh good enough" attitude, but upon the fact that my friends play on console.

Obviously higher resolution = better, I never said it wasn't.

I never meant to imply fun and competitve were exculsive, playing seriously and mucking around are fun in their own right, I love nothing more that a good challenge competitvely.

Auto aim isn't proof that controllers do not have the potential to do everything a kb and mouse can do, however no doubt it is heavily restricted by human limitation. I'm not denying in any way that a kb and mouse is much easier to use and be accurate with, I'm jsut saying that a controller has the potential to do just as well.

I expect to have fun typing another long message though in reply to yours.

(Also I changed my mind, this is quite fun, even if I am getting out-classed =D)

You must be either trolling or stupid. Sorry.

 

[Skrlx]

lol nice games list
but "ew" at GTA IV, that game is boring as ****.

How is mirror's edge? I only have tf2, fear, and fear 2.

I thought I told you but i have FEAR 2

 

[Untrust Us]

I thought I told you but i have FEAR 2

I'm not going to play with you

 

[WOTG]

Wow. So much hate because someone "jokingly" explains they prefer Console gaming over PC gaming.
But PC gaming is definitely superior to console gaming... In pretty much every way actually. The only reason why I'd play on console is if its a game not on PC, or if I'm playing with irl friends.

 

[DMoogle]

BULL****. Complete and utter bull****. It is a FACT that console controllers are nowhere near the mouse and keyboard in terms of accuracy and capabilities. FACT. Want proof? Virtually all console FPS's come with auto-aim turned on by default and is allowed in online matches. Any sort of auto-aim is hated by PC players in SINGLE PLAYER FPs's, much less multiplayer where it's more or less considered cheating.

Ugh, so many good solid points in your post, then you say that keyboards > controllers is a fact. Controllers offer two main advantages (a couple of small ones too, but I won't bother listing them unless you want me to):
Control stick: it should be clear that sometimes you don't want 100% absolute direction and range. Having to buffer or toggle something like walk/run is a pain in the ***.
Learning curve: learning controls on a controller, IME, doesn't take as long as learning keyboard controls. Sometimes a minimalistic layout is a good thing.

You can't quantify the value of these advantages, so you can't say it's a fact, just like PC > console isn't a fact.

 

[Dash_Fox]

Ugh, so many good solid points in your post, then you say that keyboards > controllers is a fact. Controllers offer two main advantages (a couple of small ones too, but I won't bother listing them unless you want me to):
Control stick: it should be clear that sometimes you don't want 100% absolute direction and range. Having to buffer or toggle something like walk/run is a pain in the ***.
Learning curve: learning controls on a controller, IME, doesn't take as long as learning keyboard controls. Sometimes a minimalistic layout is a good thing.

You can't quantify the value of these advantages, so you can't say it's a fact, just like PC > console isn't a fact.

Completely wrong.
With mouse turning you can go in any direction much better than a controller. Also it's not hard to hold shift or something to walk or just go step by step if you want to go slow.

The learning curve is much easier with a keyboard and mouse also, but much harder to master. Keyboard and mouse feels very natural and not so clumsy like a controller. You can get used to a keyboard and mouse within hours unlike the controller.

It's a fact that keyboard and mouse are better for FPS RTS and MMO games. You cannot say otherwise since you have absolutely no support. Why do you think FPS games on consoles have AUTO AIM? It's because the controller sucks *** and video game developers know it.

 

[DMoogle]

EDIT: Double post oops.

 

[DMoogle]

My support is that I've experienced otherwise. I prefer the feel of a controller over keyboard for many games, such as SSB. It's subjective.

The learning curve is much easier with a keyboard and mouse also, but much harder to master. Keyboard and mouse feels very natural and not so clumsy like a controller. You can get used to a keyboard and mouse within hours unlike the controller.

A new controller, maybe. But a controller I'm used to, it usually only takes a few minutes to learn the controls of a new game.

I hate WASD with a passion. D-pads are so much more comfortable, intuitive, and easy to use for me.

 

[_kSo_]

It's like when they tried to make starcraft for N64 and it failed epically.

I don't get why people keep bringing up SSB as an argument for controllers because Dash already mentioned that games like that fall into the category of "games that are better with controllers" IMO that includes fighters, FPS, RTS, and platform fighters like smash.

Also, ssb came out for n64, which is why everyone got used to the controller. The emulator/rom wasn't developed until later, hence the reason why many people prefer not to use the keyboard.
That doesn't mean that the keyboard is more unwieldy than a controller. (I forget who brought that up)

In any case, based on the arguments presented (which provided me with information that was quite new to me) and from personal experience, I think that FPS games played on the PC are far superior in every way possible.

 

[killa k]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cALELmIo8zk

****, Quake looks hard as hell to play. So fast paced plus you need good accuracy.

 

[Zantetsu]

****, Quake looks hard as hell to play. So fast paced plus you need good accuracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7B9FN0hr2E

Personal favorite game of mine that I wish I played more. It's pretty fast paced for a shooter and deals more with technical skill then accuracy. Game looks slower then it really is. The button commands for the simple things are ridiculous.

If you ever wanted a game that fought like what you see in anime's, here it is XD

 

[Gammelnorsk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7B9FN0hr2E

Personal favorite game of mine that I wish I played more. It's pretty fast paced for a shooter and deals more with technical skill then accuracy. Game looks slower then it really is. The button commands for the simple things are ridiculous.

If you ever wanted a game that fought like what you see in anime's, here it is XD

wudve been better if u picked a good player