SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[papagenos]

No If anything Lucas would get cut out before ness. The Original 12 are for a fact a shoo-in wether you like it or not.

like it or not? im just compiling stuff to see what it looks like, if I was sakurai i'd cut lucas way before considering cutting ness however... im not him. none of us are, and "rules" about not cutting the original 12, while a very reasonable assumption, are still just assumptions and fan speculated theories. sakurai can do whatever he feels like theres no "rules" here thats been proven time and time again by sakurai doing things none of us predict.

 

[MasterofMonster]

I don't see any reason why a pic would be that tiny if it was legit.

 

[PWN3]

I don't see any reason why a pic would be that tiny if it was legit.

You can quite literally see the pixels of the sprite. Don't give it any more attention.

 

[papagenos]

You cut Ness but keep Jigglypuff instead of Mewtwo?...

i cut ness based on this new "way back machine" theory.

I'd love to see mewtwo back but this was just me putting info together. Since it was just putting info together i dont want to get into likelihood of characters over other characters but i will say the fact that lucario AND charizard already rep "mega evolutions" (a major reason for putting mewtwo back in) and jigglypuff would rep the new "fairy type" which hasnt been represented here yet AND the fact greninja got in showing that gamefreaks is pushing the new stuff here... jigglypuff in and mewtwo not is totally possible EVEN if one of the original 12 is being cut, it doesnt HAVE to be jigglypuff even if most of us would cut jigglypuff if we HAD to choose one of the original 12 to cut.

 

[MasterofMonster]

You can quite literally see the pixels of the sprite. Don't give it any more attention.

Oh, I know, that was kinda my way of dismissing it. ^^
And I am certain that PacMan will be in anyways. But not with that design. I expect the PacMan with PacMen for eyes~

Anywho, this thread really goes everywhere all the time. So let me ask, any recent leaks or rumors today?

 

[soviet prince]

I know, which is why the idea that he might not have cared all that much is upsetting, especially coming off of the flood of fan favorites we got in Brawl (which, while not perfect, was loads better than Melee or this game).

it's not only that but imo he has hinted toward ridley through out the entire POTD with the inicial reveal of the stage, all the size don't matter pics, never showing a stage hazard despite being the most shown stage. If ridley is not in ( which I believe he is not) then sakurai is either a **** ( can I say that?) that likes to troll his fans or a complete idiot who know nothing about his fanbase. Look at the support threads it by far the biggest( ha ha I said big) one here by far, and I challange you to find a thread talking about smash characters where ridley is not debated on for at least 1/4 of the post.

Also ppl disagree with me on this but it seems sakurai was intentionally ( or again stupid) wanting us to think grenninja was mewtwo. Yes in Hindsight you can might obv conclude it's not him but everybody ik that watched it thought mewtwo at first. If he is not in I thinking about getting the game used if I get it to not contribute to the sales of the game.

I am not mad that there are out there characters I am mad that there are hardly any fan favs, I am going to write an article on this which I am sure will be hated by everyone because you know sakurai can not do any wrong.

pop quiz: if the sal roster was posted as a leak after e3 and was not 90 percent chance of being true like this is would you have been ok with it? I bet no since this is worse then the hated betternet leak which at least had diddy kong and mewtwo.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

it's not only that but imo he has hinted toward ridley through out the entire POTD with the inicial reveal of the stage, all the size don't matter pics, never showing a stage hazard despite being the most shown stage. If ridley is not in ( which I believe he is not) then sakurai is either a **** ( can I say that?) that likes to troll his fans or a complete idiot who know nothing about his fanbase. Look at the support threads it by far the biggest( ha ha I said big) one here by far, and I challange you to find a thread talking about smash characters where ridley is not debated on for at least 1/4 of the post.

Also ppl disagree with me on this but it seems sakurai was intentionally ( or again stupid) wanting us to think grenninja was mewtwo. Yes in Hindsight you can might obv conclude it's not him but everybody ik that watched it thought mewtwo at first. If he is not in I thinking about getting the game used if I get it to not contribute to the sales of the game.

I am not mad that there are out there characters I am mad that there are hardly any fan favs, I am going to write an article on this which I am sure will be hated by everyone because you know sakurai can not do any wrong.

pop quiz: if the sal roster was posted as a leak after e3 and was not 90 percent chance of being true like this is would you have been ok with it? I bet no since this is worse then the hated betternet leak which at least had diddy kong and mewtwo.

So...let me get this straight- you still want the game, regardless of whether your favourite characters make it. However, if they don't make it you're going to buy the game used just to spite Nintendo, even though you obviously still regard the game highly enough to purchase it.

That's pretty childish mate.

It's not so much the fact that you'd be spiting Nintendo that irritates me slightly - though purposefully affecting sales of a game that you regard highly enough to purchase just because it doesn't include a couple of characters you want is bad enough, especially considering the struggles Nintendo are facing currently. It's more the fact that the developers rely on sales to remain profitable - to stay in business and avoid redundancies. The fact that you clearly intend on buying the game and yet refusing to allow any portion of your money to go to the people who actually developed it doesn't sit well with me at all.

 

[Bauske]

You can quite literally see the pixels of the sprite. Don't give it any more attention.

That and the fact that it's clearly just this picture shrunk down.

 

[NintenRob]

I think if the gematsu leak is true, I think the roster will be the following

-50 characters
-No cuts besides Squirtal and Ivysaur
-Organised like Brawls with franchises being allocated a column (with maximum being 5)
-Miis will replace Random
-King K Rool will fill up the "Mario Spin-off column"
-Takamaru will be the other newcomer not mentioned

here's a link to how I think it will all be organized
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/69002356

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Unless I'm mistaken this forum isn't even the majority of smash players so we can't even say he needs to listen to what the majority demands. Sure, it's always nice when a dev team connects with the core fanbase (part of why I love Firaxis) but that is hardly Nintendo's style (the closest I ever got was sleeping on one of their employee's couches ).

Maybe our demands and standards are a tad high.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

Unless I'm mistaken this forum isn't even the majority of smash players so we can't even say he needs to listen to what the majority demands. Sure, it's always nice when a dev team connects with the core fanbase (part of why I love Firaxis) but that is hardly Nintendo's style (the closest I ever got was sleeping on one of their employee's couches ).

Maybe our demands and standards are a tad high.

If Sakurai listened to fans as much as some of us are requesting, and put characters in based on popularity, you'd have a new roster headlined by Goku and Shrek. The amount of requests they get per hour on Miiverse is phenomenal.

What I'm really saying is I trust the development team to make a stellar game, with a stellar lineup - and when the characters aren't who I expect, as they aren't usually, it tends to drive me toward playing a few of the franchises the characters originate from. I'd prefer a line-up that encourages fans to play some of their older and more niche franchises than a line-up consisting of the Top 50 Most Popular.

It could just be me, but I look forward to surprises and niche characters in the rosters.

 

[soviet prince]

So...let me get this straight- you still want the game, regardless of whether your favourite characters make it. However, if they don't make it you're going to buy the game used just to spite Nintendo, even though you obviously still regard the game highly enough to purchase it.

That's pretty childish mate.

It's not so much the fact that you'd be spiting Nintendo that irritates me slightly - though purposefully affecting sales of a game that you regard highly enough to purchase just because it doesn't include a couple of characters you want is bad enough. It's more the fact that the developers rely on sales to remain profitable - to stay in business and avoid redundancies. The fact that you clearly intend on buying the game and yet refusing to allow any portion of your money to go to the people who actually developed it doesn't sit well with me at all.

I don't like the roster= childish, but if it lets you sleep well I prob end up preordering it when I calm down and I geuss your right on that it's not the programmers fault and I give you that because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. Which still does not mean I approve of how sakurai is handing the roster and is treating his fans. I mean like I said in the above post there is only 2 options he either trolling the fanbase or ignorant of what the fans want which neither is good for a directer of a high profile game. He should have been doing research on demanded characters in all areas of the world instead of putting his and japan want's first.

 

[EmbersToAshes]

I don't like the roster= childish, but if it lets you sleep well I prob end up preordering it when I calm down and I geuss your right on that it's not the programmers fault and I give you that because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. Which still does not mean I approve of how sakurai is handing the roster and is treating his fans. I mean like I said in the above post there is only 2 options he either trolling the fanbase or ignorant of what the fans want which neither is good for a directer of a high profile game. He should have been doing research on demanded characters in all areas of the world instead of putting his and japan want's first.

You have every right to dislike a roster - it was your suggestion that you were planning to cut off your nose to spite your face and buy it second hand I was referring to as childish. It's a mean trick to pull on developers who've worked hard for two years to put out a game you clearly value enough to buy. Anyway, you have no reason to disbelieve Sakurai hasn't been checking public opinion and reflecting it in the line-up - Sal's leak seemingly isn't a comprehensive roster, hence Rosalina's exclusion, and it's likely more will be in the game.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I really doubt Ness would get cut - it would be Lucas if anyone.

Especially now that Ness is officially known worldwide now, with the vc release of Earthbound.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Lucas cut but I wouldn't be shocked to see him stay either, it's that kind of situation.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

I don't like the roster= childish, but if it lets you sleep well I prob end up preordering it when I calm down and I geuss your right on that it's not the programmers fault and I give you that because I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. Which still does not mean I approve of how sakurai is handing the roster and is treating his fans. I mean like I said in the above post there is only 2 options he either trolling the fanbase or ignorant of what the fans want which neither is good for a directer of a high profile game. He should have been doing research on demanded characters in all areas of the world instead of putting his and japan want's first.

I'm getting flashbacks to Pokemon Bank Entitlement here. You have no idea how their development process works. Just because it's not what YOU want doesn't mean Sakurai isn't thinking of the fans.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Especially now that Ness is officially known worldwide now, with the vc release of Earthbound.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Lucas cut but I wouldn't be shocked to see him stay either, it's that kind of situation.

Ness has been known worldwide since SSB64. That's what probably set Earthbound off on a long journey to get released worldwide.

 

[UberPyro64]

Honestly if there is 4 cuts then I have no doubt that they are Squirtle, Ivysaur, Ike and Snake. They make the most sense.

 

[Radical Bones]

Honestly if there is 4 cuts then I have no doubt that they are Squirtle, Ivysaur, Ike and Snake. They make the most sense.

Lucas and one of the space animals are possibilities too.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Ness has been known worldwide since SSB64. That's what probably set Earthbound off on a long journey to get released worldwide.

I meant known as a part of the game he originated in, not as an appearance in a fighting game.

 

[UberPyro64]

I'm convinced that Wario, Ganondorf, Ice Climbers, R.O.B., Meta Knight, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Ness and Mr. Game & Watch are all safe bets.

When it really comes to down to it I would say it's between Falco, Wolf, Lucas, Ike, Squirtle, Ivysaur and Snake. Falco and Wolf have appeared more recently in Star Fox 64 3D and Lucas is the only other Mother rep that is possible at all. Ike can easily be replaced in some form.

So that's why I think the 4 would be Squirtle, Ivysaur, Ike and Snake.

 

[TheAnvil]

yeah id rather keep ness as well but idea's like "the original twelve CANT be cut" and stuff are our own community theories and sakurai never plays by our rules so i'm not going to rule out the possibility ness has been cut.

ok so I'm compiling some stuff here: Sal leak(s)/ MK8 leak/ Trophy's shown in the direct mean series with newcomers theory/ and now this "way back machine" wolf/ness cut theory.

here's a roster using these guidelines:
View attachment 12121


1) Sal's leak(s): all of his "leaked" characters are on here.

2)MK8: if Mii's dont count as a "character" but as a button like "random" and are only usable in some modes (possibly being entirely tied to customizable movesets), its 48 characters with 4 cuts.

3)Trophies in the direct theory: Fire emblem = Chrom / Zelda = Ghirahim / Kid Icarus = Palutena / Metroid = Ridley

4)Way back machine: Wolf/Ness cut

NOTES:
I tried to be unbias and just use leaks and theories here; however as for the Zelda rep Ghirahim, i had to make a choice of him over Tingle... while Tingle is just as possible and would be our 2nd upgraded assist trophy AND a character from multiple Zelda titles... Ghirahim is from skyward sword and the trophy shown in the direct was skyward sword character "Fi" so if i'm using that as a guideline my prediction is Ghirahim. I've also proposed the theory that the "new" Zelda rep could just be a reworked Ganondorf, in which case we'd hit 48 characters with Mii's counting as a "spot" and the only character NOT leaked by Sal being Ridley (which would somewhat make sense with all the teasing and hints sakurai has thrown at us regarding Ridley, he may be being kept extremely secret).

Once again I'm just compiling things to see what it looks like.

I have to say that if the roster ended up like that there'd be no chance I'd buy it.
I'd be more than happy to stick with Brawl.

 

[MasterofMonster]

People, less Rosters, more Rumors.

Any very recent rumors? Not even terrible Gamefaqs ones?

 

[dezeray112]

It seems like the rumors have been very slow lately.....

 

[TheTuninator]

Agreed. It's not being entitled if the character(s) whose absence(s) you're upset about were major national or international requests. Like it or not, if the goal is to assemble a fanservice roster of All-Star characters, their absence(s) are objectively flaws, especially if characters are intentionally added in their stead because people don't care about them (but "Sakurai adds who you don't know you want!!!").

I get the feeling that Sakurai and the developers got cynical and figured that, since people will buy the games and defend the final roster no matter what, they could get away with adding whatever characters they wanted without repercussion. Notice, this is the first Smash game where there hasn't been any popularity poll conducted at all, not even a Japan-only one. What's more, it wasn't until after Brawl when he started preaching about how "adding to the roster doesn't matter, we need to take a new direction."

Plenty of fans were going to be disappointed no matter the final result. Yes, it sucks that Ridley and K. Rool probably won't be playable, but fans of Advance Wars (for example) and other lesser series will most likely end up disappointed with the omission of their preferred protagonists in the final roster as well. Rhythm Heaven has plenty of fans; why are they less deserving of seeing their favorite character get in? If sheer majority popularity dictated roster inclusion SSB would have nothing but Pokereps and Mario characters.

Also, what's with people saying that Sal added in the part about the 6 being predicted for E3? Sal himself was very clear that the rumor predicted E3 reveals.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

I've been seeing Sora suggested, but wouldn't that involve disney?

 

[Johnny Wellens]

i cut ness based on this new "way back machine" theory.

I'd love to see mewtwo back but this was just me putting info together. Since it was just putting info together i dont want to get into likelihood of characters over other characters but i will say the fact that lucario AND charizard already rep "mega evolutions" (a major reason for putting mewtwo back in) and jigglypuff would rep the new "fairy type" which hasnt been represented here yet AND the fact greninja got in showing that gamefreaks is pushing the new stuff here... jigglypuff in and mewtwo not is totally possible EVEN if one of the original 12 is being cut, it doesnt HAVE to be jigglypuff even if most of us would cut jigglypuff if we HAD to choose one of the original 12 to cut.

Again, there is nothing to this theory. You need to put it out of your mind. We were only theorizing and it turned out to lead nowhere. Don't fuel this idea any further, you're just going to derail this thread further.

 

[NintenRob]

People, less Rosters, more Rumors.

Any very recent rumors? Not even terrible Gamefaqs ones?

Would you like me to go make one?

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

I can go call a friend and get told I'm not getting any info. I can then go all Sherlock Holmes and try to make inferences out of what he says. Would that count?

 

[MasterofMonster]

Would you like me to go make one?

Nah, Mods will come crashing down on you.

I am shocked the leaks have calmed down suddenly, though. I expected a flood of them after the Direct. Maybe this is for the better. Now it will be easier to see any real ones.

 

[Wolfie557]

Nah, Mods will come crashing down on you.

I am shocked the leaks have calmed down suddenly, though. I expected a flood of them after the Direct. Maybe this is for the better. Now it will be easier to see any real ones.

no I want the lazy liars to make new ones...........

 

[swordbreaker]

Plenty of fans were going to be disappointed no matter the final result. Yes, it sucks that Ridley and K. Rool probably won't be playable, but fans of Advance Wars (for example) and other lesser series will most likely end up disappointed with the omission of their preferred protagonists in the final roster as well. Rhythm Heaven has plenty of fans; why are they less deserving of seeing their favorite character get in? If sheer majority popularity dictated roster inclusion SSB would have nothing but Pokereps and Mario characters.

Also, what's with people saying that Sal added in the part about the 6 being predicted for E3? Sal himself was very clear that the rumor predicted E3 reveals.

Liking RH =/=Wanting to see a charater in Smash playable

 

[S_B]

Well, all my faves are already in so they could add chibi-ganosaurus mcderpaderp and I'd be okay. I'm mostly here because I like knowing things and rumors are juicy.

Nah, CGMCD1 was pretty decent, but CGMCD2 was total crap.

 

[Wolfie557]

Nah, CGMCD1 was pretty decent, but CGMCD2 was total crap.

the what now.........

 

[Spazzy_D]

Wow. I like how people are claiming that the possible new comer list has no fan favorites when what they really mean is that it doesn't have Ridley and K. Rool and that they don't like a combination of Pacman, Mii, and the Chorus men.

Megaman, Little Mac, Palutena, Shulk, Villager, Rosaline and Chrom all had a lot of support (some more then others.) They're not Ridley or K. Rool though, so apparently they don't count. The thing is, and I say this with Ridley being my second most wanted character, both of those characters had things working against them. Supporters could plug there ears and not listen, but Sakurai clearly knows Ridley is important (he always includes him in the game) and has had multiple chances to put him in the game. If he doesn't make it this time, it is likely because Sakurai doesn't think being a playable character is a good way to represent Ridley. K. Rool still has a decent chance to be in, but if he isn't let's please remember that Donkey Kong Country is a living and popular franchise, and that he has not been an important part of it for fourteen years.

TLDR: The Sal Leak + Rosalina DID include a lot of requested characters, and some other fan favorites like K. Rool and Ridley may not be in the game for legitimate (at least to Sakurai reasons) and NOT because Miis might be playable.

 

[TheAnvil]

Wow. I like how people are claiming that the possible new comer list has no fan favorites when what they really mean is that it doesn't have Ridley and K. Rool and that they don't like a combination of Pacman, Mii, and the Chorus men.

Megaman, Little Mac, Palutena, Shulk, Villager, Rosaline and Chrom all had a lot of support (some more then others.) They're not Ridley or K. Rool though, so apparently they don't count. The thing is, and I say this with Ridley being my second most wanted character, both of those characters had things working against them. Supporters could plug there ears and not listen, but Sakurai clearly knows Ridley is important (he always includes him in the game) and has had multiple chances to put him in the game. If he doesn't make it this time, it is likely because Sakurai doesn't think being a playable character is a good way to represent Ridley. K. Rool still has a decent chance to be in, but if he isn't let's please remember that Donkey Kong Country is a living and popular franchise, and that he has not been an important part of it for fourteen years.

TLDR: The Sal Leak + Rosalina DID include a lot of requested characters, and some other fan favorites like K. Rool and Ridley may not be in the game for legitimate (at least to Sakurai reasons) and NOT because Miis might be playable.

Rosalina may be a popular choice now. But before she was announced I saw maybe two people request her and that was only AFTER she was announced for SM3DW.

 

[S_B]

Liking RH =/=Wanting to see a charater in Smash playable

Especially when Ouendan was doing handheld rhythm on the DS a whole YEAR earlier and, thus far, still doesn't even have an ASSIST TROPHY when the whole point of the franchise is that the characters ASSIST people...

 

[Arcadenik]

What I don't understand, is why it's so hard just to give the majority of people what they want or expect? There is also the - "You want an AC rep? Nah not a fighter!" Then when he has hardly a damn choice THEN he adds him, then on top of that he seems to add a character that REALLY makes no damn sense based off of what he said before hand *Cough*Chorus Kids*Cough*. It makes it seem like he comes up with lame reasons why he doesn't choose certain characters and hypocritically chooses others. I'm okay with Sakurai not getting all fan request in as long as there are not clear WTF choices and not the good WTF like "WTF is that character?" but the bad ones where it makes you go "WTF was he thinking?" Wasting dev time on crap like that, that only like 3 people may have even asked for? Come on. He's the only one who does this crap and I was expecting him to have his fill with WFT who actually was successfully implemented. Not even Ultimate Marvel 3 was this bad, beyond not listening to Mega Man fans anyway.

Sakurai said long time ago that adding nothing but popular characters doesn't excite him... that's why he adds characters who are less popular but could be unique... such as Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, etc.

I predict we will see a sequel to this thread this coming summer.

 

[Wolfie557]

Wow. I like how people are claiming that the possible new comer list has no fan favorites when what they really mean is that it doesn't have Ridley and K. Rool and that they don't like a combination of Pacman, Mii, and the Chorus men.

Megaman, Little Mac, Palutena, Shulk, Villager, Rosaline and Chrom all had a lot of support (some more then others.) They're not Ridley or K. Rool though, so apparently they don't count. The thing is, and I say this with Ridley being my second most wanted character, both of those characters had things working against them. Supporters could plug there ears and not listen, but Sakurai clearly knows Ridley is important (he always includes him in the game) and has had multiple chances to put him in the game. If he doesn't make it this time, it is likely because Sakurai doesn't think being a playable character is a good way to represent Ridley. K. Rool still has a decent chance to be in, but if he isn't let's please remember that Donkey Kong Country is a living and popular franchise, and that he has not been an important part of it for fourteen years.

TLDR: The Sal Leak + Rosalina DID include a lot of requested characters, and some other fan favorites like K. Rool and Ridley may not be in the game for legitimate (at least to Sakurai reasons) and NOT because Miis might be playable.

I agree. the only problem I have with that leak is chorus men(cmon even marshal is better.......theres less of those dumb things).
palutena, chrom, shulk especially are VERYYYYYY requested and especially palutena......she is basically the one below pacman ridley and k rool(Im on the Dixie side).

 

[Spazzy_D]

Rosalina may be a popular choice now. But before she was announced I saw maybe two people request her and that was only AFTER she was announced for SM3DW.

I said different levels of support, but she did have 10 pages of support before here reveal in the official thread:

http://smashboards.com/threads/moth...lina-general-discussion-thread.324285/page-10

Which is more then 2 people. I saw more then a handful of Rosalina Avatars here as well. Even ignoring that, the others I mentioned had A LOT of support. Especially Little Mac and Megaman.

 

[PlTe]

Here's something to talk about

"Hai guys my dad is Iwata and he let me have smash bros wii u for my birthday which was 2day.
zelda is not in the game cuz my dad said she sux.
new fire emblem rep is roy
luigi's mansion is a new character. he shoots ghosts at you
goku is playable and his final smash has him go super saiyan and he's like super sonic
also sonics final smash now has him turn into a werewolf bcuz that game rulz
sakurai has been lying about assist trophies. all assist trophies are playable characters
master chief is playable and is totally better than haf the people on the roster
everyone from the mario franchise is removed from the game except diddy kong
I'm totally legit
ur welcum. "

I think this one is real.