SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[Cap'nChreest]

I thought Mii's were disconfirmed right? I hope so. I really don't care for them being characters. If they were added its no big deal though. Sakurai would make them cool.

 

[dezeray112]

it's not just ridley, it's the sal leak which is 100 percent legit, he got to much right. The final roster is garbage worse then betternet, he practically ignored fan favs and put random characters he wants.

I wouldn't exactly jump to conclusions thinking that this is the final roster just yet and it is probably best to wait and see what the final roster will be when the 3DS version comes out this Summer. So who knows?

 

[Banjodorf]

You know what I find hilarious? Despite being off and generally wrong, the Betternet roster may still yet guess that Pac-Man and Ganon will be shown at E3. Just based on how today's direct went.

It seems that way anyway, because I imagine Ganon has gone through quite a good many changes.

 

[soviet prince]

I wouldn't exactly jump to conclusions thinking that this is the final roster just yet and it is probably best to wait and see what the final roster will be when the 3DS version comes out this Summer. So who knows?

how many newcomers do you think there be? it seems like we reached the limit. I hope I am wrong but I was optimistic with the rob leak being fake and look what happened

 

[Bauske]

Don't know if you guys saw this or not, but not only did they release a ton of Wii U pictures, they also released a bunch of 3DS ones too. Not really that much in the way of confirmations, aside from a couple new Pokemon, but still pretty neat.

If this is the wrong place to post this, my apologies. I just hadn't seen it mentioned yet.

 

[dezeray112]

how many newcomers do you think there be? it seems like we reached the limit. I hope I am wrong but I was optimistic with the rob leak being fake and look what happened

I was expecting at least around 10-15 newcomers, but I really don't know if this is the final roster which is why I've already stated that when the 3DS version comes out, we'll have answers to see who the actual newcomer characters are.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Don't know if you guys saw this or not, but not only did they release a ton of Wii U pictures, they also released a bunch of 3DS ones too. Not really that much in the way of confirmations, aside from a couple new Pokemon, but still pretty neat.

If this is the wrong place to post this, my apologies. I just hadn't seen it mentioned yet.

Interesting to see the polar bear from Ice Climbers.

I don't think it necessarily says anything about them but it's still interesting.

 

[powerprotoman]

I won't pretend there is no chance Miis will still be playable, but after this Direct there seems to be decent reasons to doubt that they are. The biggest reason, of course, is that the Find Mii stage uses a crown as its series logo instead of the Mii logo. It is very unlikely that Miis would use this as their series logo, and since this stage is clearly from a Mii-centric game, that raises a serious red flag. On top of that, a Mii was shown to reside in the cage in that stage, which means that they are in fact "stage stuff," at least to a small degree. On top of that, Miis were shown to once again be used in the online mode as avatars; while this does not mean they are not playable necessarily, it does give the impression that there's a good chance they are not. Not to mention the fact that the jet pack from Pilotwings Resort was shown, which seemed like the obvious choice for a Mii Up-Special. This is in addition to the bowling ball move of the Villager, boxing moves seen on two characters, yoga of the Wii Fit Trainer, baseball bat of Ness, and tennis racquet and golf club of Peach. Altogether, this leaves the Mii with relatively few obvious options for a unique moveset. Admittedly this is a pretty weak and highly arguable reason as to why they might not be playable, but the point still stands for what it is worth. Now, with all of that said, there is still a decent chance Miis are playable, especially since there is another Mii-centric game stage (whose series logo we haven't seen for that matter), two more if you see Pilotwings as a Mii game, and the Sal Romano leak to support their inclusion. For the record Miis are my most wanted character after Pac-Man, so I'm really hoping my paranoia turns out to be misguided! For now let's all try not to lose our minds too much over these new Direct-fueled mysteries, I imagine all will become clear soon enough.

im just going to bring up toon link as my argument as to why your "Stage stuff" argument is wrong

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Did this Salromano guy say the 12 he revealed are going to be the only newcomers?

After being blindsided for a FOURTH time (Villager, WFT, Rosalina) with the confirmation of Greninja I'm becoming very suspicious of assumptions and popular opinion.

That translates to: We all know diddly squat and now I'm expecting a roster of 60 with Birdo as a playable character. *shrugs and makes a derp face*

 

[IonProductionz]

The Direct pretty much gave the Palutena leak about 300% more credibility since assist trophies do not have outlines.
On that note, I believe the Betternet Roster Leak has been debunked.

• Wii U release date is "early autumn"
• 3DS release date is during the holidays

 

[VermilionBird]

Gotta remember that as we are getting very close to the 3DS release date, a lot of the new rumours have a higher likely hood of being true. As well as this, character confirmations (old and new) should be coming quicker than before

 

[Misti]

Oh God! Final Destination is so hype!

 

[Kenith]

Oh God! Final Destination is so hype!

I believe you are posting in the wrong thread...

 

[praline]

The leaks in the first post really need to be culled.

 

[Extrain]

The MK8 leak is most likely false considering the info he had about Mario Kart 8 is wrong as inside drift doesn't return at all.

Also the idea of "with Squirtle and Ivysaur cut, if we cut Snake and someone else, then add another character to Sal's list, we get the same leak as the MK8 leak" is very flawed logically.

Inside drifting is in, but like he said, it looks like it's being tweaked still.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2spvQjYyH4




"I'm not sure if/how sparks can indicate whether or not the drift is inside. Also, new footage from preview outlets such as GameXplain show bikes with a drift that have an incredibly inside appearance to them, so my bet is that they are returning. In this video Metal Mario uses one of those bikes."
*Based on this footage, it looks like the drift for the Mario Kart 8 bike is inside, but with a more outward appearance.*

Also, I'm not sure how you also did not notice a tweaked indrift on this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6TksRNqzDk
To me it adds up perfectly to what he said. It look's like a tweaked version of indrifting, but yes, it's still inside drifting. It's nowhere near as sharp and overpowering as it used to be, but it's sharper than most of the karts still. In the rainbow road video,at the 0:14 mark, you can clearly see a tweaked indrift indicated by his bike that's clearly drifting sharper and more inward than Rosalina's kart. Rosalina's even goes outward a bit at the beggining of her drift, while Metal Mario's does not (a little but, but not as much as her). This is the video people are discussing at the moment in regards to it returning.I'm not even sure if that bike in the first video is the correct one, more-so look at the second video I linked.
Take a look at this too. http://www.mariokartwii.com/f105/inside-drift-133682-post6004607.html#post6004607
Once again, it's tweaked inside drifting.
-More discussion that proves it's in the game-
"I lot of people seem to think inward drift will be the same as it was in MKW. even if it did return, with the removal of the stationary mini-turbo and possibly the wheelie, inward drift wont NEARLY be as good as it used to be. *This also indicates a tweak in indrifting based on the other above updates* yes, inward drift is absolutely best when cornering, but if drifting..."
"GameXplain confirmed in their Q&A that inward drift was not present as they were playing it, just some really tight outward drift. Can this be placed under a tweaked indrift (a tight outward drift) still? I'm not entirely sure.That's not 100% absolute though, as they didn't have a chance to go through all the vehicles, but a good bunch of them with their time with the game."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkslNWnOQ84#t=35
^ The folks at MKW says that it's not indrift, but more of a hybrid between outward and inward. This to me, still classifies as a tweak/change because it involves indrifting. " It's very tight, and angles to an inside drift but slides in an outward way."

In conclusion, I'm still going to view RosalinaX's leak as real.

 

[Kenith]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but I'm guessing that Greninja has effectively killed almost every full roster leak.

 

[LKnight]

Just wanted to put in my 2 cents on the direct.

First off, I'm in the camp that believes Ridley could still be playable. I always found it a lil' silly when people would say that Sakurai was trolling us, considering I didn't believe he spend a significant amount of time lurking about and seeing what's happening in the smash community. Surely this direct puts that into question? Between the ZSS joke, the nod to Palutena, the fact that Ridley still hasn't been shown off and I'm sure 99% expected Greninja to be Mewtwo in that trailer and that got totally flipped on our heads. To say Ridley is de-confirmed considering he still hasn't been shown off is premature IMO.

And for people saying it couldn't possibly be another form of Ridley, we can literally have 3 forms of Samus on the battlefield at the same time (Samus, ZSS and Dark Samus), so I hardly believe that argument is valid.

I also believe this does raise Isaac's chances considering he was the only Assist that could make the jump from assist to character, other than Mac, that would actually make sense, not saying it confirms him just saying it can't hurt his case.

About 'Slots'. Considering we've always assumed the most slots a franchise can have is 5 (Pokemon technically had 6), now that transformations are gone, wouldn't it be obvious for Sakurai to increase the amount of allocated slots per franchise? Just found it odd people were saying Ganon's chances have diminished now that Zelda has 4 full reps.

Last thing, in terms or leaks and rumours, I'm definitely going to find it difficult to buy into any text leak from now on, regardless of the new 'Pokemon from X/Y' leak going about. I doubt ANYONE would have successfully predicted the newcomers we've received so far, Sakurai's choices this time around have hardly been the normal and trying to predict anything else, to me, seems a bit pointless.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted note down some things I had noticed!



PS. MEGA LUCARIO OMGWTFYES

 

[8-peacock-8]

 

[Misti]

I believe you are posting in the wrong thread...

I speaking about the screenshots "leak ", we can see Final Destinaton and it looks great!

 

[Chimera]

Just wanted to put in my 2 cents on the direct.

First off, I'm in the camp that believes Ridley could still be playable. I always found it a lil' silly when people would say that Sakurai was trolling us, considering I didn't believe he spend a significant amount of time lurking about and seeing what's happening in the smash community. Surely this direct puts that into question? Between the ZSS joke, the nod to Palutena, the fact that Ridley still hasn't been shown off and I'm sure 99% expected Greninja to be Mewtwo in that trailer and that got totally flipped on our heads. To say Ridley is de-confirmed considering he still hasn't been shown off is premature IMO.

And for people saying it couldn't possibly be another form of Ridley, we can literally have 3 forms of Samus on the battlefield at the same time (Samus, ZSS and Dark Samus), so I hardly believe that argument is valid.

I also believe this does raise Isaac's chances considering he was the only Assist that could make the jump from assist to character, other than Mac, that would actually make sense, not saying it confirms him just saying it can't hurt his case.

About 'Slots'. Considering we've always assumed the most slots a franchise can have is 5 (Pokemon technically had 6), now that transformations are gone, wouldn't it be obvious for Sakurai to increase the amount of allocated slots per franchise? Just found it odd people were saying Ganon's chances have diminished now that Zelda has 4 full reps.

Last thing, in terms or leaks and rumours, I'm definitely going to find it difficult to buy into any text leak from now on, regardless of the new 'Pokemon from X/Y' leak going about. I doubt ANYONE would have successfully predicted the newcomers we've received so far, Sakurai's choices this time around have hardly been the normal and trying to predict anything else, to me, seems a bit pointless.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted note down some things I had noticed!



PS. MEGA LUCARIO OMGWTFYES

Ridley isn't in the game. I'm just trying to help you cope with the disappointment. I also need to point out to you that Dark Samus is NOT Samus Aran and is therefore not a form of Samus.In other news, in my opinion, every leak is dead save for the Palutena screen.The direct seemed to disconfirm the Mii for me, though if I see evidence otherwise, my opinion of the Sal leak could change.

 

[Muster]

I think the whole deal with Sal romano not mentioning Greninja was about not hitting alerting Nintendo the day before the direct.
Sakurai most likely intended Greninja as a surprise newcomer, so if somebody had leaked the exact pokemon it would be on the day before the direct then it'd probably set off some alarms at Nintendo. This way i guess it just lends him a little bit more credence than before. We'll just have to wait a few months at most at this point, so it really shouldn't matter.

 

[Chimera]

I think the whole deal with Sal romano not mentioning Greninja was about not hitting alerting Nintendo the day before the direct.
Sakurai most likely intended Greninja as a surprise newcomer, so if somebody had leaked the exact pokemon it would be on the day before the direct then it'd probably set off some alarms at Nintendo. This way i guess it just lends him a little bit more credence than before. We'll just have to wait a few months at most at this point, so it really shouldn't matter.

I'm not with you on this. There are like 70 pokemon in X and Y and everyone had been suspecting at least one would show up in some playable form. It's not impressive at all to say "One of 70 pokemon" But yeah, we'll find out soon enough.

 

[jwj442]

I would point out that, even if the Gematsu link is accurate and from the same person as the E3 link, he never mentioned Rosalina. So it is quite possible that there would be other characters beyond the leaked ones.

 

[BluePikmin11]

So much screenshots, Galaga as an AT, oh my goodness.
Could someone tell me about the the serebii-eye joe leak?

 

[TheMagicalKuja]

Two things I wanna point out

1. If Marshal gets confirmed as the Rhythm heaven rep, does that make Sal's leaker right or wrong?
2. Can I also get bold and predict that the Star Fox rep getting cut is not Wolf but Falco--because having the same dimensions as Fox and him being an alt costume like Male Wii Fit trainer would suit better?

 

[TheTuninator]

I would point out that, even if the Gematsu link is accurate and from the same person as the E3 link, he never mentioned Rosalina. So it is quite possible that there would be other characters beyond the leaked ones.

Yeah, that's a good point.

 

[Rikobomo]

Hm, I want to believe the Sal leak but I'm skeptical about the Choir Kids. While I think they'd be an awesome addition, do they really have moveset potential? Sakurai mentioned that it was somewhat hard to give Little Mac a varied moveset, and Choir Kids have even less to choose from. From what I've seen all they do is open their mouths...

 

[powerprotoman]

Hm, I want to believe the Sal leak but I'm skeptical about the Choir Kids. While I think they'd be an awesome addition, they really have no moveset potential.

wii fit trainer and her ability to summon the sun say hello

(what im getting at is moveset potential is not up for anyone outside of sakurai to decide)

 

[LKnight]

Ridley isn't in the game. I'm just trying to help you cope with the disappointment. I also need to point out to you that Dark Samus is NOT Samus Aran and is therefore not a form of Samus.In other news, in my opinion, every leak is dead save for the Palutena screen.The direct seemed to disconfirm the Mii for me, though if I see evidence otherwise, my opinion of the Sal leak could change.

I'm not personally a Ridley supporter, I would like to see him in the game, I believe he's more than deserving of being a playable character but I also believe if he would have been an option for Sakurai he would have already been in the smash series. His exclusion wouldn't be disappointing for me personally.

And yes, while Dark Samus isn't actually Samus the same argument could be made for 'Other M Ridley', who's a clone of the original.

 

[Luigi#1]

[Psst] The bottom screen's top is grey, but in the Leak it's white. Palutena leak should be deconfirmed, but people defend it with all of there might. Still, she'll be in the game.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Confirmed:
Greninja (Pokemon)
Little Mac (Punch Out!!)
Mega Man (Mega Man)
Rosalina & Luma (Super Mario)
Villager (Animal Crossing)
Wii Fit Trainer (Wii Fit)

Rumored:
Choir Men (Rhythm Heaven)
Chrom (Fire Emblem)
Mii (Wii Series)
Pac-Man (Pac-Man)
Palutena (Kid Icarus)
Shulk (Xenoblade)

This could very well be the newcomer list guys. If it is, then what do you guys think of it?

Hmmm....to be honest, it's actually not bad. My top 7 newcomers before the game was announced were

1.) Megaman
2.) Ridley
3.) Little Mac
4.) Palutena
5.) Any Animal Crossing Rep
6.) Takamaru
7.) Shulk

5 out of 7 ain't bad.... so I'd actually be pretty happy.... the lack of retro rep is weird though. Honestly, only three things would keep this from being a prefect newcomers list for me.

1.) Ridley - Most likely a boss hazard at this point but he had so much support and Metroid could really use a non-Samus rep.
2.) Another Donkey Kong rep - the series deserves it, and I would frankly be confused if both Dixie and K. Rool were overlooked.
3.) A retro rep - most likely Takamaru. I know the guy hasn't had a game since the NES era but he has received a lot of love since Brawl came out. It really felt like this was his time. Lip, the Duck Hunt Dog, or Mach Rider all would have also been good additions.

Add those three things to the new comers list and it would have been perfect (for me, at least.)

 

[Rikobomo]

wii fit trainer and her ability to summon the sun say hello

(what im getting at is moveset potential is not up for anyone outside of sakurai to decide)

Wii Fit Trainer's sun summon ability is just one move though and giving her a moveset based on acrobatics and fitness exercises speaks for itself. Choir Kids, on the other hand, look nowhere near as flexible (no pun intended) as Wii Fit Trainer. I'll be damned if somebody can think of a potential moveset for Choir Kids but so far everyone who's aware of the leak and is familiar with the Choir Kids have just gone, "Oh, Choir Kids, cool!".

EDIT: The Rhythm Heaven Wiki is telling me it's The Chorus Kids, not Choir kids. My bad.

 

[8-peacock-8]

So apparently Galaga SPRITES are an assist trophy. Um...yeah. (A LOT OF SCREENS ON GAF RIGHT NOW)

BEES!

 

[powerprotoman]

Wii Fit Trainer's sun summon ability is just one move though and giving her a moveset based on acrobatics and fitness exercises speaks for itself. Choir Kids, on the other hand, are nowhere near as flexible (no pun intended) as Wii Fit Trainer. I'll be damned if somebody can think of a potential moveset for Choir Kids but so far everyone who's aware of the leak and is familiar with the Choir Kids have just gone, "Oh, Choir Kids, cool!".

its almost like this isnt the place to make a moveset or something.

 

[Malcolm Belmont]

Wii Fit Trainer's sun summon ability is just one move though and giving her a moveset based on acrobatics and fitness exercises speaks for itself. Choir Kids, on the other hand, look nowhere near as flexible (no pun intended) as Wii Fit Trainer. I'll be damned if somebody can think of a potential moveset for Choir Kids but so far everyone who's aware of the leak and is familiar with the Choir Kids have just gone, "Oh, Choir Kids, cool!".

I would love to see what they would do for the Choir Kids

 

[Chimera]

[Psst] The bottom screen's top is grey, but in the Leak it's white. Palutena leak should be deconfirmed, but people defend it with all of there might. Still, she'll be in the game.

It's also possible that it used to be white, but changed to grey. Not really a good reason to disconfirm a leak that for all intents and purposes seems to be legitimate.

 

[powerprotoman]

It's also possible that it used to be white, but changed to grey. Not really a good reason to disconfirm a leak that for all intents and purposes seems to be legitimate.

to quote sakurai: "everything you see is subject to change"

 

[viewtifulduck82]

So apparently Galaga SPRITES are an assist trophy. Um...yeah. (A LOT OF LEAKED SCREENS ON GAF RIGHT NOW)

BEES!

they aren't leaked, its a press kit that was given out.

 

[Miffa]

can someone tell more more about this choir kids everyone is talking about iv'e never heard of them.

 

[8-peacock-8]

they aren't leaked, its a press kit that was given out.

Ah ok. Thank you for telling me. lol