SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[BluePikmin11]

Ms. Pac-Man as an AT is just as questionable as having Dr. Mario or Roy as an AT.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

I would prefer that Takamaru takes that DW vibe in his moveset than to have a Dynasty Warrior playable.

Also anyone discussed this?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68837559

I find it suspicious that they'd need to say "Mew is a Pokeball," since Mew has had that role since at least Melee.

Also, the "DK newcomer" thing is suspicious.

Aside from that, too much detail. I'm guessing fake.

 

[Rockaphin]

I would prefer that Takamaru takes that DW vibe in his moveset than to have a Dynasty Warrior playable.

Also anyone discussed this?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/633202-super-smash-bros-for-wii-u/68837559

Any time I see the word, "legitimate" in a leak. I think it's fake. But anyway, the leak seems like one of those generic "safe" leaks. Not saying those are impossible or anything.

 

[BKupa666]

and both times other characters took priority over his own sans Kirby (not to mention Marth and Roy made it into melee...) so I not sure what your point is.

[COLLAPSE="Off-Topic"]Anyone from Fire Emblem in Smash 64, I meant. The non-clone Melee newcomers had priority, yes, but his own character still had priority over others who ought to have been higher up on an objective priority list, namely Diddy and Wario, and Ganondorf too, considering he wasn't an option until clones were chosen. Granted, Melee was the Smash game where the least amount of Sakurai bias was present in the actual game (aside from maybe the sizable number of trophies), but the game was also rushed, and he's openly stated he'll "probably never make another game like Melee."[/COLLAPSE]

That "leak" falls into the same sin that the Translator and Betternet "leaks" do in that he includes precise information except for one little unknown tidbit (a "DK newcomer" in this case). And speaking of "DK newcomers," I think it's a pretty clear sign of a fake when a "leaker" has to specify that Dixie "plays NOTHING like Diddy," considering how commonly suggested the possibility of her playing like him is on Smash forums.

 

[N. Onymous]

If Pac-Man is in the game and getting an assist at all, it's probably going to be the ghosts (hopefully using their post-Party designs, I actually sorta like those). I don't see what the missus could possibly do that would make her unique as an assist.

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

Ok, first off I know a lot of you won't believe me here as clearly you have no reason to. Let me just say that I have it on good faith that the information I have received from my source is legitimate. I don't know everything there is to know, but I know a fair amount.

There's some pretty juicy stuff here.
Mewtwo is back.
No one from Brawl has been cut yet, and there are no plans to cut anyone. Although some characters are considered "lower priority" so if time becomes an issue we may see one or two cuts.
Leading on from that, Pokemon Trainer is the same as he was in Brawl.
Pac Man is playable. Ms Pac Man is an Assist Trophy.
Palutena is also playable.
Ridley is also playable. His size in the game was described as "appropriate". Whatever that means.
Dixie Kong is playable, and plays NOTHING like Diddy.
Mew is a pokeball.
Isaac will return, but again as an Assist Trophy.
Mii's are in, there is a degree of customization to them although
Takamaru will serve as the "retro" themed character for this game.

There are also several characters that are still being considered to add "late in development", one was Toad, another was another DK character (I wasn't told who) although that clearly means that both could make it in, or neither.

Several characters will be getting alternate costumes, this includes both Dr Mario and Dr Luigi.

If I receive any more information then I'll let you all know. I must stress that these aren't the only new characters, but that was all I could get out of my source for now.

• Aware of size issues we associate with Ridley.
• Aware of suspicion that Dixie would be a Diddy clone.
• Makes no attempt to tell us what the Ms. Pac-Man trophy would even do.
• Why is Mew the only Poke Ball summon he can confirm? Is it the only one he saw in gameplay? Unlikely, since Mew traditionally has a one-in-hundreds chance of appearing, and you'd probably see all the other Poke Ball summons a dozen times over before you see Mew once.
• Does not make any attempt to elaborate on Mii customization. Apparently not creative enough to make it up for the sake of a rumor.

Verdict: Another Smash community member, probably a lurker here since I doubt anyone who posts here would be so lacking in integrity to start such a lazy rumor.

 

[Silvera]

@ N N. Onymous - if that's the case, then she's better off being Pac Man's alternative.

 

[Protom]

Well, year of luigi is officialy over. Commence influx of "____ is playable to commemarate the yeat of ___" rumors.

 

[Z25]

If true that's a pretty good selection but I'm sure there's some holes to pick in it. And don't just say a roster is safe, people. find some hard stuff to debunk it.

I was actually going to say there was no need to mention mew, but that was brought up already. Anyway calling it know, if there is no veteran tomorrow or next week, shadow the hedgehog is being revealed in the next direct, most likely in early April.

 

[iam8bit]

Yeah, there's nothing really interesting in that "leak", other than Ms. Pacman being an Assist, which would be kinda cool IMO. But I agree that the ghosts would be a better choice... unless they are part of Pacman's moveset or something.

Eh.

Verdict: Another Smash community member, probably a lurker here since I doubt anyone who posts here would be so lacking in integrity to start such a lazy rumor.

That's a pretty perfect analysis. I love it when these "leakers" so obviously show that they're part of the fandom with obvious references like Ridley, singling out Isaac or giving lengthy explanations about Mewtwo and so on.

You don't like Ike?

OH NO YOU DIDN'T! Ike is the manliest Brawler, leave him alone!

 

[---]

Also, this is off-topic. Let's move this conversation elsewhere if it is to continue.

Not telling people to go the Development thread to discuss that?

Verdict: Another Smash community member, probably a lurker here since I doubt anyone who posts here would be so lacking in integrity to start such a lazy rumor.

Well at least they're obeying the rules of the thread by taking it to another site.

 

[-VictoriaJustice-]

The April Direct...

Fire Emblem...

Chrom...

The tears will be absolutely delicious.

c:

 

[BluePikmin11]

The April Direct...

Fire Emblem...

Chrom...

The tears will be absolutely delicious.

c:

I would prefer if the tears were from Kawashima's reveal.

 

[GreenReaperGod]

Ok, first off I know a lot of you won't believe me here as clearly you have no reason to. Let me just say that I have it on good faith that the information I have received from my source is legitimate. I don't know everything there is to know, but I know a fair amount.

There's some pretty juicy stuff here.
Mewtwo is back.
No one from Brawl has been cut yet, and there are no plans to cut anyone. Although some characters are considered "lower priority" so if time becomes an issue we may see one or two cuts.
Leading on from that, Pokemon Trainer is the same as he was in Brawl.
Pac Man is playable. Ms Pac Man is an Assist Trophy.
Palutena is also playable.
Ridley is also playable. His size in the game was described as "appropriate". Whatever that means.
Dixie Kong is playable, and plays NOTHING like Diddy.
Mew is a pokeball.
Isaac will return, but again as an Assist Trophy.
Mii's are in, there is a degree of customization to them although
Takamaru will serve as the "retro" themed character for this game.

There are also several characters that are still being considered to add "late in development", one was Toad, another was another DK character (I wasn't told who) although that clearly means that both could make it in, or neither.

Several characters will be getting alternate costumes, this includes both Dr Mario and Dr Luigi.

If I receive any more information then I'll let you all know. I must stress that these aren't the only new characters, but that was all I could get out of my source for now.

LeakSins
No Leak is without a sin

1. Uses "I know you won't believe me"
2. Oh, did I forget to mention that my source is legit?
3. He knows that Ms Pac Man is an assist trophy, but has no idea what she does.
4. Ridley isn't too big, guyz
5. He knows that Dixie plays nothing like Diddy, but doesn't describe any of her moves, not even a vague "she uses her hair"
6. His source is willing to leak lots of info but won't tell who this additional DK rep is
7. Lists 2 examples of alt costumes but not all of the "several" that he knows
8. "If I recieve any more info I'll let you all know" translated to English means "If I get bored I'll make more bull**** up"

Total Sins: 8
Sentence: Gamefaqs LEAK HELL

 

[Z25]

I would prefer if the tears were from Kawashima's reveal.

Or shadow's as he was leaked , no one would see him coming and he would stop leakers in their tracks.

 

[-VictoriaJustice-]

Why are we all talking about these other newcomers? We all know who is gonna be in this.

Ghirawaluridley for Smash!

 

[praline]

The April Direct...

Fire Emblem...

Chrom...

The tears will be absolutely delicious.

c:

I'd rather Micaiah gets confirmed. n__n

 

[Johnny Wellens]

I think some of you guys are too strict with what you consider a leak worth writing off. Not that I think you're wrong in informally dismissing some of these, but some of the reasoning sounds crazy to me:

1) You write someone off if they are too vague or not vague enough
2) You write someone off if they provide information that you deem only a SMASH forum member would provide like the size of Ridley or that Dixie will play differently. Despite the fact that Ridley's size has always been the number 1 source of grief when it came to defending him being playable. Also isn't it possible that someone who does have an opportunity to receive this information is also a member of this or other forums and has a list of questions they'd want to ask?
3) He says "I know you won't believe me." He'd be right to include that if he wanted to, just because you personally think it's stupid doesn't make it so. Hell I might even put that if I posted a real true leak, just to piss some of you off because it's ridiculous that you write someone off because of a phase you don't appreciate.

I agree with a lot of your assumption about the validity of the leaks, but you're all off track and too jaded at this point. Take every leak with a grain of salt, don't write people off for such frivolous reasons.

 

[GreenReaperGod]

I think some of you guys are too strict with what you consider a leak worth writing off. Not that I think you're wrong in informally dismissing some of these, but some of the reasoning sounds crazy to me:

1) You write someone off if they are too vague or not vague enough
2) You write someone off if they provide information that you deem only a SMASH forum member would provide like the size of Ridley or that Dixie will play differently. Despite the fact that Ridley's size has always been the number 1 source of grief when it came to defending him being playable. Also isn't it possible that someone who does have an opportunity to receive this information is also a member of this or other forums and has a list of questions they'd want to ask?
3) He says "I know you won't believe me." He'd be right to include that if he wanted to, just because you personally think it's stupid doesn't make it so. Hell I might even put that if I posted a real true leak, just to piss some of you off because it's ridiculous that you write someone off because of a phase you don't appreciate.

I agree with a lot of your assumption about the validity of the leaks, but you're all off track and too jaded at this point. Take every leak with a grain of salt, don't write people off for such frivolous reasons.

CinemaSins, which is what I was basing that post off of, usually marks a movie down for using cliches. "I know you won't believe me" is definitely a leak cliche.

And I wasn't discarding the leak. I'll probably end up adding it to the Killable By post in the next couple of days.
(woo 500th post btw)

 

[Louie G.]

So anyone think we'll get something tomorrow?

 

[Redmagpie93]

[collapse="I'll grab the defibrillator."]

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isn't that just a high-res screenshot lifted from the Wii game? Presumably running on Dolphin? Just a guess though I'd go ape**** if this was true, Shulk/Xenoblade is my most wanted out of those franchises I expect to see getting rep this time around (unrelated but would love to have his Final guest the party members so we get to hear the glorious "It's Reyn time!! " )

 

[Snagrio]

So anyone think we'll get something tomorrow?

A screenshot. I know nobody will believe me though.

On a serious note, any current leaks on the list depending on certain characters to be revealed next?

 

[IonProductionz]

The lack of Prof. Layton in these leaks are starting to worry me...
Leakers; put more Prof. Layton in your leaks so that I can condemn you for adding characters that are too good to be true. D:

 

[Mdilly99]

Hmm.. Is it me or does todays pic look photoshopped? Something about diddys right arm and bowsers head looks off.... Or it could just be me.

 

[BluePikmin11]

The lack of Prof. Layton in these leaks are starting to worry me...
Leakers; put more Prof. Layton in your leaks so that I can condemn you for adding characters that are too good to be true. D:

Then they are unfortunately going to make more fake leaks involving him and make our jobs as debunkers hard.

 

[SuperMii3D]

The lack of Prof. Layton in these leaks are starting to worry me...
Leakers; put more Prof. Layton in your leaks so that I can condemn you for adding characters that are too good to be true. D:

The lack of Layton is probably because of the lack of Layton in Smash 4

 

[Zynux]

Thank goodness no Yoshi reveal. Another leak dead. Hint for prospect leak creators: be as vague as possible and don't gamble on dates. Or better yet, don't create leaks at all since its highly deceptive behavior and generally makes me sad on the inside

Anyways. with the Phantom discussion a while back, one thing that always made me believe that it most likely wouldn't be Zelda's new move in place of Sheik is that I personally can't see Sakurai destroying what made Zelda unique in the first place: being able to transform and change into a completely different character in the midst of battle. If Sakurai is truly aiming for uniqueness this time around, it seems like a big over site to me. To be fair, I'm trying argue just logic of scenario, or what I personally feel would "make the most sense". After all, cutting Mewtwo in brawl doesn't make sense yet here we are, so I won't completely rule out the possibility of Phantom being a new move.

With that said, Toon Zelda being in a Phantom armor and having a moveset based off that would actually be pretty interesting and make me less pessimistic about her.

I think some of you guys are too strict with what you consider a leak worth writing off. Not that I think you're wrong in informally dismissing some of these, but some of the reasoning sounds crazy to me:

1) You write someone off if they are too vague or not vague enough
2) You write someone off if they provide information that you deem only a SMASH forum member would provide like the size of Ridley or that Dixie will play differently. Despite the fact that Ridley's size has always been the number 1 source of grief when it came to defending him being playable. Also isn't it possible that someone who does have an opportunity to receive this information is also a member of this or other forums and has a list of questions they'd want to ask?
3) He says "I know you won't believe me." He'd be right to include that if he wanted to, just because you personally think it's stupid doesn't make it so. Hell I might even put that if I posted a real true leak, just to piss some of you off because it's ridiculous that you write someone off because of a phase you don't appreciate.

I agree with a lot of your assumption about the validity of the leaks, but you're all off track and too jaded at this point. Take every leak with a grain of salt, don't write people off for such frivolous reasons.

It is true that we are harsh on leaks, but I don't believe we write them off completely. With that said, the main problem with a lot of these leaks is that they do follow many cliches to the tee, which makes me believe they're part of the fandom toying with peoples emotions. Legit leaks before usually don't follow this logic pattern; they dump their **** and leave, and aren't concerned at all with explaining why so-and-so did this and aren't referencing fandom discussions because more often then not the person leaking isn't in the position to know such details or isn't part of the fandom to even know what discussions to reference when they leak.

Hmm.. Is it me or does todays pic look photoshopped? Something about diddys right arm and bowsers head looks off.... Or it could just be me.

Smash 4 overall needs some tweaking in the graphical department...that's the price we pay for seeing models so up close from a snapshot, as more then half that stuff you wouldn't even notice during actual gameplay.

Anyways, the legit Melee and Brawl leaks: were these all leaked through Gamefaqs? Does Gamefaqs have a history of sometimes getting legit weaks? Because that's pretty depressing otherwise: gamefaqs has so much garbage leaks to shift through.

 

[SkywardStriker16]

The lack of Prof. Layton in these leaks are starting to worry me...
Leakers; put more Prof. Layton in your leaks so that I can condemn you for adding characters that are too good to be true. D:

In my opinion, Layton has at least twenty times more of a chance of getting in than Goku. Any leak with him would probably have originated from either GameFAQs or Miiverse

 

[SuperMii3D]

In my opinion, Layton has at least twenty times more of a chance of getting in than Goku. Any leak with him would probably have originated from either GameFAQs or Miiverse

20 x 0 = 0

 

[SmasherCat]

In my opinion, Layton has at least twenty times more of a chance of getting in than Goku. Any leak with him would probably have originated from either GameFAQs or Miiverse

I'd rather see Luffy get in rather than Goku
He'd have a more unique move-set

 

[SuperMii3D]

I'd rather see Luffy get in rather than Goku
He'd have a more unique move-set

There would be much strechyness

 

[majorasmaskfan]

There would be much strechyness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

 

[SmasherCat]

Think of the disjointed attacks!

If that were to happen, it would be my main for life

 

[SuperMii3D]

Think of the disjointed attacks!

If that were to happen, it would be my main for life

Luffy Vs Diddy. MAKE I HAPPEN NINTENDO

 

[SmasherCat]

Yeah... Diddy's got nothing on those arms. Realistically, there's no chance for Goku or Luffy. It would be cool...Layton is at least Nintendo affiliated.

 

[BKupa666]

I think some of you guys are too strict with what you consider a leak worth writing off. Not that I think you're wrong in informally dismissing some of these, but some of the reasoning sounds crazy to me:

1) You write someone off if they are too vague or not vague enough
2) You write someone off if they provide information that you deem only a SMASH forum member would provide like the size of Ridley or that Dixie will play differently. Despite the fact that Ridley's size has always been the number 1 source of grief when it came to defending him being playable. Also isn't it possible that someone who does have an opportunity to receive this information is also a member of this or other forums and has a list of questions they'd want to ask?
3) He says "I know you won't believe me." He'd be right to include that if he wanted to, just because you personally think it's stupid doesn't make it so. Hell I might even put that if I posted a real true leak, just to piss some of you off because it's ridiculous that you write someone off because of a phase you don't appreciate.

I agree with a lot of your assumption about the validity of the leaks, but you're all off track and too jaded at this point. Take every leak with a grain of salt, don't write people off for such frivolous reasons.

I think there's a line you have to tread when analyzing leaks and "leaks." I think some do it in this thread better than others. Sometimes, parts of a "leak" jump out as really blatantly false and people call them as such (such as "Pokemon Trainer was changed...but how he was changed, I'll never tell! Muah ha ha!"). Other times, it's "Bawwww, roster's too safe, obviously fake, next leak please!" (This, of course, is code for: contains Ridley and/or K. Rool instead of my personal favorites).

As far as the recurring phrases like "grain of salt" and whatnot go, I don't think those are too indicative of their status one way or the other. But in this case, the fact that he references specific terms and topics of discussion related to forum speculation is enough to give me significant doubt.

 

[SmasherCat]

I think there's a line you have to tread when analyzing leaks and "leaks." I think some do it in this thread better than others. Sometimes, parts of a "leak" jump out as really blatantly false and people call them as such (such as "Pokemon Trainer was changed...but how he was changed, I'll never tell! Muah ha ha!"). Other times, it's "Bawwww, roster's too safe, obviously fake, next leak please!" (This, of course, is code for: contains Ridley and/or K. Rool instead of my personal favorites).

As far as the recurring phrases like "grain of salt" and whatnot go, I don't think those are too indicative of their status one way or the other. But in this case, the fact that he references specific terms and topics of discussion related to forum speculation is enough to give me significant doubt.

It's true, most of the Ridley/K. Rool leaks are created because they make sense. If you judge a leak as false right away because it has something completely obvious, then you're (possibly) judging wrongly because it makes TOO much sense. That's the wrong way to look at it.

 

[Boston Sean]

Praying for Yoshi tonight
#YearOfTheYosh

 

[BKupa666]

It's true, most of the Ridley/K. Rool leaks are created because they make sense. If you judge a leak as false right away because it has something completely obvious, then you're (possibly) judging wrongly because it makes TOO much sense. That's the wrong way to look at it.

The "TOO SAFE" example specifically targets those two characters alone, and is thus an example of bad "leak" analysis.

It's true that, if a "leaked final roster" is basically a hodgepodge of whatever character threads are on the front page of the Character Discussion subforum, it's probably false. That being said, people don't whine about "TOO SAFE" when it's Palutena in the roster, when it's Mewtwo in the roster, when it's Chrom, Dixie, Pacman, Mii, Takamaru, or Shock Character in the roster. "TOO SAFE" is reserved entirely for Ridley and/or K. Rool, because people hate the idea that, yes, people care about those two more than their own precious "dark horses." Keep a lookout next time you see the phrase come up; more likely than not, it'll be in relation to a roster with one or both of the two reptilian villains.

 

[Eight Melodies]

#DecadeofCaptainFalcon les go