SSB4 Rumours and Leaks

[DaDavid]

Any 'leaked" pics that have a Wii U or 3DS border are automatically dismissed by me. I don't think Sakurai has a bunch of pics lined up just waiting to be shown like that. He probably sets it up that day or the day before.

Exactly. Or his little hiatus would've been nonexistent.

 

[UltimateCyborgOverlord]

Any 'leaked" pics that have a Wii U or 3DS border are automatically dismissed by me. I don't think Sakurai has a bunch of pics lined up just waiting to be shown like that. He probably sets it up that day or the day before.

And even if he did, I don't know how they'd get a hold of them. It's far more believable that somebody in the house would use their phone to snap a picture of the 3DS version when no one is looking than it is to say "Say, I went on Sakurai's computer and took some of the image files he has lined up for pic of the day".

 

[Snagrio]

The fact that many leaker wannabes are cashing in on the Palutena leak (which is pretty much real unless proven otherwise by now) is kinda funny. It's technically the only 99.9% legit leak so everyone is throwing it in along with whatever else they say in an attempt to make theirs look more believable.

Quite ironic when you think about it. Not to mention it shows the lack of creativity with all these recent rumours...

 

[Pazzo.]

The fact that many leaker wannabes are cashing in on the Palutena leak (which is pretty much real unless proven otherwise by now) is kinda funny. It's technically the only 99.9% legit leak so everyone is throwing it in along with whatever else they say in an attempt to make theirs look more believable.

Quite ironic when you think about it. Not to mention it shows the lack of creativity with all these recent rumours...

Everyone could point out the inconsistent Mario model too...

 

[KCCHIEFS27]

Help a lazy brother out.

Have there been any new (worthwhile) leaks in the past 24 hours or so?

 

[Substitution]

Help a lazy brother out.

Have there been any new (worthwhile) leaks in the past 24 hours or so?

Not really.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Considering there is no evidence to point towards the Palutena leak being fake, I think there is a fairly good chance it's real.

 

[Espio264]

I've loved Eevee ever since the very beginning, but Smash is about adding iconic Nintendo characters to battle each other. Eevee fits the bill as an iconic Pokemon, sure, but to have it transform into its latest three incarnations doesn't seem like something the team would think up. I would hope that either Flareon or Jolteon would be thrown in, because they share in the Eevee legend factor (along with Vaporeon) from the very beginning. And I would think that either Espeon or Umbreon might get some love, because let's face it, they're the two most bad ass Eevee evolutions. This new Fairy Eevee only seems to be thrown around so much because it's shiny and new. Give me Jiggs and a Flareon/Umbreon/Leafeon or something and I'd be satisfied.

That all being said, I think Eevee would work much better as a Pokeball. It comes out and immediately transforms into one of the 8 evolutions and then wreaks havoc. It's a better way to include it in the game without giving up Ridley or Isaac's spot to Fairyon.

But to make my point relevant to the leaks, the Eevee trainer and the ones that claim there's a Hyrule Goddess trio only seem to bring these up to add credibility. These are new and creative ideas that most other people didn't think about before, except the development team. They're just rehashed versions of PT and Zelda/Sheik. Any crazy gimmicky characters like that make me immediately suspicious. Same with Diddy/Dixie pairings. Once somebody comes up with an original way to tie two or more characters together, then I'll want to believe, but now I'll expect Waluigi, Tingle and Krystal as a tag team before I'll believe any of these leaks that seem to be trying a little too hard to tell us what we want to hear and then throw us a "curveball" to separate themselves from the next leaker.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Considering there is no evidence to point towards the Palutena leak being fake, I think there is a fairly good chance it's real.

Yea I know

• The outlining of the 3ds version is correct
• The backgrounds matches none of previous battlefield 3ds pictures
• Mario's gloves and buttons match the mario body of today and if the past was the same the. This would have ben fake
• The palutena model is not transfered from brawl nor kid Icarus upspring looks different from both
• A new kid Icarus stage picture with the palutena statue the leak model and that look identical

 

[Z25]

I would also like to point out the blatantly fake super smash bros universe rumor, it had almost every character(including sable) so they may be taking inspiration from that or it may be a coincidence. We shall see in due time.

 

[Dinoman96]

Considering there is no evidence to point towards the Palutena leak being fake, I think there is a fairly good chance it's real.

I'm not ready to call it fake yet, but one thing I find suspicious is the difference in design of Palutena's staff between the leaked image and the statue. In the leaked image, the top of her staff has the Brawl design, while the statue on the Skyworld stage, the top of her staff has the Uprising design. Just to post a comparison again:

 

[Kamikazek]

I'm not sure why people expect Lip or Takamaru before him, they all seem to have an even chance as the/a obscure Japanese character.

Despite having only one game Takumaru really isn't obscure in Japan (Sables is obscure even over there as far as I'm aware) and he's certainly more well known than Sables in the west despite being pretty obscure over here. Also, Nintendo Land. And Sakurai has shown interest in him, back when he answered fan mail for Melee I believe.

Sakurai is apparently fond of Lip(apparently? I've heard people say this but never a source), and she got a reference in Melee. Sure it was just an item but that's more than any other obscure games got in Melee other than Ice Climbers and I guess the super scope.

Honestly the main thing Sables has going for him is he's SO incredibly obscure he would come clear out of nowhere for most people and Sakurai likes to do that sometimes. Also he has great moveset potential but I say that about any of these guys.

But I'd be stoked to see any of the three show up. Wouldn't say any of them are horribly likely though.

 

[Mysteltainn]

I'm not ready to call it fake yet, but one thing I find suspicious is the difference in design of Palutena's staff between the leaked image and the statue. In the leaked image, the top of her staff has the Brawl design, while the statue on the Skyworld stage, the top of her staff has the Uprising design. Just to post a comparison again:

A lot of people hold the belief that they may have chose to shorten the staff for her actual model so that it's not cumbersome or awkward looking in combat, which could be very possible. Fake or not though, that's the only leak I can honestly say has moved me so far, I think it's real, personally.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I'm not ready to call it fake yet, but one thing I find suspicious is the difference in design of Palutena's staff between the leaked image and the statue. In the leaked image, the top of her staff has the Brawl design, while the statue on the Skyworld stage, the top of her staff has the Uprising design. Just to post a comparison again:

I recall talking about this earlier, but the pattern aside, I've noticed the staff is a bit more rounder in the leak than Brawl's model.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

I'm not ready to call it fake yet, but one thing I find suspicious is the difference in design of Palutena's staff between the leaked image and the statue. In the leaked image, the top of her staff has the Brawl design, while the statue on the Skyworld stage, the top of her staff has the Uprising design. Just to post a comparison again:

Well yea but it's still enough

The upspring statue staff looks simular to the ssb4 statue staff as well

 

[Snagrio]

There is going to be differences between a statue in the background and a playable character. The fact that the faces are practically identical should be enough among other things.

Plus the leak is on 3DS while the PotD is on Wii U so there's also graphical differences to factor in as well.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The fact that it shares characteristics from two separate models only adds to the fact that it's a unique model if you ask me.

 

[Substitution]

We're back to doing this? Again?

 

[Pega-pony Princess]

We're back to doing this? Again?

At least its actually an on-topic subject unlike those *ahem* spongebob gifs, as amusing as they were.

 

[Snagrio]

We're back to doing this? Again?

There's nothing else noteworthy to discuss, so why not? Plus it's staying on topic at least.

Ninja'd

 

[Espio264]

Something about the way her fingers wrap around the staff, and the placement of her thumb make me believe that the leak matches the statue.

Plus, she's a darn pretty lady.

 

[Dinoman96]

I'm not sure how people can easily compare the faces. The statue's face is undetailed to the point where I can't make anything out of it.

 

[Banjodorf]

Please keep in mind Wii U designs and 3DS designs will not use exactly the same details every time because of slight differences in model as well as graphical limits.

Even if that's not an issue, also expect a playable model to have more details than a stationary background element that's quite literally a stone statue.

 

[Muster]

I believe the statue is based off of the skyworld statue of Palutena from uprising, so it's most likely going to have differences from her model, like the ROB statue on port town.

(technically, everyone is a trophy anyway, so discrepancies in sizes of weapons/acessories could just be chalked up to that.)

Memorable? Really? You think in a few days anyone will really remember this?

Going to make a point of remembering his post just to spite you now.

 

[Espio264]

I'm not sure how people can easily compare the faces. The statue's face is undetailed to the point where I can't make anything out of it.

There is enough information in the statue's face to tell that her features are a little broader and eyes a little wider than her Brawl and Uprising counterparts. And she seems to be smiling with a certain amount of detail that matches between the leak and the statue.

That's my take at least.

COMPLETELY UNRELATED:

Was there a leak that stated that the kid from Pokemon Snap would be an assist trophy in the Zero One? Or was that most likely just somebody's fan idea for AT's?

 

[Spire]

A lot of people hold the belief that they may have chose to shorten the staff for her actual model so that it's not cumbersome or awkward looking in combat, which could be very possible. Fake or not though, that's the only leak I can honestly say has moved me so far, I think it's real, personally.

To support this, Link's Master Sword is smaller than its incarnations in The Legend of Zelda. Considering Brawl/SSB4 Link is based on TP Link (don't argue this), look at TP Link's Master Sword. It's nearly twice as long and doubly wide. The Smashter Sword is very frail in comparison. Fortunately, for aesthetic's sake, its splash effects add some umph to its flimsy stature.

 

[Banjodorf]

We really need some new information on this. The circles are starting to have circles. Perhaps it's inevitable, but man.

Even more seriously though, the Master Sword comparison is perfect.

 

[Reila]

the kid from Pokemon Snap

Todd Snap

 

[FlareHabanero]

We're back to doing this? Again?

Eventually, people will find a hole with this whole Palutena leak.

Someday.

 

[Substitution]

Eventually, people will find a hole with this whole Palutena leak.

Someday.

I've tried twice. The only which kinda got somewhere was referring to her inconsistent model.

All I can say is, good luck.

 

[SuperMii3D]

We're back to doing this? Again?

Its the only leak that has had us on our toes for weeks.

At least its actually an on-topic subject unlike those *ahem* spongebob gifs, as amusing as they were.

Thanks

 

[Dinoman96]

It wasn't the length of the stick part I was talking about, it was the top part.

Look at this comparison one more time:

Even ignoring the curved parts, the leak is also noticeably missing some features of the Uprising design. For example, her staff in Uprising has a red gem that is present on it, but isn't seen in the leaked images. It's not like they took the Uprising staff and made it smaller, it looks like they just simply took it right off the Brawl design (Though as SNU pointed out, the curved parts do look a little smoother I guess).

I just find it strange that Palutena in her playable form would be using an out-of-date design while a background element of her is using her most current appearence. It be like if, for some strange reason, Sakurai decided to make Mario look like what he did in Melee, and then have a stage in Peach's Castle where one of the portraits is a original picture of Mario in his Brawl/Wii U/3DS (Basically the same besides color) form.

Indeed.

 

[Banjodorf]

My assumption is that the stage was probably finalized first, and that the details were ironed out before the playable character model was finished. Perhaps a few details still have to be added to the model.

I'm really not sure why I'm bothering though, considering we're just going to be talking in circles until her reveal anyway. Sigh.

 

[IsmaR]

Eventually, people will find a hole with this whole Palutena leak.

Someday.

Right after we find Ridley in a hole.

I didn't think I'd miss the fake until proven true mindset from pre-Brawl days, but this real until proven fake one is just depressing, to say the least..

 

[DraginHikari]

The biggest issue with the Palutena leak is that it's hard to complete deconfirm it as much as it is to confirm it. Most leaks we deconfirm here are a result of recycled pictures, minor altered versions of character models that already exist, or has extreme graphical flaws from poor modification jobs. At this point very little has been found in that regards as the models and most things about it would either have to have been drastically modified or someone had a lot of time on their hands. Given that circumstance is why people have been much more accepting of this being real... either that or it's most elaborate fake screenshot we've seen even since it's initial discovery.

 

[Nintendotard]

Eventually, people will find a hole with this whole Palutena leak.

Someday.

Yeah, when its proven real.

 

[DangerDamage]

It wasn't the length of the stick part I was talking about, it was the top part.

Look at this comparison one more time:

Even ignoring the curved parts, the leak is also noticeably missing some features of the Uprising design. For example, her staff in Uprising has a red gem that is present on it, but isn't seen in the leaked images. It's not like they took the Uprising staff and made it smaller, it looks like they just simply took it right off the Brawl design (Though as SNU pointed out, the curved parts do look a little smoother I guess).

I just find it strange that Palutena in her playable form would be using an out-of-date design while a background element of her is using her most current appearence. It be like if, for some strange reason, Sakurai decided to make Mario look like what he did in Melee, and then have a stage in Peach's Castle where one of the portraits is a original picture of Mario in his Brawl/Wii U/3DS (Basically the same besides color) form.

Indeed.

I feel like I'm missing the part where there's a red gem in the staff, hell the only differences I see between the staffs is the curves and there's like symbols engraved onto one.

 

[Spire]

Consider the process by which the 3DS version of Palutena might have been created:

1. Team looked at Palutena's model from Uprising.
2. Created a new HD model for Smash Wii U.
3. Downgraded that model, trimming some details in both mesh and texture for 3DS, or
4. Imported her Uprising model and made some alterations, just as Link's 3DS model is closer to his TP/Brawl model than it is to his Wii U model.

Pretty sure—despite not being confirmed—that all characters are made for Wii U first, then ported to 3DS. The team obviously found trouble in translating Link's too-realistic hair, so they just imported and altered his Brawl model.

 

[Welshy91]

Not going to go on the propaganda train though.
I'll just wait patiently and see what happens.
Normally "leakers" would go for the popular characters that are on Smashboards here.
But this one's pretty different. He is either telling the truth or just a big fat Nintendo enthusiast.

OR he's YOU.

 

[TrainerLITTLER]

Pic of the day. The Home-run Bat in this game is black! And it's so powerful that your eyes might bug out!!

For those who haven't seen it yet.