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[Mewtwo the king of bad]

Possibly. Too soon to tell at this point. His match up against ZSS and Bayonetta seem unfavorable IMO. People are forgetting how good Abadango is. He has made Pac Man and Wario look like top tiers in the past. Had ZeRo attended Pound he would have shown that Mewtwo is not op in the slightest.

Why didn't Zero go to pound?

 

[Kabutops]

Why didn't Zero go to pound?

I have no idea. I'm guessing it's a combination of sheik getting nerfed and him trying to figure out Bayonetta's weakness.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

I have no idea. I'm guessing it's a combination of sheik getting nerfed and him trying to figure out Bayonetta's weakness.

I swear if he makes a video saying he's picking up M2 I might jump over a rainbow

 

[BlazGreen]

Mewtwo doesn't get stomped by the top tiers like you would think.

is either even or slightly in M2s favour since her kill options are so limited now. This is one of our few MUs where living past 150% is actually possible and Mewtwo with high rage is a rare but terrifying beast. Her reduced weight only makes it easier for her to die from U-throw, F-air or any other kill move M2 has. Sure her frame data is far superior to ours and needles can still force our approach but her lack of kill options is a major weakness that Mewtwo can punish.

is also even or slightly in our favour. Mewtwo gets a free charged Shadow Ball if Cloud decided to charge limit and I feel that SB is very dangerous in this MU as it can punish Cloud both on and off the stage. speaking of off stage, Cloud without limit is pretty bad at recovering, we all know this, but Mewtwo especially can massacre him when he's trying to get back. The Mew² vs M2K match is a decent example of this although it could be argued M2K had no idea what he was up against. Browny made a good post about this MU a while back but sadly I can't find it.

is bad for most characters but Mewtwo doesn't get curb stomped. I've only ever seen this MU at a high level once so it's difficult for me to say how good or bad it actually is but Abadango was able to take two sets over one of Japan's better Bayos so I'm willing to say it can't be much worse than -1

is Another even MU as Mewtwo can efficiently get rid of Luma thanks to F-air's crazy knockback. Rosa is barely heavier than Mewtwo so she'll fall victim to U-throw earlier than almost anyone else and her tall frame makes her easier to combo. If Luma is around then M2's approach will be much harder and he'll die very early if he doesn't respect it. He also has to be wary of her U-air as it kills very early and exploits Mewtwo's poor landing.

Doable but in Diddy's favour as his neutral is so deadly and banana confirms kill quite early. Surprisingly I haven't seen this MU much but I'm confident Diddy edges Mewtwo out.

has always been bad but it's more manageable now than it ever has been. Her neutral and combos are difficult to overcome but the nerfs mean we'll get a few more chances to get hits in. Probably only -1 now as opposed to the -2 it used to be.

Honestly Mewtwo's MU spread against top tier is the main reason I thought he was top 20 before Pound. his worst MU's come from high and mid tier.

Possibly. Too soon to tell at this point. His match up against ZSS and Bayonetta seem unfavorable IMO. However, he might go even with Sheik now. His run at Pound would certainly indicate that Mewtwo's a top tier, but people are forgetting just how good Abadango is. He has made Pac Man and Wario look like top tiers in the past. Had ZeRo attended Pound he would have shown that Mewtwo is not op in the slightest.

You have to remember that those results are irrelevant now as Apex 2015 was only a few months after the Wii U version came out so people weren't sure on certain MUs like in such a new metagame and EVO used Custom rules which have been abandoned by the community.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

Mewtwo doesn't get stomped by the top tiers like you would think.

is either even or slightly in M2s favour since her kill options are so limited now. This is one of our few MUs where living past 150% is actually possible and Mewtwo with high rage is a rare but terrifying beast. Her reduced weight only makes it easier for her to die from U-throw, F-air or any other kill move M2 has. Sure her frame data is far superior to ours and needles can still force our approach but her lack of kill options is a major weakness that Mewtwo can punish.

is also even or slightly in our favour. Mewtwo gets a free charged Shadow Ball if Cloud decided to charge limit and I feel that SB is very dangerous in this MU as it can punish Cloud both on and off the stage. speaking of off stage, Cloud without limit is pretty bad at recovering, we all know this, but Mewtwo especially can massacre him when he's trying to get back. The Mew² vs M2K match is a decent example of this although it could be argued M2K had no idea what he was up against. Browny made a good post about this MU a while back but sadly I can't find it.

is bad for most characters but Mewtwo doesn't get curb stomped. I've only ever seen this MU at a high level once so it's difficult for me to say how good or bad it actually is but Abadango was able to take two sets over one of Japan's better Bayos so I'm willing to say it can't be much worse than -1

is Another even MU as Mewtwo can efficiently get rid of Luma thanks to F-air's crazy knockback. Rosa is barely heavier than Mewtwo so she'll fall victim to U-throw earlier than almost anyone else and her tall frame makes her easier to combo. If Luma is around then M2's approach will be much harder and he'll die very early if he doesn't it. He also has to be wary of her U-air as it kills very early and exploits Mewtwo's poor landing.

Doable but in Diddy's favour as his neutral is so deadly and banana confirms kill quite early. Surprisingly I haven't seen this MU much but I'm confident Diddy edges Mewtwo out.

has always been bad but it's more manageable now than it ever has been. Her neutral and combos are difficult to overcome but the nerfs mean we'll get a few more chances to get hits in. Probably only -1 now as opposed to the -2 it used to be.

Honestly Mewtwo's MU spread against top tier is the main reason I thought he was top 20 before Pound. his worst MU's come from high and mid tier.



You have to remember that those results are irrelevant now as Apex 2015 was only a few months after the Wii U version came out so people weren't sure on certain MUs like in such a new metagame and EVO used Custom rules which have been abandoned by the community.

I might have to rethink my life lol

 

[BlazGreen]

I'm probably wrong on a few things so don't worry.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

I'm probably wrong on a few things so don't worry.

Whew I was so prepared

 

[Kabutops]

Honestly Mewtwo's MU spread against top tier is the main reason I thought he was top 20 before Pound. his worst MU's come from high and mid tier.

Which ones do you think are his worst MU's? I could be wrong but Villager seems like a hard counter since his bairs and fairs seem too fast to reflect (unless you're going for reads) and he can pocket reflected lloid rockets as well as shadow balls.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

no it's not irrelevant you dolt, if you give ganondorf sonic's ground speed and yoshi's air speed you're going to have problems with balance

literally never said he was too powerful, i just said he didn't need to be that fast

Sometimes you have to wonder why some people tend to have issues with certain attribute changes. Imagine if Rosalina's air speed was set to 1.25 (tied with Mewtwo), that would definitely make her more mobile in the air, and help with her recovery as well. She'd still be slower in the air than Jigglypuff and Yoshi though, and the top 10 fastest walkers can still keep up without having to dash.

And of course, air speed buffs don't necessarily make a fighter's offense better, as Rosalina would still need the Luma by her side to get the best results with her aerial attacks.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

Which ones do you think are his worst MU's? I could be wrong but Villager seems like a hard counter since his bairs and fairs seem too fast to reflect (unless you're going for reads) and he can pocket reflected lloid rockets as well as shadow balls.

I think we win it only slightly tho as we can get in his face and make him uncomfortable speeking of this why don't we have a matchup board

 

[Kabutops]

I think we win it only slightly tho as we can get in his face and make him uncomfortable speeking of this why don't we have a matchup board

You might be right since my opinion of that MU was based on pre-patch Mewtwo. I haven't seen what 1.1.5 Mewtwo can do against Villager yet.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

You might be right since my opinion of that MU was based on pre-patch Mewtwo. I haven't seen what 1.1.5 Mewtwo can do against Villager yet.

Yeah villager is so uncommon you can never be sure

 

[HakuryuVision]

Had a long FG session today, got called a "TIER_WH0RE" at least 2 times by two different people after using .
And there's already people here talking about how they wouldn't mind Mewtwo receiving a speed nerf.
Times sure change.

 

[Quantumpen]

There's still no need to nerf Mewtwo. I highly doubt he's actually top tier. He's good now but he'll always have some consistency problems owing to his weight and trouble with rush down due to his not quite good enough frame data. Top tiers rarely have "flaws by design" except in the most balanced of games.

Abadango is a ridiculous player with a ridiculous level of skill. He could've beaten the players he beat with quite a few characters, the thing that makes this great and exciting is how slept on Mewtwo was in the general community prior to Aba showing off his potential at pound. There is no way Mewtwo is gonna start taking every major.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

Had a long FG session today, got called a "TIER_WH0RE" at least 2 times by two different people after using .
And there's already people here talking about how they wouldn't mind Mewtwo receiving a speed nerf.
Times sure change.

Tell him you mad bro

 

[Murlough]

I played against a stupid good Villager a few weeks ago.

I'd say its in Villigers favor. Our reflector is too slow to deal with villigers projectiles effectively outside of a read. If we reflect projectiles like the lloyd (or the tree....) we give villager an even greater advantage. Our shadowball is a liability against villager outside of the baby ones but even they aren't useful.

All in all I'd say find a secondary for this one. It can get pretty brutal.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

I played against a stupid good Villager a few weeks ago.

I'd say its in Villigers favor. Our reflector is too slow to deal with villigers projectiles effectively outside of a read. If we reflect projectiles like the lloyd (or the tree....) we give villager an even greater advantage. Our shadowball is a liability against villager outside of the baby ones but even they aren't useful.

All in all I'd say find a secondary for this one. It can get pretty brutal.

Good info but I am probably just going to stick with M2 and just learn the matchup

 

[Murlough]

Good info but I am probably just going to stick with M2 and just learn the matchup

Good luck with that.

 

[Y2Kay]

Mewtwo goes even with Villager. Confusion, down tilt, his speed, his power, good recovery......

Villager hates a lot of our stuff. Murlough that Villager is probably just better than you. It's overall just a volatile matchup, but Mewtwo's anti-zoning game is among the best on the roster.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

Good luck with that.

Thanks

 

[Yonder]

Mewtwo goes even with Villager. Confusion, down tilt, his speed, his power, good recovery......

Villager hates a lot of our stuff. Murlough that Villager is probably just better than you. It's overall just a volatile matchup, but Mewtwo's anti-zoning game is among the best on the roster.

I switch to M2 for the Villlager matchup when my Luigi loses to one...definitely even imo

 

[PhantomShab]

Nice to see Mewtwo actually win a big tourney. He's come a long way from his Smash 4 release and miles from his Melee self.

Bask in the complaints about Mewtwo being OP.

BASK. IN. THEM.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

I switch to M2 for the Villlager matchup when my Luigi loses to one...definitely even imo

That's always what I thought

 

[Y2Kay]

I switch to M2 for the Villlager matchup when my Luigi loses to one...definitely even imo

I definitely prefer Mewtwo for that MU too, over my greninja.

 

[C3CC]

>Greninja's water powers are sponsored by Mewtwo's fans' tears
>Mewtwo joins the roster
>Whatever no more Greninja jokes but Mewtwo still sucks
>Guys
>GUYS WAIT
>OMG MEWTWO IS SO OP WHAT THE F*CK HE'S TOO FAST HE NEEDS A NERF

 

[Murlough]

Mewtwo goes even with Villager. Confusion, down tilt, his speed, his power, good recovery......

Villager hates a lot of our stuff. Murlough that Villager is probably just better than you. It's overall just a volatile matchup, but Mewtwo's anti-zoning game is among the best on the roster.

He is but not by much. I'm probably playing too aggressively.

 

[BlazGreen]

Which ones do you think are his worst MU's? I could be wrong but Villager seems like a hard counter since his bairs and fairs seem too fast to reflect (unless you're going for reads) and he can pocket reflected lloid rockets as well as shadow balls.

His worst MUs imo are Metaknight, Fox and Falcon. MK can still get the ladder combo since Mewtwo is so big and floaty but it's not as bad as say, Rosa vs MK as Mewtwo can fend him off a little easier but it's still bad. Fox used to be near impossible to beat just like ZSS but Mewtwo's buffs have helped a lot. I'd still say it's his second worst MU as Fox is so good up close and has the speed that makes it difficult to keep him out. Falcon is in a very similar boat to Fox, difficult to keep out and kills super early but I think this MU is better than Fox because while Falcon can kill Mewtwo very early, he can get just as badly beaten if he messes up and lets Mewtwo exploit his poor disadvantage state. Falcon can be comboed better than almost any other character and his recovery is quite easy for Mewtwo to exploit.

This is just from I've seen and read mind you.

 

[Y2Kay]

The ladder combo only works floaties, but Mewtwo isn't floaty

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

His worst MUs imo are Metaknight, Fox and Falcon. MK can still get the ladder combo since Mewtwo is so big and floaty but it's not as bad as say, Rosa vs MK as Mewtwo can fend him off a little easier but it's still bad. Fox used to be near impossible to beat just like ZSS but Mewtwo's buffs have helped a lot. I'd still say it's his second worst MU as Fox is so good up close and has the speed that makes it difficult to keep him out. Falcon is in a very similar boat to Fox, difficult to keep out and kills super early but I think this MU is better than Fox because while Falcon can kill Mewtwo very early, he can get just as badly beaten if he messes up and lets Mewtwo exploit his poor disadvantage state. Falcon can be comboed better than almost any other character and his recovery is quite easy for Mewtwo to exploit.

This is just from I've seen and read mind you.

I don't think the ladder combo works on practically any character with good SDI well I don't know

 

[BlazGreen]

Really? I thought Mewtwo had always been considered floaty.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

I think he is considered floaty but not by much

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Really? I thought Mewtwo had always been considered floaty.

Mewtwo falls as fast as Mario, so it isn't all that floaty for a super lightweight.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

Mewtwo falls as fast as Mario, so it isn't all that floaty for a super lightweight.

Wow OK I always thought he was floaty maybe it's because of the way his second jump looks

 

[BlazGreen]

Fair enough then. I've seen Metaknight talked about as Mewtwo's worst MU so I was for sure that was the reason. Guess I'll have to do more research.

 

[Y2Kay]

His fall speed is tied with Mario, but his Gravity is low.

 

[Sonicninja115]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvtuI_HNvo4

Dabuz did an analysis video of Aba's Mewtwo. Def a good watch for anyone wishing to up their game with top player insight. Just keep in mind that Dabuz isn't super knowledgeable about Mewtwo.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

Fair enough then. I've seen Metaknight talked about as Mewtwo's worst MU so I was for sure that was the reason. Guess I'll have to do more research.

I'd say the matchup is 55:45 not in our favor just because we can out zone him pretty well this brings up the question again why don't we have a matchup thread

 

[Y2Kay]

MK main's are starting to say that it's a losing matchup, apparently they can't stand shadow ball camping.

 

[Mewtwo the king of bad]

That's what I was saying

 

[BlazGreen]

MK main's are starting to say that it's a losing matchup, apparently they can't stand shadow ball camping.

Well damn, I feel like a fraud now.