[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[owjies]

He's a total goofball. He's a dork. "YO, SMITHY" is a real quote.

I agree, although it was pretty badass when Geno just dropped in on Bowyer alone while Mario and Mallow hid behind a stump.

 

[EarlTamm]

I agree, although it was pretty badass when Geno just dropped in on Bowyer alone while Mario and Mallow hid behind a stump.

But let's also not forget that when Bowyer started firing arrows again, Geno told him to "Chill out."

 

[Luigi The President]

I agree, although it was pretty badass when Geno just dropped in on Bowyer alone while Mario and Mallow hid behind a stump.

Yea no definitely. Geno's a really fun mix of badass and adorable dorkiness.

 

[Deleted member]

Dragon Quest gets too much hate just because of the controversy behind the music.

 

[EarlTamm]

Yea no definitely. Geno's a really fun mix of badass and adorable dorkiness.

Adorkable, if you will.

 

[owjies]

Yea no definitely. Geno's a really fun mix of badass and adorable dorkiness.

Totally, that's a big part of what makes Mario RPG a great game. It brought a lot of genres and styles together. I played through Mario RPG for the first time in many years a couple months back, and I had forgotten how genuinely funny it is.

 

[Deleted member]

Dragon Quest gets too much hate just because of the controversy behind the music.

I don't think that's the *only* reason (not to say it's not a reason though because it is). I think some people are seeing it as an "us vs them" situation where a DQ rep is an "enemy" to Geno or Sora or someone else, even though they all have great merit to be in in my opinion.
And, I don't think it should be seen like that. People just gotta keep an open mind. I've never even played a KH game but I've seen what Sora can do and I'd be happy with him getting in.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't think that's the *only* reason (not to say it's not a reason though because it is). I think some people are seeing it as an "us vs them" situation where a DQ rep is an "enemy" to Geno or Sora or someone else, even though they all have great merit to be in in my opinion.
And, I don't think it should be seen like that. People just gotta keep an open mind. I've never even played a KH game but I've seen what Sora can do and I'd be happy with him getting in.

I like Dragon Quest, and it makes me sad to see so much hate towards the franchise.

 

[Deleted member]

I like Dragon Quest, and it makes me sad to see so much hate towards the franchise.

Same. like I've said before, I hope that if a DQ rep does get in I would hope seeing them in action is what would sell people on them.

 

[EarlTamm]

I don't think that's the *only* reason (not to say it's not a reason though because it is). I think some people are seeing it as an "us vs them" situation where a DQ rep is an "enemy" to Geno or Sora or someone else, even though they all have great merit to be in in my opinion.
And, I don't think it should be seen like that. People just gotta keep an open mind. I've never even played a KH game but I've seen what Sora can do and I'd be happy with him getting in.

Certainly does not help the DQ is super niche in the west, especially when you compare it to the likes of KH and Mario.

 

[Luigi The President]

Dragon Quest gets too much hate just because of the controversy behind the music.

JD this new text color simply isn't it

 

[Deleted member]

JD this new text color simply isn't it

I don't care.

I am free to choose the colours i want.

 

[Luigi The President]

I don't care.

I am free to choose the colours i want.

You sure are but it's ****in blinding me dude

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

Certainly does not help the DQ is super niche in the west, especially when you compare it to the likes of KH and Mario.

Honestly, a lot of things are niche compared to KH and Mario, Persona especially before 5.

 

[Xigger]

Geno is a dorky badass. Honestly, he's as laid back as Pit.

JD this new text color simply isn't it

You're right, that blue text color is just too much, why would anyone choose blue text color

I'll be brutally honest.
I highly doubt Nintendo will double dip for third party DLC.

Capcom:
Konami:
Sega: (Sega-owned Platinum w/e)

 

[Deleted member]

You sure are but it's ****in blinding me dude

Then say It.

 

[Luigi The President]

Then say It.

I did... :"/

Geno is a dorky badass. Honestly, he's as laid back as Pit.


You're right, that blue text color is just too much, why would anyone choose blue text color


Capcom:
Konami:
Sega: (Sega-owned Platinum w/e)

...aight i'ma let you off easy

 

[beans]

Geno is a dorky badass. Honestly, he's as laid back as Pit.


You're right, that blue text color is just too much, why would anyone choose blue text color


Capcom:
Konami:
Sega: (Sega-owned Platinum w/e)

The meaning is double dipping in only one season of DLC.
also the capcom dlc should be gene

 

[EarlTamm]

Honestly, a lot of things are niche compared to KH and Mario, Persona especially before 5.

True, but as you said, even Persona got it's big break by Persona 5. Heck, it had been on the rise since 3. To a general audience and even Smash speculators, DQ is pretty niche, causing some dissociation in peoples perspective of it when it comes to Smash.

 

[Deleted member]

Why do I think I've stated that Opti could have worded it better?



The difference is that DQ is 95% Japan and 5% Europe and US in terms of sale where Persona is more "spread out". Also, when it comes to bait and switch on a Toriyama character... I imagine a lot of the reaction would be "F you Nintendo, we want Goku, not this ****". While we Smash geeks don't want Goku, there is a **** ton of casuals that want him



If people only cared about he/she being fun to play, then people would not care about that someone like Corrin or Chrom (especially the former) got in, or that we have three Links. And I say this as someone that has worked in one of the biggest game stops, working at a lot of tournaments,, gaming conventions you name it. Before my PTSD, I was all over the place and pretty much never home because I never worked at one place at the time.. I'm not basing my info of the anime swordman hate from online reactions only if that's what you believed..



I saw and heard the same. But like I said in my earlier comment. The Pokemon outside of one attack and Pikachu and Pichu, there springs more originality between the Pokemon then it does with the "anime sword wielder" (which i quite sad concidering modders have done the FE characters more justice then Sakurai.. but that's another story for another time).

Sorry if I didn't get what you meant about wording better.

The main issue I see is that you're preemptively thinking a character you don't seem to care would be hated because he's from a similar archetype that's been used a lot and you heard a lot of complains. Even if the sales are 95%-5% relating to Japan and the West it still makes the franchise have a good presence, which is pretty similar to how MH was selling previous to World (MH4U was about 2.5-3m copies in Japan compared to 1-1.5 in the west for example). I don't really have any marketing knowledge at all, but I think considering the few trailers we've gotten Nintendo can pull something to get people behind any character they are selling that being Geno, Erdrick, Sora, etc. I also think Erdrick if he is being in, he would have a moveset that would easily set him apart from other swordsmen.

 

[Luigi The President]

Honestly, a lot of things are niche compared to KH and Mario, Persona especially before 5.

I'm not sure 4 was really niche though.
Persona 4 became a series of it's own for almost a decade.

5 is definitely the breakthrough though.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I agree, although it was pretty badass when Geno just dropped in on Bowyer alone while Mario and Mallow hid behind a stump.

That moment is described as a Big Damn Heroes on the Super Mario RPG TVTropes Characters Page.

Enjoy your wasted hours on TVTropes lol.

Why do I think I've stated that Opti could have worded it better?

It's not the wording that matters. OptimisticStrifer could be the most well spoken user on this thread and he'd still be hated, because the intent behind his posts is what truly matters. "Better wording" is a euphemism that avoids the real problem, being that he comes into this thread to bash on other's ideas and play the martyr when people reasonably turn against him.

OptimisticStrifer has repeatedly come into this thread to bash Dragon Quest and derailed discussion in the process. Multiple peoples are convinced he's trolling and other Geno fans in this thread have had to apologize for him because his behavior is that bad. I don't understand why you're giving him a pass here when there's clearly a problem.

 

[Deleted member]

That moment is described as a Big Damn Heroes on the Super Mario RPG TVTropes Characters Page.

Enjoy your wasted hours on TVTropes lol.

Personally I’m still too mentally scarred by the days of Troper Tales to venture anywhere near TVTropes. But that’s off-topic.

 

[OptimisticStrifer]

That moment is described as a Big Damn Heroes on the Super Mario RPG TVTropes Characters Page.

Enjoy your wasted hours on TVTropes lol.

It's not the wording that matters. OptimisticStrifer could be the most well spoken user on this thread and he'd still be hated, because the intent behind his posts is what truly matters. "Better wording" is a euphemism that avoids the real problem, being that he comes into this thread to bash on other's ideas and play the martyr when people reasonably turn against him.

OptimisticStrifer has repeatedly come into this thread to bash Dragon Quest and derailed discussion in the process. Multiple peoples are convinced he's trolling and other Geno fans in this thread have had to apologize for him because his behavior is that bad. I don't understand why you're giving him a pass here when there's clearly a problem.

I'm no more stirring things than any other person who brings up an argument in this thread. I just come off a lot more vitriol because I have some personal stakes/bias in who I want the Square Rep to be.

 

[OpticalBlast]

I'm no more stirring things than any other person who brings up an argument in this thread. I just come off a lot more vitriol because I have some personal stakes/bias in who I want the Square Rep to be.

That's the thing; there's one person who brings up arguments in this thread.

Can you guess who that is?

Personally I’m still too mentally scarred by the days of Troper Tales to venture anywhere near TVTropes. But that’s off-topic.

Troper Tales, man... those were like windows into hell lmao

 

[EarlTamm]

I have a question to all of you DQ fans out there, why is it that DQ has not caught on outside of Japan? I mean, it is here, but it is certainly not anything close to the icon it is in Japan. I am also curious as of how FF was able to outpace it in that regard.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I have a question to all of you DQ fans out there, why is it that DQ has not caught on outside of Japan? I mean, it is here, but it is certainly not anything close to the icon it is in Japan. I am also curious as of how FF was able to outpace it in that regard.

I think people grew out of the typical ''old school" JRPG in the west. They wanted games from the genre that grew and changed the way they were played. Hence why stuff like FF, KH, Persona, etc grew.

Dragon Quest never grew past ''GOOD OLE CLASSIC JRPG FORMULA." Half the comments I see about 11 are literally just ''As old school as you can get."

Look at the most popular JRPGS in America and they're not really as old school in themes or battle systems, etc as Dragon Quest tends to be.

At least that's my theory as to why it's not caught on.

I think if Dragon Quest wants to be a hit in the West. It's gonna have to change it's formula up. Which won't happen because Japan won't let that happen.

Personally always felt it's a losing battle for Dragon Quest in the west because of this.

 

[beans]

I have a question to all of you DQ fans out there, why is it that DQ has not caught on outside of Japan? I mean, it is here, but it is certainly not anything close to the icon it is in Japan. I am also curious as of how FF was able to outpace it in that regard.

FF is just a constant here.
We had the firsts and even if some didnt come here until later, their pace here never slowed down.
DQ doesnt mantain such a pace in the west.

I think people grew out of the typical ''old school" JRPG in the west. They wanted games from the genre that grew and changed the way they were played. Hence why stuff like FF, KH, Persona, etc grew.

Dragon Quest never grew past ''GOOD OLE CLASSIC JRPG FORMULA." Half the comments I see about 11 are literally just ''As old school as you can get."

Look at the most popular JRPGS in America and they're not really as old school in themes or battle systems, etc as Dragon Quest tends to be.

At least that's my theory as to why it's not caught on.

I think if Dragon Quest wants to be a hit in the West. It's gonna have to change it's formula up. Which won't happen because Japan won't let that happen.

Personally always felt it's a losing battle for Dragon Quest in the west because of this.

Yet the ones that come here are still highly regarded titles.
Its not a problem with the games.
Its like a good student that only shows up to one class.

 

[owjies]

I have a question to all of you DQ fans out there, why is it that DQ has not caught on outside of Japan? I mean, it is here, but it is certainly not anything close to the icon it is in Japan. I am also curious as of how FF was able to outpace it in that regard.

Western RPGs may have had something to do with it too. I know from my own experience I went from Mario RPG/Chrono/FF7/FFX to games like Elder Scrolls and Mass Effect.

 

[Deleted member]

I think people grew out of the typical ''old school" JRPG in the west. They wanted games from the genre that grew and changed the way they were played. Hence why stuff like FF, KH, Persona, etc grew.

Dragon Quest never grew past ''GOOD OLE CLASSIC JRPG FORMULA." Half the comments I see about 11 are literally just ''As old school as you can get."

Look at the most popular JRPGS in America and they're not really as old school in themes or battle systems, etc as Dragon Quest tends to be.

At least that's my theory as to why it's not caught on.

I think if Dragon Quest wants to be a hit in the West. It's gonna have to change it's formula up. Which won't happen because Japan won't let that happen.

Personally always felt it's a losing battle for Dragon Quest in the west because of this.

this + typically really bad marketing

 

[Luigi The President]

I'm no more stirring things than any other person who brings up an argument in this thread. I just come off a lot more vitriol because I have some personal stakes/bias in who I want the Square Rep to be.

Opti I get you're frustrated but everyone here has stakes or bias in who they want the Squenix rep to be.
In fact, look, I'm sorry to call you out, and I don't intend to. But...you haven't played SMRPG, dude.
If Geno fans who have played SMRPG are able to be a lot more calm and rational, there's no real excuse.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

I think people grew out of the typical ''old school" JRPG in the west. They wanted games from the genre that grew and changed the way they were played. Hence why stuff like FF, KH, Persona, etc grew.

Dragon Quest never grew past ''GOOD OLE CLASSIC JRPG FORMULA." Half the comments I see about 11 are literally just ''As old school as you can get."

Look at the most popular JRPGS in America and they're not really as old school in themes or battle systems, etc as Dragon Quest tends to be.

At least that's my theory as to why it's not caught on.

I think if Dragon Quest wants to be a hit in the West. It's gonna have to change it's formula up. Which won't happen because Japan won't let that happen.

Personally always felt it's a losing battle for Dragon Quest in the west because of this.

Honestly, this is exactly what it is, even worse now that western gamers are preferring ARPGs like KH and FFXV to traditional Turn-Based games. A turn-based game like Persona 5 needs to have a flashy style, innovative and such to keep people interested, but DQ is that old grandpa that doesn't change.

 

[-Coco-]

I have a question to all of you DQ fans out there, why is it that DQ has not caught on outside of Japan? I mean, it is here, but it is certainly not anything close to the icon it is in Japan. I am also curious as of how FF was able to outpace it in that regard.

Square stopped pushing them in the West due to personal financial issues. The marketing for the originals was also very poor. DQ9 did fairly well here and then they just stopped bringing them.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, this is exactly what it is, even worse now that western gamers are preferring ARPGs like KH and FFXV to traditional Turn-Based games. A turn-based game like Persona 5 needs to have a flashy style, innovative and such to keep people interested, but DQ is that old grandpa that doesn't change.

And that's what I like about it, honestly. Action RPGs are great but I really love the strategy involved in turn based games, DQ gets it perfectly.

 

[Minik]

I've seen a lot of discourse for turn based battles in general, saying its outdated even though its a genuine style of gameplay. The FF7 remake caused a lot of ruckus since most people were like "why did you change the gameplay its not a remake now" with others being like "the turn based one was outdated". As for DQ, ive heard a lot of people complain about its setting being mostly fantasy medievilish aesthetic, a lot of really popular RPGs avoid this entirely, its a big point of Earthbound. These days though its probably rarer to see fantasy medievilish aesthetic because everything avoids it (see final fantasy)

 

[Deleted member]

I have a question to all of you DQ fans out there, why is it that DQ has not caught on outside of Japan? I mean, it is here, but it is certainly not anything close to the icon it is in Japan. I am also curious as of how FF was able to outpace it in that regard.

The breaks between DQ games in the west were longer than FF so it couldn't stablish a fanbase as easily. DQI to DQIV were released on the NES in America between 1989 to 1992 and the next game (DQVII) came 8 years later and it didn't help that the game's graphics felt outdated compared to FFVII and FFVIII, and the game has glacial pacing (DQI,II and III came in GBC around this time as well). VIII was received better but still came 6 years after VII, and then another break until the DS games (DQIX, spinoffs and the remakes of DQIV,DQV, and DQVI) and then another break until 2015 with the remakes of VII and VIII.
That aside its just poor marketing as well, considering the DS remake of VI sold better than some titles like Golden Sun Dark Dawn(remember hearing this but don't take too much of my word for it) with little to no promotion and we had a few million sellers from the series as well. Problem is that with a lot of the titles, the breaks between mainline titles are quite long and it doesn't help that a few of the last ones scripts are also long as well, which makes them expensive to localize. Since the spinoffs normally are released in between to keep interest, it doesn't help when many are not localized to keep the interest on the series.

 

[Icewolff92]

That moment is described as a Big Damn Heroes on the Super Mario RPG TVTropes Characters Page.

Enjoy your wasted hours on TVTropes lol.

It's not the wording that matters. OptimisticStrifer could be the most well spoken user on this thread and he'd still be hated, because the intent behind his posts is what truly matters. "Better wording" is a euphemism that avoids the real problem, being that he comes into this thread to bash on other's ideas and play the martyr when people reasonably turn against him.

OptimisticStrifer has repeatedly come into this thread to bash Dragon Quest and derailed discussion in the process. Multiple peoples are convinced he's trolling and other Geno fans in this thread have had to apologize for him because his behavior is that bad. I don't understand why you're giving him a pass here when there's clearly a problem.

Not giving a pass, because I think he could have handled it better. But I react that people act like it's not a legit reason for not being comfortable of the thoughts of supporting DQ because of the composer and act like he is a crybaby because of it when we all most likely have something we don't support because of a personal reason.

 

[Lunacial]

Will he actually be called Erdrick I wonder, could be something like Dragon Quest Hero, especially if there are skins of other protags.

If there isn't alts of other characters he'll be called Erdrick, even if there are he'll still be called Erdrick with the other ones having different names like the koopalings, but i dont think theyll be in since they technically don't have canon names
I also don't think they'll be in since they'd have to do all or do none or else it'd feel weird, and the DQV hero wouldn't fit since he is purposely different than all the other ones design/fighting wise, the DQVII hero is younger than all the other ones and doesn't have the same proportions, and the DQIX and DQX heroes are customizable (though i suppose they could use the ones on the boxart)

Merry Christmas
And to answer the question yes the other protagonists could be called by names but I'm not sure these names are cannon other then Erdrick but these are names the protagonists can go by from DQ 1 to 8
1.Alef
2.Allen
3.Erdrick obviously
4.Solo
5.Abel or Luca
6.Rek,Will,Botts,Iza
7.Auster
8.Eight
So they could use these but who knows If they will or not most of these are manga names but heck I use them so lol plus im not sure they care enough to use them at all they could just call them heros lol

The DQV Hero is also called Madason by some people since at the beginning of the game Pankraz (his dad) says something like "How about naming him Madason?" to which the heros mom replies with the name the player entered fun fact, if the name you entered is Madason then Pankraz suggests Erdrick instead

98% of this thread has been respectful towards fans and supporters of each character. I'm low key a big Sephiroth guy but I appreciate DQ's iconic status despite no personal love for the series and seeing people like liquidmetalslime and Calane so passionate about the series has made me want to check it out.

I feel the same way you do about wanting to check out DQ but with SMRPG instead, seeing how passionate Geno fans are (and just hearing how much people love the game in general) makes me wanna check it out!

I've seen Geno's fanbase since it's original inception in 1999. I'm not a Geno supporter but I absolutely support the grind the fanbase has put in and I absolutely hope they get their boy in. I'd be foolish to want him not in even if I prefer others on the list. People like Luigi the President in this very thread have been excellent to discuss the happenings with and there are plenty of other great Geno fans. Mario RPG is a great game.

People who don't want Sephiroth are clear in their reasons why - they want roster variety. Of course I respect that argument! I may love Final Fantasy 7 and Sephiroth, but more series representation in Smash is only a good thing, even if it means missing out on a villain I love.

Crono may not have major vocal support, but everyone agrees on what an excellent game it is. It may not be as relevant in terms of timing as the rest of the list, but Crono would be a wonderful addition to the roster and everyone is respecting that fanbase too.

Even Slime is cute and agreed on as a unique and interesting fighter, but there's also the counterpoint of not wanting another generic enemy in the game so Plant doesn't seem less unique. But that view, when brought up, is treated again with respect because it's presented in a way that isn't meant to attack fans of Slime or DQ.

Sora is massive! I really like the idea that he was the PS2 generation's Cloud. Iconic star of an action RPG series. Has some possible legal issues, with a lot of talk about whether or not the Disney elements should be in or out to accurately represent the character.

The best conversations in this thread are when everyone understands that respect is the way to go and everyone is weighing the pros and cons and understanding each fanbase. And you'll notice that when people are being understanding and not grasping at straws or trying to stir up **** or attack other fanbases everyone has a good conversation and everyone wins.

What about Luminary fans (jk)

I have a question to all of you DQ fans out there, why is it that DQ has not caught on outside of Japan? I mean, it is here, but it is certainly not anything close to the icon it is in Japan. I am also curious as of how FF was able to outpace it in that regard.

Dragon Quest is waayyyy too traditional for western markets, its gameplay has always stuck to the same turn-based formula unlike FF which changes it up a lot (not that sticking to the same formula is necessarily bad, its just that it doesn't appeal to the west as much)
Also yeah, bad marketing

Oh, and for everyone saying Merry Christmas,

 

[beans]

If there isn't alts of other characters he'll be called Erdrick, even if there are he'll still be called Erdrick with the other ones having different names like the koopalings, but i dont think theyll be in since they technically don't have canon names
I also don't think they'll be in since they'd have to do all or do none or else it'd feel weird, and the DQV hero wouldn't fit since he is purposely different than all the other ones design/fighting wise, the DQVII hero is younger than all the other ones and doesn't have the same proportions, and the DQIX and DQX heroes are customizable (though i suppose they could use the ones on the boxart)


The DQV Hero is also called Madason by some people since at the beginning of the game Pankraz (his dad) says something like "How about naming him Madason?" to which the heros mom replies with the name the player entered fun fact, if the name you entered is Madason then Pankraz suggests Erdrick instead


I feel the same way you do about wanting to check out DQ but with SMRPG instead, seeing how passionate Geno fans are (and just hearing how much people love the game in general) makes me wanna check it out!

What about Luminary fans (jk)


Dragon Quest is waayyyy too traditional for western markets, its gameplay has always stuck to the same turn-based formula unlike FF which changes it up a lot (not that sticking to the same formula is necessarily bad, its just that it doesn't appeal to the west as much)
Also yeah, bad marketing

Oh, and for everyone saying Merry Christmas,

It still sells in the west, so there is an audience for it.
Also best case, nobody will fight me because its the truth

 

[Nemuresu]

I'm no more stirring things than any other person who brings up an argument in this thread. I just come off a lot more vitriol because I have some personal stakes/bias in who I want the Square Rep to be.

Yeah right. Who in their right mind thinks a controversy surrounding an entire different game affects things here without sourcing it properly? Clearly it couldn't come from anyone but the same person who thinks everyone who'd buy Erdrick is a nazi because a part of that money will go to a jack*** composer.