[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

[Deleted member]

I'm a little annoyed that someone in the thread said that Erdrick is essentially Robin 2.0

the back pages of this thread is an accursed tome that is never meant to be seen by mankind again

 

[Hot_N_Tasty]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ride-is-still-on.91979/page-196#post-19573296

Tansut is doubling down on Erdrick if there's any doubt left.

I apologize if this comes off as starting a fight, I just want an answer cause I've seen this opinion on both resetera and smashboards. Why do some people want Chrono so badly, then act like Erdrick has zero moveset potential? Like I get it if you're attached to a game you've played with one of the seven in it, I have my biases myself, but what does chrono bring moveset wise that makes him the seemingly all-around superior canidate? Just to close off, want who you want, but saying Erdrick is "just an anime sword boy" and then backing another "anime sword boy" is absolutely silly in my mind.

 

[Nemuresu]

So that's all I got. Well, other than apparently Cloud was a pricey fella to get into Smash.

This could explain so many things.

 

[NomadLuminary]

I apologize if this comes off as starting a fight, I just want an answer cause I've seen this opinion on both resetera and smashboards. Why do some people want Chrono so badly, then act like Erdrick has zero moveset potential? Like I get it if you're attached to a game you've played with one of the seven in it, I have my biases myself, but what does chrono bring moveset wise that makes him the seemingly all-around superior canidate? Just to close off, want who you want, but saying Erdrick is "just an anime sword boy" and then backing another "anime sword boy" is absolutely silly in my mind.

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eventually.

It would be a very smart and pretty awesome idea if a character that represents Square and someone that represents Enix get in first. That way characters like Crono and Sora have more impact. After all, in Crono's case, Yuji Horii (DQ creator) and Hironobu Sakaguchi (FF creator) were the masterminds behind Chrono Trigger. Sora is just an example of the post-Square Enix merger. It's literally history in smash style if this theory actually becomes true.

 

[OpticalBlast]

I apologize if this comes off as starting a fight, I just want an answer cause I've seen this opinion on both resetera and smashboards. Why do some people want Chrono so badly, then act like Erdrick has zero moveset potential? Like I get it if you're attached to a game you've played with one of the seven in it, I have my biases myself, but what does chrono bring moveset wise that makes him the seemingly all-around superior canidate? Just to close off, want who you want, but saying Erdrick is "just an anime sword boy" and then backing another "anime sword boy" is absolutely silly in my mind.

It's mostly because Crono comes from a game that's really popular, whereas Erdrick is completely unknown to most people in the West.

Now that I think about it, if you exclude the possibility of Crono bringing in other party members for Dual/Triple techs, Erdrick has more moveset potential lmao

 

[Deleted member]

It's mostly because Crono comes from a game that's really popular, whereas Erdrick is completely unknown to most people in the West.

Now that I think about it, if you exclude the possibility of Crono bringing in other party members for Dual/Triple techs, Erdrick has more moveset potential lmao

If Crono didn't have duo/trio techs in his moveset I would actually find that kinda disappointing, since it only leaves him with his katana and thunder magic.

 

[Namasura]

I apologize if this comes off as starting a fight, I just want an answer cause I've seen this opinion on both resetera and smashboards. Why do some people want Chrono so badly, then act like Erdrick has zero moveset potential? Like I get it if you're attached to a game you've played with one of the seven in it, I have my biases myself, but what does chrono bring moveset wise that makes him the seemingly all-around superior canidate? Just to close off, want who you want, but saying Erdrick is "just an anime sword boy" and then backing another "anime sword boy" is absolutely silly in my mind.

Some people have double standards, it happens when people start to reason why another pick is bad and their pick is good in a flawed way, doing the 'whisper campaign' and all that, the objective is to harm another possible pick the most they can, so a bit of inconsistency doesn't matter.

 

[NomadLuminary]

Some people have double standards, it happens when people start to reason why another pick is bad and their pick is good in a flawed way, doing the 'whisper campaign' and all that, the objective is to harm another possible pick the most they can, so a bit of inconsistency doesn't matter.

It's pretty pathetic, to be honest. I mean you can have a civil discussion on evidence but it annoys me to no end when they try to flat out shut you down. It's disheartening and sad.

 

[Nazyrus]

It's pretty pathetic, to be honest. I mean you can have a civil discussion on evidence but it annoys me to no end when they try to flat out shut you down. It's disheartening and sad.

If we do indeed get Erdrick I hope he looks like your pfp, that's some cool artwork.

 

[Just a random scrub]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ride-is-still-on.91979/page-196#post-19573296

Tansut is doubling down on Erdrick if there's any doubt left.

Can someone post what he's sayin' in a spoiler box? I don't want to give that site any traffic.

 

[Nemuresu]

Can someone post what he's sayin' in a spoiler box? I don't want to give that site any traffic.

Spoiler

Oh hey I got a notification I was tagged! I might as well try to clear up as much as I can real quick to help avoid any confusion....

I found out about Cloud in September of that year. I was only told about him with the assurance I wouldn't leak it ahead of time. Trust me, I WISH I could have spilled the beans, but aside from respecting this person's wishes I also respected the fact that it would have spoiled a pretty amazing direct and in the end it was totally worth it. That thread was nuts.

I only started dabbling in being someone that talks like they know something when some leaks were going around a few days before the direct he was to be revealed in. Basically I responded to a few posts debunking some Smash leaks because they didn't have Cloud on them. I said something to the effect that nobody would believe me if I revealed what I knew anyway, but I felt like I ought to debunk what I could at the time regardless.

Then the day of the direct happens and since that thread was going at a ridiculous clip I decided to do a leak of Cloud in the guise of a Star Wars prediction (Luke the blonde protagonist with Cloud City as the stage). It wouldn't make any sense or give anything away before hand, but a couple people picked up on it after the fact.

After that I found out when he would be released, so I leaked that as a weather forecast saying it would be cloudy on that date. I was technically off on that, but only because I was told the Japan time release date and didn't realize it at the time.

Fast forward to Ultimate hype. In early-ish fall (I think) I heard about a leak that a certain company (you can fill in the dots here) was not happy about, and assumed it was an image leak. To this day I'm not sure if it was a Smash leak or maybe a Final Fantasy leak that caused some internal memos to be sent... just that they weren't happy about something that got out. The only other thing I ever found out beforehand was that the Grinch leak was most likely a fake, which I shared because I hated seeing people get hyped for something I was pretty sure wasn't going to go the way they hoped. I did not want to be right about that, for what it's worth.

This past December I got confirmation about Erdrick, or that at least that it's a DQ character as one of the DLC characters. I was never corrected when I used Erdrick as the name when talking to them, so I don't see a reason to assume it's someone else like Luminary. I got the feeling that I only found out then because they were, at that point, still in a very early state. I was told to not expect anything like a reveal soon, so I wasn't totally shocked he wasn't at the last direct, especially since Joker was still barely shown and he's farther along.

When is he coming? Honestly I dunno. Any date or timeframe I give is pure speculation, and I try to leave that out as much as possible since it just muddies the water.

So that's all I got. Well, other than apparently Cloud was a pricey fella to get into Smash.

Let me know if anything still is confusing!

 

[shinhed-echi]

I'm a little annoyed that someone in the thread said that Erdrick is essentially Robin 2.0

That’s nonsense. Ultimate Robin is Robin 2.0 already.

 

[NomadLuminary]

If we do indeed get Erdrick I hope he looks like your pfp, that's some cool artwork.

Why thank you, here is the whole pic.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ride-is-still-on.91979/page-196#post-19573296

Tansut is doubling down on Erdrick if there's any doubt left.

Well there's still doubt, so I guess I can see why. Lol

If we do indeed get Erdrick I hope he looks like your pfp, that's some cool artwork.

Agreed.

 

[helloiamhere]

That new Tansut post was giving me life, and then...

When is he coming? Honestly I dunno. Any date or timeframe I give is pure speculation, and I try to leave that out as much as possible since it just muddies the water.

sigh

 

[EarlTamm]

That new Tansut post was giving me life, and then...



sigh

That's a bit off. Couldn't they have at least confirmed if he would be next or not?

 

[papagenos]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ride-is-still-on.91979/page-196#post-19573296

Tansut is doubling down on Erdrick if there's any doubt left.

Obviously I still hope without hope that Geno shows up instead, but I've essentially accepted Erdrick or at least a DQ rep in some form is likely whats going to happen. Maybe Geno will get a shot somehow (more fighter passes/more than one square rep etc...) but for right now if we get Erdrick I hope some square themed Mii Costumes return so I can at least Mii Gunner as Geno again.

 

[Ovaltine]

Obviously I still hope without hope that Geno shows up instead, but I've essentially accepted Erdrick or at least a DQ rep in some form is likely whats going to happen. Maybe Geno will get a shot somehow (more fighter passes/more than one square rep etc...) but for right now if we get Erdrick I hope some square themed Mii Costumes return so I can at least Mii Gunner as Geno again.

I honestly doubt we're even getting the Mii costume back. I've just accepted Murphy's Law with Geno at this point:

Everything that can go wrong will.

 

[NomadLuminary]

I honestly doubt we're even getting the Mii costume back. I've just accepted Murphy's Law with Geno at this point:

Everything that can go wrong will.

Have faith my child, Geno has a chance. Even if it's not at the moment, maybe he'll come eventually.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Have faith my child, Geno has a chance. Even if it's not at the moment, maybe he'll come eventually.

I mean... he already is a fighter icon. Why draw the line there of all places if he’s already in the game. (And spirit too, I forgot).

 

[Icewolff92]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ride-is-still-on.91979/page-196#post-19573296

Tansut is doubling down on Erdrick if there's any doubt left.

If the Square rep isn't a Dragon Quest character, then this just Spawn all over again. And yes, its situations such as "SpawnGate" (Injustice fans knows what I'm talking about) that I'm always skeptical of any leak no matter who's the frontrunner.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Speaking of, has Tansut leaked stuff besides Cloud previously?

 

[Nazyrus]

Speaking of, has Tansut leaked stuff besides Cloud previously?

Not that I'm aware of, no. And he leaked cloud like literally before it just happened, imo he was lucky to get info at the last minute -shrugs-

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not that I'm aware of, no. And he leaked cloud like literally before it just happened, imo he was lucky to get info at the last minute -shrugs-

Hmm. So he doesn't have much of a track record either. Just a one-time thing. Seems like he has a SE insider at this point, but who knows. I'll still be skeptical, as there's barely a track record to look at. I thought I heard something about him doing poorly on other stuff, but I can't remember that for sure.

 

[Deleted member]

Hmm. So he doesn't have much of a track record either. Just a one-time thing. Seems like he has a SE insider at this point, but who knows. I'll still be skeptical, as there's barely a track record to look at. I thought I heard something about him doing poorly on other stuff, but I can't remember that for sure.

Only stuff he has leaked is pretty much smash related from SE side, with Cloud and his release date (although from his wording it seems the date was a bit off due to being Japanese one). He also called the Grinch leak fake.

Agree on being skeptical since this is mostly clarifying.

 

[Nazyrus]

Only stuff he has leaked is pretty much smash related from SE side, with Cloud and his release date (although from his wording it seems the date was a bit off due to being Japanese one). He also called the Grinch leak fake.

Agree on being skeptical since this is mostly clarifying.

Grinch leak was a 50/50 situation, calling it fake really doesn't add anything to his credibility, half the fandom already denied it.

 

[Teeb147]

Grinch leak was a 50/50 situation, calling it fake really doesn't add anything to his credibility, half the fandom already denied it.

From what I saw, 80% of people were on board with it and believed it. A lot, ifnot most, 'leakers' I saw believed it too. Both Verge and Tansut denied it even with everything passed around, so it gave them quite a bit more credibility in my eyes, at least.

 

[Captain Fun]

Not that I'm aware of, no. And he leaked cloud like literally before it just happened, imo he was lucky to get info at the last minute -shrugs-

Well, he claims he was told about Cloud in September of that year. If that's the case he was holding on to that for a while.

Hmm. So he doesn't have much of a track record either. Just a one-time thing. Seems like he has a SE insider at this point, but who knows. I'll still be skeptical, as there's barely a track record to look at. I thought I heard something about him doing poorly on other stuff, but I can't remember that for sure.

As far as I know, he hasn't gotten anything wrong. He teased Cloud, talked about the Grinch leak, and teased DQ content, and was brief about all of those things.

Since he hasn't really spoken much on the topic over the course of the past 4 years or so it doesn't seem like he's doing it for attention. I still don't know how this will pan out, but I personally don't think Tansut is lying.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

As far as I know, he hasn't gotten anything wrong. He teased Cloud, talked about the Grinch leak, and teased DQ content, and was brief about all of those things.

Since he hasn't really spoken much on the topic over the course of the past 4 years or so it doesn't seem like he's doing it for attention. I still don't know how this will pan out, but I personally don't think Tansut is lying.

I look at it a similar way to Verge. Verge doesn't lie. It doesn't mean his sources are perfect, on the other hand.

But yeah, that does help. I'm not sold on Erdrick entirely, but it definitely makes him feel likely.

 

[Oddball]

I apologize if this comes off as starting a fight, I just want an answer cause I've seen this opinion on both resetera and smashboards. Why do some people want Chrono so badly, then act like Erdrick has zero moveset potential? Like I get it if you're attached to a game you've played with one of the seven in it, I have my biases myself, but what does chrono bring moveset wise that makes him the seemingly all-around superior canidate? Just to close off, want who you want, but saying Erdrick is "just an anime sword boy" and then backing another "anime sword boy" is absolutely silly in my mind.

Crono is from a game that's notable for it's animated attacks and combination techs.

Erdrick's game ... he's not even visible in battles.

 

[Teeb147]

Crono is from a game that's notable for it's animated attacks and combination techs.

Erdrick's game ... he's not even visible in battles.

I think that it's better to view Erdrick as a rep for Dragon Quest, as a franchise, rather than just DQ3. (especially if we get luminary along too)
In which case there's an enormous amount to draw from. But even so, as far as retro rpgs go the 1st person view battle system is coo (notable).

Chrono Trigger was a big game and well loved in the west tho. I think it's normal to want crono. It's just weird that they didnt continue the series :/

 

[Ovaltine]

Crono is from a game that's notable for it's animated attacks and combination techs.

Erdrick's game ... he's not even visible in battles.

I honestly think that's a bit of a silly reason to denounce Erdrick while bringing Crono up. Crono is more well-known in both territories, whereas Erdrick is more known by the east. The disparity is because of how much people know the character, and more people in the west know Crono, but not Erdrick. The swordsman argument for the two of them, though, is pretty silly, and I feel people use it kinda wantonly nowadays. I think people who use that argument against Erdrick while favoring Crono don't realize that the argument is moot there. Their reasoning is likely, as I mentioned before, familiarity above all else.

There is also the move set potential argument, but as people brought up before, Erdrick has an as expansive, if not even more expansive, possible kit than Crono. That point falls rather flat, too.

 

[BZL8]

Erdrick's game ... he's not even visible in battles.

Same goes for Ness and Lucas.

 

[Deleted member]

It's pretty pathetic, to be honest. I mean you can have a civil discussion on evidence but it annoys me to no end when they try to flat out shut you down. It's disheartening and sad.

At a time it seemed like detractors wanted us to just... not talk, but theyre mostly gone now lol

I think that it's better to view Erdrick as a rep for Dragon Quest, as a franchise, rather than just DQ3. (especially if we get luminary along too)
In which case there's an enormous amount to draw from. But even so, as far as retro rpgs go the 1st person view battle system is coo (notable).

Chrono Trigger was a big game and well loved in the west tho. I think it's normal to want crono. It's just weird that they didnt continue the series :/

Chrono Trigger I think is one of those games that doesn't really need a continuation (I havent played Cross so I cant really say anything on it), however a port or remake on modern consoles I think would be great.

 

[Teeb147]

I honestly think that's a bit of a silly reason to denounce Erdrick while bringing Crono up. Crono is more well-known in both territories, whereas Erdrick is more known by the east. The disparity is because of how much people know the character, and more people in the west know Crono, but not Erdrick. The swordsman argument for the two of them, though, is pretty silly, and I feel people use it kinda wantonly nowadays. I think people who use that argument against Erdrick while favoring Crono don't realize that the argument is moot there. Their reasoning is likely, as I mentioned before, familiarity above all else.

There is also the move set potential argument, but as people brought up before, Erdrick has an as expansive, if not even more expansive, possible kit than Crono. That point falls rather flat, too.

Definitely more expansive since Erdrick could also use other weapons, as well as different kinds of magic and abilities.
It's too bad some people dont look very far to base some arguments (like the generic sword one).

At a time it seemed like detractors wanted us to just... not talk, but theyre mostly gone now lol

Chrono Trigger I think is one of those games that doesn't really need a continuation (I havent played Cross so I cant really say anything on it), however a port or remake on modern consoles I think would be great.

A lot of people want a proper sequel. And it'd be worth making, honestly.

 

[Ovaltine]

Definitely more expansive since Erdrick could also use other weapons, as well as different kinds of magic and abilities.
It's too bad some people dont look very far to base some arguments (like the generic sword one).

Eh, I can guarantee you that people don't look that far into it because 1) they've never really looked at Erdrick and given his move set potential a fair shot, and 2) he's not their most wanted. I may prefer Geno and all, but Erdrick's move set potential is awesome, he's extremely iconic, DQ is a world-changing phenomenon in the east, and so on and so forth. People would be silly to think that he doesn't deserve Smash inclusion.

Luminary never deserves it, though, until he takes a freaking shower and washes his stank greasy hair.

 

[NomadLuminary]

Eh, I can guarantee you that people don't look that far into it because 1) they've never really looked at Erdrick and given his move set potential a fair shot, and 2) he's not their most wanted. I may prefer Geno and all, but Erdrick's move set potential is awesome, he's extremely iconic, DQ is a world-changing phenomenon in the east, and so on and so forth. People would be silly to think that he doesn't deserve Smash inclusion.

Luminary never deserves it, though, until he takes a freaking shower and washes his stank greasy hair.

His hair is fabulous

 

[Ovaltine]

His hair is fabulous

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GREASY BOY

THAT A GREASY BOY

NO ONE CAN CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT THIS

Head and Shoulders would like a sponsorship for DQ XI S.

 

[TheYungLink]

I personally don't want a Chrono sequel unless

1. Yuji Horii, Hironobu Sakaguchi, and Akira Toriyama all come back,
2. They have a solid idea they're confident about on what this new game should be, and
3. Characters are kept to a small amount like in the first game so they all get adequate character development, to avoid another Chrono Cross situation where barely any of the 40-ish characters are developed.

Masato Kato doesn't have to come back but Yasunori Mitsuda's return would be appreciated, but in either case I think new people can step in.

Chrono Trigger was a one of a kind game that I sincerely think can't happen again, the circumstances were too perfect and it almost feels like destiny that everything came together so well. So I don't really want another Chrono game and have moved onto other stuff.

As for Crono as a playable character, I'd be okay with them as a Mii costume, weirdly enough. The Mii Swordfighter already has a few recovery specials that resemble some techs of his, both the spinning slash (Hero's Spin) and the jump dive (Stone Scabbard). The wind slash he does could be represented with Gale Strike. Stuff like that. Crono would only be missing his lightning magic which is admittedly a bit of a shame, but it's workable enough for me if it were to happen.

 

[NomadLuminary]

I personally don't want a Chrono sequel unless

1. Yuri Horii, Hironobu Sakaguchi, and Akira Toriyama all come back,
2. They have a solid idea they're confident about on what this new game should be, and
3. Characters are kept to a small amount like in the first game so they all get adequate character development, to avoid another Chrono Cross situation where barely any of the 40-ish characters are developed.

Masato Kato doesn't have to come back but Yasunori Mitsuda's return would be appreciated, but in either case I think new people can step in.

Chrono Trigger was a one of a kind game that I sincerely think can't happen again, the circumstances were too perfect and it almost feels like destiny that everything came together so well. So I don't really want another Chrono game and have moved onto other stuff.

As for Chrono as a playable character, I'd be okay with them as a Mii costume, weirdly enough. The Mii Swordfighter already has a few recovery specials that resemble some techs of his, both the spinning slash (Hero's Spin) and the jump dive (Stone Scabbard). The wind slash he does could be represented with Gale Strike. Stuff like that. Crono would only be missing his lightning magic which is admittedly a bit of a shame, but it's workable enough for me if it were to happen.

As I've kind of mentioned a while back, I think Cronos inclusion is possible of we got Erdrick in first. Since Cronos represents a collaboration of FF and DQ creators, it would be perfect if that was the case.