Woof! Like usual, I don’t play during working hours (I’m in California). I have a window of a few hours around this time on weeknights, and more time on weekends for analysis.
Hi FateShirou, welcome to Dgames! Always happy to see new people!
Right on time.
Oh great idea! I love mass claims please please can I go first??
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Just kidding. How about NOOOOOOOOOO???
Pre post edit: What’s with all the claiming???? Boo.
Grr.
This is probably NAI, I’ve learned that some people don’t read the rules, others quickly forget them anyway. Why so quick to assign town points for this?
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Boooooo.
I’ve only played two games with Swiss, it’s the most recent two, Wam’s Chaos and New D3 if you want to read through them they're not too long. He had similar LAMIST-type openings in both (and was town in both).
If the demons somehow have a useful role why couldn't they just false claim a role?
Re your comment to me. You posted this at 1:35pm PDT. I don’t play during work hours, California (PDT) time. I stated this in my first
post in the previous game (New D3). And in my first
post in the game before that one (Wam’s Chaos). And I say this somewhere in almost every game I play. For ten years, almost half of them with you, have you forgotten this already?
Interesting, what would stop scum from breadcrumbing a false claim? Or potential false claim(s) so they could point to it later?
I actually like this opening post for the most part. The one thing that does not make sense is their dislike of a mass claim, even though they give the impression they read all the rules and read laser's post. Meaning they would know this set up makes for that. So there isn't a reason to find this scummy in this game.
There's also something else worth noting here but this next post has to be looked at first.
I am in principle against unprovoked D1 claims. More so power claims, because I feel that mass claiming on D1 is against the spirit of the game. If I had an easily searchable archive of old games, I could probably find at least a half a dozen references where I have discussed this previously. [Note to self: Meta Mafia II almost ready to post finish it up.] And I say this as someone who is a very mechanical player that enjoys late game power role strategizing. But I also enjoy the unknowns of early game (and add the usual stuff about protecting town PRs, anti-claim mechanics, etc).
For this particular setup, the roles are very likely mostly harmless, and there is no night kill, so protecting PRs isn’t an issue. However, I still feel it would have been fun to let some of the powers be revealed as the game progressed, instead of having a D1 mass claim.
For the record, I have a bunch of one-shot gifts that I can give, some of which will be apparent in thread similar to FateShirou’s power. My power should be confirmable sometime after 7:00 am Central European Summer Time.
In the context of this particular setup, why are you so insistent that everyone claim so early in the game?
This question was for somitomi. Why didn’t you let him answer it?
Note: somitomi responded to my post in his #116, but did not respond to the question that LaserGuy answered for him. He answered a similar (but not the same) question asked by Sabrar.
Maven’s not a newbie. I played my first game with Maven on xkcd in 2017, and he had been playing on Smashboards before, though I don’t know for how long. And as I said, I think reading/comprehending/retaining the rules is NAI. But my opinion aside, it seems premature to me to label Maven town so early in the game and based on that one post, like perhaps you’re looking for a reason to do so?
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Interesting, since you missed in your next post #120 that Swiss already claimed.
Also, you did not answer my question to you in #107.
I just wanna highlight this BECAUSE IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND VERY TRUE!!!
Bessie mentions a dislike of claiming power roles, specifically pointed out posts of Swiss's, yet ignored their fake claim. Why not grill Swiss over his claim if its such a problem?
Yet Laser gets issues taken with it for really no reason.
I guess your interpretation that a reset is a change is valid. However, you being suspicious of Swiss for having this power is not, because the mod stated that the roles were randomized to the alignments.
[Note that I am making an assumption that this is not a ******* game and that everything in the OP is in modvoice and therefore true, but I have no reason to suspect otherwise.]
It is Sabrar’s usual playstyle to try to find the most logical strategy to guarantee a win utilizing game mechanics and power roles, even if it is somewhat counterintuitive. I had the perfect example to link and just searched the Wayback Machine for it but alas it is not archived (X Men Mafia). I don’t have an example from this forum because most of the games here tend to be low in power roles, and have normal game mechanics. So I can see Sabrar theorizing about this in thread as any alignment.
She/her.
I picked Sabrar just because, and picking Sabrar was not in any way an alignment read. I have more gifts of equal or less utility so I didn’t see any reason not to use one for fun.
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Again talks about Swiss's power, defending them. However Bessie compared her power to Fate's and sill thought he was scum. Meaning at this point, there's no reason to think fate or swiss could be of different alignment, but that's not what alluded to here, as Bessie seems against fate for similar reasons they appear to like the Swiss slot.
Yet Fate flipped town and this hasn't seemed to change Bessie's mindset.
Daily catch up.
Noting this for now, because I might want to come back to it later.
Interesting that you would use this in making your read; it's like the easiest thing to fake. It refers to OOG content and can't be verified.
Just noting that I don't agree with this. I think early unprompted claiming is very LAMIST and suspicious, however I know that some have this view, and at least it is something that is observable in thread, unlike your earlier comment on Darkpit.
So you think your top two scum reads aren't aligned? Nice hedge.
Please explain how my content so far this game differs from my early content in D1 of Wam’s game (New D3 is a little different because of the points gambit I was pulling more quotes than I usually do to assign + points).
[Note: Sabrar asked the same question.]
Let's have your detailed reasons to back up that vote.
Note that this evaluation is in retrospect. It is much easier to judge what content was useful in a game that is already completed, than in a game where we are still on D1. Interesting though considering that we are in D1 that you already can make a judgement on what in my content is useful and what is not.
See above, NewD3 is not a reasonable comparison because I was posting excess content to support my gambit; and some of that content didn’t necessarily move the game forward, there was just more of it.
Re my posts thus far in the game, I think that my suspicions are not obvious in my content but this is pretty typical of me; they are there with a careful reading. I suspect that you are trying to downplay my content because you don’t like the direction my thoughts are going.
#107
I don’t like mass claims, and LaserGuy pings me for suggesting it.
Swiss pings me for assigning town points to Maven for something that I believe is NAI.
Swiss LAMIST which usually pings me, but this is normal for him.
somitomi gives me a serious ping for reasons I am thinking about so I asked him a question, which he didn’t answer because LaserGuy jumped in and answered it for him.
FateShirou small ping. Note to those that don’t know me, I often use the word “interesting” to denote pings. Interestingly, LaserGuy should know this.
#171
Detailed reply to LaserGuy’s re claiming with extra meta context because not everyone in this game knows me.
LaserGuy gives me a serious ping for answering a question I had for somitomi.
Explain to Swiss why he pings me re Maven, also Maven is not a newbie.
Fluffy dog pic.
FateShirou pings me, he claims to be keeping track of claims, but has missed Swiss’s claim; he also did not answer my question.
Very important meta information.
#197
FateShirou’s reply to me does not make sense, ping.
Explanation as to why I answered LaserGuy’s question the way I did.
Serious ping to LaserGuy for attempting to justify why it wasn’t necessary for somitomi to answer my question.
Somitomi ping because his reply to me doesn’t make any sense.
Me claiming in my fluffy style.
Serious ping to FateShirou because he suspects Swiss for his role, which is random and NAI.
#208
Explanation/reinforcement of my FateShirou ping.
Meta information on Sabrar which was requested by Darkpit.
Response to Darkpit.
Fluffy dog pic.
#212
Response to Sabrar, I am suspicious of LaserGuy but it isn’t very clear in this post; possible Sabrar would pick up on it (and perhaps LaserGuy).
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Deadline is Friday night and the phase will end whether we vote or not. Like LaserGuy said, we usually use all the time, especially in D1. Early hammers are viewed with suspicion unless there is a consensus.
Thank you Z25 for replacing.
The dog pics are not a hint or breadcrumb in any way to my role.
OOG but sorta relevant: Last year I was new here and I still had a dog clipart for my avatar. Now that I am more comfortable with this site and the people I met here, I am posting my dog pics to emphasize my content as I occasionally did on my home site. Most of the pics are of my actual dogs. My avatar and the pics of the lab with dark eyes is the late BessieDog, the greatest thing ever in the whole world. The stockier lab with the lighter color eyes is Hoku, my current bundle of mischief.
Reads list to follow.
I like the creation of a reads list here, but we don't see more reads in the same format down the line.
Returning to something in my previous post re somitomi.
Claims thus far:
I had tried to question somitomi on fake claims, because his claim stands out to me. It is the only claim that mentions an alignment, or that targets a specific alignment. I am suspicious that this is a false claim and that somitomi was trying to claim a townie power.
I am suspicious of LaserGuy for answering my question to somitomi re demons false claiming, and for attempting to justify why it wasn’t necessary for somitomi to answer my question.
Woof
bessie
Darkpit54
Sabrar
FrozenFlame
Swiss
Maven89/Z25
FateShirou
LaserGuy
somitomi
Grr
##somitomi
This is actually an intriguing point on Somi. If somi flipped scum, I would say Bessie looks a bit better. At the same time, there is no reason I can think of to fake claim this game. Although early day one, it seems several people weren't reading the rules, or pretended to. So scum somi may have made a mistake and tried to get by with it.
Daily catch up.
Ok, interesting.
You’re missing my point, which is that you’re giving town points to someone for a remark that is very easy to fake because it can’t be verified. Your reason feels forced to me.
I want to say Peaceful Whale claimed as town in Crossover and as mafia in another game I can’t remember but I think it was Refrigerator mafia, which is a game I haven’t started working on yet. My encyclopedic mafia memory is faltering after a year and a half (I have discussed this somewhere on this site recently) but I will think about it, I just don’t want to use the hours before deadline searching old games. So for right now I will concede that you currently have more supporting data than I do.
I did that’s why I noted that Sabrar asked the same question.
And that you are being subjectively selective in your groupings.
I’ve presented my analysis, and a summary of my analysis because you didn’t comprehend the original, and like I pointed out before, I feel you are downplaying my content because you don’t like where my analysis is leading me.
Interesting you scum read me for content that you don’t want to take the time to read carefully.
This from the person that had blocked my attempts to question somitomi. You mean I’m digging into people you don’t want me looking at.
So, you are confirming I am correct in that you were not completely accurate in your role claim? I need to think about your revised claim.
Your question refers to what I have been pondering. I tried to question you on this earlier, when LaserGuy answered my question to you and attempted to justify why it wasn’t necessary for you to answer my question yourself.
Hey, not every dog picture is fluff! Fluffy maybe, but not necessarily fluff. I sometimes like to use the dog pics to denote agreement or skepticism and I thought it was obvious when I did this but maybe not.
You keep bringing up that you are suspicious of FrozenFlame because of his role, and it has been pointed out many times that roles are NAI. I have already said that I am suspicious of you for this reason.
Interesting your perspective on this. There are other targeted actions in this game that aren't kills. I’ve already used one.
Can you honestly tell me that you think nitpicky focus is out of the range of someone that has been known to tunnel people based on their confirmation posts??
Roles are NAI. Roles were determined, then alignments were randomly assigned to roles, like I keep reminding FateShirou. It’s in the OP and has been much discussed in thread.
How would Swiss using his power clear him as town? He can reset the vote in the first half of the day it’s a power that does nothing substantial because we have two and a half days to revote.
I believe the intent of most (if not all) of the powers is that they don’t have a lot of effect on the game like FateShirou’s, putting an asterisk next to somitomi’s name doesn’t affect his vote in any way. And the powers that do something like the bus driver just swap vanillaish powers to other players. All powers are NAI.
Ok but powers are NAI so I still don’t see what you think using a power would clear.
Back in a bit.
Laser V Bessie is pretty natural and both sides make sense. At the time I was town reading Laser because Laser didn't have any behavior that felt out of the ordinary for him. He did seem to be trying to me, even if not everyone agreed with his ideas. So I don't think Bessie looks bad here. Still I feel like if they were scum reading Somi, they should have stuck to that. It would have confirmed without a doubt that Laser was scum, rather then risk the Laser lynch at that currently time.
If bessie is scum, it could have just been an opportune time to kill two birds with one stone, by taking advantage of Laser's content, then going after Somi. That's all speculative though.
I'm here.
Yes that’s what I was saying, I believe most if not all of the powers are supposed to be vanillaish. Even if FateShirou didn’t claim his power and target, how’s it going to help you solve the game if you find it out?
What do you want to talk about? I feel I have been open with my thoughts. I think I caught something odd in somitomi’s claim, he also made an early comment about demons keeping secret their roles. When I try to poke somitomi on what he thinks about the demons false claiming, LaserGuy answers for him. Ok hmmmm. I point out that this question was for somitomi, and LaserGuy says that my point was trivial and he didn’t feel it was important who answered. No. I wanted somitomi to answer, and that was the reason.
I have since established that somitomi’s claim was not completely accurate, as I suspected.
I feel LaserGuy has been deliberately misrepresenting my content. I think he is trying to distract from my early ping on somitomi.
FateShirou, I am suspicious of you because of your suspicion of FrozenFlame for his role. I am a little suspicious of Z25 because of some things he had said about the role mechanics, but Z25 replaced and hasn’t been thinking about the game mechanics for five days like everyone else so he gets a bit of an allowance for that.
Ninja'd by the extension.
-Again knows powers are vanilla, had no reaction to Swiss's fake claim and has kinda of ignored their content to focus on Laser and Somi. They also are way off on Laser, but there's nothing that really shows they learned from that. They had someone who was completely honest with their claim, suggested the mass claim, that would expose somi having some miss information.
Yet in this scenario, Laser is somehow more scum to Bessie? I don't see any reason why Bessie would abandon a strong scum read with a lot backing it, for laser, a slot that can't compare tbh.
So this logic doesn't tract, if anything, I could see this as scum theatrics and Bessie potentially protecting Somi hard, under the pretense of yeeting an actual townie.
somitomi post analysis
#23 RVS FateShirou, notes that roles are weak and unrelated to alignment.
#33 Unvotes, claims a role that is related to alignment.
#96 Likes Darkpit, responds to questions and Swiss’s comment about wagoning him.
#97 Comment that demons would want to keep their role a secret, prods me (although he knows I am at work).
#116 Replies to some questions re fake claiming (not mine), responds to a different question from me.
#126 Responds to comments by FateShirou, defensive over comment by Swiss re eliminating FateShirou.
#165 Responses to Swiss, Frozen re false claiming; no opinion on Sabrar.
#177 Response to FateShirou, Frozen, and me re false claiming, doesn’t think scum would claim a made up power; Sabrar has not made an impression.
#216 Responds to Swiss; says he will have to read Sabrar because he still has no opinion; responds to me re inconsistencies in his responses re false claiming; responds to Darkpit re sanctioning thoughts.
#244 Response to FateShirou re his power; caught a shroop (Darkpit re me).
#246 Darkpit, LaserGuy townie, no scum reads.
#285 Questions Sabrar on why he didn’t claim; responds to FateShirou’s question as to who he would vote for and says he would OMGUS vote me; revises his role claim in response to my questioning him on it (and is very defensive about it).
#303 Votes FateShirou for weirdness (looking for reason to vote?).
#326 Responds to FateShirou, is mildly concerned LaserGuy is sheeping his vote.
#332 Confirms he received FateShirou’s cookie.
#337 Responds to FateShirou and Swiss.
#353 Unvotes and claims he never wanted to eliminate FateShirou; responds to Swiss.
#356 Votes Swiss, claims he is sheeping someone’s case (who? Unclear, but Frozen is the only person voting for Swiss at this point.).
#435 Responds to me re my ping over his claim (and misses why I was suspicious); responds to FateShirou re his voting (somi claims to have no strong reads).
#440 Concerned that LaserGuy is buddying him; explains his votes on FateShirou and Swiss (claims both were weak); thinks Laser might be scum, suspicious of me to a lesser extent.
#441 EBWOP.
#446 Votes bessie for being off; questions Frozen’s scum picks of Darkpit/Swiss/Laser (then why was he sheeping Frozen's Swiss vote?); responds to Laser re buddying comment (Laser’s town reading him, answered a question for him, sheeped his vote on FateShirou).
#449 Responds to my explanation on what I found suspicious in his claim (continues to miss why I had my initial ping, deliberate?). Tries to turn the conversation to the would-I-do-this-as-scum?? meta argument.
#450 Would-LaserGuy-do-this-as-my-buddy?? meta argument. Somi says LaserGuy is in his townreads??
#452 Responds to FateShirou that he still thinks LaserGuy might be scum.
#454 Signing off, might not be back before deadline.
Analysis
1. somitomi completely fails to understand my initial ping; I explained several times so I think this is deliberate. He also fails to recognize that his reactions are reinforcing my suspicion.
2. somitomi’s votes have all been for weak scum reads (he has said that his vote for FateShirou and Swiss were weak and he was sheeping with the Swiss vote, and in #441 he claims his suspicion of me is to a lesser extent than Swiss).
3. somitomi is concerned LaserGuy is buddying him and claims that he is scum reading LaserGuy, but has not voted for him.
4. somitomi ends the day with a vote on me in #446 for “wine-adjacent and gut-feely” reasons, even though in #440 I was a weak suspicion (lesser than Swiss) and Laser was a possible scum read.
I would vote for somitomi or LaserGuy because I think they are aligned.
Bessie goes off on a full breakdown on why Somi is scum. Refuses to stick to voting for them. For somi to seemignly be their strongest scum read and not vote for them, screams to me that was a show.
I'm here.
This is what I mean by revised.
Revise (verb)
1 to amend or alter
2 to alter something already written or printed, in order to make corrections, improve, or update
I mean that something was changed, in this case a word, which is the word that originally pinged me. somitomi’s original claim pinged me because his was the only claim that mentioned a specific alignment. I explained this. somitomi revised/amended/altered his claim to be more precise, the wording of which in itself would not have pinged me. But his reaction which included a would-I-do-this-as-scum comment I feel confirms my suspicions that he is scum.
This is not the only reason I suspect somitomi. He is voting for me which is whatever but I was not even his strongest scum read, not that he has any. His previous vote for Swiss was sheeping someone. He claims to be suspicious of LaserGuy but is not voting for him.
I already said I would switch to LaserGuy if needed to secure an elimination because I feel they are both scum.
Hell here they complain Somi is not voting their top scum, but Bessie does the same thing by voting Laser.
Its very contradictory.
Also for note, Sanction phase, Bessie completely ignores anything about Somi at this point. Instead they go on to talk about how concerned they are over Dark Pit now. Such as shown here:
My concern right now about sanctioning Darkpit is that he hasn’t posted since Sunday and might not be following the game closely. He also has missed his opportunity for discussion and asking questions this phase. If we sanction him, does he have a good enough grip on the game to solve if there is a judgement?
I think it was only the one game. You said my content didn’t feel the same as usual, but to gage someone as "usual" I think you really need at least a few games (noted, that you have spectated other games). And I don’t expect players to read other games to use for meta, unless it is something that they want to do.
I like Darkpit for townieness but see above for my reservations. I like Sabrar for ability to choose correctly in judgement. I am rereading now, concentrating on FrozenFlame and Z25 but will also reread to get an idea of who else I could support for sanction.
I will try to be awake at deadline, but it’s midnight my time and I got almost no sleep last night. The dog has to be confined in his crate and he’s wearing a cone so my whole night was being woken up by him banging his cone on the side of the crate, and whimpering.
Ninja’d by FateShirou. You have an unanswered question from me in #556.
Yes the Banish phase is different, but why ignore the flip from the day prior, and why never discuss your scum reads?
Ok. Gut reads list without a reread, up to the post I’m quoting.
Woof
Darkpit/Red Ryu
HeuristicCheese
Z25
Frozen Flame
FateShirou
somitomi
Grr
For Darkpit there’s not a lot to work with so mostly my overall impression form phase 1.
[Pre post edit Red Ryu as done a lot of catching up, from my initial read Red Ryu can stay at the top of my list.]
I’m still working on my read of Z25 vs Frozen, Z25 is currently higher in my list because I like his overall content.
Roles are vanilla and random to alignment, so it doesn’t make any sense to false claim. This has been discussed extensively.
That reminds me I still have a bunch of one-shot gifts I forgot about because they’re pretty worthless, if anyone wants one.
Somewhat, I had a secret meta reason, but because I outed it in the
previous game it is no longer fully reliable.
From my opening
post in this game:
I don’t usually do wagon analysis because I doubt the usefulness in a regular game. This is a little different though because of the sanction mechanic. I still don’t see there is much to get from it because there was no viable counterwagon except Darkpit, who was being pushed by Sabrar.
Haha, is this a reference to my Meta Mafia game?
[I modded a Meta Mafia game a few years ago and the posting restriction of the player that was playing as Heury was to use haha often, and never lol.]
Thank you for getting this posted before you went V/LA for the weekend.
We should have about 30 hours remaining. somitomi already said he would be gone for the weekend, and deadline is very early Monday morning in his time zone (Europe). If we have another 24 hours then he has Monday night to post.
FINALLY someone gets it.
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Despite minimal interactions that show any issues between the two slots, Bessie has Fate near the bottom of their reads list. Somi is there to, but there will be no effort on Bessie's part to get rid of Somi, when they had such a big breakdown of posts on the slot.
ok
this is excellent
i have a susipicion that you bessie are unable to come up with theories or any content what-so-ever because you are scum and you know our alignment
why is fate scum, why is ff scum and why is somi scum
go a bit further why do you read darkpit as your highest town rating?
Interesting. I have a suspicion that this response is because you do not like your placement on my list. How about you come up with some reasons you think I am scum, instead of just throwing out an accusation?
And, um, is my placement of somitomi on the bottom of my list like a total complete surprise to you? You really never saw any indication in my content that I might be scum reading him? Or to a lesser extent you? Have you even read anything I have posted or are you ignoring all my content because you don't like my style?
Reads.
Darkpit/Red Ryu
I do not usually spend a lot of time analyzing my town reads so there won’t be much to this read. I would normally have had an early ping because Darkpit was the first to claim, and I generally don’t like early D1 claiming, but as has been discussed this game is not normal mafia mechanics. Most of Darkpit’s early content was general and not on specific players, but content improves on page 4 where he starts digging into Swiss for his reads. Darkpit continues with more game mechanics discussion, he is thinking about judgement, and I like the thinking ahead. I like Red Ryu’s catch up posts on pages 16-17, that he started at the beginning of the game and is giving his reads on the content as he is reading without taking into account the flips.
HeuristicCheese (Swiss/HeuryAlone)
Swiss’s early content (the LAMIST type remarks, and putting himself at the bottom of his town-scum list) are things he has done in the games I previously played with him and I feel they are NAI for Swiss (I haven’t played with Swiss where he was scum). Before Swiss got busy with RL he posted a daily catch up post with his current town-scum list, I like this because in keeping this list he is making a read on every player every day, so we always know what he is thinking. I am noting that on D1 Swiss was tied for leading the votes but did not make a self-preservation vote in #319 to the other vote leader which was FateShirou, and instead voted for somitomi (review this after any of these players flip). I like Heury’s entrance #498 he’s thinking about the game mechanics. Note that HeuristicCheese was the first vote for Sabrar D2. Thinking more about post #612, I don’t think there is anything useful to be gained from this post count analysis but I like that HeuristicCheese is trying out a different analysis (see also 643). I am currently town leaning HeuristicCheese but they need some reads and a town-scum list and not just game mechanics discussion or they will move down on my list.
Maven/Z25
I had Maven as neutral; I felt his early posts (not reading the rules, claiming) that he was being town read for were NAI. For Z25 I had an early ping from some things he posted re roles, and that it seems to take a while for Z25 to get that roles were randomized to alignments. Related to this was Z25’s early suspicion of Swiss for not proving his power on D1 and clearing himself, when this would have been NAI since the roles were randomized. I thought initially Z25 was going to try to make a meta read on me (he said my content hadn’t felt the same as usual) which would have been suspicious because we only played one game together and Z25 claimed they hadn’t visited the DGames forum recently, but he cleared this up and said that he had followed other games. I like that with his D1 vote of Swiss Z25 gave analysis and reasons for his vote. Re D2 Z25’s analysis of Frozen, I don’t agree with #502 that the quoted posts were scummy, I read the early game aggression as opposite. I agree with #503 that Frozen moving his vote to Laser instead of Swiss is suspicious in retrospect, because it appeared FateShirou was going to be the D1 elimination. I like Z25’s response in #538 (not as much #540). I feel Z25’s content has been good in that he is asking and responding to questions and am leaning town.
Frozen Flame
Frozen starts D1 with aggressive content and early reads, I like that with his suspicions he gives reasons, and I feel the early aggression moved the game forward. Frozen questions somitomi on false claiming (similar to my early questioning). Most of Frozen’s D1 suspicion is of Swiss, but he is also questioning other players. There is some interesting interaction between Frozen and Darkpit and I’m not yet sure what to make of it (review page 5-6 after either flips). Frozen has extended periods where he is absent for a couple days (but so do others). Frozen returns near deadline #360 and switches his vote from Swiss to LaserGuy (it appears he is still scum reading both). FateShirou follows this vote and Frozen is hard townreading FateShirou. Frozen is thinking about the sanction and judgement mechanics early in the game which I like. D2 re Frozen’s reply to Z25 starting at #529, I find his overall reaction interesting. I believe Frozen makes some valid points like his response to the accusation of throwing shade in early game, but I think he weakens his argument when he accuses Z25 of doing the same thing. I feel Frozen’s response to Z25 in #542 is an overreaction; Z25 did have some valid points. In retrospect, I find the D1 vote switch to LaserGuy suspicious because FateShirou and somitomi appeared to be more likely eliminations (even though Sabrar and I both had expressed suspicion of LaserGuy) so I think this will need to be looked at more closely after any of these players flip.
FateShirou
I had an early ping on FateShirou for his claim that he was keeping track of claims, but missed that Swiss claimed. FateShirou did not respond to my early question re false claims and needed to be prodded to answer (as he needed prods to answer other questions and not just from me), and when he did answer the answer didn’t make sense. On D1 FateShirou was suspicious of Swiss based on his role (vote related power), this was discussed extensively and it took until D2 before FateShirou dropped this reason for suspecting Swiss (and interestingly he didn’t ask Swiss to confirm his power on D2). FateShirou was also suspicious of FrozenFlame for his role (bus driver). I feel FateShirou was looking for easy excuses to label Swiss and Frozen scum; the fact that he did it twice and took until D2 to drop it is very suspicious. FateShirou made an error in #509 where he tris to cast suspicion on Swiss for voting Laser on D1, but Swiss didn’t vote for LaserGuy. FateShirou is suspicious of me for my posting style but again I think that his complaints are just an excuse to make a scum read, in pointing out the style and not the content. Leaning scum.
somitomi
For my D1 suspicion on somitomi, refer to my analysis in post #457.
Moving to D2, I feel that it took too long for somitomi to understand what I originally found suspicious in his claim, and that he still does not understand why I was suspicious of his reaction to this line of questioning, and I feel this is deliberate. I think it is unfortunate that he will be V/LA for the remainder of the phase (barring extension) but I do like that somitomi made #645 before he left for the weekend.
Here starts their Fate "Push". Fate is labeled scum for basically bein supcious of FF and Swiss, because of their abilities. Meanwhile, the biggest scum read Bessie had on Somi reasons. They thought Somi's ability sounded bull ****. So when someone else does this, its a scum tell?
Makes no sense from a town perspective sorry. Also this implies Swiss and FF didn't already have their problems, which is is non sense as there were a lot of problems with both slots that people had in this thread. So a die hard town read on both of them seems very unrealistic, and then to think someone is scum for suspecting those slots, comes across as Bessie protect potential mates.
The most beneficial elimination for scum is town. Do you know somitomi is town?
Do you have an actual case on FrozenFlame ore are you just throwing out a vote to see if it gains any traction?
We have hours until deadline why are you always so anxious for everyone to vote?
My first choice for the elimination was somitomi, I was voting for somitomi before the extension.
#360 Frozen votes for LaserGuy (somitomi was leading the votes).
#385 Sabrar votes for LaserGuy.
#404 LaserGuy extends the deadline.
#457 My detailed analysis of somitomi, I'm also suspicious that somitomi is aligned with LaserGuy.
#458 FateShirou votes to LaserGuy (somitomi has 1 vote and LaserGuy has 3).
#474 I switch to ensure an elimination in case there is a tie (4 minutes remaining).
This question is to Sabrar. He’s sanctioned and can’t post in thread.
Yes, they were on Somi for a while. Isn't it convenient how they just defended FF basically, when FF was a big part of switching the somi lynch to a laser one? Again though, they have such a big read on Somi, but did nothing with it this last phase.
So I'm sorry, I don't buy that Bessie fully believes Somi is scum here. It really isn't adding up.
I would read your posts. But play in whatever style gives you enjoyment. I’m suspicious of your content in this post not for your style, but because I’m always suspicious of LAMIST type posts.
Yes I do think they can be teammates. Read end of D1, at post #327 FateShirou is leading the votals. The vote moves from FateShirou to somitomi, and ends on LaserGuy.
FateShirou
can you respond to FrozenFlame’s #703 and #705?
My voting pool is FateShirou, somitomi, and FrozenFlame.
Bessie states they are suspicious of Fate's post content, but hasn't really delved into this before switching to voting them. Most of the interactions between these two slots have been them asking random questions, and not accepting each other's answers, despite neither slide really having bad answers.
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So overall, while I really liked the early game from Bessie, they've shown to not care about their hardest reads, their logic towards each slots dipped between days. , and despite having such strong scum vibes on a slot the whole game; they decided to ignore pushing for that slot to go target two other slots that flipped town.
Regardless of their alignment, I can't say their later content screams town. It doesn't add up from that perspective, and they have shown twice that two vital town flips don't matter to their reads. Bessie is hiding their reads behind Somi, and then going forth and targeting whoever they feel like that day instead. Which is not town behavior imo.
