Z25, if you're town, I understand why you're coming at me for the laser banish, but you're very obviously analyzing my play through a lens of presumption that I'm informed and was trying to "shade" him and its just not ****ing true. you're interpreting everything I did in the worst possible light, and applying a literal double standard to your analysis of darkpits play, its gross
also its pretty insulting that you think I would open buddy Fate as mate that I've literally never played with before. like not in a personal sense insulting but I'm a better scum player than making the decision to open buddy a complete wild card who could make gross missteps and sink me with them, that's just insanely risky and EVEN MORE RISKY in a format like this
anyway, abridged PBPA:
not throwing shade, literally just calling it as I see it. swiss is one of the most aggro and least courteous players I've ever played with, and that's literally intentional on his part. I've played tons of games with swiss, when he does something off meta it sticks out to me and him opening up the game with a deferential/apologetic tone was WAY off base for him. but I guess rules for thee, not for me right? you basing your read of darkpit entirely on meta isn't suss at all and is totally cool and fine and obvtown
how is commenting that sabrar self voting had the provacative effect he likely intended "trying to frame" Sabrar? this is completely disingenuous, bro you're the one baseless throwing shade here. Sabrar didn't even deny that he made his first post a self vote as an intentionally curious move. If sabrar didn't feel like he was being framed, where are you getting it from? or just more doing that which you accuse others of doing?
if you're just convinced that fate and I are mates I can see why this would look suss to you but I'm literally just giving a new player a tip because if he is town its pro town EV for him to not spoonfeed the scum everything he's thinking and everything he is inclined to do, you're just asking to get snowed if you do that
explain, when literally prompted, that I was overfocused on sabrars opening post because it seemed way off meta for him and further explaining that I didn't think it made him scum, just that it was living in my head rent free, is somehow "targeting" sabrar? the ****? I literally did not attack him, I explained my thought process in response to his provocative move
insane double standard here. you literally are townreading darkpit because he is "thinking out loud" with zero explanation or illustration of the point, and then you proceed to treat my moments of thinking out loud as "pointless"
for example:
literally this is the same kind of thinking out loud that you're clearing darkpit for and are trying to crucify me for
like how is this post by darkpit ANY different content wise from the post you were criticizing in the above quote?
All I said was I was townleaning maven because he has literally played exactly the way he did this game in the past games he was in and he was town every time. what else am I supposed to go on for that slot? please point to where I "hard read" maven as town, I'll wait. also, what in the world is this nonsense "FF is trying to buddy maven to take him to endgame" yarn you're trying to spin? if I was scum why on earth would I stick my neck out for an inactive townie who would probably end up getting replaced like he has in like the last 3 games he's played? maven made like what, 5 posts? and apparently I'm trying to buddy that slot for endgame dividends? the ****? there's literally no benefit for me to buddy an inactive slot as scum, I was just being open about my meta read of the slot
you love to repeat "pit is playing well" and similar vacuous but positive descriptions of his play without actually unpacking how you determined his play to actually be genuine townie. you're literally just describing his play as good/town over and over without giving reasons for it and act like we're just supposed to take your word for it. and then you just frame my play with negative descriptors, again with no explanation for the assertion. you are literally open buddying pit and baselessly throwing shade at me because I'm an easy target as the spearhead for the laser banish. and then you have the gall to accuse me of open buddying fate which I very obviously am not (and if I was its not working because fate has flipped his opinion on me multiple times this game), and accuse me of baselessly throwing shade by mischaracterizing my intentions
so I was "baselessly throwing shade" at Swiss in the early game, but now all of a sudden my vote on him was performative and I switched to laser to protect him? dude what? I was consistently pro swiss and laser yeet all day, I just didn't know which one would be the better play. Lasers play looked worse to me than swiss's by the end of the day so I went with him over swiss, how is that not a natural progression? the inconsistencies in your analysis here belies your very clear goal to take me down as a potential sanction candidate and you're using my being wrong on laser as a base to get away with assigning me motivations and maneuvers that don't ****ing exist
Well to start, buddying doesn't equal skill level. I would even say that if your teamamte was new to working with you, that's even more to reason to buddy up to them. You could justify it under the tense of getting a feel for the player in question and you would most likely be safe, at least for awhile. That's subjective of course because everyone has different play styles. But your claim about being so skilled really doesn't matter one way or another.
-There is no me holding exclusive rights to play this game. You can take issue just as much with my playstyle and I would still understand where your coming from. Regardless, my problem is less that its Swiss your talking about, more that this type of treatment gets used for others this phase, in what feels very aggro for someone day one imo. Which is exactly what I'v been doing. Stating viewpoints based on my opinion, the same you are now. The problem is, players can always switch up their style, and be completely different in a game. If you really wanted the LYnch for Swiss, you could have pushed for it in the late game of Day One. But you didn't. Instead you decided to switch kind of out of nowhere to LAser after you were not able to be here for a bit. Which would be fine, if there was natural progression. However, the wagon at that point was nowhere near Laser. So you chose to not only ignore Swiss, but you decided to target a new players as your vote choice day one.
So why? Surely you can see how this is a little odd behavior.
moving on,
You frame your response with Sabrar, as Sabrar's vote has you tunneling. Exceplet's read that definition:
Tunneling, or
Tunnel-vision, is when a player is
so convinced that another is
Scum that they are unwilling to look at other cases or consider that they might be wrong. It becomes the only thing they post about, and every post the player makes is seen as inherently super scummy.
You were saying, his self vote made you hard read him as scum. Except it didn't. You went nowhere with this thought. You decided, that the scum team was then swiss, laser, dark pit. So why would you suggest Sabrar is a scum read and then not do anything with it? You also assumed his goal was to get people to scum read him. This also mkaes no sense, from what perspective would Sabrar have to think like this?
I could give you that it is a good thing to help fate like that. Except again, you came in and just did a full 180 on your views it seemed, then tried getting others to follow. Also it doesn't matter what we do or say, as scum would see it regardless. There's no night pms and our abilities all seem useless. This wouldn't make much sense as advice other than to seem good in the town's eyes. Also if your scum, I'm not convinced Fate is your mate, but I wanted to address the possibility.
As for the pointless post. You attempted to town clear someone who used on the most common mafia tactics in general, wine. Just not wine on a big scale. MAybe this is more of your thinking out loud that hes town, but I see no way for that logic to add up here, when either alignment can and will say the same type of things if they think it helps. Hell I've done it as town and scum often enough too. Zen usually gets me voted out that way. Which is why I pointed that out, as I was familar with the concept, and have never met anyone who sees mindsets of go ahead vote for me as a town tell. Even if I personally believe it usually will be.
And I may town read Pit, but tht doesn't mean I don't think there are bad posts, like the first part of #69. 118 is also pretty pointless for example. Again, I attribute this to my own reads on him based on his newbiish meta he has. This would be a new setup for them, which I think explains some of the awakard moments here.
Pits #140 showcases how they are active in asking questions trying to gauge info. Also the point they make on Swiss's big switch here is a solid one imo. This why I don't get why you think he's acting overtly scummy. There's probkems, but I don't see how he is so high on your radar. Most of his content relates to questioning and trying to gain info rather than just thinking out loud.
Like tell me, do you really think scum pit, exploits a problem like that with his mate Swiss? I don't think so. Especially with Swiss in hot water day one anyway. Could Pit be scum? Sure, but I doubt its with Swiss. Whihc is why I don't see how you came to the conclusion on the team. And I've literally point out more of their content prior, but hopefully you can see why I trust Pit more atm then other reads. I know his meta, I've seen good enough contet, and trust him for now. Same With Sabrar, and same with LAser day one, although that doesn't matter now.
