Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
No it isn't. And these moves arent part of your moveset if they're caused by an item. I'd call you an idiot but apparantly thats against the ''rules''
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Special moves in competitive play
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Toshiba
Smash Apprentice
Koarin is far past the point of being an idiot. He is basicaly full blown ********.
And koarin, maybe we would understand you if you knew how to speak english.
And koarin, maybe we would understand you if you knew how to speak english.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Why are these forums so tight *****? On blizzforums you can be as racist as you want, and theres no stupid censor. STUPID stuff gets infracted or banned, but here if someones like
You have to be like
I fully respect your opinion, your input is valid
I respect you You're smart I guess I should reconsider playing tournaments as your valid opinion points out that only noobs attend them Thanks for posting You're a really great guy Toshiba
Smash Apprentice
Wow dylan i couldnt agree more. I say **** censors, we should be able to express ourselves to the fullest instead of having to pussyfoot around and be nice.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Thats the purpose of the internet, insulting others anonymously
-Jay and Silent Bob strike back
Its the god**** internet, as long as theres no spam, and no 12 page flame wars I dont see why mods would step in at all. They're just powertripping nazis like almost every mod you meet. On other forums Ive been on, the mods are respected, but at the same time theyre reasonable people, no one would like them if they were as strict as these forums as Im sure not many people enjoy the rules here.
My 2 cents.
Wrath`
Smash Master
Yes i know that my words usally get jumbled when i type. Sorry,i need to proofread.
You guys all come accros like your intimidated by these special moves.All of you are dead set against items.What if they were accsepted into tourny play,What would you guys do? Not play brawl?
You guys all come accros like your intimidated by these special moves.All of you are dead set against items.What if they were accsepted into tourny play,What would you guys do? Not play brawl?
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
If items were allowed in tourneys I would either find non item tournaments, or not play brawl at all.
Thats not my concern though, there wont be items in tourneys. Wavedashing is the concern on every competent players mind. No wavedash, no brawl for me.
Wrath`
Smash Master
Wave dashes are way to easy to beat with my style gannon.
Not play brawl because of items in tournys?:******:
Not play brawl because of items in tournys?:******:
From the looks of it on the trailer when you get a smash icon it goes into a cutscene where that character uses their dumb special move. If that is really the case, how the **** are we supposed to "avoid and dodge" it? Last time I checked..you couldn't control your character in cutscenes.
And no we aren't afraid or intimidated by these stupid moves, but think about it..yes think. Tournaments are held to see who has the most skill and who can use mindgames and take advantage of their character's moveset the best. You actually think its fair that one person would set you up and get you in a kickass combo (clearly showing their skill and hard work) while you just wait for a **** icon to drop and run like a little ho and pick it up and just like that you do the exact same damage or more that the other player did except it took no effort what so ever while he/she (the other player) probably practiced and worked their *** of for who knows how long to get as good as they are? That's some ****ty logic, but ok. I'll just let you think that "special moves" will be allowed in tournament play, ok? Balancing...hah. You obviously dont know what people mean when they say they want the game more balanced. Just remember this..it takes more skill to know your character inside and out, perform the advanced techs at will, and use mindgames against your opponent then just waiting and picking up a stupid icon.
Stryks
Smash Hero
I highly doubt ti will go into a cutscene, they probably made links and kirbys super, along when mario grabs the icon a cutscene so it can fit with the trailer, and also to mainly hide how the smash emblem works, I think the supers will be like in any fighting game, once u unleash it u can dodge, or have little time to get out of the way, in marios case, just when hes preparing to fight, u would be able to quickly move out of the attacks range and avoid getting hit, and while mairo is unleashing the attack u can smash him to oblivion... this is just speculation I have no idea how super works...
mario-man
Smash Lord
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I agree totally with this. I think that it was a cutscene just so it would look good in the trailer.
Yep, I expected that response. That is why I typed, "If that is really the case". Whether its a cutscene or not, I think there have been plenty of good reasons mentioned why "super moves" won't be in tournaments and not enough good reasons why there should be "super moves" in tournaments.
No need to apologize. I was just saying. And yes it is completely speculation right now as to how the smash icons will work, but regardless of their function...they wont be in tournaments. Can't they just make tournaments where items are allowed and let people who want to throw items at eachother the whole match do so?
They should do that, but keep "super moves" the hell out of serious tournaments.
Master Peach
Smash Ace
Most of you guys are ignorant. WHO SAY YOU ARE SCREWED WHEN YOUR HIT BY A SUPER!!! Man you guys keep saying that supers with give the opponent with lesser skills the edge in battle. I for one don't think so. If your as skilled as you say you are you should have no problem making a comeback on your foe and absolutely beat the crap out of him.
And who says the smash icon will come in early in the match. By the time the icon comes in you should have already killed your opponent by one stock or more. If he uses the super and kills you so what. Your still in the clear.
And just because it's an item doesn't mean jack. It's just an item that brings out the full potential of the characters. If you get caught in it too bad, cry me a river. If these supers couldn't be activated by an item but by the character themselves under certain conditions what would you do then. You can't take them out because it would be apart of the characters moveset.
I'm not a person who uses items in smash bros. They annoy the hell out of me. I play matches with my friends competitively to see each others skills, but just because they add super moves it won't change how competitively we play.
You guys are just chickens. Afraid of change, and afraid of getting your butts whooped in a match. If you have real skills you'll find a ******* way to avoid these **** moves!!
And who says the smash icon will come in early in the match. By the time the icon comes in you should have already killed your opponent by one stock or more. If he uses the super and kills you so what. Your still in the clear.
And just because it's an item doesn't mean jack. It's just an item that brings out the full potential of the characters. If you get caught in it too bad, cry me a river. If these supers couldn't be activated by an item but by the character themselves under certain conditions what would you do then. You can't take them out because it would be apart of the characters moveset.
I'm not a person who uses items in smash bros. They annoy the hell out of me. I play matches with my friends competitively to see each others skills, but just because they add super moves it won't change how competitively we play.
You guys are just chickens. Afraid of change, and afraid of getting your butts whooped in a match. If you have real skills you'll find a ******* way to avoid these **** moves!!
Atleast that way they can have their **** "items in tournaments" dream and have them throw beamswords and **** at eachother and see who can get the most pokeballs before the other. And then people who want to actually show their skill and improve their game continue to go to serious tournaments as they are now.
-Edit- And Master Peach. If they weren't activated by items then we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we, Johnny? If it's in their moveset then oh well, but if its an item..forget about it. Plain and simple.
-Edit- And Master Peach. If they weren't activated by items then we wouldn't be having this conversation now would we, Johnny? If it's in their moveset then oh well, but if its an item..forget about it. Plain and simple.
zerosin
Smash Apprentice
Either way, I'd still play Brawl. I wanna see how things have changed in it, whether for better or worse (though most likely it'll be better than worse).
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
Well, link was just kind of hacking away at the other character who was completly trapped between two triforces, seems like the newbie version of the combo, no effort required, relax and have a coffee while the super does the work for you.
Gay.
Master Peach
Smash Ace
Yeah sure he's racking up your dmg in that Special but is that an guaranteed kill. I don't think so. It would depend on how much dmg you have suffered before hand.
Toshiba
Smash Apprentice
Even so peach, someone with less skill shouldnt be given any sort of advantage anyway. Your saying we should be able to come back for the win, but in reality there shouldnt even need to be a comeback. The better player should win every single time garunteed, that would be the definition of perfect balancing.
O and just so you know, none of us are scared. I dont see why all of you feel the need to say we are scared when really we are just against something and are posting logical arguements against it.
Am i scared of a home run bat? a hammer? a green turtle shell? **** no im not scared of pixels. Do i hate them because they dont do any good for the game? Do i feel like anyone who uses them and thinks they are competitive is ********? Of course.
As far as the arguement of what if specials are part of the moves, i have already elaborated on my point many times. I feel that specials with a combo bar would take away from the originality of super smash brothers and make it something like street fighter with nintendo characters.
Theres no need for it, keep the game original. Alter the psychics for the next gen, keep the advanced tactics, add new characters, new stages, better graphics, fix movesets, and even add some items for the kids with add. But dont **** with the heart of the game i say.
O and just so you know, none of us are scared. I dont see why all of you feel the need to say we are scared when really we are just against something and are posting logical arguements against it.
Am i scared of a home run bat? a hammer? a green turtle shell? **** no im not scared of pixels. Do i hate them because they dont do any good for the game? Do i feel like anyone who uses them and thinks they are competitive is ********? Of course.
As far as the arguement of what if specials are part of the moves, i have already elaborated on my point many times. I feel that specials with a combo bar would take away from the originality of super smash brothers and make it something like street fighter with nintendo characters.
Theres no need for it, keep the game original. Alter the psychics for the next gen, keep the advanced tactics, add new characters, new stages, better graphics, fix movesets, and even add some items for the kids with add. But dont **** with the heart of the game i say.
LinkGadra
Smash Apprentice
Toshiba, have you ever heard of Puzzle Fighter? In that game, the closer you are to losing, the better your attacks become. It's not enough to let a complete amature beat a skilled opponent, but it makes matches between equally skilled players really cool to watch, with a lot of going back and forth.
I realize that Smash isn't Puzzle Fighter, but I'm all for anything that makes match videos even more amazing.
I realize that Smash isn't Puzzle Fighter, but I'm all for anything that makes match videos even more amazing.
Master Peach
Smash Ace
So if items should not be used in tournament. That saying peach shouldn't be in tournatment because of the fact she can make her own Items or pick up her Items such as Bob-omb, Mr Saturn, and the Beam Sword. In a tournament if someone with Peach picked a Bob-omb in the match and used a mind game to hit them with it to win the match, Should Peach be banned from tournament. I don't think so.
And another point you fail to see is this. 2 pro go at it. Let's say one uses shrik the other uses Marth. Marth is 2 stock ahead of the Sheik pro with heavy Dmg. All of a sudden the sheik pro make amazing come back and is victorious in his match. What do you say about that then. Are both players lesser than each other? It's the same case with the Special Move.
And another point you fail to see is this. 2 pro go at it. Let's say one uses shrik the other uses Marth. Marth is 2 stock ahead of the Sheik pro with heavy Dmg. All of a sudden the sheik pro make amazing come back and is victorious in his match. What do you say about that then. Are both players lesser than each other? It's the same case with the Special Move.
Toshiba
Smash Apprentice
No of course peach shouldnt be banned from a tournament, that is one of her actual MOVES. Not an item, but a move she can do at any time with slight chance of getting an item. The two things are completely different. Good try at twisting my words though. (even though you failed)
No it is nothing like a special move. Two pros go at it, first off, are they the exact same in terms of skill? Are they both completely equal with no room for variation? Sorry to burst your bubble buddy but the best pros like ken and isai and the such can 3 or 4 stock some of the worst "pros" who none of us have heard of. To be considered "pro" you just have to get in a certain place at an mlg, which can be attributed to any number of things, but that doesnt mean that the guy who just barely made it to pro status can beat or even nearly beat someone like ken.
Not to mention that a comeback has nothing to do with an unfair advantage. Theres a huge difference between a comeback based off of luck, skill, and taking advantage of mistakes, and a comeback based off of picking up an item.
The fact that you continue to argue about this shows me that you are the one who is afraid. Ever since hearing about specials im sure you have been biding your time till you can beat people who always beat you because you find an item. This is probably the thing you want most in the upcoming game just so you can grab it, beat someone who should beat you everytime, and laugh at them because you have no idea what balancing or skill mean. You are afraid that it wont be allowed in real competition and that most of the people who really know what they are talking about think that specials are a stupid idea.
No it is nothing like a special move. Two pros go at it, first off, are they the exact same in terms of skill? Are they both completely equal with no room for variation? Sorry to burst your bubble buddy but the best pros like ken and isai and the such can 3 or 4 stock some of the worst "pros" who none of us have heard of. To be considered "pro" you just have to get in a certain place at an mlg, which can be attributed to any number of things, but that doesnt mean that the guy who just barely made it to pro status can beat or even nearly beat someone like ken.
Not to mention that a comeback has nothing to do with an unfair advantage. Theres a huge difference between a comeback based off of luck, skill, and taking advantage of mistakes, and a comeback based off of picking up an item.
The fact that you continue to argue about this shows me that you are the one who is afraid. Ever since hearing about specials im sure you have been biding your time till you can beat people who always beat you because you find an item. This is probably the thing you want most in the upcoming game just so you can grab it, beat someone who should beat you everytime, and laugh at them because you have no idea what balancing or skill mean. You are afraid that it wont be allowed in real competition and that most of the people who really know what they are talking about think that specials are a stupid idea.
Wrath`
Smash Master
How are we afraid if we are the ones accsepting them?
Toshiba
Smash Apprentice
Wow you need to get better at reading comprehension. You are afraid that they wont be used by anyone who matters and that you wont be able to get into tournaments and win with them as you had planned.
Cisne
Smash Apprentice
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i havent read all ur post , but i saw a few times that u think that some of us are scared by the super moves owning us.
A newbie will never beat u , even with the help of 1 or 2 super moves.(VeryLow Item Spawn rate o,o?)
But an even match , where ur oponent is as good as u ~ , we all want to keep playing an even math , winning/lossing because of our skills not because an item appeared at the scenary when u were recovering or something like that
A newbie will never beat u , even with the help of 1 or 2 super moves.(VeryLow Item Spawn rate o,o?)
But an even match , where ur oponent is as good as u ~ , we all want to keep playing an even math , winning/lossing because of our skills not because an item appeared at the scenary when u were recovering or something like that
Wrath`
Smash Master
1.I have only been to one tourny
2.I could proabably whoop you without items with gannon
3.I dont plan to use them in tournys,i just said they would make them more interesting.
Dylan_Tnga
Smash Master
I figured someone would stretch this whole ''items should be in tournaments'' thing to that argument. It's a bad argument, and you fail.
Toshiba
Smash Apprentice
I never said i was amazing or anything like that koarin but i would love to take you up on your offer. Where do you live?
buddy9246
Smash Ace
Yeah, about that
1) The tourney you been to was in school and I got in 1st which you got in 4th
2) you can't be me when im jigglypuff using gannon
buddy9246
Smash Ace
Toshiba, don't waste your time on him. All he does is jump drill kick, and c-stick.
buddy9246
Smash Ace
Whoops, my apologies.
buddy9246
Smash Ace
I have never done that before so I didn't know it was a bad thing. Thanks for the warning. Seriously, thanks