Special moves in competitive play

[Dylan_Tnga]

And when brawl is on wifi(hopefully)I will show my undouted skills.

hah, soooo many noobs think when brawl comes out they will magically become Isai. It's hilarious.

I never realized that going to tourneys can actually improve your gaming. FFA does have its own skill level though. It tests your abilities against evasions, attacking, combos, etc while playing against 3 other players. If you chose to hide, then you can hide until someone realizes, "hey! get over here!.''

True say, the most skilled player will usually win a 3 person ffa, it gets a bit crowded with 4. It's just kind of hard to have a ''fair'' free for all though, sometimes people will inevitably team up on one guy, or one guy will camp, etc etc. It just muddles things. FFAs are mad fun though, hence why in tournament friendlies you see a lot of them.

FFA's aren't ''for noobs'' they just don't contain the balance that 1v1 or 2v2s have due to the teams being fair.

 

[buddy9246]

lol, I agree with you. especially since TWOK uses isai characters.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

its an annoying mindset :

Hmm well I horribly suck at melee, and have never been to a tournament (although I think Im good because I hit my friend with a bob-omb and play Roy) but when Brawl comes out everything will magically change and I'll be the best player in the world

 

[Superstar]

Hmm, in order to go from bad in Melee to good in Brawl, you would need extreme dedication, and even then you would not be as good as Isai.

I am trying to learn the advanced techs, but sadly, I live in a bad place for smashfests [I tried searching], and I have no permission to attend them anyway. Because of that, I can't do any higer level smashing.

When Brawl comes out, I am hoping for its online to be good, so that I could actually play against some good people, and get better. I wish to be on the edge of my seat. I WANT to be 4 stocked now. I want a taste of how the REALLY good people play like.

 

[Red Exodus]

Superstar we have the same problem. The only people I get to play against are a few scrubs, I'm not even sure if they even know advanced techniques exist, much less know how to airdodge. There are a few people worth playing but the scruby ones, especially the dumb ***** that never learn- c'mon, how many times does a guy have to own you for you to realize:
a) you suck
b) he is better than you [he being me and you [not directed at anyone] being me]
c) you can't get better if you never change tactics or ask questions
d) coming last =/= coming first [read the ****ing screen]
e) getting owned on your own terms shows just how much you suck
f) getting beat by character he doesn't main further shows how much you suck.

Long list, I know, but some noobs never realize those points. I rarely see people that can actually play and don't fight like level 4 computers minus the SDing.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

You have no skills ether.Makes no diffence weather yo or me say it.

Ok,i've been reading your post for a while,I feel that i should shut you the hell up now.

Your unsupported claims towards someone elses skill is completely negated when you make such an assumption,that is a simple rule in the gaming community.And even still,one can make a judgement upon your skill level,because the ones who typically suck,are the ones who talk trash and make false claims,and you seem to fit that category.

i got better in 1 on 1 using free for all,because it teaches you how to control the chaos and its fun.



I'm probably high intermediate when it comes to one on one.

You are probably not even low-intermediate because yoou are no where listed on the power rankings,and you don't have even a minor mention from any casual or professional player.On top of that,no one has even seen you play before.So how in the bloody hell do you think you can get in a ranking? By doing nothing?

]Fine if h intermediat seemed right you(in my book it's in the midle)

Out 0f 0-100 i'll give myself 56 and if your top 12 in NE it makes you in the high 70's,i'm just above the middle.

Advance n00b?You keep thinking that:******:

You know when your really good,you can rank yourself,even though no one knows that you even exist. M I RITE?

Town idiot huh?Mabey on this thread,but we can't tell real skills until you face sombody,so i cant judge your skills,and you cant judge mine.

Typical trash talking troll=No skill

You=Troll

=/

1.I have only been to one tourny
2.I could probably whoop you without items with gannon
3.I dont plan to use them in tournys,i just said they would make them more interesting.

1.Wow,you have been to1 Tournament,not even a major one,and you ranked 4th.Wow,your a beast!!
2.Lol,sure.If your nearby at anytime,play me so that I can teach you to pull your head out of your a'ss.
3.Also Unbalanced,Broken,and Cheap.Acknowledge that as well.

Ploblem is buddy,I never had a gannon jigg match with you yet and the c stick is my falco way and it seems to do the trick.Gannon is not a person i c stick with.

And i dont truly care much about 1 on 1.None of you can beat me in 4stock,4player party.Just ask buddy,i win evry time

Who CAN'T win a Free for All match? It's a complete random mess,and even professional players can be stumbled.In worse case scenarios,anyone can get jumped with ease,and the tide of the battle changes at a constant.Anyone can with a Free for All...Just camp!!

I also don't know why you must insist that we ask your imaginary"Fan Base" about your skills(Once again,another typical noob rant).Asking your friends prooves nothing at all,and if you truly had skill,it would speak or itself,and you wouldn't require the aid of one to speek up for you.

So go ahead and keep bragging about your"Friends".

You guys are just afraid someone with less skill will win with these specials,and this show you have no skill yourself if you cant find tactics to avoid and dodge them.I can understand reg items,i cream people with those,but these super moves will be a new challenge.

There is a certain point in the game in which items cannot be avoided.Yes,you can easily just 'avoid' Raiku even though it's attack takes up the whole stage while your opponent Zeros on you.It's easy to dodge explosives and guns.It's easy to avoid Unknown,it's easy to keep jumping over motion-sensor bombs everywhere.Yeah,real easy.It seems that you have less logic than I previously assumed,your just a ****ing idiot.

This is called leveling out the playing fieldb or BALENCING!!!!!

If you cant find ways to avid these moves you must suck.Skilled players will acsept and adapt

It's called GRAMMAR.Use it.

you fail sir...I bid you a good day.

I'm out.

Edit: **** COMPUTER AND THOSE FREAKIN' TYPOS. >_<

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Utterly, and completly owned in the face. ^^

 

[intensezkramer1993]

Wrath got owned...

Phoenix just brought up everything that he posted, even teaching him a lesson on ranking.Wrath.... I don't know what to say to you. I think almost every person that posted in this thread owned you. I'm sorry, but you just got....


BURNINATED!

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Wrath got owned...

Phoenix just brought up everything that he posted, even teaching him a lesson on ranking.Wrath.... I don't know what to say to you. I think almost every person that posted in this thread owned you. I'm sorry, but you just got....


BURNINATED!

I'm sorry about the grammar mistakes,my computer is a ******. >_<

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Dude, no one cares about small grammar mistakes so don't say your sorry. You use paragraphs and you capitilize the beginnings of sentences, thats enough for me (And I'd say Im really picky about the above)

Seriously, walls of text are UNREADABLE on a computer screen.

 

[Red Exodus]

R.I.P. TWOK, you'd only be asking for more if you try to fight back in this one, it's best you leave it as it is.

 

[Master Peach]

Dang TWOK got punished. TWOK I'd just take everyones advice and not respond. There's no way you can come back from this lol.

 

[Justin]

Hot ****, Eternal phoenix just bent TWOK over and had his way with him. In the straightest of ways.

Do you feel violated?

 

[petre]

Hot ****, Eternal phoenix just bent TWOK over and had his way with him. In the straightest of ways.

Do you feel violated?

hahhaahahahh, definitely needs to be sigged. funniest thing ive heard in a long time.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

One last thing TWOK,regarding the post you said about brawl,saying that you cannot wait to show your skill.

I also,cannot wait,you will be first on my "To Humiliate" List.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

One last thing TWOK,regarding the post you said about brawl,saying that you cannot wait to show your skill.

I also,cannot wait,you will be first on my "To Humiliate" List.

No man! Didnt you hear? As soon as brawl comes out, the skill levels are going to be reversed! Everyone who was good at brawl is going to suck, and all the noobs are going to become pros!

/sarcasm

Seems like everyone who sucks at melee always comes back with ''Well when brawl comes out Im going to be pro'' Chances are, no , you're not.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

No man! Didnt you hear? As soon as brawl comes out, the skill levels are going to be reversed! Everyone who was good at brawl is going to suck, and all the noobs are going to become pros!

/sarcasm

Seems like everyone who sucks at melee always comes back with ''Well when brawl comes out Im going to be pro'' Chances are, no , you're not.

I know I won't posses the same skill,but that won't stop practicing until I perfect my techniques.


I can deal with the change,and adapt accordingly.

 

[Master Peach]

I know I won't posses the same skill,but that won't stop practicing until I perfect my techniques.


I can deal with the change,and adapt accordingly.

That's what I like to hear!

 

[buddy9246]

[[[[[True say, the most skilled player will usually win a 3 person ffa, it gets a bit crowded with 4. It's just kind of hard to have a ''fair'' free for all though, sometimes people will inevitably team up on one guy, or one guy will camp, etc etc. It just muddles things. FFAs are mad fun though, hence why in tournament friendlies you see a lot of them.]]]]

*^^ Correct. The stages need to bigger the more players that play. the stages are small when playing FFA and that is why no one likes them. no room for anything. you go to turn around and WACK!*


[[[[FFA's aren't ''for noobs'' they just don't contain the balance that 1v1 or 2v2s have due to the teams being fair.[/QUOTE]]]]]

*^^ couldn't say it any better (nor could i think it)*


[[[[1.Wow,you have been to1 Tournament,not even a major one,and you ranked 4th.Wow,your a beast!!
2.Lol,sure.If your nearby at anytime,play me so that I can teach you to pull your head out of your a'ss.
3.Also Unbalanced,Broken,and Cheap.Acknowledge that as well.]]]]]

* the tourney he has been in was a school event. it was so easy that i used yoshi. (i can't use yoshi good).

2) you wouldn't want to play him.*

comments in *

 

[linkw00t]

Hahaha Smash tourneys in school. After learning advanced tech's I've been able to improve my game quite a bit, I lost to a high skilled n00b Mario so I went on a murderous path of vengeance.

Note: Anyone who can't wavedash should be shot, it took me about half an hour to have it down perfectly, and maybe 10 or so matches with some of my buddies 2v1'ing me to get my dodge game down. I play as Marth BTW. Like every other n00b I used to main Link.

As far as SHFFL goes, it was hard as HELL to learn. I still don't have it down perfectly.

Also, when I lost to the Mario, we were using items. And I noticed he was depending on them QUITE a bit, Pokeballs, hearts, bombs, ack. **** that in the future, I'm going to play him soon and see the look on his face when I do a badass juggle combo with marth. ^_^

 

[Wrath`]

One last thing TWOK,regarding the post you said about brawl,saying that you cannot wait to show your skill.

I also,cannot wait,you will be first on my "To Humiliate" List.

We'll seee about that.

My ******** quote of the day:you cant own someone without a receipt

 

[buddy9246]

Hahaha Smash tourneys in school. After learning advanced tech's I've been able to improve my game quite a bit, I lost to a high skilled n00b Mario so I went on a murderous path of vengeance.

Note: Anyone who can't wavedash should be shot, it took me about half an hour to have it down perfectly, and maybe 10 or so matches with some of my buddies 2v1'ing me to get my dodge game down. I play as Marth BTW. Like every other n00b I used to main Link.

As far as SHFFL goes, it was hard as HELL to learn. I still don't have it down perfectly.

Also, when I lost to the Mario, we were using items. And I noticed he was depending on them QUITE a bit, Pokeballs, hearts, bombs, ack. **** that in the future, I'm going to play him soon and see the look on his face when I do a badass juggle combo with marth. ^_^

The excate same as me!

I learned wavedashing fast, but the SHFFL is hard!

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

The excate same as me!

I learned wavedashing fast, but the SHFFL is hard!

Funny story, I found SHing hard at first, took me like a week to learn, especially since I Played fox, but that made me develop a very acurate technique where I can full jump or short hop at will. Me and my friends learned to short hop and were satisfied for a little while.

Then came wavedashing, as soon as I found out about it and the pro scene I was eager to learn it, I spent an hour on training mode with mario and finally got it. Found it realllly easy too, I seriously find wave-dancing easier than dash-dancing.

SHFFLING though, was hard to come by (perfect shffling) and we got bored with melee (I have no idea how) and started playing classic smash once again.

Classic smash's reduced game speed and ability to combo someone from 0% to death if you were perfect and Z-cancelled all your air attacks really made us work on our cancelling, but in a much slower game enviroment.

When we got back to melee, I dont know how but we could SHFFL. And with practice, we perfected it. Now shffling is just as easy to me as any other technique

Intresting learning method no?

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Then came wavedashing, as soon as I found out about it and the pro scene I was eager to learn it, I spent an hour on training mode with mario and finally got it. Found it realllly easy too, I seriously find wave-dancing easier than dash-dancing.

****, Dylan. An hour for Wavedashing? It took me a whole freakin' week!

Lol.

Dash dancing was one of the first advanced techs that I learned. It didn't take anything for me to able to harness it---a couple o' rapid tilts with the joystick and SHABAM! My character looked like he/she had ants in their pants. Instant mastery. Short hopping was already intrinsic to my gameplay---I used it in Melee long before I found out it was actually a coined term. SHFFLing came shortly afterwards.

Wavedashing is an entirely different story, tho'. There was something about air dodging towards the ground that I couldn't quite grasp. It was hilarious to see me when I was first trying to get it down in a real match, because I'd always mess up the timing---rather than nail the air dodge into the ground, I'd angle it away at the last second and end up catching air for a second or two. Dozens of Marth F-smashes and Link Hylian spins later, I finally managed to master wavedashing...

...with Luigi, who wasn't even my main. Lol. The reason why I even bothered to pick the Green Machine was because a good friend of mine (one of the guys in Florida who introduced me to higher-level Smash) suggested that Luigi was a good character to learn Wavedashing with. Soon after that, I made it a point to be able to Wavedash with every character. Thankfully the road to mastery was fairly short, though I still have trouble with Bowser's Wavedash (which looks like a "wavestep" to me, but hey).

Smooth Criminal

 

[Justin]

Wavedashing took me about nearly two hours to be able to do it at will, but about three days to incorporate it into my gameplay and use it intelligently and competitively. Shffl'ing took me a little longer because I could do it easy as hell with most every other character, but it was difficult at first with my main, Fox. But when I got it down with Fox and started using it exceptionally well in actual matches...the wins started coming easily.

And about wavedashing...I never even used Luigi to learn it. Everyone said it was really easy to learn how to do it with him, but I didn't want to get good at wavedashing with him when I never use him in matches. I got it down with Fox relatively fast like I stated though so it was all good.

 

[Toshiba]

I was told that the best way to learn wavedashing was to do it in small incriments often. I spent about a week doing it like 15 mins a day or so and at the end i had it perfect.

I never even bothered to shffl or l cancel at all until i tried playing with falcon one day. (i had been using luigi up until then and you dont really need to l cancel his arials) I kept trying to do the down air with falcon and it was taking forever so at some point i just started hitting r as i touched down and since then its become second nature.

 

[buddy9246]

Funny story, I found SHing hard at first, took me like a week to learn, especially since I Played fox, but that made me develop a very acurate technique where I can full jump or short hop at will. Me and my friends learned to short hop and were satisfied for a little while.

Then came wavedashing, as soon as I found out about it and the pro scene I was eager to learn it, I spent an hour on training mode with mario and finally got it. Found it realllly easy too, I seriously find wave-dancing easier than dash-dancing.

SHFFLING though, was hard to come by (perfect shffling) and we got bored with melee (I have no idea how) and started playing classic smash once again.

Classic smash's reduced game speed and ability to combo someone from 0% to death if you were perfect and Z-cancelled all your air attacks really made us work on our cancelling, but in a much slower game enviroment.

When we got back to melee, I dont know how but we could SHFFL. And with practice, we perfected it. Now shffling is just as easy to me as any other technique

Intresting learning method no?

short hopping was hard for me too. it still is alittle. i can get it about 85% of the time. As for l-cancling about a 5-10% chance.

I need help l-cancling. i need some vidoes on them. CAN ANYONE SHARE ANY PLEASE? THANK YOU!

SHFFLing is just too hard for me. I don't know why either.

Im also working on waveshining. I can get like 1 or 2 down then i aireal dodge.

 

[Wrath`]

shorthops are a smashers best friend.

 

[Superstar]

Ah, the memories.

I remember about a year or two back, a friend of mine had Nintendo Power, and told me about the [which said that advanced players use it]. The instructions my friend said were vague, airdodge along the ground [I thought it meant straight horizontal]. I could only do it on a slopped surface, I didn't know how to apply it, and I thought only Luigi and Marth could do it, so I dropped it.

About a month before the last winter break, someone I met in school [who seemed fairly knowledgable in Smash, claims to be a retired smasher] told me that in order to wavedash, you had to airdodge INTO the ground, at a diagonal. I tried it, and I could get it 10% of the time with Falco after 2-4 minutes. I didn't know what good it was, so I dropped it.

Later, the kid told me about smashboards. I looked for a while, but I didn't really look for long, so I dropped it. Around this time, however, my brother kept beating me [I always ran into F-smashes, was not having much fun with the game, and I played Mario, who needs the techs]. Therefore, after one month, I decided to give this site a chance [pre winter break era].

I quickly learned wavedashing, but I just could not understand Shhfling. I did not know if the attack came before or after the fastfall, so I had to drop it. Sheild grabbing was a cinch, and Mario's combos gave me the edge I needed to just barely beat my brother.

The Advanced how to play changed my life forever. I was able to learn Shhfling and out of shield wavedashes, all in one hour.. With shuffling, I was able to thrash my brother, effectively 4 stocking him. This was also the time I got better with my wavedashes, learning how to use them.

And then I joined smashboards. Soon after, I was able to string wavedashes together into one continuous movement.

 

[Red Exodus]

I can WD but not on command, I only managed to do 3 in a row at most, I also have trouble WDing to the left, I have no idea why. I can't SH with Fox because he's a hard character to SH with and I still don't have L-canceliing down so SHFFling is a no go.

Read my sig to see why I can't practice.

 

[darktiamat47]

you should be able to WD on command at any point if you want to get better Red Exodus(not saying your bad) and yea it sucks about ur GC lol guess you really cant learn if you wanted to anyway. I have all the techs down, i can wavedash on command, L-cancel, etc etc. The only thing I lack is experience in tournaments. I've played people who have gone to tournaments and I can hold my own very well, either getting them down to 1 stock or beating them, successfully being able to do advanced techs on command makes playing advanced players much easier but experience will always make you a better player

 

[Red Exodus]

I'm trying, but like a baby bird trying to fly, sometimes I WD when I want to and dodge a killing blow and sometimes I [try to] WD and it costs me my live.

 

[Master Peach]

When I heard about wavedashing, L cancelling, and short hopping it took me a while to adjust as well. For a long time I've been jumping with the X button and found it easier to jump with that and add it to my fighting style.

But learning how to short hop was hard. In training mode it was easy, but to use it actual game play was hard. It took me three days to try and get use to it but it was still hard. I was also in that time trying to master L cancel which was a pain >_<.

Wavedashing took me forever to Master but it was worth all the effort. When I was on smash boards one time I heard about falco's short hop Laser It looked cool so I decided to try it out. At first it was hard but in about an hour I got use to it. I got use to jumping in place and firing it. Then I relized something, I had problems short hoping before but with Falco it seemed effortless. I kept praticing with falco and mastered short hopping, not to mention L cancelling as well though I do mess up at times.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Is it me,or when you first attempt to apply advanced techniques in battle against your friends,you wind up getting beat often? Well,that is until you master the techniques.


And TWOK, to acknowledge yourself as a ****** isn't funny,it's just cynical. >_<

 

[Red Exodus]

I didn't get beat trying to use ATs, they actually made me a little better, even when I failed to execute them, that either:
A) shows how good I am
or
B) shows how bad my friends are

I'm going with B lol.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

I can WD but not on command, I only managed to do 3 in a row at most, I also have trouble WDing to the left, I have no idea why. I can't SH with Fox because he's a hard character to SH with and I still don't have L-canceliing down so SHFFling is a no go.

Read my sig to see why I can't practice.

Heh, I don't even own a gamecube I play with my friends a lot though.

Meh, I dunno you need practice but its not like this is difficult stuff here. Shfflign is a bit tricky but you have to think of it in rhythm, not in speed, since timing the fastfall is essential. Shorthop, cstick your air attack, fast fall, press L as you fastfall. Easy shffl. Just get used to hitting L everytime you do an air attack close to the ground, right before you hit the ground.

I don't even think about it anymore, really.

 

[Red Exodus]

Tomorrow I'm going whoop some *** in Melee again, I'll just practice WDing, L-cancelling and SHFFLing while my newbie friends kill themselves with items, if anyone comes near I'll give 'em a run-around and dispatch them. They never seem to interfere with my AT practising, I think they are afraid of me

So far I've met 2-3 people that have potential enough to beat me, but I play dirty [well, that's what my friends say anyway, I just think I go about getting KOs more seriously]. I hope I see them tomorrow, I'll have to stop the FFA item noobfest for a 1vs1 without items on a stage that isn' utter bull**** to test my skill and their skills. I hope the guys in the arcade allow me to do that lol.

 

[darktiamat47]

well short hopping is easier or harder with diff pple, L-canceling just takes practice and timing (personally i think its best to learn it by practicing a bit on your own against a lvl 1 comp, then a lvl 9 and then incorporate it into real play b/c thats where it'll count), so on and so forth. Some characters require more attention with certain AT's than others. Example: Bowser needs to be L-cancelled constantly or his lack of speed and recovery will greatly give his opponent an advantage while a fox that might miss an L-cancel once or twice wont have as huge of an opening.

 

[buddy9246]

I'm still having trouble with l-cancelling. I need videos that show step by step. I can sometimes get it but not alot. I need help! please?

 

[linkw00t]

Wavedashing took me about nearly two hours to be able to do it at will, but about three days to incorporate it into my gameplay and use it intelligently and competitively. Shffl'ing took me a little longer because I could do it easy as hell with most every other character, but it was difficult at first with my main, Fox. But when I got it down with Fox and started using it exceptionally well in actual matches...the wins started coming easily.

And about wavedashing...I never even used Luigi to learn it. Everyone said it was really easy to learn how to do it with him, but I didn't want to get good at wavedashing with him when I never use him in matches. I got it down with Fox relatively fast like I stated though so it was all good.

Yeah learning to do it, and learning to incorporate it are two different things, sometimes tech's can be harder to do under pressure. L-Cancelling for example, is hard for me when I'm under attack.