cheap_josh
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Dave Chapelle hasn't done anything. He's a comedian, I guess people just don't realise that.
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Soulja Boi - Holdin Black People Down XD
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Yeah, I really don't see how a multi-million dollar black man set anyone back. He did it with style, poise, grace, and broke down so many conventions in the process that race, at least for me, was seen in a totally different light. If anything, Dave did what few others could ever hope to achieve.
ranmaru
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Old school for life ;3
Ah, now, I am still very open to new rap/hip hop artists. Generally, with this logic, I can listen to some of my sister's songs on her Ipod without loathing all of them. Of course, I like Old School rap better, though. I haven't heard Blackstar, De la soul, or the Roots, but I will listen to them. I would always give some random artist a chance, but I do know Soulja Boi blew his chance. ;(
Wat? Really?
It should be a crime to have never heard of any of those groups.
Some of my favorite songs from:
The Roots
The Seed
You Got Me
Don't Say Nothing
Coming to Break You Off
Mos Def (a member of Black Starr)
Ms. Fat Booty
The Beggar
Oh No (feat. Nate Dogg and Pharoahe Monch
Talib Kweli (the other member of Black Star
Get By
De la Soul
Me, Myself and I
I was going to keep going, but this post could go on forever. Basically, they all have alot of good stuff.
Some of my favorite songs from:
The Roots
The Seed
You Got Me
Don't Say Nothing
Coming to Break You Off
Mos Def (a member of Black Starr)
Ms. Fat Booty
The Beggar
Oh No (feat. Nate Dogg and Pharoahe Monch
Talib Kweli (the other member of Black Star
Get By
De la Soul
Me, Myself and I
I was going to keep going, but this post could go on forever. Basically, they all have alot of good stuff.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
ok. i'm tired of ppl bashing soulja boy so much and making him seem responsible for the fall of hip hop (see Ice T and Snoop Dogg interviews). Hip Hop was dead before Soulja Boy. Soulja Boy is not an emcee or lyrical genius, nor does he claim to be. He's good at what he does, which is simply make songs to get people to dance and move to. Now, if people are running around saying Soulja Boy is this great hip hop artist, then its a different discussion, but no one is saying that.
Also, on the topic of sterotypes, there is so much good hip hop out there that doesn't get pushed, its kind of sad. The reasons for such are more in depth than i'd like to go into right now for time constraints (I'm in class). Its very sad that in most instances, what one or a few people do is how the whole group is viewed. For instance, lookat the topic. Holdin us down? I don't let the actions of one person categorize who I am by any means
Also, on the topic of sterotypes, there is so much good hip hop out there that doesn't get pushed, its kind of sad. The reasons for such are more in depth than i'd like to go into right now for time constraints (I'm in class). Its very sad that in most instances, what one or a few people do is how the whole group is viewed. For instance, lookat the topic. Holdin us down? I don't let the actions of one person categorize who I am by any means
Thrillhouse-vh.
Smash Hero
I'd go as far to say that Soulja Boy is holding humanity down in general.
I'd go as far as to say that people take music too seriously.
Listen to what you like, don't hate on others for listening to what they like.
Soulja Boi makes music that I don't respect or like, but that just means that I listen to other stuff.
choknater
Smash Obsessed
Well, it's not so much that as it is the ignorant things that he says, like what he said here in the article. It's his immaturity and offensive words that make people hate him.
About hip hop: He may be good at what you said (making people wanna dance) but the reason old school rappers bash him is because they are really repulsed by his subject matter and lack of poetric qualities in his music. It's that raw content that brought hip hop to life.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
ppl have been immature and offensive for a while. thats not a reason to hate someone
what subject matter is so repulsive? havin money? women? please. thats been the debate over hip hop since the days of tupac. in fact, it was an even bigger issue then, involving many protests. poeticness, and for that matter soul, in hip hop has been gone for a long time. "crank dat" didnt start it
Proud_Smash_N00b
Smash Ace
QFT
It started with 50 Cent and Lil Wayne.
And for some reason, I think it started when people in general tried to be like gangsters, mixing skater culture with hip hop culture (Famous Stars and Straps), people trying to speak like bangers, and everyone poppin up hoods just cuz it makes them look "G." It doesn't work like that. The hip hop culture is dead and a lot of people are to blame
Matt
Banned via Administration
I freakin' LOVE hip-hop. But I freakin' HATE mainstream hip-hop. Paradox?!?
I think we can all agree that Soulja Boi is not people, therefore what he says doesn't mean beans to me, you, or an entire race of people. What's important here is that we recognize that not all of the popular figures in our society have anything important or intelligent to say, and that whatever ignorant nonsense they spew isn't representative of the whole. One bad apple, eh?
To the hip-hop lovers: Atmosphere's latest is pretty super.
Me
Dreamer
I think we can all agree that Soulja Boi is not people, therefore what he says doesn't mean beans to me, you, or an entire race of people. What's important here is that we recognize that not all of the popular figures in our society have anything important or intelligent to say, and that whatever ignorant nonsense they spew isn't representative of the whole. One bad apple, eh?
To the hip-hop lovers: Atmosphere's latest is pretty super.
Me
Dreamer
Canvasofgrey
Smash Ace
Technically, he said it wrong, since it wasn't the Europeans that enslaved the Africans. Africans themselves enslaved their own people by selling their slaves to the whites.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
Na, thats just innercity culture in general, coincidence has it that most people in the inner city are black.
but actually, it cant be when people started acting like gangsters. when NWA first came out, thats how they got their claim to fame. However, it was only because it was an aspect of society that wasn't often talked about. It was nice at the time for someone to actually talk about real ish that was often swept under the carpet. times were really that bad.
the difference between then and now is that the sense of pride now is purely of ignorance. back then, times were hard and people were gangsters because of the times. civil rights was still fresh in everyones mind and the system was still f'd up (rodney king and the like). now, people are being prideful of being gangsters, but the opportunity to do better is more prevalent than before. people just aren't choosing to take advantage of everything their forefathers fought for.
In all honesty, there are two things that are messing up hip hop nowadays:
1. the people themselves. people really don't want to listen to anything thats not commercial. i dont understand what it is in all honesty. i always thought that it was because to listen to real hip hop, you had to have a certain level of intelligence. also, the struggle isnt there, so the soul isnt as strong. not that there still arent things to rap about. another thing to remember is that growing up poor and in the hood, which a lot of people are, you dream of making money and striking it rich. even iif you dont grow up in the hood, its a nice thought. commercialism plays on this. its not a bad thing, but theres plenty of other things to talk about.
2. the industry. record labels are the main source of pushing songs, esp for people who aren't going to research it themselves. they're going to push what sells, and right now commercialism is selling because of reason number one. however, these labels still should hold some responsibility.
now in defense of modern hip hop, not all of its bad. i dont want to have to think about problems in life all the time. its nice just to listen to something simple. also if i'm in the club grinding on a phat azz, i dont wanna hear NY state of mind bumpin out the speakers. modern hip hop has its place, but its not everywhere. whats worse is that the good hip hop gets pushed out so little, people dont even kno it exists, making ugly, but understandable, assumptions about the artists, the fans, the hood, and worse black people in general.
its a very ugly situation... good thing i listen to every type of music under the sun
that happened, but not in enough cases for one to make a general statement. besides, enslaved africans were usually PoWs or indentured servants or criminals or something of that nature. It was as intense as people make it out to be
K64
Smash Apprentice
I sure don't like Soulja toy. He's a stunt and can't make anything original. I've heard several song w/ "Crank Dat" in their name and they all SUCK.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
those other crank dats arent his except soulja boy and billie jean, and they all have their own dances, the point of the songs.
notftomearth7
Smash Lord
I think a lot of times, stereotypes are reinforced, so those who are aren't exposed to the people getting stereotyped know no better. For example, I know a lot of African Americans who are actually respectable...albiet some are not. I am more open though, than say...my grandmother, who is afraid of them.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
yea atmosphere is beast. once i heard scapegoat, i was hooked on him.
btw, soulja boys new song is tight.
for real tho, its not a good example of real hiop hop or anything, but i loves to dance
streetracr77
Smash Journeyman
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This is true. On MTV or BET, an African-American usually has a grill, expensive sneakers, and a nice car. This puts out a huge stereotype that being "gangster" is cool.
Most or almost all of the quotes from Soulja Boy were incorrect or stupid.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
besides the grill, it shouldnt be stereotypical for someone to have either of those things
Flamingo777
Smash Apprentice
Meh such an overplayed song, and I dont know how the black people that are being "held down" supposedly by it feel, but I dont think one person can do that to a whole race.
OmegaXXII
Fire Emblem Lord/ Trophy Hunter
But that's the thing, and sadly alot of people (especially afro-american) are typically judged by what they wear, baggy clothes, earrings, grills are all very stereotypical things that a person might think as a "gangster" or a guy who just goes around stealing, while in reality, appearance doesn't have to do with anytime a person does, it's quite sadning when people think that way without thinking about it.
Everyone gets stereotyped. Tattoos are a perfect example of that. We all make snap judgments about people based on the way they present themselves, and that's never going to change.
The question is this: Why do we as black people feed into a negative stereotype, and then expect to be excused for presenting ourselves in that light? It's like that Chris Rock joke: "Just because I'm dressed like a cop doesn't mean I am one!"
The question is this: Why do we as black people feed into a negative stereotype, and then expect to be excused for presenting ourselves in that light? It's like that Chris Rock joke: "Just because I'm dressed like a cop doesn't mean I am one!"
Matt
Banned via Administration
SmashAura4
Smash Apprentice
As a fellow African American living in a sterotypical society, I have grown quite tired of it all. I don't like the fact that I'm compared to some rapper that's always rapping about the same stuff. I mean, have you heard Little Wayne? Sounds like the guy just got out of bed.
Now that there's a black president (is he half Musim too? I kept hearing that he was), we as African Americans should be a lot more careful in presenting ourselves.
Now that there's a black president (is he half Musim too? I kept hearing that he was), we as African Americans should be a lot more careful in presenting ourselves.
/fa cepalm
lol, no no, that was a scare tactic used by Republicans to further charge their ignant white people base against the scary black man.
SmashAura4
Smash Apprentice
Aww man, I've become a victim of the system. I was weak, sorry.
trademark0013
Smash Champion
we forgive you
Red Exodus
Smash Master
When I went to New York for vacation I remember two girls calling me Bob Marley [I had a lot of hair that time]. I wasn't sure if I should have been insulted or flattered
the correct response is bothWhen I went to New York for vacation I remember two girls calling me Bob Marley [I had a lot of hair that time]. I wasn't sure if I should have been insulted or flattered
trademark0013
Smash Champion
yea snoop dogg had some harsh words for him too...
o wells. doesnt seem to affect him. *** tha hataz. lmao
o wells. doesnt seem to affect him. *** tha hataz. lmao
Aesir
Smash Master
The same can be true about other music genres. Lol.
Soulja boy isn't holding anyone down either, is he liberating? nope he's just the status quota.
Soulja boy isn't holding anyone down either, is he liberating? nope he's just the status quota.
notftomearth7
Smash Lord
Rap in general is bringing black people down. Half of the people in my school who are African American don't understand anything at all unless it's in rap format.