Sorry kids, here's why Geno won't get in. The good news? Krystal might.

[Hippochinfat]

Geno is unimportant and unpopular. It's stupid how people say his chances of getting in are so high.

But still, he does have a chance you really can't say he doesn't.

 

[NessOnett]

Geno is unimportant and unpopular. It's stupid how people say his chances of getting in are so high.

But still, he does have a chance you really can't say he doesn't.

I sense a large number number of verbal thrashings in your immediate future, so many in fact that I won't add to them.

 

[kackamee]

Geno is unimportant and unpopular. It's stupid how people say his chances of getting in are so high.

But still, he does have a chance you really can't say he doesn't.

He does have a high chance and is important, or eelse he wouldn't be so popular, so before you go around making assumptions do yiur research, you've been on the boards longer than I have so you should know how popular he is

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I sense a large number number of verbal thrashings in your immediate future, so many in fact that I won't add to them.

They can't be verbal unless you record them or something and send him an address to the sound file

 

[Beamblast]

Before Melee, Sheik only appeared in Ocarina of Time..
And in my opinion, he absolutely ruined Melee...

 

[Pieman0920]

Didn't he mention Knuckles in the music update?

Anyways....I don't know what to say about this thread. It's so...ugh...no one seems to piece things together. But that's okay. The thing is, is that many people are setting themselves up for a fall. Like Geno supporters, or K. Rool ones. It's getting closer and closer, and likewise clearer. There won't be as much room as people think there is, and there won't be the inclusion of characters that really don't deserve it. =/

EDIT: Sheik's a girl, and was really there so that we could have the new concept of the double character. >_>

 

[kackamee]

Before Melee, Sheik only appeared in Ocarina of Time..
And in my opinion, he absolutely ruined Melee...

Are ou kidding? Shiek was on of the top three chars in melee regardless of the ONE game she was in, she was a great addition

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Didn't he mention Knuckles in the music update?

Anyways....I don't know what to say about this thread. It's so...ugh...no one seems to piece things together. But that's okay. The thing is, is that many people are setting themselves up for a fall. Like Geno supporters, or K. Rool ones. It's getting closer and closer, and likewise clearer. There won't be as much room as people think there is, and there won't be the inclusion of characters that really don't deserve it. =/

EDIT: Sheik's a girl, and was really there so that we could have the new concept of the double character. >_>

Arguing only for K Rool on this, he's THE major villain in Nintendo's 4th best selling franchise. I think he deserves to be in more than characters from any lesser series

 

[SolidSonic]

He does have a high chance and is important, or eelse he wouldn't be so popular, so before you go around making assumptions do yiur research, you've been on the boards longer than I have so you should know how popular he is

He is popular on these boards, not so much else where. Not many gamers recognize him, much less think he is important.

His case has been built up in the collective conscious of this board, he has that going for him.

 

[NessOnett]

They can't be verbal unless you record them or something and send him an address to the sound file

given the ravenous and extreme nature of the Geno supporters, i really wouldn't doubt that happening actually.

 

[bballstar23]

Are ou kidding? Shiek was on of the top three chars in melee regardless of the ONE game she was in, she was a great addition

She was a good character skillwise, but was never a very important character. They surprised me when they put her in the game.

 

[Pieman0920]

Arguing only for K Rool on this, he's THE major villain in Nintendo's 4th best selling franchise. I think he deserves to be in more than characters from any lesser series

No, not at all. This roster is limited at this point. We're not going to get many more. Being the major villain of the 4th most popular doesn't cut it at all. Not in the slightest. Heck, think about it for a second in your head when you even say something like that. If we kept on getting characters, instead of this dry spell, then maybe we'd have a roster big enough to get him in, but we don't.

 

[kackamee]

He is popular on these boards, not so much else where. Not many gamers recognize him, much less think he is important.

His case has been built up in the collective conscious of this board, he has that going for him.

It was a best selling game for such long time and is stillknowas one of the best RPG's to date

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

No, not at all. This roster is limited at this point. We're not going to get many more. Being the major villain of the 4th most popular doesn't cut it at all. Not in the slightest. Heck, think about it for a second in your head when you even say something like that. If we kept on getting characters, instead of this dry spell, then maybe we'd have a roster big enough to get him in, but we don't.

If these characters revealed are all starters, then we'd be getting a large roster

 

[kackamee]

She was a good character skillwise, but was never a very important character. They surprised me when they put her in the game.

Ice Climbers, and Pit. Nuff said.

 

[:034:]

Dude! If you make a thread, do your research!

Midna (Twilight Princess) - played a medium role in ONE "Zelda" game. Not a very good chance of getting in. Not any better than any other medium zelda character (The Wind Fish, for example)

Er, no. Midna had the second-biggest role only next to Link, actually overshadows Link with a personality and backstory. 95% of TP, the latest console Zelda game and where everybody is modeled after. Not at all comparable to the Wind Fish who didn't even speak.

Star Wolf - minor enemy of Fox in early Star Fox games. Showed up as a minor character in Assault as well. Medium chance of getting in, only since there aren't many SF games.

Second only to Andross. Who is the main antagonist. Big role in Assault and Command (the game Fox's model is from), though not as big as Krystal (and of course Fox).

Skull Kid - Extremely minor character in Zelda Oot, played a slightly larger role in MM, hasn't been seen since. Chance of getting in: Next to none.

Lol. SLIGHTLY bigger than in OoT? He was the MAIN ANTAGONIST of Majora's Mask. And after that he was in Twilight Princess, in the Sacred Grove. Still hardly any chance, but just... Do your research.

While I agree that most of those characters have virtually no chance, I'd love it if you did some research beforehand. Funny thing is, by your logic Shiek and Zero Suit Samus shouldn't have been in at all because they were both in just one game (and then minor). Basically there's just a ton of bias and lack of knowledge.

 

[Pieman0920]

If these characters revealed are all starters, then we'd be getting a large roster

They probably are all starters (bar the third parties) but naturally, we are getting less than the number of starters as unlockables. K. Rool doesn't really hit the mark in terms of importance (in comparison to others still pending) or really originality (Yes, he can play dress up, but he really doesn't offer much that's new, outside of slightly visual differences in attacks, like instead of the Cracker Launcher, we have a musket).

Also, on the villain note, it doesn't seem we'll be getting that many at all, seeing as Sakurai is going down the path to add in his own original creations. (Outside of things that are too iconic to pass up, like Mario enemies)

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

They probably are all starters (bar the third parties) but naturally, we are getting less than the number of starters as unlockables. K. Rool doesn't really hit the mark in terms of importance (in comparison to others still pending) or really originality (Yes, he can play dress up, but he really doesn't offer much that's new, outside of slightly visual differences in attacks, like instead of the Cracker Launcher, we have a musket).

Also, on the villain note, it doesn't seem we'll be getting that many at all, seeing as Sakurai is going down the path to add in his own original creations. (Outside of things that are too iconic to pass up, like Mario enemies)

This game is more involved with the characters because of the story mode, I think that's going to open it up to more villains than the last games did. I don't think they all are going to just end up as bosses...especially since the villains seem to be hunting down the good guys with the trophy guns and such..

 

[kackamee]

This game is more involved with the characters because of the story mode, I think that's going to open it up to more villains than the last games did. I don't think they all are going to just end up as bosses...especially since the villains seem to be hunting down the good guys with the trophy guns and such..

Yes, so that makes room for, I'd say about 2 more villians including K.rool, and about the limited roster. Sakurai is leaning toward more females in the game, even which right now there are still very little so we can still expect more.

 

[Banjodorf]

No, not at all. This roster is limited at this point. We're not going to get many more. Being the major villain of the 4th most popular doesn't cut it at all. Not in the slightest. Heck, think about it for a second in your head when you even say something like that. If we kept on getting characters, instead of this dry spell, then maybe we'd have a roster big enough to get him in, but we don't.

Really? THe roster isnt big enough for him now? Did you read my post earlier about the characters most likely to make it in? Can you name some "more important" than K. Rool that would take his place on my roster?

noone else seems to have thought of any, and since we ought to be able to expect at least 36 characters, he fits.

 

[kackamee]

Really? THe roster isnt big enough for him now? Did you read my post earlier about the characters most likely to make it in? Can you name some "more important" than K. Rool that would take his place on my roster?

noone else seems to have thought of any, and since we ought to be able to expect at least 36 characters, he fits.

And the 36 comes even after some char's were cut from melee

 

[Pieman0920]

This game is more involved with the characters because of the story mode, I think that's going to open it up to more villains than the last games did. I don't think they all are going to just end up as bosses...especially since the villains seem to be hunting down the good guys with the trophy guns and such..

But that's an assumption though. It's true that the villains are fulfilling their typical villain role, in SSE, but there hasn't been a playable one yet that's been introduced to just give that series a villain for that mode. Bowser was in last time because he was so iconic, Wario's got his own series now, and Dedede...well there's a lot of reasons why he's in, and we're not really sure he's a villain in the mode yet. The villains for SSE though are nearly all original though. The bosses may not fall under this category, but then again, neither of them have shown the capacity to be playable. (They are created to be unique experiences after all) The point is that the non-Sakurai created villains only seem to be added if they stand out enough on their own. K. Rool's just the generic end boss for DK, and doesn't have any real appeal outside of his series. If the roster was big enough to include characters like this, then he might have been a good contender, but it seems like it's going to be smaller than expected. =/

 

[Banjodorf]

No, not at all. This roster is limited at this point. We're not going to get many more. Being the major villain of the 4th most popular doesn't cut it at all. Not in the slightest. Heck, think about it for a second in your head when you even say something like that. If we kept on getting characters, instead of this dry spell, then maybe we'd have a roster big enough to get him in, but we don't.

Another thing I'd like you to take in. the "dry spell" of characters isnt ending until Feb 10th, or Jan 24th, when the game is released.

Sakurai doesnt release hidden characters, exceptions being sonic and snake, and I think he said somewhere there would be more hidden characters than in Melee. (Which of course makes sense)

If K. Rools in, and its extremely likely he will be, he is hidden. And regardless, you cant say the roster isnt big enough for him. The roster will most likely have, 36 characters at least, so hes practically a shoe-in. Plus, DK needs another rep, Kirby got all 3 of their major reps.

 

[axemangx]

*flame shield*


I guess nobody does read the first post on character threads anymore.

All of that crap has been debunked already.

"Skull Kid - Extremely minor character in Zelda Oot, played a slightly larger role in MM, hasn't been seen since. Chance of getting in: Next to none."


This killed it completely.

Have you even played OoT?

 

[kackamee]

But that's an assumption though. It's true that the villains are fulfilling their typical villain role, in SSE, but there hasn't been a playable one yet that's been introduced to just give that series a villain for that mode. Bowser was in last time because he was so iconic, Wario's got his own series now, and Dedede...well there's a lot of reasons why he's in, and we're not really sure he's a villain in the mode yet. The villains for SSE though are nearly all original though. The bosses may not fall under this category, but then again, neither of them have shown the capacity to be playable. (They are created to be unique experiences after all) The point is that the non-Sakurai created villains only seem to be added if they stand out enough on their own. K. Rool's just the generic end boss for DK, and doesn't have any real appeal outside of his series. If the roster was big enough to include characters like this, then he might have been a good contender, but it seems like it's going to be smaller than expected. =/

Bowser is a boss, even if dedede isn't in SSE it doesn't excuse him from bieng a villian

 

[Hippochinfat]

He does have a high chance and is important, or eelse he wouldn't be so popular, so before you go around making assumptions do yiur research, you've been on the boards longer than I have so you should know how popular he is

He's popular on boards like this. Alot of people have no idea who he is. Super mario RPG wasn't very succesful either. How the hell does he have a high chance? He's not important he was the sidekick in one semi-obscure mario game. That's it.

 

[Banjodorf]

But that's an assumption though. It's true that the villains are fulfilling their typical villain role, in SSE, but there hasn't been a playable one yet that's been introduced to just give that series a villain for that mode. Bowser was in last time because he was so iconic, Wario's got his own series now, and Dedede...well there's a lot of reasons why he's in, and we're not really sure he's a villain in the mode yet. The villains for SSE though are nearly all original though. The bosses may not fall under this category, but then again, neither of them have shown the capacity to be playable. (They are created to be unique experiences after all) The point is that the non-Sakurai created villains only seem to be added if they stand out enough on their own. K. Rool's just the generic end boss for DK, and doesn't have any real appeal outside of his series. If the roster was big enough to include characters like this, then he might have been a good contender, but it seems like it's going to be smaller than expected. =/

Smaller than expected? Not a chance. sakurai said in a podcast a couple months ago, that Brawl will have more characters than we could possibly imagine, but I still think it's safe to assume around 36--40

 

[kackamee]

He's popular on boards like this. Alot of people have no idea who he is. Super mario RPG wasn't very succesful either. How the hell does he have a high chance? He's not important he was the sidekick in one semi-obscure mario game. That's it.

Actually SMRPG is a best seller so more people know about him than you'd think

 

[Hippochinfat]

OMG THERE WILL BE 40+ CHARACTERS NOT LIKE 36. Brawl has had 28 months of development, melee had 10. Brawl has DOUBLE the staff (Not counting musicians) to.

 

[kackamee]

Smaller than expected? Not a chance. sakurai said in a podcast a couple months ago, that Brawl will have more characters than we could possibly imagine, but I still think it's safe to assume around 36--40

And seeing as he's confirmed so little, I think it's safe to say that he's saving the others for hidden char's(somewhere hopefully including luigi, CF, shiek, and Ganondorf)

 

[Banjodorf]

OMG THERE WILL BE 40+ CHARACTERS NOT LIKE 36. Brawl has had 28 months of development, melee had 10. Brawl has DOUBLE the staff (Not counting musicians) to.

but has all that time been spent making characters? I'd like 40+, but one must think, what has the time been put towards? Characters, Modes, or Stages?

 

[Hippochinfat]

Actually SMRPG is a best seller so more people know about him than you'd think

It was a best seller in Japan definetly not America though. It sold very poor for a mario game.

 

[Hippochinfat]

but has all that time been spent making characters? I'd like 40+, but one must think, what has the time been put towards? Characters, Modes, or Stages?

Good point. I guess we really can't say if it will be 40+ or something in the 30s. It just annoys me when people say there will only like 35 characters because I belive there will be alot more.

 

[Pieman0920]

I'm sorry Ganon, but you're going to slow at this point/it's bad new trying to talk to two people at the same time at different points, so I'll say this. (Though if PI lets up, I can comment more)

With 36 characters, there's no way. 23 characters by Dojo count. 13 others.

1) Captain Falcon
2) Luigi
3) Ganondorf
4) Mr. Game & Watch
5) Marth
6-7) Two Pokemon here. (You know it's going to get at least two, but I'm not willing to comment on the whole Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario, ect debate)
8) Krystal
9) New Zelda Rep (Again, don't want to get into exactly who, but I'm betting on WW Link)
10) Ridley
11) Olimar
12) AC rep
13) Third Party # 3

Now of course, there's a chance that some of those aren't going to get in at all, right? Of course. There's no way to tell for sure. But is there someone there that you really think K. Rool has precidence over? (Heck, you could probably add some other stuff like a Mii, another Mario rep, a new franchise character, surprise retro character, ect)

Also, Sakurai doesn't talk through pod casts. You can have people reporting a Famitsu report of a Korean magazine with confirmed mistranslations, but that doesn't count as Sakurai.

 

[kackamee]

OMG THERE WILL BE 40+ CHARACTERS NOT LIKE 36. Brawl has had 28 months of development, melee had 10. Brawl has DOUBLE the staff (Not counting musicians) to.

That is true but people don't want to get their hopes so high just to fall on their face, so people think that's a good numbe

 

[Hippochinfat]

Another thing I'd like you to take in. the "dry spell" of characters isnt ending until Feb 10th, or Jan 24th, when the game is released.

Sakurai doesnt release hidden characters, exceptions being sonic and snake, and I think he said somewhere there would be more hidden characters than in Melee. (Which of course makes sense)

If K. Rools in, and its extremely likely he will be, he is hidden. And regardless, you cant say the roster isnt big enough for him. The roster will most likely have, 36 characters at least, so hes practically a shoe-in. Plus, DK needs another rep, Kirby got all 3 of their major reps.

Don't take this the wrong way, King k. rool is one of my favorite video game characters but I really doubt he'll be in. The DK series isn't nearly as big as it used to be, kirby is alot bigger now.

 

[NessOnett]

Another thing I'd like you to take in. the "dry spell" of characters isnt ending until Feb 10th, or Jan 24th, when the game is released.

Sakurai doesnt release hidden characters, exceptions being sonic and snake, and I think he said somewhere there would be more hidden characters than in Melee. (Which of course makes sense)

One thing to note, this "dry spell" has lasted just over 2 months now. The game was pushed back...just over two months. Since the beginning Sakurai has been planning how this was going to work, and has given us filler material to compensate. Obviously he couldn't break his word and reveal any hiddens, but there will be a massive roster regardless.

 

[kackamee]

I'm sorry Ganon, but you're going to slow at this point/it's bad new trying to talk to two people at the same time at different points, so I'll say this. (Though if PI lets up, I can comment more)

With 36 characters, there's no way. 23 characters by Dojo count. 13 others.

1) Captain Falcon
2) Luigi
3) Ganondorf
4) Mr. Game & Watch
5) Marth
6-7) Two Pokemon here. (You know it's going to get at least two, but I'm not willing to comment on the whole Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario, ect debate)
8) Krystal
9) New Zelda Rep (Again, don't want to get into exactly who, but I'm betting on WW Link)
10) Ridley
11) Olimar
12) AC rep
13) Third Party # 3

Now of course, there's a chance that some of those aren't going to get in at all, right? Of course. There's no way to tell for sure. But is there someone there that you really think K. Rool has precidence over? (Heck, you could probably add some other stuff like a Mii, another Mario rep, a new franchise character, surprise retro character, ect)

Also, Sakurai doesn't talk through pod casts. You can have people reporting a Famitsu report of a Korean magazine with confirmed mistranslations, but that doesn't count as Sakurai.

X out, marth,G&W new zelda rep, possibly AC rep, and still you can't confirm 36 so K.Rool can definatly replace one of those.

 

[axemangx]

Facepalm Material


that is all

 

[Kazyx]

@ Vasilicus: I would like to clear up some of your points. Before the Smash Brothers series, Ice Climbers and Pit were never really known. I had never heard of their characters until they showed up in the Smash realm. I had heard of Kid Icarus, the series in which Pit is, if I'm not mistaken, the protagonist of the game. Ike, Marth and Roy are all from different Fire Emblem games, and have never been in the same game more than twice. Each game takes a different point of time and a different view from different areas of the land.

They have never met each other in any of the FE games, ever. Marth was the main protagonist from Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi as well as Fire Emblem: Monshō no Nazo, Roy is the protagonist of Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi in Japan, and makes a brief cameo in the 7th instalment of the FE series, which was the first of the FE series to be released outside of Japan as Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword.

Ike is seen in Fire Emblem: Path of Radience for the Gamecube, as well as Fire Emblem: Radient Dawn for the Wii.

If these points have already been discussed, then I apologize for wasting your time with this. I had only decided to read the topic starter post, and nothing more, as I had wished to say something on the matter.