Sorry kids, here's why Geno won't get in. The good news? Krystal might.

[Machspeed]

Before making a thread like this, please get your facts right.

Geno played a major role in the game, not the main character, but a very big role. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars was the title of the game, and Geno's mission was to repair the star road. Mario finished his goal a little halfway through the game, rescuing Peach, yet everyone was still on a mission besides him. Mario was the main character simply because he HAD to be, you don't think Nintendo would put him in a game where he was a side character do you? Mario was merely the staple in which everyone met up through, but they all had different interests at hand.

The Super Mario RPG was very important to Nintendo, in fact in had MANY firsts of Nintendo.
- The first Mario RPG
- The first time Bowser was playable
- First time your "common enemies" joined your team in a Nintendo RPG (i.e. Bowser joining you in Paper Mario)
- Where timed hits/dodging started for RPG's
- Many more too lazy to list

Not to mention it set the basis for every Mario RPG you see on the market today, which sounds pretty important to me. The Super Mario RPG sold 1.4 million in Japan alone, which was a hell of alot of numbers back in it's time.

 

[kackamee]

Tell me why you dont think hes PC worthy. THe Pikmin series was another Miyamoto masterpiece series, and needs representation. Of corse, you might not have played Pikmin, and think he's just an astronaut.

It definitely deserve representation, and who better than Olimar?

True i guess I really shouldn't be commenting on Cptn. O cause I never played his game

 

[Machete]

I dunno, I think K. Rool is almost a shoe-in.

K. Rool isn't a shoe-in because the DK series hasn't get an awesome game since DK64, and he's not THAT popular.


But hopefully he'll be in. He deserves it.

 

[NessOnett]

Tell me why you dont think hes PC worthy. THe Pikmin series was another Miyamoto masterpiece series, and needs representation. Of corse, you might not have played Pikmin, and think he's just an astronaut.

It definitely deserve representation, and who better than Olimar?

I did play Pikmin, the original, got it within a week of it coming out. I wasn't too thrilled with it, but that's beside the point. The point is that he isn't a fighter. The best he could do is be a PKMN trainer knockoff and give Pikmin orders from the sidelines, the problem is that the different colors aren't different enough in fighting style to have separate fighting styles, and each alone couldn't generate a moveset. Not that Pikmin was a bad game, but it's like the dispute of an animal crossing character, they weren't meant to go toe-to-toe with real brawlers like...Ridley?

 

[Greatman]

Time to add my thoughts:

I belive that Krystal is a much better choice than any other characters mentioned here. She wouldn't be a clone of Fox or Falco, because she's a lot different, in a sence. Fox and Falco use more meele and technology-based attacks, while Krystal would probably use an assortment of magic, and staff-based attacks. Besides, she would be a better character to put in than any others mentioned, because she's more well known. Don't yell at me for this, () but I've never heard of Geno before.

My $0.02

 

[Machspeed]

K. Rool isn't a shoe-in, but he's pretty likely in my opinion.
-A cutout of my support essay for K. Rool

Crazy to think he'll be added? I don't believe so. Kirby, DK, and Mother have all been neglected characters and attention for both the prequel of Smash Bros. and the sequel. Kirby has gotten two characters, Meta Knight, and King Dedede, while Mother seems to be getting a ton of attention also. DK is a leading franchise on the Nintendo, so it wouldn't be too unfair to ask for one more character, mind you a villain which we need more of. We also don't exactly have a ton of heavy-weights. Sakurai seems to be paying attention to games he left out, (SNES games predominatly) which is where he gets King Dedede, and Meta Knight from (On a side note, Geno's been discussed also, yet another game on the SNES). DKC was a very popular game on the SNES, and K. Rool was the villain in every one of them. K. Rool has alot to bring to the table, and a theory has been sparking up on the K. Rool boards lately. Bowser attacks Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong, but the question is, why would he want their banana horde? Maybe he realizes he cannot beat Mario, and he and K. Rool switched enemies just this time around. When you think about it, this isn't too impossible.

 

[kackamee]

I did play Pikmin, the original, got it within a week of it coming out. I wasn't too thrilled with it, but that's beside the point. The point is that he isn't a fighter. The best he could do is be a PKMN trainer knockoff and give Pikmin orders from the sidelines, the problem is that the different colors aren't different enough in fighting style to have separate fighting styles, and each alone couldn't generate a moveset. Not that Pikmin was a bad game, but it's like the dispute of an animal crossing character, they weren't meant to go toe-to-toe with real brawlers like...Ridley?

True I bet alot of people \(like me) didn't think about him not actually being fighter material

 

[DeuceBlade]

If other franchises are getting enemy PCs expect K. Rool, the best choice for DK enemy.

 

[kackamee]

DK does need a new action game, but didnt DK barrel racing(whatever the name is) get good sales?

 

[shinhed-echi]

I rather see Captain Olimar than Ridley and K.Rool.

New franchises = new feel to stages, new songs, new faces, new items.. the list of advantages of having new series instead of overrepresenting other franchises is enormous!

I'm not a fan of Pikmin. Still, I rather have new stuff around. Not just adding a villain for the heck of having a villain.. I mean, that's what bosses are for..

4-5 franchises should have a villain.. NO MORE.

Whadayaguys think?

 

[kackamee]

If other franchises are getting enemy PCs expect K. Rool, the best choice for DK enemy.

He's basicly the only choice, plus alot of people wanna see Koopa vs. Kremling: the awsomest villian fight.

 

[Banjodorf]

I did play Pikmin, the original, got it within a week of it coming out. I wasn't too thrilled with it, but that's beside the point. The point is that he isn't a fighter. The best he could do is be a PKMN trainer knockoff and give Pikmin orders from the sidelines, the problem is that the different colors aren't different enough in fighting style to have separate fighting styles, and each alone couldn't generate a moveset. Not that Pikmin was a bad game, but it's like the dispute of an animal crossing character, they weren't meant to go toe-to-toe with real brawlers like...Ridley?

Olimar technically could fight alone. He didnt do much damage but could fight by himself.

The different Pikmin in Brawl, as A.I. would bring their different strengths to the battle, and provide Olimar with various forms of assistance.

sigh.. looks like I have to make another sample moveset. (only doing specials and FS, dont feel like doing A moves again.)

B - pikmin Pull - Pulls a random pikmin out of the ground. It then proceeds to attack nearby enemies. White, Yellow, Blue, and Red Pikmin do different amounts of minimal damage with each attack. Purple pikmin are rare, but do 15% damage with each attack.

B up -Jet Boots, cause minor fire damage to closeby enemies the jets touch, and propels Olimar into the air.

B down - Whistle - causes minor damage to any enemies within it's range. Also calls all Pikmin within it's range that are fighting back to Olimar's side.

B > Ultra Bitter spray - freezes targets it hits in place for 5 seconds, reflectable, and counterable.

Final Smash - Pikmin Bomb Squad - This one is taken frm the Olimar thread, and Im using it because I think its great.

The SS Dolphin flies in,and flashe a large beam of light on a section of the stage. Those enemies affected by it are stunned as if their shield has been broken, and then 6 yellow pikmin holding bombs ar dropped onto the stage. They proceed to find the nearest target(s) and kamikaze into them with their bombs.

Note: Pikmin on the stage at one time outside of the bombsquad ability are limited to 5.


See? Olimar has so much potential, he cant be an AT only, no way.

 

[Banjodorf]

He's basicly the only choice, plus alot of people wanna see Koopa vs. Kremling: the awsomest villian fight.

Thats better than Mario vs. Sonic, we must have K. Rool in the game!

 

[kackamee]

I rather see Captain Olimar than Ridley and K.Rool.

New franchises = new feel to stages, new songs, new faces, new items.. the list of advantages of having new series instead of overrepresenting other franchises is enormous!

I'm not a fan of Pikmin. Still, I rather have new stuff around. Not just adding a villain for the heck of having a villain.. I mean, that's what bosses are for..

4-5 franchises should have a villain.. NO MORE.

Whadayaguys think?

Well, alot of people don't like the fact that you can't play as some of the bosses you face, I mean it's still nice to have them in the game, but the cchar's that can fit as fighters, instead of bosses should be fighters.

 

[kackamee]

Olimar technically could fight alone. He didnt do much damage but could fight by himself.

The different Pikmin in Brawl, as A.I. would bring their different strengths to the battle, and provide Olimar with various forms of assistance.

sigh.. looks like I have to make another sample moveset. (only doing specials and FS, dont feel like doing A moves again.)

B - pikmin Pull - Pulls a random pikmin out of the ground. It then proceeds to attack nearby enemies. White, Yellow, Blue, and Red Pikmin do different amounts of minimal damage with each attack. Purple pikmin are rare, but do 15% damage with each attack.

B up -Jet Boots, cause minor fire damage to closeby enemies the jets touch, and propels Olimar into the air.

B down - Whistle - causes minor damage to any enemies within it's range. Also calls all Pikmin within it's range that are fighting back to Olimar's side.

B > Ultra Bitter spray - freezes targets it hits in place for 5 seconds, reflectable, and counterable.

Final Smash - Pikmin Bomb Squad - This one is taken frm the Olimar thread, and Im using it because I think its great.

The SS Dolphin flies in,and flashe a large beam of light on a section of the stage. Those enemies affected by it are stunned as if their shield has been broken, and then 6 yellow pikmin holding bombs ar dropped onto the stage. They proceed to find the nearest target(s) and kamikaze into them with their bombs.

Note: Pikmin on the stage at one time outside of the bombsquad ability are limited to 5.


See? Olimar has so much potential, he cant be an AT only, no way.

That is really good but it still comes down ti how many total char's and Sakurais desicion

 

[Machete]

Not just adding a villain for the heck of having a villain.. I mean, that's what bosses are for..

I want to fight as Ganondorf, Ridley and K. Rool. If I wanted to play against them, then I'd buy a Zelda/Metroid/DK game. I mean... Petey and Rayquaza are cool bosses without any chance of being playable, but the main enemy of an important series is quite different.

He's basicly the only choice, plus alot of people wanna see Koopa vs. Kremling: the awsomest villian fight

Mario and DK vs Bowser and K. Rool=Win.

 

[TheGlitchMaster]

all i have to say is (people are gonna hate me but) feww! no geno! i'm sorry, but i hate the guy. no, maybe not hate. i just..... am not in favor.

 

[kackamee]

Thats better than Mario vs. Sonic, we must have K. Rool in the game!

Yeah, and then we can do Mario and DK vs. Bowser and K. Rool

Or Mario and Bowser vs. DK and K. Rool: Best hero villian match-up

You could also do kirby and dedede too

 

[NessOnett]

Olimar technically could fight alone. He didnt do much damage but could fight by himself.

The different Pikmin in Brawl, as A.I. would bring their different strengths to the battle, and provide Olimar with various forms of assistance.

sigh.. looks like I have to make another sample moveset. (only doing specials and FS, dont feel like doing A moves again.)

B - pikmin Pull - Pulls a random pikmin out of the ground. It then proceeds to attack nearby enemies. White, Yellow, Blue, and Red Pikmin do different amounts of minimal damage with each attack. Purple pikmin are rare, but do 15% damage with each attack.

B up -Jet Boots, cause minor fire damage to closeby enemies the jets touch, and propels Olimar into the air.

B down - Whistle - causes minor damage to any enemies within it's range. Also calls all Pikmin within it's range that are fighting back to Olimar's side.

B > Ultra Bitter spray - freezes targets it hits in place for 5 seconds, reflectable, and counterable.

Final Smash - Pikmin Bomb Squad - This one is taken frm the Olimar thread, and Im using it because I think its great.

The SS Dolphin flies in,and flashe a large beam of light on a section of the stage. Those enemies affected by it are stunned as if their shield has been broken, and then 6 yellow pikmin holding bombs ar dropped onto the stage. They proceed to find the nearest target(s) and kamikaze into them with their bombs.

Note: Pikmin on the stage at one time outside of the bombsquad ability are limited to 5.


See? Olimar has so much potential, he cant be an AT only, no way.

B moves are easy, it's the A side that he falls very short on. Sure he could technically punch in the game, but it had about the power of a rolled up newspaper. Definitely not the strength to do any real DMG. Plus his arms are short, and he has nothing to use(like weapon or magic or etc.) to lengthen his range.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Well, alot of people don't like the fact that you can't play as some of the bosses you face, I mean it's still nice to have them in the game, but the cchar's that can fit as fighters, instead of bosses should be fighters.

I'm cool with villains being playable, as long as they don't go overboard. It's not like they don't have a lot to choose from..


..Come to think of it... I don't really have a favorite villain character... Not from Nintendo at least... (Eggman, Lavos, Kefka, etc). :D

 

[Banjodorf]

Yeah, and then we can do Mario and DK vs. Bowser and K. Rool

I support thos idea. Power to K. Rool!!

 

[Banjodorf]

B moves are easy, it's the A side that he falls very short on. Sure he could technically punch in the game, but it had about the power of a rolled up newspaper. Definitely not the strength to do any real DMG. Plus his arms are short, and he has nothing to use(like weapon or magic or etc.) to lengthen his range.

If you want the A moves, please go to the Olimar support thread. They did a good job with the A moves.

 

[TheGlitchMaster]

awww. perfect match. cannot get better than that.

 

[NessOnett]

I'm cool with villains being playable, as long as they don't go overboard. It's not like they don't have a lot to choose from..


..Come to think of it... I don't really have a favorite villain character... Not from Nintendo at least... (Eggman, Lavos, Kefka, etc). :D

Kefka ftw! but they can't even consider adding him in without some other FF6 rep from the good side...can anyone say Sabin?

 

[kackamee]

awww. perfect match. cannot get better than that.

I know now if only there could be 8 hars playing at a time, Mario and Bowser vs. Kirby and dedede vs. DK and K.Rool vs Link and Ganondorf

 

[TheGlitchMaster]

a man can dream....

 

[kackamee]

I'm cool with villains being playable, as long as they don't go overboard. It's not like they don't have a lot to choose from..


..Come to think of it... I don't really have a favorite villain character... Not from Nintendo at least... (Eggman, Lavos, Kefka, etc). :D

GOOO Lavos FTW!!!!!!! Oh i got promoted to Smash child Yay!!

 

[SolidSonic]

sure...why not? lets throw in Geno, a completely unlegendary character in the gaming world outside of ****ing SWF. and lets screw over greats like Mega Man and Bomberman in the process. i mean who cares if Mega Man is the 18th best-selling game franchise of all time? who cares if both Mega Man and Bomberman are true age-old video game icons in their own respect? and not to speak anything of Sonic who Sega is screwing over with that Olympic Games abomination. i mean, lets completely throw out the notion that the 3rd party slots should belong to easily recognized and liked 3rd party all-stars. lets put Geno in and while Sakurai's at it, lets toss in Glover and we can all have a merry ****ing christmas

I like the way this guy said it best.


Explanation to average Joe about Geno

"Yo dogg who the f**k is that puppet?"

"Thats Geno."

"Geno you say? Well what is he doing in the game..."

"Well you see the developers said they would include around three third party characters in the game once Snake was announced."

"Oh... I see. So what game was Geno in?"

"He made a short appearance in Super Mario RPG".

"The ****? How is that third party? Where is my **** Mega Man at?!"

 

[The Noob Legend]

"B moves are easy, it's the A side that he falls very short on. Sure he could technically punch in the game, but it had about the power of a rolled up newspaper. Definitely not the strength to do any real DMG. Plus his arms are short, and he has nothing to use(like weapon or magic or etc.) to lengthen his range."

Yeah, B moves are easy.
Ok, so Geno is a possessed puppet (original name too hard to pronounce in the RPG)
Why not make his A moves relatively weak, but still balanced.

Geno would probably lack the speed and agility to pull of fast combos, but at least he'd be there.

 

[Lgndknight]

Um Pit, Ice Climbers aren't huge names and are considered minor. He has put in those characters and continues to do so. This proves nothing. Geno's chances are no way affected by this. Krystal I believe was already confirmed by the voice of her. Of course we have to wait for the dojo to reveal it before it becomes official.

REalize pit and ice climbers are retro, and not put in for the sucess (or lack thereof) of their games. btw, THANK YOU TC for saying this, same feeling from another Kansan.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

"B moves are easy, it's the A side that he falls very short on. Sure he could technically punch in the game, but it had about the power of a rolled up newspaper. Definitely not the strength to do any real DMG. Plus his arms are short, and he has nothing to use(like weapon or magic or etc.) to lengthen his range."

Yeah, B moves are easy.
Ok, so Geno is a possessed puppet (original name too hard to pronounce in the RPG)
Why not make his A moves relatively weak, but still balanced.

Geno would probably lack the speed and agility to pull of fast combos, but at least he'd be there.

Geno's the fastest character in Mario RPG and has a higher attack than Bowser

 

[CT Chia]

get ur facts straight, seriously.

 

[Machete]

REalize pit and ice climbers are retro, and not put in for the sucess (or lack thereof) of their games

Well, Geno could be considered retro too, because his game is for the SNES.

 

[kackamee]

I like the way this guy said it best.


Explanation to average Joe about Geno

"Yo dogg who the f**k is that puppet?"

"Thats Geno."

"Geno you say? Well what is he doing in the game..."

"Well you see the developers said they would include around three third party characters in the game once Snake was announced."

"Oh... I see. So what game was Geno in?"

"He made a short appearance in Super Mario RPG".

"The ****? How is that third party? Where is my **** Mega Man at?!"

Yeah, Geno isn't really 3rd party and mega man is jjust a samus knock-off, bomber man can't really have a unique moveset, just bombs and punches, hhe even has short arms and legs

 

[NessOnett]

"B moves are easy, it's the A side that he falls very short on. Sure he could technically punch in the game, but it had about the power of a rolled up newspaper. Definitely not the strength to do any real DMG. Plus his arms are short, and he has nothing to use(like weapon or magic or etc.) to lengthen his range."

Yeah, B moves are easy.
Ok, so Geno is a possessed puppet (original name too hard to pronounce in the RPG)
Why not make his A moves relatively weak, but still balanced.

Geno would probably lack the speed and agility to pull of fast combos, but at least he'd be there.

rofl, pulling in my quotes from other threads? The point is that Geno has magic to complement his regular A moves, kinda like Zelda(and to some extent Mewtwo). And if nothing else he is extremely flexible(with no bones to constrict him) to help him combo well.

 

[bballstar23]

Now let's look at some requests.

Midna (Twilight Princess) - played a medium role in ONE "Zelda" game. Not a very good chance of getting in. Not any better than any other medium zelda character (The Wind Fish, for example)

Captain Olimar - very good chance of getting in. Star character of new nintendo series "Pikmin".

Geno - minor character in Super Mario RPG, has showed up as a minor NPC in other games. Low chance of getting in. I'd put him up there with, say, "Tarin the cucco farmer" from the Zelda games.

Star Wolf - minor enemy of Fox in early Star Fox games. Showed up as a minor character in Assault as well. Medium chance of getting in, only since there aren't many SF games.

Skull Kid - Extremely minor character in Zelda Oot, played a slightly larger role in MM, hasn't been seen since. Chance of getting in: Next to none.

Captain K. Rool - Major enemy of Donkey Kong. Stands a good chance of getting in. However, in the SSE video it showed a koopa stealing DK's bananas which slightly diminishes the chances of K.Rool's appearance, but we'll have to see.

Knuckles - Playable character in some Sonic games. Medium chance but Tails has a better chance of making it in.

Isaac - Major character in Golden Sun series. Hopefully Sakurai will remember to put him in, I'll be surprised if he's left out.

Krystal - major character in more recent Star Fox games. Good chance of replacing Falco.

Tingle - minor character in a few Zelda games. No chance of getting into Brawl whatsoever.

I just love how biased this section is. Since Bowser is stealing the bananas, that must mean that K. Rool is out? The teamups/bosses in the SSE have no effect on a character's chances. That's like saying, "Since Kirby is fighting Petey Piranha, then King Dedede has no chance." How do Knuckles and Tails have a good chance of making it in, but Falco ends up getting replaced by Krystal? It's not a crime for the series to have three reps you know. It's also pretty unlikely that the Sonic series will get two reps, even with the mention of Knuckles in Tuesday's update. I have nothing against Isaac, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's left out. Golden Sun isn't one of Nintendo's flagship series, but it would be nice to have him in the game. Just be more realistic when trying to analyze who will get in and who won't.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Geno's the fastest character in Mario RPG and has a higher attack than Bowser

Also, A moves are easy to come up with

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/333390

 

[kackamee]

I just love how biased this section is. Since Bowser is stealing the bananas, that must mean that K. Rool is out? The teamups/bosses in the SSE have no effect on a character's chances. That's like saying, "Since Kirby is fighting Petey Piranha, then King Dedede has no chance." How do Knuckles and Tails have a good chance of making it in, but Falco ends up getting replaced by Krystal? It's not a crime for the series to have three reps you know. It's also pretty unlikely that the Sonic series will get two reps, even with the mention of Knuckles in Tuesday's update. I have nothing against Isaac, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's left out. Golden Sun isn't one of Nintendo's flagship series, but it would be nice to have him in the game. Just be more realistic when trying to analyze who will get in and who won't.

What reference to Knuckles!?!?

 

[NessOnett]

What reference to Knuckles!?!?

that was my thought, just checked, couldnt find one.

 

[kackamee]

that was my thought, just checked, couldnt find one.

Me too, now I'm excited