Sorcerer's 11 Open

[Pythag]

That was specifically at Kary, as the first part of

 

[Pythag]

Sorry, wasn’t trying to be snarky there, I accidentally posted

I thought that by addressing Kary in the first part it was clear. You’re welcome to weigh in, but I’m pretty sure you don’t think you are scummy.

 

[Raxxel]

Raxxel, imagine you’re the bomb.

We take z25 out today.
You get killed. Who do you target?

Kary. If Z were dead I'd be laying my vote on them today.

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Gimme a ****ing second I'll try to find everything I had gathered during the night

Always save your stuff before walking away from it. Hell, even before that, having save intervals is important. You don't want to be caught off-guard by a crash, black-out, any number of unfortunate events.

Wiisp Following the events of Xivii having apparently lied twice now, I have to ask. With this knowledge, if Xivii were alive today and claimed to have gotten a scum check on me, would you vote on that?

 

[Z25]

You people really think I was hard on lore?


lol you haven’t seen my plays in the last when I’m dead set on someone. Granted there are a few new people here. Regardless of thoughts on their switch in, lore was being pretty bad.

Neither town nor scum should want that on their side and if you disagree I can’t see how

 

[Z25]

Also it’s nothing personal on lore. I think they are actually a pretty cool dude and a damn good mod on this site.

It’s just that behavior no matter what wasn’t great

 

[Wiisp]

I think they overreacted, but I have also been in the same shoes in the past
Raxxel
idk honestly

 

[Z25]

I mean lore has, but the problem is that those overreactions are don’t usually indicate one alignment over the other

 

[Wiisp]

ranmaru
help

 

[Z25]

ranmaru
help

Wow how rude. You gonna leave a townie like me?

 

[ranmaru]

Wisp, right now I think it's between Kary and Rax. I lean towards Rax, as I agree with you that their entrance post doesn't line up with how they were playing yesterday. They state anger yet they never stated alternatives or asked for us to slow down.

Vote: Rax

 

[ranmaru]

This is without a re-read, but my concern is with players that haven't voted as much or tried to progress town in Day 1, or Day 2. Rax has not even produced their notes again. Kary seems to be tunneling and that's really their only form of content right now, which is what concerns me with them. I'm going to re-read again with Funnier's flip in mind. After I eat and such.

 

[ranmaru]

Pythag It's most important that you do your best to re-read (again) yourself, and give your full reads list (doesn't have to be now, but certainly sometime) as since you are Zen's official clear, you'd most likely die tonight. I say it's important because what you say is pure and we know to trust your word.

 

[ranmaru]

ranmaru
help

Re-read Kary. Start there.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I really, really, really, really, really, really doubt that

Good point, well made.

Kary, why Ex over Rax?

YesterDay I said I would just lynch both funnier & Exlight; what happened? Exlight got tilted and started attacking my play. If they're town why are they getting so mad about their lynch? This is the same slot remember that was the first to volunteer they would be "okay with dying", but then of course as soon as that idea is put to the test they start backtracking. Seems like their own survival is pretty important to them.

Do you think Rax’s entrance into this Day was good?

No, it was awful.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

ranmaru
help

why are you appealing to the slot that isn't clear?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

NO HASTY VOTES TODAY PLEASE

 

[ExLight]

Always save your stuff before walking away from it. Hell, even before that, having save intervals is important. You don't want to be caught off-guard by a crash, black-out, any number of unfortunate events.

I diiiiid aaaa
idk why it all vanished
feels bad

 

[ExLight]

If they're town why are they getting so mad about their lynch?

I wasn't mad at you suggesting my lynch, I was mad at you talking **** to me and funnier useless despite not exactly being the top most pro active member

 

[ExLight]

*like pretty much calling us useless

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I wasn't mad at you suggesting my lynch, I was mad at you talking **** to me and funnier useless despite not exactly being the top most pro active member

Okay, I will admit there could also be a town reason for why you were mad.
But my other point still stands; you said you were okay with dying and then retracted that. Why did you even say that in the first place?

 

[ExLight]

Okay, I will admit there could also be a town reason for why you were mad.
But my other point still stands; you said you were okay with dying and then retracted that. Why did you even say that in the first place?

I didn't retract that, and I think I explained it to Wiisp with a pretty decent analogy

Am I fine with dying? Sure, it helps the PoE and noone wants somebody they barely know in -Lo.
Do I want to die? No, because I know it be a mislynch. So I'm still advocating against it, but if I get lynched I wouldn't be upset because I know it is the most optimal one if we don't have any leads mostly because you might want to have at least have some stuff like meta on the remaining players to work with.

 

[ExLight]

*I know it is a

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Do I want to die? No, because I know it be a mislynch. So I'm still advocating against it,

lol, there's no need to make a case on me; I'm fine with being lynched because I know I did poor life choices here

Then why even bring up the idea in the first place? How does you saying this help town in the slightest?

 

[Raxxel]

I'm thinking today, rather than expand on the notes I had, I'm going to altogether create a new, more focused batch. I don't think the old ones do us much good with the newer info we have. And by today, I don't mean like phase, I mean IRL today. Hold me to that and, if not Z, vote me off if I don't turn up with them by the end cause if I can't hold up to my own deadlines then I'm useless to town regardless and it would be better to narrow down the suspects list then.

Mainly, rather than read page by page, I want to ISO the current 4 people that aren't confirmed.

 

[Wiisp]

ranmaru
everyone has "something", and then Raxxel is like, voting Z25 and yelling at us as an excuse to not find the other wolf I feel?
like the wolf has to be in Ex/Raxxel/Me/Kary
so at this point simply saying that the wolf is between X and Y, just doesn't cut it

im not gunna vote yet, I wanna see what he does today

 

[ExLight]

Then why even bring up the idea in the first place? How does you saying this help town in the slightest?

I'm aware of my poor decisions, and I know how it made me look scummy. There was no point making a case against me because there wasn't anything I could say to defend myself about it.
The point of saying I'm fine with my lynch wasn't to directly help town by getting lynched, I wasn't saying that to rush my lynch. It was so they started considering second options to go after I got lynched instead of wasting time trying to iso/make arguments against me that, like, everyone is already well aware.

I was assuming I was going to be on everyone's scumreads, and I was fine with that because I was aware that my actions D1 made me look scummier than most of the others. Me getting lynched would get rid of a major suspicion who you had no contact with previously, if anything my mislynch would be the best mislynch possible.
Does that mean I want us to waste our lynch attempt on me, and that I should be begging to get lynched? No, it doesn't. People here seem to be giving me another chance, which from my PoV is fantastic because I know I'm town and I know that it putting me on a townier spot helps the PoV a lot.

 

[Wiisp]

I think being ok with dying and not ok with dying is just NAI
if this was lylo it would be totally different story

 

[ExLight]

helps the PoV a lot

*Helps the PoE

 

[ExLight]

I think being ok with dying and not ok with dying is just NAI
if this was lylo it would be totally different story

if it was -Lo then the person is completely stupid because their team would just straight up lose if people are just "oh mkay we gon lynch you then" lmao

 

[Wiisp]

if it was -Lo then the person is completely stupid because their team would just straight up lose if people are just "oh mkay we gon lynch you then" lmao

ya but ive seen wolves try to play that AtE card lol

 

[ranmaru]

Raxxel Can you explain why you haven't voted proactively this game? How does this game compare to any other game?

 

[ranmaru]

Wiisp Give it time. I'll have a clearer direction later today. I am also interested in what Rax has to offer.

 

[Pythag]

Kary. If Z were dead I'd be laying my vote on them

Why?

What benefit do you get from lynching z today and taking away a safe place for the bomb.

What has Kary done that is scummier than Ex or Wiisp?

Why is Kary scummy and you are not


@ran currently in church. I’ll try to do a reread later

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I think being ok with dying and not ok with dying is just NAI
if this was lylo it would be totally different story

this is just wrong.

 

[Wiisp]

this is just wrong.

no its not, its definitely nai, and bad play from either alignment

 

[#HBC | Kary]

no its not, its definitely nai, and bad play from either alignment

yes it is, it definitely is. 100% with a cherry on top.

 

[ExLight]

once we had this guy with a miller-esque role for trackers/watchers that got 'busted'
and he was all defeatist and almost hammered himself in -Lo

jesus christ I think I held a grudge on him for that for quite a few months

 

[Pythag]

Kary, does Funnier's flip not change anything about Ex for you?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Kary, does Funnier's flip not change anything about Ex for you?

Well, mathematically speaking it makes Exlight more likely to be mafia

I don't think the flip changes anything, is there something I'm missing?

 

[Raxxel]

While working on the ISO, I noticed that Pythag posted this #1,688. I feel bad that I didn't notice this sooner because Funnier wanted these. Figured they could still be of use though if you guys wanted to look through them yourselves. Kary specifically requested these. Would also love observations on them while I try to get this done. I definitely think I may want to post and then keep going till I've compiled enough that I can make a comfortable read.