Sorcerer's 11 Open

[funnier6]

I’m really hoping the host isn’t around to end the day for a couple more hours cause I wanted to get more posting done ohmigosh XD

 

[Pythag]

Doesn't matter. I think I'm actually close to solving the team, Zen. Just you wait.

I freaking love posts like this from Ran.

Also, did UP legitimately just claim sorc and then hammer?

What the heck is this D1

 

[Z25]

Purposely misconstruing my context seems to be your MO

I very clearly said at that moment

There is such a thing as priorities and that question lol was bottom of the list if at all

One can’t understand the present without first understanding the past and even then may be quite flawed

My thoughts in the present are worse than useless without full context of all preceding actions

I really don’t know why I have to explain this

Yet as you said, you saw my question, and sure if you want to lower prioritize fine, it you also just said if it even made your list of concerns. Which still makes my point stand. You didn’t care about it despite the fact that ignoring any question isn’t something you should do in mafia imo. That’s how the game expands and people get better feels for each other.

Let me ask this first then, are you caught up to the current page and just re reading the thread?

 

[funnier6]

Let me ask this first then, are you caught up to the current page and just re reading the thread?

I skim the new pages and then go back to where I left off so yes and no cause I wasn’t very deeply keeping up with things

Like I have a general idea of what’s happened but I might have not read some pages somewhere I’m not totally sure

 

[funnier6]

I’m more likely to answer things in the present right now cause day could end at any moment and I don’t want to delay

 

[Z25]

I skim the new pages and then go back to where I left off so yes and no cause I wasn’t very deeply keeping up with things

Like I have a general idea of what’s happened but I might have not read some pages somewhere I’m not totally sure

Fair enough, I was under the impression you were caught up fully. I would recommend catching up during the two day break, because otherwise with how fast this thread is moving, you will likely miss a lot and this game state keeps rapidly changing. Which makes it hard to interact with you and get your thoughts on the current situations in the game

 

[Wiisp]

hmm guess I was wrong on UP
either way we will see

 

[funnier6]

Thoughts on Osie:
I think his read on Lore feels close a to policy lynch, even if he doesn't want to believe that

This is an interesting thought, though I’m interested why it felt more policy and less like omgus to you?

Comsidering the vote was there before the replacement fiasco

hmm I think the shade was unnecessary, especially the first sentence, but ok

Sorry, that was me giving an annoyed answer thinking you weren’t bothering to read the thread

I had no idea you’d just replaced in

funnier save my ass and explain them some of the most ridiculous things I've done in my few months of mafia

They don’t seem to like it when I do that but maybe later lol

 

[Wiisp]

see y'all day 2

 

[Pythag]

If UP actually is sorcerer, And was getting his night action out as a way of helping wolves, then that means we have a potential clear on funnier.

BUT

If UP is trying to trick town by giving a false read, he could be trying to disguise a wolf.

Funnier needs further looks now.

 

[Wiisp]

If UP actually is sorcerer, And was getting his night action out as a way of helping wolves, then that means we have a potential clear on funnier.

BUT

If UP is trying to trick town by giving a false read, he could be trying to disguise a wolf.

Funnier needs further looks now.

if he is a wolf, or a sorcerer, imagine giving a hoot about his hammer post thoughts
as Osie would say, 'WINE WINE WINE WINE'

 

[Wiisp]

funnier6
cause I know how Osie thinks

 

[funnier6]

Pythag's arguments were mostly parrotings I had already addressed trying to make me look bad

I feel like Pyth is kind of a potato lol

I don’t really have anything to say on your current argument but that’s my impression rn

"look less bad for replacing"
man that read is quite disgusting coming from you, and it makes me cry

I’m not sure how seriously to take this

I love it but funnier won't play with me anymore for some reason

Bruh you never ask me!!!

:excuseme:

 

[funnier6]

If UP actually is sorcerer, And was getting his night action out as a way of helping wolves, then that means we have a potential clear on funnier.

BUT

If UP is trying to trick town by giving a false read, he could be trying to disguise a wolf.

Funnier needs further looks now.

It’s literally wine

funnier6
cause I know how Osie thinks

You rang?

 

[Wiisp]

It’s literally wine

You rang?

This is an interesting thought, though I’m interested why it felt more policy and less like omgus to you?

Comsidering the vote was there before the replacement fiasco

 

[Pythag]

I feel like Pyth is kind of a potato lol

How quickly you discover my meta

 

[Wiisp]

UP also missed a person, its 3 choices n0, not 2 lol

 

[funnier6]

funnier6 I am curious how accurately you can read Ex, and what you expect town him to do, and mafia him to do.

I am not going to start typing a response to this cause I’ll prolly get very long winded and I do not wanna go to post it and see the day has ended lol

I’ll do it first thing in the morning

don't call me odd this hurts my feelings for realsies

You’re unique :fetchd:

Alright I have one question for you. Have you actually read the thread?

Because if you did the answer should be pretty obvious as to why your slot had those votes coming into this. Lore came into the game aggressive over osie’s haiku formatting of their points and got more and more tired of it because they thought it was bad for a player to use that format with as little info as it gave. They vote threatened osie and make a continuously aggressive push towards osie to be the lynch because of hiatus. Obviously that’s a horrible reason to try to start and wagon and their anger towards it made them look entirely anti town. Then because osie didn’t listen they rage quit the game and here you are now.

Im willing to unvote if I see more content from you. I already said I had a few other lynch candidates based on actions which you would also know if you read the thread and I’m not someone dead set on your slot. Plus I’m not the only one on so your just voting me because i had a wagon. Which I don’t fault you but going by that logic I should be sticking to my vote to preserve my slot. Which I don’t think needs to happen when we can easily discuss other potential lynch candidates today with the time we have left.


Ok you keep saying this, but that’s literally your only reason. Honesty a lot of your content has been osie interactions more then anything else. Yet you could continually are trying to push people towards me with this weaker reasoning. Also you don’t need to directly interact with someone to get a good read for them. Their posts speak for themselves and quite frankly I don’t think any of Ex’s are really great which I’ve explained plenty at this point.

I’m starting to realize that Z’s posts are just straight up hard to parse red text or no

 

[Wiisp]

wait I read that wrong, I thought UP was trying to pretend to be the Seer,
but two choices is correct for the Sorcerer
He is just helping his team at this point, but like the Seer is already outted

I mean its possible he put a buddy in those two picks, but I'm not going to bother thinking about it
I think Funnier has been consistently townie, I could be wrong their, it really depends on consistency
I dont particularly have a read on Raxxel as it stands

 

[Wiisp]

The other world is that Xivii is providing Seer cover, cause its doubtful he makes this play as a wolf
its smart play especially in a world where he is the Marytr

 

[ExLight]

wait what the **** happened
did UP confess being the Sorcerer and hammered himself?

 

[ExLight]

why the **** would he claim something like that when we already have the outed cop asdf
I'm poking funnier and Raxx next phase
not buying this pick bluff

 

[Dooplissity]

Final Vote Count
UtopianPoyzin - 6 - Pythag, Kary, Ranmaru, RaxxeL, Z25, osieorb18
Z25 - 2 - UtopianPoyzin, Xivii
Kary - 1 - Wiisp,
Ranmaru - 1 - funnier6
Xivii - 1 - ExLight

Spoiler: Vote History

UtopianPoyzin: osieorb18(4) -> Z25(17) -> Unvote(42)
Mamboo07/Kary: Z25(3) -> Replaced by Kary(18) -> Z25(?) -> Xivii(35) -> UtopianPoyzin(40)
Xivii: ExLight(1) -> Mamboo07(12) -> Z25(14) -> Unvote(22) -> UtopianPoyzin(23) -> Wiisp(33) -> ExLight(34) -> Z25(44)
Z25: Lore(20) -> UtopianPoyzin(48)
Pythag: funnier6(13) -> UtopianPoyzin(30)
Lore/Wiisp: osieorb18(11) -> Replaced by Wiisp(24) -> Z25(26) -> Pythag(32) -> Unvote(40) -> Kary(41)
ExLight: Pythag(21) -> Xivii(36) -> Unvote(38)
funnier6: ExLight(7) -> Ranmaru(27)
Ranmaru: funnier6(6) -> OsieOrb18(9) -> Unvote(10) -> Z25(19) -> ExLight(25) -> Pythag(29) -> Xivii(37) -> UtopianPoyzin(39) -> osieorb18(45) -> UP(46)
RaxxeL: Lore(5) -> Pythag(31) -> UP(47)
osieorb18: Ranmaru(2) -> Xivii(8) -> Unvote(15) -> Lore(16) -> Pythag(28) -> Unvote(32) -> Kary(43)

 

[ExLight]

uh, I unvoted Xivii a while ago but okie
(it's twilight right? we can still post right?)

 

[ExLight]

before you do the flip would you mind rechecking the votes? pretty please?
just so we don't get a flip wrongly :exlight:

 

[Z25]

Ranmaru - Town

Z25 - Scum

Z's play has been really polished, but he's had a few slips I think. Mainly, their reads have been inconsistent.

He has quite a strong town read on Rax here, which I felt was way too strong to have that early. Yet he completely forgets about his read when Ran asks him for his town reads:

Here he lists me and Ran as his only town reads. And again this changes in his next post:


Here has Ran as just a town lean, me as a scum lean, and Rax back as town. He also explicitly states that he didn't have a read on Rax before (the blue), which confirms that he made up his previous read.


There's some more stuff: contradictory statements and his play from the very start was been adaptive/accommodating (the opposite of UP). Every time someone calls him out on something, he immediately adjusts his play in return. I'm too tired to go any further than this though and I have to get up in a few hours. I may have more tomorrow, but around midday I'll be without phone or computer.

Vote: Z25

I think it was a mistake to assume early on that Lore and Z25 couldn't be scumbuddies. Z didn't actually keep going at the haiku like Lore did and the way Z25 and Wiisp have interacted has high partner viability. Scum often either avoid each other or act unnecessarily aggressive toward each other. When Wiisp joined the game and asked why they were being voted / and voted Z25, Z's reaction was the first time he responded aggressively to someone this game, and it was out of left field. Wiisp responded aggressively in turn.

They also both insisted that they were voting each other out of self-preservation, which is a masterful way to distance your scumbuddy. I was puzzled why Z was so open to this assessment of his vote early in the day, but it makes sense if Lore was is buddy.

Also, Z claimed that he was scum reading Lore independently of his self-preservation, yet when Wiisp joined the game, he wrote this in his aggressive post, which I suspect was a way for him and Wiisp to finally take their votes of each other:If he was willing to vote elsewhere all this time, why not do it before? Why keep his vote on Lore who had no opportunity to defend themselves or claim when it came down to it. Wiisp did nothing at the time that warranted the absolvement of Z's read.
Goodnight.

Some things I would like to respond to this with. In terms of the first read you mentioned. The rax and yours. are fair points. It was early, but rax's posts even if there were only a few posts atm, they seemed town oriented to me. Yours were looking fine to me atm then too. I really did need to go back and evaluate the game when I had more time to actively look at it. Which is what led to my big reads list and why there are differences. That post also took 2 and a half hours for me to type out, so there were a lot of different thoughts going through my head, and my previous reads were not one of them, just my current based on everything I re read.

And as for changing my play style, I only tried to be more active because I don't like feeling as if I'm not doing enough to participate in a game, because I don't like lower activity.

Anyway you have Utopian as town,

especially when your reasoning was and I quote:
"Going after a top townie read is town to me"

DystopianElixer - Town

His going after a top town read is townie to me. Not having yet gained the necessary Ran meta, his push makes sense. And he hasn't had any guilt/fear about his play all game. He comes off to me as unfiltered and pushing what he thinks is right. In our scum game together, he was much more willing to back down when challenged and also hop on the ongoing wagons.

Meanwhile Utopian has just confused to being sorcerer and thus going after a top townie read was scummy, and is with the upmost certainty scummy now since we know why he was targeting a townie.


So how do you feel on that read now?

 

[ExLight]

before you do the flip would you mind rechecking the votes? pretty please?
just so we don't get a flip wrongly :exlight:

Dooplissity

 

[Xivii]

That was pretty dam funny.

What's not funny is me having to hear Ran say "remember UP" for the next decade.

 

[osieorb18]

funnier6
cause I know how Osie thinks

Maybe.

 

[Dooplissity]

Dooplissity

UP also voted himself, anyway. The count on the rest might be off, but UP's votes are definitely accurate.



UtopianPoyzin has been lynched! He was:

Spoiler

a Sorcerer!

Night 1 begins now. Deadline is Feb 8th at 5:00 PST. If I receive a PM from ALL living players, I will advance the Night early.

 

[Z25]

Ranmaru - Town

Z25 - Scum

Z's play has been really polished, but he's had a few slips I think. Mainly, their reads have been inconsistent.

He has quite a strong town read on Rax here, which I felt was way too strong to have that early. Yet he completely forgets about his read when Ran asks him for his town reads:

Here he lists me and Ran as his only town reads. And again this changes in his next post:


Here has Ran as just a town lean, me as a scum lean, and Rax back as town. He also explicitly states that he didn't have a read on Rax before (the blue), which confirms that he made up his previous read.


There's some more stuff: contradictory statements and his play from the very start was been adaptive/accommodating (the opposite of UP). Every time someone calls him out on something, he immediately adjusts his play in return. I'm too tired to go any further than this though and I have to get up in a few hours. I may have more tomorrow, but around midday I'll be without phone or computer.

Vote: Z25

I think it was a mistake to assume early on that Lore and Z25 couldn't be scumbuddies. Z didn't actually keep going at the haiku like Lore did and the way Z25 and Wiisp have interacted has high partner viability. Scum often either avoid each other or act unnecessarily aggressive toward each other. When Wiisp joined the game and asked why they were being voted / and voted Z25, Z's reaction was the first time he responded aggressively to someone this game, and it was out of left field. Wiisp responded aggressively in turn.

They also both insisted that they were voting each other out of self-preservation, which is a masterful way to distance your scumbuddy. I was puzzled why Z was so open to this assessment of his vote early in the day, but it makes sense if Lore was is buddy.

Also, Z claimed that he was scum reading Lore independently of his self-preservation, yet when Wiisp joined the game, he wrote this in his aggressive post, which I suspect was a way for him and Wiisp to finally take their votes of each other:If he was willing to vote elsewhere all this time, why not do it before? Why keep his vote on Lore who had no opportunity to defend themselves or claim when it came down to it. Wiisp did nothing at the time that warranted the absolvement of Z's read.
Goodnight.

Some things I would like to respond to this with. In terms of the first read you mentioned. That was agf

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Let me open this post to say, that this game, I have been a blind idiot. Yet, Zen has been slightly blind, but he was actually on track. Ever since he brought up the notion that Osie may have been scum with Ex, I took that as shade, and I put out that I found her defense of ZZ5 townie. I found her so townie, that I tried my best not to doubt my read on her, and I let it influence my direction. Now, this game is actually going to be more difficult than I thought, and I was stupid to think it was easy right now. I'm glad the events occured the way they did, because without them, I wouldn't have been made aware of who the scum are.

These are my game winning reads.

Let's begin with Xiivi, the seer, which I actually believe now. Again, he has had good posts and analysis. I got carried away with my concerns with him, and his early game play which seemed odd, and seemed like sorcerer signaling. (That's like cat calling) Either way, he was wrong on scum from the beginning, when I was actually right.

Rax: I have no change in read on Rax, they had a good analysis in #565 which I find solid, and I find no malicious intent from them.

Pythag: Xiivi's clear, and now seeing who I suspect, I can actually believe he's town with his vote and reads. He's also the only person besides Funnier to come to my defense on certain things lately.

Funnier: He's been catching up, which is actually kind of funny to see him keep doing forever and ever because our pace is too fast for him. Seriously though, he's making good points and his tone is townie. I'm having a much stronger town read on him.

ZZ5: I have been feeling much better about him, his presence has gone up, and he's been weighing sides, but that's really all I have from him. Slight town.

Ex: I find his early actions scummy, and I have outlined this in my #685. Yet I actually am not confident in him being scum anymore, because he doesn't fit in the team. He's null now though.

UP

Let's start with UP. Jump up, jump down. JUMP AROUND. Seriously though, he starts the game with stating I'm trying to appear town, when my advice is non-alignment indicative. Next, he has good points, and good questioning, but also has empty questions as well, such as the ones directed to Mambo and Funnier. His read on Raxxel, is very weak, at that point in time, I have done more than Raxxel yet he gives me a null. His only question, is what are my town posts, and I state all of them. He's just not reading enough into my content to actually sort me, nor does he bring up my posts to ask me questions that concerns him. In his #706, he gives me a reads list without reasoning, and then states he's leaving the thread without giving any. Dissapears from thread, while I have provided plenty of content and reads before this point. He comes back to give incomplete reads, and focuses on Funnier for a bit. Then his #920 is actually a bad post, he states that Ex can interpret Pythag's actions however he likes to see it, when in reality, it's logically bad. Ex was literally stretching there, and UP is intentially making an excuse for him here. Now, next, the Pythag push begins, and for a while, he becomes quiet. Phaze forward through wagons to the UP wagon, and he returns to quote my posts from that point on, to case me. I find his push disengenous because he's ignored a large part of my content from the beginning of Day 1, because he's planned to keep me null. He isn't sorting, and he never really had a push of his own until now. ZZ5 and Lore were never his pushes, and I think he's only been voting for ZZ5, and never moved his vote. He has no desire to solve, only to smear.




Shade.



Null at page 15 of the game, when he has a town read which is weak on Rax. (Who has done much less than I have at that point) He wasn't trying to sort me here, and his only question...



Was this. I told him all of them. This isn't a question to sort my slot, this is to try to get me to town case myself when I don't need to, since I'm focusing on scum hunting. There is never a 'why did you do x' question, because there was no content for him to pin as scummy.



At this point of the game, many players have already given full reads with reasoning, more than once, and this is what he gives.



He declines to give reasoning at this point.




Here, he gives Ex an excuse for faulty logic. Pythag never attacked Ex, and UP is supporting it, by saying he simply interpreted differently, when there is no 'scum pick' to interpret. Pythag never said a thing about that, and his points were fair.



I think for one, it's suspicious that he says that I'm being lamist when he asked me a quesetion, which would in turn have me be lamist. "Show me your town posts" equals that. So using that as a point, feels disengenous. He also states I do not have the drive to look for scum teams, and I do, and have been voting people, more than he has. My #685 is one example of that. My multiple questions, help develop my reads, and some are seen here. Some have been included in past reads lists. (Examples: Asking zen why he gave Rax a town read, asking Osie how her post was coming along, asking UP for his reads list, asking Pythag for his reads list, asking Kary why he didn't vote Xiivi, etc)

I'll re-iterate. He's purposely ignored my content earlier in the game, and held a null read on me, without questioning me to sort me and improve the read. When a player isn't giving content, it makes sense to have them as null. But when a majority of the playerlist, was reading me as town, and he was constantly null reading me, and not trying to ask me any questions, that is a problem, and shows his mal-intent when he finally uses some off-topic posts as attack points.

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MISS OSIE

Now let us move on, to the power wolf. Miss Osie, It's not nice to throw people. Seriously though. Let us begin with her early play. Her first vote is on Xiivi, for being 'overly helpful, eager, and dismissive'. The first two points, did not apply in a negative light. The dismissive point could work if Zen was actually being dismissive. Now, let's remember his post. #143. He's questioning UP. Now, my theory is, this is a chain saw. From the very beginning of the game. Now the events of late make much more sense. #532 is where she defends ZZ5, while having him be a scum read. This point was from Zen, but it still stands. She's been very hard headed and tunnely on Lore, but constantly changing her read on ZZ5 slowly from scum to town when arguing with me. Now, defending a town read is good, it is pro-town to do so. Yet this doesn't make sense, she originally scumread him. She agreed that 2/3 of his play was not great, yet in the next paragraph says she's defending him. At this point, ZZ5 did seem more suspicious than Lore, who did not seem to have much suspicion about them, but Osie kept pushing it, and pushing it, to the point where I believe it's calculated. In her #561, she null reads him, stating he started scummy, and that his push on Lore was decent (when it wasn't, and still isn't, even though I find his slot much better now). I don't think she was really hunting scum and sort of giving him too much benefit of the doubt.

Next, she states in her #564 that she doesn't like Ex's post, really doesn't like it. She said she'd table it for tommorow to go into it more. Yet, in her #666, she posts a list she was pondering before Z did, with Ex at the very top of her town list. No explanation why. In my #692, I ask her how the post is coming along. In her #750, said she looked back and thought about it, and that it wasn't scummy as much as it made her think Ex was a sociopath. Why make that post if it wasn't scumhunting related, and why state she really didn't like it? Why not just state it outright that he was crazy right there, since that doesn't require tabling to say, or any analysis. I don't think she intended to do any analysis, but wanted to seem like it was something she was going to do, but to mindmeld with ZZ5, it behooved her to have Ex at her town list, so she put it up there without any explanation from that post. It doesn't line up.

Finally, the most suspect of all, is these posts. UP began a disengenous push against me, but while she's been reading me as town, she's been actively supporting each point and disagreeing with others that were defending me. Note that, she has been defending other slots hard, like ZZ5, and Ex, but here, she actively tries to knock me down a peg, her strongest town read, for a time. Yet not once have I wavered on her, which I think was me trying to trust my town reads (the ones who were active and working with me). She really did seem like she was working with me, but she wasn't. I think its good to re-evaluate town reads even, but this seems a bit manipulative. Yet saying things like 'oh but I think ran can pocket me' isn't really a valid point about my play, it's just trying to suggest that, actually ran might be playing with me. That isn't analysis or a conclusion, I don't know what the word is, but it's surely trying to support UP's case WITH bias. The difficult thing is, she's been playing from early game, which I say is good scum play, she's been playing a good game. Yet she's bared her fangs, and it's been made plain to me, that she doesn't have a pro-town motive here. I've had a similar change of read on Xiivi, yet I have had concerns with him all game, but never have I tried to manipulate him and say 'yeah I think xiivi is trying to pocket me'.

Essentially, the short of it is, she's chainsawed (attacked xiivi who was questioning UP). She's had multiple concerning changes of reads. (ZZ5 from scum to null in the same post) Ex with an extreme dislike, yet she lists him as town and never states what she actually disliked. She's not sorting, tunneled to seem like she has conviction, and finally, she's been manipulative and also shading her town read, openly, with bias. Not analysis. It is up to y'all to see what I see, but I hope I was able to show you why she's scum.







Chainsaw. Two of her points are not negative, but she used it as reasoning. Her last point did not apply.




She scumreads ZZ5 but changes it to null and defends him in the same post.



Here, she states a real dislike, and that she'd table it for the morning. It implies that it would take some analysis.



She posts a list that seems to mindmeld (agree with) ZZ5's list, to 'pocket' him. She puts EX at the top of the town list, without any explanation why.



I ask how the post is coming along.



She tells me she thought about it, and said he was a sociopath. I say, that shouldn't have taken a day to wait and table, so I find this odd and a lie. She never intended to change the list at a whim, but her progression doesn't line up here. Again, she changed the reads for her own benefit, and not in a natural manner.



She has me in her town list, and UP and Wisp in her scum. Now notice the next few posts:











All shade. To her town read, at once. She states she'd do a re-read, but nothing came of it. She then votes off UP, with no explanation why, and vote KARY.

Wisp

Finally, the final scum... which will surprise you... is Lore. I think they are the sorcerer, and them voting Osie, makes sense, and Wisp's reluctance to vote UP also makes sense. Really, this is a super weak read, but I'm more confident in UP and Osie here. But you might think that, if Osie is scum, why would she hard push her buddy here? It's beneficial for her as a power wolf. I could be wrong here, and that it might be Ex, but I think Wisp is more likely due to Lore's play.

It's really interesting how one of your biggest scum reads is apart of the post aboves town read for reasons on xi's end that I don't personally like.

Anyway your analysis was really strong here. I really like your point on his voting history. I hadn't noticed he really didn't change any votes despite the fact a lot when on that should have logically effected this. That read's list is also pretty bad looking since as you said it lacks reasoning. Also putting yourself as town in a reads list isn't something you should do. It comes off as you really trying to force an opinion on your slot, but the problem is, it doesn't matter what your alignment is. You have to prove your town, you can't just say you are and earn that right to people. In terms of reads, you shouldn't personally involve your slot. It just isn't a good look imo.

In addition, the biggest problem I had which I touched upon a little earlier, is that it felt like way to big of a coincidence that he showed up last night

On page 35, the UP wagon starts, at 7:25pm est. An hour later he is at 4 votes and then shows up after being silent all day. That's too convenient imo and I didn't like it. Felt like the were lurking, realized how fast that all happened and said ****, I better get in here.


Overall I really liked the analysis you put forth. I didn't get a chance to comment before the hammer, but I wanted to finish out this post and my other post anyway. As for your other reads for scum, both could be worth looking into. Right now I still think osie is town, and wiisp is possibly town. Going to re read their posts and yours here again and see for day two what I'm feeling.

 

[Z25]

Some things I would like to respond to this with. In terms of the first read you mentioned. That was agf

It's really interesting how one of your biggest scum reads is apart of the post aboves town read for reasons on xi's end that I don't personally like.

Anyway your analysis was really strong here. I really like your point on his voting history. I hadn't noticed he really didn't change any votes despite the fact a lot when on that should have logically effected this. That read's list is also pretty bad looking since as you said it lacks reasoning. Also putting yourself as town in a reads list isn't something you should do. It comes off as you really trying to force an opinion on your slot, but the problem is, it doesn't matter what your alignment is. You have to prove your town, you can't just say you are and earn that right to people. In terms of reads, you shouldn't personally involve your slot. It just isn't a good look imo.

In addition, the biggest problem I had which I touched upon a little earlier, is that it felt like way to big of a coincidence that he showed up last night

On page 35, the UP wagon starts, at 7:25pm est. An hour later he is at 4 votes and then shows up after being silent all day. That's too convenient imo and I didn't like it. Felt like the were lurking, realized how fast that all happened and said ****, I better get in here.


Overall I really liked the analysis you put forth. I didn't get a chance to comment before the hammer, but I wanted to finish out this post and my other post anyway. As for your other reads for scum, both could be worth looking into. Right now I still think osie is town, and wiisp is possibly town. Going to re read their posts and yours here again and see for day two what I'm feeling.

Sorry for posting, didn't see deadline cap and ignore the top part, my earlier draft apparently got mixed up with the last one I just posted.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I have been anti-town in 6 of the last 7 rolls I have participated in, and in the seventh I was a TPR eventually culted. In every single instance, I have played with a VASTLY different play style. And without fail, I have never survived beyond the second day. This is beyond frustrating. The chance of being antitown for all of those games is, not including the cult game,

3/11 * 4/13 * 2/9 * 4/13 * 3/11 * 3/11 = 0.042%

Edit: Wrong number.

1-VGM2 / 2-Mafiaholics / 3-Newbie1979 / 4-Path of Radiance / 5-Sorcerers Roll 1 / 6-Sorcerers Roll 2

 

[Dooplissity]

Someone has been murdered in the night!
It was

Spoiler

osieorb18, who was a

Spoiler

Martyr!

Day 2 Begins now! Deadline is Feb 13th @ 5:00 PM PST.

 

[ExLight]

nooo

I liked their playstyle

boring kill
if Xivii didn't check either Raxx or Funnier I'll flip

 

[Wiisp]

Is this about the time I say that I didn't reread **** during the night

osieorb18
Rip

 

[Wiisp]

nooo

I liked their playstyle

boring kill
if Xivii didn't check either Raxx or Funnier I'll flip

It wasn't a boring kill... They went for the claimed cop, and Osie blocked it

This game would be super hard for them if they tried to marytr dodge

 

[ExLight]

I know
optimal can be boring too bah

 

[ExLight]

These interactions from Poy to Ranmaru are fishy:

How hard are you trying to appear town?

Ranmaru can you list me some of your townie posts? Thanks

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vote: funnier6

If you're not caught up by now then you're not worth keeping in this game.

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Pythag opinion on Raxxel this game, I don't know them that well and I want the details.