Sorcerer's 11 Open

[UtopianPoyzin]

Zen, why did you ask Pythag about Exlight?

Kary, what is your read on Xiivi?

Why didn't you ask for scumreads from him as you replaced in?

Kary = Mamboo.

I actually laughed out loud at that post is why specifically.

Wisp are you Chad's brother

I think we played some eimm. I go by neo.

Yes that one.

I am of the belief that replace outs should be null.

I want to host a game that is all post restrictions.

Ranmaru time again. Once more, seems to be playing with the goal of inflating their post count? This obviously was not the true intention, but the amount of posts here really speaks to quality over quanity, and I'm doubtful of whether they are trying to solve the game for the number of times they got off topic in this thread. We have a Decisive Games Social Thread for a reason. I get that it could be an inconvenience to move away from the Sorcerer 11 thread, but this page was spread out over a period of 6 hours.

 

[osieorb18]

Hard disagree.

I don't think Ran needed impetus to vote for me. He's voted for plenty of people for plenty of reasons all by himself. Even if he did, Ex was already on me. it appeared to me to be a matter of, they were both in the thread at the same time, and as ran and osie were thinking out loud, they made the decision. Which is why in a few posts Ran said something like 'this is why you're my #1 townread.'

I think I'd believe osie is the trouble maker before Ran.

Ehh, I wouldn't be THAT surprised if Ran is trying to pocket me.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

quality over quanity

Quantity over quality**

 

[osieorb18]

Yea, Ran seem to be flipflopping quite a bit
I found even stranger when he jumped in the Xivii wagon right after I moved there to tie them after saying that I wanted the votes to be split

That was strange.

 

[osieorb18]

I share this sentiment, but this reminds me that you have been mentioning WIFOM plenty of times and I wanted to get your opinion: is it useful to consider WIFOM on D1?

It's useful to mention WIFOM in that people should be cautious that their reads hold water.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Hi yes why

At this point in time of course if you remember that far back

Xivii made cohesive posts that were informative for reading purposes, very responsive, and willing to work with others to solve the game.

I haven't seen him talk about mechanics at all? Whats your point here?

I was referring to in general. Delving into this would bring the discussion off-topic, so I won't... maybe for a bit. In this case, the "mechanic" was the haiku posting. Whenever there is a posting restriction or something strange with the votecount, they tend to dwell on that topic. It mostly applies to role madness games, but the same thought process can be applied here, which is why I stated as such.

 

[ranmaru]

Being off topic in the thread is fine if you are also scum hunting. Plus some of those posts are also responses to someone asking a question.

 

[osieorb18]

For all of the smash on here, there's no supre smesh bras... We need a supre smesh bras character option in our profiles. Otherwise people will never know that I like pikaqiu.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I like how youre acting like you've never met Ex before

So what if I have? Why would ExLight say that he is preemptively scum read before he is scum read. If he's scum, it's a great move, because then people wave him off as "oh he's just always like that". Obviously I don't believe that he's scum, but it wouldn't be out of the question if he was to say that he's naturally scum read before the eventual heat lands his way.

Why’d you answer the second bit for Rax

If I recall correctly, Raxxel had literally just answered a similar question, and the question from Ranmaru that I quoted seemed like Ranmaru just wasn't reading the thread, which is why I decided to comment on it. Obviously I wasn't seriously suspecting Ranmaru at the time, and figured that they might have glossed over Raxxel's response. I still wanted to hear from Pythag, because they hadn't yet provided their input. But, I'm still fine with what I've said.

I think it’s bad that you need Osie’s permission to think it’s good yeah

I liked the post. It was a different way of phrasing "Osie, do you like it as well?", because I knew that Osie still had suspicions about Z25, and I believe they were also posting at the time so I wanted to hear what they had to say about the post.

Can’t imagine why they would, you know me better, if you don’t why should they

This is pretty disgusting, because you don't need to have background knowledge about a player to have conviction about a read on you. I'm fairly confident that there are players in the game who do have conviction about their read on you, and this is their first game with you. What I have picked up on my time playing with you is that you put heavy weight into meta.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Raxxel, how is your read developing on Kary right now?

It is to make his scumhunting more efficient. In no way is it high and mighty, it is me helping. It is a critique.

osieorb18 Pythat only came in thread around page 7, in response to UP asking him to give thoughts.

More of Ranmaru-hour. Still waiting for Ranmaru to analyze a post or two and talk about how that develops their reads, rather than make general posts, some questions, and a megawall of reads once in a while to appear to be contributing.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

yea so
I'm getting lost the more I read the thread

Same my guy. A lot of my town reads are progressively getting more null and I'm not sure how I feel about this happening yet.

 

[Z25]

Yeah I'm gonna be at work for this unfortunately

Tbf you kind of are

Youre supplying the proper context to consider when reading your actions so in a way

I know its dumb but if you could turn off the red text that would be great

It's really super hard for me to read this

I’m on mobile but it should be back to normal. How’s it look?

 

[ranmaru]

It is looking good, Z.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

sus

Elaborate? I see the quote, but I'm not 100% understanding the context.

Ran is Innocent Child for me. He's actually the easiest person to read in mafia and also someone that can be consistently read with meta.

What are you talking about? Ranmaru hasn't even been too townie this game. They have been off topic, primarily asks questions that they don't intend to ever return to, and hadn't started (what I consider to be) breaking down the game until page 31. I cannot see a town read here, much less an Inno. Null at best, scum at worst.

Could you give me a rundown of Ranmaru's town meta and scum meta?

 

[osieorb18]

I'm giving Ran another ISO but if I'm not pretty quickly catching onto something, I'm probably sticking on UP.

 

[ranmaru]

This is helping develop my reads as well.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

oh same time zone as me

Bruh why would you deprive yourself of so much sleep just to make sentence long posts in a mafia game...

Anywho, I wasn't going fast enough and I really wanted to have some live discussion instead of me recapping old banter.

I’m on mobile but it should be back to normal. How’s it look?

My post color should be off as well.

 

[Wiisp]

osieorb18
I just want a counter train to this, and since they are in my ok with lynching as it stands lynch, I placed my vote

 

[ranmaru]

I get too engaged with mafia sometimes. Plus most of the time I post while mobile, I prefer it.

 

[Pythag]

Plus most of the time I post while mobile, I prefer it.

what the heck.

 

[ranmaru]

I am mobile in bed right now.

 

[osieorb18]

ranmaru Any idea where Wisp is? They've been very silent.

 

[Z25]

Glad to see more content from you UtopianPoyzin

Do you have any updated reads based on today’s events since you were out or any other thoughts you have already posted?

Personally I’ve gotta re read this day again and then see how I’m feeling as there’s been a lot to work with today. It’s been a really good day one in terms of discussion and content though.

 

[ranmaru]

I do not have an idea, no.

 

[osieorb18]

ranmaru Also, what's your current reads on ExLight and on Wisp?

 

[Xivii]

UPs catch up posts look very town to me. I couldn't support his lynch.

Funnier is the last person I have to read through and hopefully I'll have enough time to make a reads post.

Osie and Ran, can you tone down your post rate some?

 

[ranmaru]

Scum, slight town.

 

[osieorb18]

Osie and Ran, can you tone down your post rate some?

I am to a degree, I guess. I'm waiting and watching. Biding my time. I can be more proactively inactive, though.

 

[ranmaru]

I can also slow down, will focus more on reading.

 

[Wiisp]

I am right here, I have all of tomorrow to care about this game honestly
its my first day off in a week
Chill!

 

[ExLight]

Scum, slight town.

damn, from null to scum to town to scum
you're swingier than my mood

 

[osieorb18]

I am right here, I have all of tomorrow to care about this game honestly
its my first day off in a week
Chill!

Karote D-R---a. It even kinda matches.

(I'm just yanking your chain.)

 

[ExLight]

Elaborate? I see the quote, but I'm not 100% understanding the context.

disappearing when two town wagons form after being called out for bombarding players with questions is really sus yea

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

So after 2 hours of me catching up on a whole day's worth of content, I feel the strongest about ExLight in terms of my town reads. I think #1336 is a good townie post and ExLight seems to be picking up on things that scum wouldn't think to focus on, such as competing wagons going into the day rather than all in for a mislynch. While I don't necessarily agree with #1301, it also strikes me as town because it looks like ExLight seems to be planning steps in the future in an attempt to nail the sorc.

Ranmaru and Kary have also dropped, partly due to me reconsidering my positions on my previous reads coupled with Xivii's clear of Pythag. I wanted to start with Ranmaru though. In my opinion, anybody can make a readslist, be it scum or town. And because it's still D1, we still can't use any flips to confirm or deny whether anybody's reads were correct or not.
(Now I'm having a difficult time trying to find the post where Ranmaru said that I was scummy for not giving a readlist without prompting, but I really don't think that this would determine my alignment. The thing I remember most about this post was that Ranmaru tried to make themselves look townie by stating that all of their readlists have been made without prompting, which seems to be LAMIST from my perspective.)
Besides this, I have been quoting Ranmaru's recent posts and a lot of it seems to be lacking a drive to actually try to find the scumteam, making Ranmaru a current scumlean for me.

Will be back in 15 with my take on Kary and Funnier, but I feel like I should at least make these two reads of mine public in my absence.

 

[ExLight]

That was strange.

yea

ExLight is my top townread surprisingly. I feel like they are being far more open with their thoughts and don't have anything to hide, whereas any other player could reasonably be a really good WW in my book.

either you're like my soulmate or you're scum pocketing me
what's WW tho

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

-snippity snip snip-

Thank you for context. It's hard to believe, but the Pythag wagon formed this morning and I wasn't even gone for 24 hours.

either you're like my soulmate or you're scum pocketing me
what's WW tho

Don't get too excited, my previous top-townread is now only a moderate town read because I can envision the possibility of Osie being deceitful. So they're probably my #2 at the moment.

WW is werewolf.

Alright now I need to be right back.

 

[osieorb18]

Vote: Kary

Let's leave it here and go have a nice martini.

 

[funnier6]

ranmaru can you list me some of your townie posts? Thanks

All of them, UP.

I find this exchange hilarious cause I was literally quoting the first thing to respond that the question was ridiculous and that the answer was obviously all of them but Ran beat me to it

Am interested in why on earth that was a question in the first place

UtopianPoyzin is one of the top posters. They clearly seem to be hunting. Lots of talks of hunting methods and good responses all of which looks pure.

I..... really cant agree here

Like theres a lot of "hunting" but not a lot of hunting, you know

I really dont see the pureness youre seeing either

Raxxel has a ton of unprompted moments of townie focus. I like them a lot.

Details? Thats a rather short explanation for that read

Ranmaru is someone who I disagree with on reads and style often but I think they look to be solve-oriented in their mindset. Despite the differences in style, I LIKE their style a lot. I think given how hard the disagreements are here, I can't quite give them a full townread, but I can come close.

I can really vibe with this, thats more or less my read on him atm, I'm afraid it's making me biased cause I remember his style more than any of his actual stances which ought to be at least as important to me

I'm feeling really burnt for a load of reasons so I'm probably just gonna pass out in a minute

I have serious doubts about my being able to be caught up enough to place a vote I believe in before work tomorrow

I'm going to try, but coming back to skim more and more pages before digging in to pages from a million years ago gets so disheartening after a while

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah, he's purposely ignoring my content to call it null at that point. Now he's trying to force a scumread. That's the simple fact of it all.

 

[funnier6]

Z25 looked quite scummy to me at first in their push on me, but their backdown felt to me more like a tunneled townie realizing that it didn't hold water than a scum-player who wanted to look good. I also feel like the only teams that really work well with Z25 this game are teams that include a member of my townblock, and that's not a good sign. Last but not least, their #524 response to being one of the top candidates drips townie frustration instead of scummy frustration. His push on Lore feels decent to me, too.

Yeah dont really agree with this either, my progression is like exactly backwards lol

Also poking in to theory that I think its really dumb to start trying to associate players to teams when no scum have flipped. It's just a useless waste of brainpower to try to fit people into teams and disregard it if they're not fitting with other people youre scum reading lol

Scum reads are bound to be wrong, but they're gonna be wrong a lot more if you disregard them over associative reads when you dont have a single flip to back them up

I dont see why scummy people cant just be scummy people without having to figure out the entire team at once

I realize that probably wasnt even what you meant exactly but oh well it got me started

ExLight sets themself up to do nothing...

Be glad when hes doing nothing, cause if hes doing something its generally making me want to kill him

Mamboo-slot did nothing throughout the game, and it became clear that they intended to troll. They felt more like newb!scum than newb!town

I dont see why you have the impression of scum over town from that

On Page 10 in particular, it really feels that they are addressing someone who they think is town, which doesn't mesh well for me.

I dont really understand this either since I talk to everyone as if they're town just because thats the most likely scenario and makes me less insane because I know them actually are town and also that the whoever I'm scum reading very well might be town as well so I like to give that benefit of the doubt

Except when I am hilariously wrong ha ha ha sigh

Funnier has been open-lurking A LOT

Love you too