Sorcerer's 11 Open

[ranmaru]

damn that's a lotta nulls/QUOTE]

I am referencing this. Why say this, what's your conclusion from it? Why did you cut out the analysis when quoting Rax?

 

[ranmaru]

I'm voting Pythag because he's my scummiest read and I want people to discuss him more.

Why is he scummy to you?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

why not both
I'll try to pick some posts that came off as aggressive to me

Still waiting for a follow up? It’s usually anti-town to make a post saying you’ll do something, but then forget after a couple more posts.

 

[ExLight]

I am referencing this. Why say this, what's your conclusion from it? Why did you cut out the analysis when quoting Rax?

The **** is a cut out
if you mean me snapping only the conclusion part then why wouldn't I
it's the part that is relevant to me

And how am I supposed to conclude anything from an early list where 8/10 people are null; lists are made to be compared at different points of the game imo, a single loose list before any info is revealed is as useful as Gold Pills.
I said already that if he's (she?) town then the list seems to be honest and humble. If yall expect something more than a shallow impression yall overthinking too much how to play imo k thanks sorry not sorry.

Why is he scummy to you?

I'm doing a bit of an ISO rn I'll post it soon

Still waiting for a follow up? It’s usually anti-town to make a post saying you’ll do something, but then forget after a couple more posts.

Right, forgot about that
sigh
I'll start doing that too

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Okay. I've compiled a list of notes over a majority of the pages. I'm going to put them behind a spoiler.

Spoiler: Notes,

Ranmaru:
- First post (#113) is a wordless vote. It's beginning of the game, but still the lack of conversation and them opting to vote without prompting further discussion in contrast with everyone else is notable.
- Notable effort to help newcomer Mamboo find their way in their first mafia game (#119). Given my experience with guiding hands when I was newer, this is less town than it may seem. Lore similarly helped me in my first game only for them to be scum.
- Claims that their effort to help Mamboo is non-alignment indicative (#125). Ultimately, rather town. Being unafraid to state that their post held no implications of being town means they feel confident in their town status as is.
- Ranmaru questions some of osie's posts (#147). Good questions that I felt similarly about, especially the questioning of TMI and Mamb=town. Town vibes.
- Ran votes for Osie (#173). With context, this reasoning is pretty solid and agreeable save for his first point about the 127 post which he later rectifies with an unvote (#179). Town vibes, one of the first real votes of the game.

Utopian:
- Their first callout is towards Xivii (#117). They believe Xivii's humor is forced. While I believe UP's callout amounts to little, I see it as town ultimately as UP is trying to start some sort of scum analysis.
- UP makes another prod, this time at Ranmaru (#120). They challenge their town legitimacy. Ultimately, this is some rather weak pressure. Null-scum feel from this.
- UP follows up on this by soft pedaling a little (#123). They claim that they were just keeping Ranmaru in check so as not to let them get comfy with Mamboo to avoid being scumread. Obviously, them backing away on pressure doesn't give me confidence in their town status.
- Asks osie about how they feel about the game thus far (#141). Very safe and general question. Null to null scum vibes.
- UP responds to Xivii (#149). This post refutes some of Xivii's points without being too defensive. I especially like that they repeated my sentiment towards the first post Xivii cited. Town vibes.
- UP responds to osie's mamboo town quip (#151). Good reasoning behind their town read on Mamboo. Town vibes.
- UP responds to Z's scum analysis (#188). I basically agree with all of this. Plus the point about Osie's vote being the first to be based on evidence is good. Town vibes.
- UP continues questioning Z's focus on format rather than content (#198). I have little to say here, it's good questioning that keeps discussion going, especially on the first rather consecutive and consistently scummy set of posts. Town vibes.
- UP asks Mamboo a set of questions (#200). Really null on this one, very safe post.
- UP responds to Z and the question callout (#210). Good pressure on Z regarding his stance on the Osie Xivii callout and the haikus. Response to the question callout is lacking though. Mamboo barely participated, there was no way they could answer two of these questions with their lack of experience. therefor they do little even in the way of RQS. Null.

Osie:
- First callout post goes towards Utopian (#127). Here, Osie definitely follows a similar thought process as me, and calls out how weak this pressure is. Definitely town vibes.
- Osie takes issue with Xivii's UP callout as well as responding to UP's question (#145). Their reasoning doesn't quite line up with mine though. Their answer comes as expected. Null vibes.
- Osie responds to Ran's questioning and expands on their scum lean towards Xivii (#155). Little to say on this honestly. I've used the pace control reasoning behind scum reads as both a town and scum player in the past. It's kind of an easy accusation to throw out. Null to null-scum vibes.
- Osie basically drops a content bomb (#288). Fantastic post, only complaint is that it's a pain in the ass manually looking for those post stamps that are cited. Towniest post in the game.


Funnier:
- I initially hated this entrance (#136). I'm still not a big fan of it, but I can see that while there is a declaration of inactivity, it's mostly in jest which is helped by them starting by voting for their friend. Null.
- Funnier responds to UP's question about him being town (#186). I wasn't even going to include this but at this point funnier has had one note. Anyway this post is useless. Scum vibes.
- Funnier responds to Pythag (#274). I like this post, I like that Funnier is actually expanding upon his vote for Ex. A random Lore town read, which, this early, is fair. Null town.
- Funnier gives thoughts on Osie (#329). I have mixed feelings. I think that his reaction to Osie's read feels town, doesn't feel defensive and more just confused. However, this implication that he can't be read because we don't know him yet is silly. Meta is indeed a huge part of mafia, but it's still absolutely fair to judge one based on their standalone actions. Null scum.

Xivii:
- This one hits quite hard (#143). Xivii goes in on Utopian both for their callout of the joke vote and their refusal to address Ranmaru. I have mixed feelings on this post. I feel their response to the joke vote callout is irrational and overly defensive. However, their point about Utopian attacking Ran is great and gives me town vibes with how they willing redirected UP's accusation to themselves. Their point about aggression is a mixed bag for me, because ultimately UP is not being that aggressive, although I feel that is to UP's detriment in my eyes in terms of their town status. What bothers me especially is that Xivii cites a post from UP that really doesn't even have to do with the game, as it's speaking to someone outside of it. Saying null doesn't really help summarize my thoughts on this post, because it is a big one. The aggression and joke callouts give off null scum vibes to me, but the Ranmaru callout-related part is very town to me.
- Xivii lays out their current scum reads (#163). I found Lore and Z25 to be especially interesting choices given they hadn't posted yet. Xivii later justifies this with process of elimination later (#191). Null town vibes.
- Xivii without prompt defends Osie (#176). Gives context to Osie's actions. Definitely a town move, scum would just let Osie get tunneled, unless Osie and Xivii are scum mates. Even still the reasoning is very solid.
- Xivii defends Osie further (#222). Null town. I agree mostly with these points, only thing is that Ranmaru absolutely needed clarification for those said two points.
- Xivii votes Mamboo (#225). Yeah. It's a safe vote but yeah. Null town.
- Xivii switches up their vote to Z (#262). Makes sense since Mamboo is getting replaced and Z is really wobbly right now. Also some unprompted seer reads. And a sorcerer read on Pythag. Just generally proactive, town behavior. Null town.

Z25:
- Z comes into the game answering Lore's scum read question (#187). Z throws out that he does not like Osie's haiku format, and finds it to be a means of posting as little as possible. I don't agree with this reasoning at all, and while I see it as still some early game prodding, it's still the biggest stretch thus far in this game. Null scum vibes.
- Z responds to UP (#192). While it's not too defensive and overall does make his previous callout smaller and less brash, his reasoning still falls short with his focus on the haikus. Really weak contribution, ultimately gives scum vibes.
- Z kinda goes off the rails a bit at (#202). I wouldn't say they're doubling down on a scum read, but they are doubling down on this stance towards Osie's haikus. The finger pointing towards UP's vote really doesn't help. A bit overly defensive. I will say however, to be this stubborn towards this view point and not immediately cave tells me either Z is legitimately town and is confident enough in his town status that he will stand behind what he has said, or he's scum and has decided that backpedaling now would just make things worse. Null scum.
- Z calls out UP's questions (#203). This... is kinda how I feel about the post. Two of these questions are definitely not something Mamboo could answer as an absolute newcomer. Question 3 is the only really plausible one. Null town.
- Z expands on his reasoning in response to Xivii's defense of Osie (#218). I can now kind of see what he was saying here. Osie's initial callout of Xivii did lead to some confusion, so it is true that the format sometimes struggles in giving full context to observations or allegations. This is somewhat inconsistent to what he was saying before however. Null.
- Z continues his conversation with UP (#225). His point about answering questions would be more fair if he wasn't firing back so aggressively to make his point. Still, mostly reasonable post. Null.
- Z applauds Osie (#298). Not immediately hopping aboard the Lore scum wagon definitely gives off town vibes to me. Null town.

Lore:
- I'm kinda going to sum up their posts instead of going case by case because their content is focused on one thing, aside from a callout on me speaking to Mamboo, which felt like a little bit of a stretch. Definitely was the scummiest player to me by a long shot, basically was Z's content but worse given their utter refusal to see past the format of Osie's posts.

Pythag:
- FINALLY MY MAN COMES IN HOT, ONLY PLAYER BESIDES Z TO HAVE BEEN IN ALL THREE GAMES SO FAR WITH ME (UP HOSTED JUNGLE MAFIA BUT DIDN'T PLAY IN IT) (#258). Does some poetry of his own, with an interesting take going against the current popular opinion against Z. Unfortunately, this post offers not a whole lot of actual reasoning behind the current reads. It is still early game though. Null.
- Pythag pressures Funnier (#263). Definitely a needed bit of attention towards a player that's not been under enough scrutiny. Null town.

ExLight:
- All I'm going to say is that I hate #383 with a burning passion completely unrelated to scumhunting. Damn you. Anyway null town.

So, reads on everyone...

First is that Osie is definitely the most town to me. Kept their composure through all accusations, and has been a consistent contributor to scum analysis.

Pythag is null to me right now. I do agree with some of his moves. I think UP has been a bit scattered. That said, other reads I feel give scummier players way too much benefit of the doubt.

Ranmaru is town/null town. I don't think it's out of the question that he could be scum, but he's been good at asking questions, especially towards the more popularly town players.

Xivii is town. Though they started kind of rough in my opinion, they've been consistent and have made some very significant posts this game.

UP is null town. They've had posts that are questionable, like the Mamboo questions, but they've also been great in noticing behavior and pushing for more discussion. I especially have enjoyed their prompts towards me to speak on others. They COULD be scum, but I feel safe about this slot.

ExLight is null. They appear much later in this thread and I've been at this for hours, so I apologize for not having much to say on them right now. I will revisit this slot,

I can't give any impressions on Mamboo's slot. It's been as good as inactive. Null I guess.

Funnier is null to me right now. I like some of their posts, but they've also made some questionable points, I especially did not enjoy their start, nor the

Z is null scum to me right now. Rather inconsistent with his reasoning to dislike the Osie haikus, and ultimately hasn't contributed much beyond refuting others. He isn't irredeemable by any measure but he needs to do more in the way of scum analysis to convince me that he isn't the pick for today.

Lore was my scummiest pick. I'm not entirely sure how to judge this slot now though. Null scum???

Eh. Why is reading Pythag so exciting? Comes off as forced.

However, your notes bit looks like a good stream of conscious so I like it.

I have some concerns with your read of me, however. You seem to be correlating tone with alignment, noting how my forceful posts are interpreted as scum leaning but the later posts are town leaning? I’ve been the same person the whole game.

In addition, you said that my Mamboo questioning was null and unreadablein your notes, but said it was questionable later? Why wouldn’t you say the posts you designated as potentially scummy?

 

[ranmaru]

Reading ZZ5 over again, I see no real effort to sort players from him. The only questioning he has done, has been to UP, Osie, and myself. As Rax has said, ZZ5 has only been giving content in response to questions from others. He has a scum lean in #535 on Ex but keeps his vote on Lore. No change in read on ZZ5.

 

[ExLight]

Ok so about Pythag, it's not much and maybe it's OMGUS but WHATEVER

I think a Lore!scum flip would pretty much clear xivii in my mind.

ok, so rereading his posts I came across this one
commentaries like this that seem like massive logic gaps without any reasoning behind
iirc Xivii was voting Sakurai and suggested cop/seer targets that weren't Lore, so this association that Lore and Xivii can't be scumbuds is kinda "eh?" and literally makes no sense to me and if anything that kinda raises a read flag to me

I agree with Poy in #367 and have no idea what counterpoint Py tried to make in response at #373

from townreading me in #263 cuz I had a ""wagon"" to outta nowhere coming at me full force at #525 onwards without any attempt of interactions between us both is just uncalled for and opportunistic

I really didn't like the responses of :
Hey I'm not giving this time, and then immediately whined that no one was trying to get to know him. It seemed like he was going to be intentionally low effort, like Mamboo. That's not necessarily encouraging others imo.

his explanation of why he would be that way makes more sense, and his activity has been better. Idk.

who was this directed at tho

 

[ExLight]

oh, xivii also found Poy to be aggressive at the beginning of the game lol

 

[#HBC | Kary]

from townreading me in #263 cuz I had a ""wagon"" to outta nowhere coming at me full force at #525 onwards without any attempt of interactions between us both is just uncalled for and opportunistic

How is it uncalled for?
How is it opportunistic?

 

[ranmaru]

If you don't have a conclusion (town or scum), why mention the nulls at all.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Vote: UtopianPoyzin

 

[ExLight]

Right, forgot about that
sigh
I'll start doing that too

idfk, I'm rereading them but now they all seem kinda ambiguous
I separated a bunch but when isolated they look somewhat towny and empty which is kinda annoying so looking back at them it looks like it was a massive waste of my time thanks I hate it poy

him asking all sorts of random or pointless questions seem like a way to try to corner or squeeze reactions from people and is coming off as aggressive to me but it can really be seen as him being just hyperactive and annoying

it feels like CWAC and I feel like Poyzin might be the sorcerer trying to blend a way of calling out one of their scumbuds by poking them in a massive landslide of interactions, and that if anyone flips they should give him D1 questions a second look
yes it a really crazy tinfoil theory and I'm hanging with it right now

How is it uncalled for?
How is it opportunistic?

it's uncalled for because we hadn't interacted at all before that so if he really felt bothered by my actions he could've poked me a bit instead of just dropping a bomb on how scummy I am outta nowhere
and it's opportunistic because as soon he saw some people were slightly scumreading me he went there and parroted them

hi there I know you joined kinda late but do you have any opinions on any wagons or players?

If you don't have a conclusion (town or scum), why mention the nulls at all.

I mean, I left a bit of what I think of it there; and it's somewhat of a way to poke them
what was I supposed to have based on someone's else null list?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Do you stand by what UtopianPoyzin said in the post that Z25 quoted? As much as I like a lot of Poyzin's posts, this is just wrong on a basic level:



This is saying that Day 1, the day when as town we have the least information, we shouldn't lynch anyone on whom we aren't absolutely certain.

In contrast, I've gone back to look at Z25's posts time and time again, and the more I look at it, the more the needle sways towards town for me.

Back from an hour long talk about scholarships.

I think you are creating a false dilemma. Day one is the only day where you don’t have hard confirmed evidence that somebody is or isn’t mafia. I’m not the seer so I wouldn’t know either.

By “maybe town” I’m talking about reads that are town leaned and there is no convincing reason to vote for somebody. Like if somebody is probably scum and there isn’t a good reason to keep them around on Day 1, then we can lynch them. But if there is a good case for somebody being town and the only reason to lynch them is INFO, then I can’t support it.

 

[ranmaru]

Ex, how do you feel about #535?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I think you are creating a false dilemma

The false dilemma is between “maybe town” and “absolutely certain of scum”. There is definitely a range in between.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Ranmaru looks townie on page 15, but it’s been a one-time-thing for me so I’m keeping them in null for now to wait for longer term towniness.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Null-town lean^^

 

[ExLight]

Ex, how do you feel about #535?

Reading it right now

side note but the way yall treat older messages here make me feel like I'm in those "make your own adventure" books that are all like "go to page 245" and then page 245 is a one liner saying "go to page 332" and page 332 sends you to "page 110" which sends you back to the first page and **** it is annoying

ok finished ranting now back to reading the messages

 

[#HBC | Kary]

it's uncalled for because we hadn't interacted at all before that so if he really felt bothered by my actions he could've poked me a bit instead of just dropping a bomb on how scummy I am outta nowhere
and it's opportunistic because as soon he saw some people were slightly scumreading me he went there and parroted them

Inconsequential? little lazy? Nothing of real substance posted. Lots of interactions with UP and Funnier, but that's pretty much it.
Posting his meta was odd, and uncalled for, after i think someone specifically said meta isn't that great. (I think it was osio)

What part of this is calling you scummy?

hi there I know you joined kinda late but do you have any opinions on any wagons or players?

Yes.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

UtopianPoyzin I want to hear your read on myself / Mamboo

Sure. Absolutely nothing, for an easy null placement. The only possible townie post was Mamboo asking the thread what to do instead of the scumchat, but that is mere conjecture.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

UtopianPoyzin I want to hear your read on myself / Mamboo

Sure. Absolutely nothing, for an easy null placement. The only possible townie post was Mamboo asking the thread what to do instead of the scumchat, but that is mere conjecture.

Alright Kary I'm relying on you to break this whole game down to the core. Once you're caught up I'd love to hear your thoughts on Lore and Z25's reactions to Osie and whether there is scum there.

If you're null on me, why did you say you would be relying on me to help you ?
Sounds a lot like you already know I'm town and are trying to get on my good side.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

For the record, I think that the Lore / z25 / osie argument is a stupid thing to focus the Day phase around. Wouldn't be surprised if there's no scum there at all. Didn't see enough from Lore to actually get a read on them. That slot needs replacing ASAP.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

it was a massive waste of my time thanks I hate it poy

him asking all sorts of random or pointless questions seem like a way to try to corner or squeeze reactions from people and is coming off as aggressive to me but it can really be seen as him being just hyperactive and annoying

Now that you’ve reread me, you can quote me one of these “pointless” questions instead of being very ambiguous about it? I can assure you that if you are talking about the Mamboo questions, those were absolutely not pointless.

it feels like CWAC and I feel like Poyzin might be the sorcerer trying to blend a way of calling out one of their scumbuds by poking them in a massive landslide of interactions, and that if anyone flips they should give him D1 questions a second look
yes it a really crazy tinfoil theory and I'm hanging with it right now

First, what’s CWAC again?

Second, I really think you are overstating my “massive landslide” of interactions.

Third, I’m actually trying to figure out this game using my newfound tricks of the mafia trade that I gathered in my absence. No need to tinfoil just because I heavy lurked in PoR mafia and I’m actually active here. Literally check any of my games on this site.

 

[ExLight]

Now that you’ve reread me, you can quote me one of these “pointless” questions instead of being very ambiguous about it? I can assure you that if you are talking about the Mamboo questions, those were absolutely not pointless.

other players literally pointed it out already and you even linked a mafiascum page to show how townie that strategy is
I ain't gon empty my multiquote to go looking for them again

First, what’s CWAC again?

Contributing without actually contributing

Third, I’m actually trying to figure out this game using my newfound tricks of the mafia trade that I gathered in my absence. No need to tinfoil just because I heavy lurked in PoR mafia and I’m actually active here. Literally check any of my games on this site.

hell yea I'm gonna tilfoil
can you feel it

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Alright Kary I'm relying on you to break this whole game down to the core. Once you're caught up I'd love to hear your thoughts on Lore and Z25's reactions to Osie and whether there is scum there.

If you're null on me, why did you say you would be relying on me to help you ?

Where did I ask for your help? I didn’t. There’s no way I could know that you’re town because Mamboo gave you absolutely no favors. I just know that you’re an analytical player and I wanted you to break the game down. That does not equate to “let me line up my reads with yours”. I’m feeling pretty confident about the status of my reads and I don’t need you misinterpreting me.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

other players literally pointed it out already and you even linked a mafiascum page to show how townie that strategy is
I ain't gon empty my multiquote to go looking for them again

So you are talking about the Mamboo questions. And they are “pointless”? Literally what are you talking about? That strategy isn’t townie, it isn’t scummy either. It’s literally asking questions to progress the game for newbies as an alternative to RVS. I brought the game down to a level where Mamboo could actually contribute, and it’s pointless now?

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

So you are talking about the Mamboo questions. And they are “pointless”? Literally what are you talking about? That strategy isn’t townie, it isn’t scummy either. It’s literally asking questions to progress the game for newbies as an alternative to RVS. I brought the game down to a level where Mamboo could actually contribute, and it’s pointless now?

I linked to a page about RQS. It isnt a strategy for ONE person; it’s a method of progressing the game that can be used by
either alignment.

 

[ExLight]

So you are talking about the Mamboo questions. And they are “pointless”? Literally what are you talking about? That strategy isn’t townie, it isn’t scummy either. It’s literally asking questions to progress the game for newbies as an alternative to RVS. I brought the game down to a level where Mamboo could actually contribute, and it’s pointless now?

I literally point out that you're being aggressive with pointless questions and you reply that with three more
is this intentional or

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Contributing without actually contributing

You don’t think I’m actually contributing? I’m posting in class because I’ve lost too many rounds in a row and I will get the information I need.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

I literally point out that you're being aggressive with pointless questions and you reply that with three more
is this intentional or

Yes, this is aggressive post, good job for pointing it out. Aggression also doesn’t determine alignment.

 

[ExLight]

You don’t think I’m actually contributing? I’m posting in class because I’ve lost too many rounds in a row and I will get the information I need.

damn you really are like me

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

damn you really are like me

Is my asking questions scummy, townie, or is it NAI, and why.

 

[ExLight]

Is my asking questions scummy, townie, or is it NAI, and why.

Not asking questions is scummy, asking questions is town; asking TOO many questions is scummy

by asking too many questions one might be trying to get town to slip, start multiple wagons so they can hang in a mislynch or dilute the votes, mess other people's readslists, make their ISO harder, and in this setup make their scumbuds aware that they're the sorcerer

 

[ExLight]

Not asking questions is scummy, asking questions is town; asking TOO many questions is scummy

by asking too many questions one might be trying to get town to slip, start multiple wagons so they can hang in a mislynch or dilute the votes, mess other people's readslists, make their ISO harder, and in this setup make their scumbuds aware that they're the sorcerer

if that wasn't a direct answer, you're being scummy cuz you kinda fit the asking way too many questions
chill a bit and take it slower if you're town

quality over quantity

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Where did I ask for your help? I didn’t. There’s no way I could know that you’re town because Mamboo gave you absolutely no favors. I just know that you’re an analytical player and I wanted you to break the game down. That does not equate to “let me line up my reads with yours”. I’m feeling pretty confident about the status of my reads and I don’t need you misinterpreting me.

Your post was clearly appealing to me, I don't see how you can argue with that. But let's hear your scumreads since you're confident.

 

[ExLight]

Ex, how do you feel about #535?

pretty eh
I've seen people get ExNoid over way less so it's pretty NAI
it feels like it's kinda his attempt to fit in with the popular opinions since he's being scumread, his reads are more accurate than Py's and seem to be coming from a place of less hostility which feels less scummy

I'll reply to his points here \/
====

478 and 479

are posts that I feel tryS to hard to try and sell the slot as a townie or a player with bad luck.

hi do you know the character in my avatar
and yes I'm town

Yes Ex is new but both these posts seem out of place and trying to set up a narrative and picture of them that we should trust

yea, and since the narrative is legit this is completely NAI jsyk
there's nothing unusual for a new player to want people to trust them, no matter their alignment

The use of all caps and again trying to use past games as hard evidence of their statements being true sounds like WIFOM.

this sounds like something straight up outta an Alex Jones parody which is funny
"He uses big letters so he wants to confuse everybody and kill us" lmfao

he does say that it's most likely NAI afterwards, but eh, why even point out if he's aware that it is NAI

They talk about to Pythag how they had the idea of d1 voting being essentially a Guess first and how that I was parroting this.

Except I’m pretty sure I’m not the only other person in this thread with that idea( but I’d have to re read). It’s not like it’s a big revelation either. If you’ve played mafia this is common knowledge, so using it to take a bit of a jab at me comes off as a weaker point imo.

Idk what Py meant by similar, but I meant the idea that voting Lore after they left to not leave an inactive around just wasting a slot was the common aspect between my commentary and your vote

If you were voting Lore just and purely because you were "taking a random guess because it's D1" then I'm not sure why you tried to provide a different explanation in your vote post eh

let's be honest tho, he's just trying to save his own ass and I ain't jabbing noone lmfao
no need to come with two or three excuses

This again gives off a sort of victim act from them which I don’t like. If you're town it only makes you look bad and isn’t a strong play imo.

you'd be surprised

Granted I can definitely see them being upset by pythag’s post which comes off a little harsh. Ex’s reaction to it still isn’t too great though, but I could see it as frustrated town. I don’t agree with them going to vote afterwards for pythag.

Pythag was applying a lot of pressure on them so I get where ex could be coming from, but it seems to be a strong and bad reaction to pressure.

yea, I hate the wording but that's pretty much it thanks for putting it in easier words

 

[ranmaru]

I ask you that because ZZ5 also scum leans you and had no interaction with you.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Is my asking questions scummy, townie, or is it NAI, and why.

Trick question, it’s none. The reads that I infer from the questions are what determine my alignment, not the act of asking questions.

Not asking questions is scummy, asking questions is town; asking TOO many questions is scummy

by asking too many questions one might be trying to get town to slip, start multiple wagons so they can hang in a mislynch or dilute the votes, mess other people's readslists, make their ISO harder, and in this setup make their scumbuds aware that they're the sorcerer

Goldlocks is famous for several layers of wine.

if that wasn't a direct answer, you're being scummy cuz you kinda fit the asking way too many questions
chill a bit and take it slower if you're town

quality over quantity

And you see, that’s alright. I’m not WW or sorc, so I don’t have anything to worry about besides have a good, in-depth reading of everybody.

In the last two games that we have played here, the general activity of DGames has severely declined to the point where the last game we played (with 11 players) was over after 22 pages. We are about to hit 17 on Day 1. I’m trying to increase the global content output of the game, and I’d say I was successful, but you appear to be overstating my presence. Not all of
my posts have been questioning others, and I’d consider all of them to be quality.

 

[UtopianPoyzin]

Your post was clearly appealing to me,

As in you replacing into the game? With a history of being analytical? Sure I appealed to that, if that’s what you call it.

But let's hear your scumreads since you're confident.

I don’t have enough time to elaborate on everything because I need to go soon, but I can give you my thoughts in a sentence each so you have something to work with.

I currently scumread Z25, but it was early on and I started liking their later posts, so it’s a slight scumlean in the lynch pool for them.

Lore’s behavior lines up with scum!Lore has in the past, but I am against wagoning them for now until we have a replacement who can defend that slot, but a mod kill might be appropriate if none is found soon.

Pythag is kind of giving me some light scum pings due to how off base they are in my opinion with defenses for their reads that I would consider weak.

Ranmaru and you are still pretty dead bull at the moment. I don’t think these reads will change for now.

 

[osieorb18]

osieorb18 why were you so interested in Z25s thoughts on Ex?

They talked about catching up, and in 466 mentioned maybe having a scumread on Ex. It was also a way to draw Z25 out to post reads and see if it felt organic.