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She suree doesn't.The Queen of Hyrule doesn't deserve low tier!
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She suree doesn't.The Queen of Hyrule doesn't deserve low tier!
Do you mean SSB4 Zelda has more potential than 'we' realize? Or do you mean Zelda in general...She has a lot more potential than some people realize.
They are different, as Zelda is. But the changes have all been considered, and our consensus here and elsewhere about SSB4 Zelda is that they're not nearly enough to get her past low/low-mid tiers as she is now. Some changes have arguably been buffs, but if she wanted to get anywhere, she would've needed few to no nerfs at all...which she definitely has at least a few of now from Brawl --> SSB4. Read prev page + other threads. There'll hopefully be more buffs before release, but it's hard to get hopes up when Nintendo has attempted to balance her in Melee/Brawl game and fallen short both times.As a Zelda main in every iteration of Smash. Analyzing the footage from everything it seems even though her moves do less, they can combo. I saw Utilt+Utilt+Up smash during the demo. People need to get that this IS NOT BRAWL. Characters WILL be different!
1) Don't quadruple post.I don't agree with zeros judgement
Please be careful of even double-posting or you'll get warned. Quad-posting is NOT allowed, and could lead to a ban. I am not a mod, but please be careful in the future.If you guys want to see some good gameplay of her in action to analyse for yourselves I recommend 2yesgaming, gamexplain, vgbootcamp, beanman25jr, yoshiller, zykrex, nintendoworldreport, and EWnetwork.. I doubt she will be top tier but possibly mid tier or mid low tier. The only major problems she faces is the slowness of dins fire and phantom slash and the landing lag of her lightning kicks. But anyway these were just his first impressions I guess we just have to wait until the tier list officially comes out
Doesn't she have a different build now than from the E3 demo?The information we gathered during E3 wasn't the most optimistic for Zelda honestly... especially given her incredibly poor showing at the Invitational. At the time, I was pretty much inclined to agree with the initial tier list.
Things are a bit different now that we have more solid information and seeing Zelda in practice.
nope :DDoesn't she have a different build now than from the E3 demo?
I'll enjoy it while it lasts. >_>
PERFECT. This is exactly what I had in mind. That way on the 2nd tier list, she can go up to 52nd! :DI can see the tier list already
50th Ganondorf
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53rd Zelda
Something here doesn't seem to quite add up...
You mean, people who have been playing with a single incarnation of Zelda for the past dozen years suddenly find that one that has been rebuilt from the ground up, that has different strengths, different weaknesses, and a totally different play style did not actually provide a balanced, measured, and fair assessment of how the new Zelda stands on her own merits?The information we gathered during E3 wasn't the most optimistic for Zelda honestly... especially given her incredibly poor showing at the Invitational. At the time, I was pretty much inclined to agree with the initial tier list.
Things are a bit different now that we have more solid information and seeing Zelda in practice.
So we just missed Farore's Wind being able to KO characters at 30% somehow?Except she doesn't. She's the same Zelda but with a better up tilt.
So we have exact frame data for every attack, in-depth analysis of every hitbox, knowledge of any and all sweetspots she may have, and a decently formed metagame with distinct foci and all valid play styles analyzed and decided already?It doesn't KO at 30%, it KO's midweights at about 90% AT BEST.
It's still not a move that you're going to use to hit people with.
GGGAARGHRRGRH IM TELEPORTING AT YOU, PLEASE DON'T PUNISH ME
Zelda's moveset doesn't work.So we have exact frame data for every attack, in-depth analysis of every hitbox, knowledge of any and all sweetspots she may have, and a decently formed metagame with distinct foci and all valid play styles analyzed and decided already?
Geez, I'm behind the times.
Guess who was first on that list?I remember when the first Brawl tier lists came out. The first legit one. DK was higher than Diddy (Only by one, but seriously.)
The game's going to change alot, and honestly I'm not going to take any list seriously when the game isn't even out in the west.
Oh, hey, hey, I sure wasn't saying they're completely innacurate! Meta Knight's place never changed, and I think Snake was second on the list, and he didn't change much.when i read posts like this it takes a toll on my emotional health
Zelda's moveset doesn't work.
She feels the same as Brawl, where you could easily argue she was as bad (if not worse) than Ganondorf. She still is plagued by the same problems. It's safe to say that she'll be horrible this game too.
Guess who was first on that list?
Meta Knight.
Just because a list is early doesn't invalidate the whole thing.
I expect my list to be wrong. I want to come back in 3 years and laugh because of how the metagame will have developed from everyone thinking Bowser is top tier to mid tier etc.
But I'm fairly certain (90%) she'll be low tier or worse.
It's almost like people don't know what a shield grab is!If Zelda ever uses Farore's offensively, all you have to do is shield then punish.
That's the wrong way to think of Faore's Wind. You do realize that it's basically the same as Metaknight's Down-B, except with far greater range? And Metaknight's Down-B was a REALLY GOOD MOVE.It doesn't KO at 30%, it KO's midweights at about 90% AT BEST.
It's still not a move that you're going to use to hit people with.
GGGAARGHRRGRH IM TELEPORTING AT YOU, PLEASE DON'T PUNISH ME
I miss you. Seeing you exist on these boards makes me feel good, but not seeing you since Thursday makes me sad. We didn;'t meant to scare you off.Sorry I didn't know
Funny, your post has Zelda as the background.If Zelda ever uses Farore's offensively, all you have to do is shield then punish.