Social Sonic Says: Ultimate

[ROOOOY!]

Is RoL really as bad as 06 or worse? Not sure if its even worth picking up for comedic value after reading what most think about it. Also unleashed was legit, one of the only last few sonic games along with generations which was actually...fun.

 

[Gregory2590]

Supposedly it is. However, the cartoon doesn't suffer the same fate. The show is actually funny.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Is RoL really as bad as 06 or worse? Not sure if its even worth picking up for comedic value after reading what most think about it. Also unleashed was legit, one of the only last few sonic games along with generations which was actually...fun.

I wouldn't go as far as saying Rise of Lyric was that bad, but I do agree that they could've put more effort into it.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Is RoL really as bad as 06 or worse? Not sure if its even worth picking up for comedic value after reading what most think about it. Also unleashed was legit, one of the only last few sonic games along with generations which was actually...fun.

Rise of Lyric.....
I still consider 06 as the worse game, but Boom is still awful. If you have to get it, get it used, Sega does not deserve a single cent with that game.

As for when I became a Sonic fan, that was around 2004, but it honestly feels like I've known Sonic for my entire life.
My first game was Heroes (which I still like.)

 

[Seagull Joe]

How does even beat a with kong cyclone legal?

 

[Camalange]

First time I played Will, I actually almost took the first round from him. Second round, I completely sealed my fate by making the worst CP of my life with Halberd and got utterly bodied. I got some more practice since then, and it seems to me that the best luck I have is just respecting DK more than I've ever had to in my entire life.

You pretty much just can't punish the Kong Cyclone. I think if it starts sucking you in, you can sometimes sneak a Nair to hit him but even that's risky.

It's not enough that it sucks you in, has super armor, can be comboed into, and can KO... But it doesn't even have landing lag if done correctly.

 

[Jason the Yoshi]

Rise of Lyric.....
I still consider 06 as the worse game, but Boom is still awful. If you have to get it, get it used, Sega does not deserve a single cent with that game.

As for when I became a Sonic fan, that was around 2004, but it honestly feels like I've known Sonic for my entire life.
My first game was Heroes (which I still like.)

Same here. Twas an old friend who introduced me to Sonic shortly after he was confirmed for Brawl. He showed me some action from Team Dark, and I just couldn't resist the urge to learn how to play.

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

vs kong cyclone i've always used burning spin dash just to ensure i can control the ground with the chance of hitting DK as he lands and not have to worry about hammer or normal spin dashes hop that could get sucked into kong cyclone. but other than that simply respect the up B. try to get some type of % lead early on and force him to approach you. DK is still just as big and easy target just now he has a very powerful and abusable movement option. Basically treat it like brawl MK Nado where you want to avoid it and wait for them to mess up.

 

[Espy Rose]

So I found some neat 0-40% combo strings, and a 0-54% string on Diddy.

I also did hard data mining on Sonic's percentages, knockback, and knockback speed so that when the patch hits in two days, I can recollect the data and figure out for sure what was nerfed/buffed.

KID was right, spin to spike is guaranteed on all characters. Timing's different on everybody.
Sonic can footstool dair spike Mario and Pikachu. It's amazing.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

Sonic can footstool dair spike Mario and Pikachu. It's amazing.

Known for a while, but no one reads the moveset thread, so.. yeah.

Sheik as well, this is important.

I was thinking of making a list of who can be spiked from a footstool or not.. But I guess I'm only gonna do that after the patch is released.

 

[Espy Rose]

Why? I seriously doubt the patch is going to touch footstool or dair mechanics.

Hadn't tried it on Sheik. All I know is that it works on Mario, Pikachu, and Yoshi, but not Fox, Zero Suit Samus, or Diddy Kong. Haven't really tried it with anyone else.

 

[Gregory2590]

So I found some neat 0-40% combo strings, and a 0-54% string on Diddy.

I also did hard data mining on Sonic's percentages, knockback, and knockback speed so that when the patch hits in two days, I can recollect the data and figure out for sure what was nerfed/buffed.

KID was right, spin to spike is guaranteed on all characters. Timing's different on everybody.
Sonic can footstool dair spike Mario and Pikachu. It's amazing.

I was JUST about to ask who was going to do data comparisons after today. Good to see someone is on it.

 

[Espy Rose]

The only thing I didn't see on the moveset thread was both knockback and knockback speed. We'll need those for KB comparisons postpatch. I have the data if anyone needs it. I only have it in excel format though.

 

[Camalange]

We should have like, a Sonic Google doc.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

I wasn't really gonna bother because I thought someone had a way to get the raw data from the patch, just like some data I saw from the previous patch.

 

[Seagull Joe]

So I found some neat 0-40% combo strings, and a 0-54% string on Diddy.

I also did hard data mining on Sonic's percentages, knockback, and knockback speed so that when the patch hits in two days, I can recollect the data and figure out for sure what was nerfed/buffed.

KID was right, spin to spike is guaranteed on all characters. Timing's different on everybody.
Sonic can footstool dair spike Mario and Pikachu. It's amazing.

So just Side b/Down b to footstool them and then dair?

 

[Camalange]

Are we talking about getting Dair spiked after a footstool or the percent where a footstool is guaranteed after a Dair spike?

 

[Sonic Orochi]

FS to dair spike.

The dair spike to FS percent is one of the things I proposed to tackle in that "board collab project".

 

[cerealkiller]

I thought it was about which characters it works with, regardless of the %.

Wait... I don't understand how spinning has to do with this. How does one "spin to footstool"?

 

[Sonic Orochi]

I thought it was about which characters it works with, regardless of the %.

Yes, basically that. While for some characters it's ezpz, like Mario and Sheik, others actually fall behind Sonic, making it impossible for the Dair spike to connect. However, some characters seem to fall like that but can actually be spiked, such as Luigi, which requires some timing and positioning, making it difficult but not impossible.

Wait... I don't understand how spinning has to do with this. How does one "spin to footstool"?

SD->SDJ->FS at earlier percents and SC->SCJ->FS at higher percents (actually higher than SC->SCJ->Dair Spike percents).

 

[kj22]

Yes, basically that. While for some characters it's ezpz, like Mario and Sheik, others actually fall behind Sonic, making it impossible for the Dair spike to connect. However, some characters seem to fall like that but can actually be spiked, such as Luigi, which requires some timing and positioning, making it difficult but not impossible.



SD->SDJ->FS at earlier percents and SC->SCJ->FS at higher percents (actually higher than SC->SCJ->Dair Spike percents).

Mmm...good to know *takes notes*

 

[Espy Rose]

FS > Dair spike is guaranteed at all reasonable percents. I've been able to do it from 0-150%.

It can only be practically done from downB at the percents where it'll matter (60-100%). SideB has a different knockback from downb in this game, and it sends them up at a higher trajectory, so it's not feasible any time around those same percents.

I wish I had a recording device.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

Why? I seriously doubt the patch is going to touch footstool or dair mechanics.

Didn't see this post before lol

Yeah, I've been spending the last two days recording my old replays, so even if I wanted to test that, I wouldn't have the time to do so.

 

[Espy Rose]

Didn't the patch say something about sharing replays? If so, I could probably just send replays of the setups.

 

[Sonic Orochi]

Yes, replay sharing will finally be available on the Wii U version now.

 

[Espy Rose]

Thank god.

 

[kataridragon]

I'm more excited for the patch then for Mewtwo.

 

[PsychoSy]

I'm kinda scared on what nerfs they're gonna give to sonic.

 

[cerealkiller]

I'm more excited for the patch then for Mewtwo.

Amen.

 

[MainJPW]

I'm kinda scared on what nerfs they're gonna give to sonic.

Back throw's been nerfed.

 

[New Age Retro Hippie]

Pretty sure bthrow was nerfed. Also, SD/SC to uair is weight dependent now (not sure if this was the case before) , uair will miss if they're too light at any percent below ~30%. The combo only does 18-22% now, which I am actually ok with and somewhat expected. No hard data yet obvs but it doesn't feel the same. Hope this isn't just confirmation bias, lol

 

[PsychoSy]

Pretty sure bthrow was nerfed. Also, SD/SC to uair is weight dependent now (not sure if this was the case before) , uair will miss if they're too light at any percent below ~30%. The combo only does 18-22% now, which I am actually ok with and somewhat expected. No hard data yet obvs but it doesn't feel the same. Hope this isn't just confirmation bias, lol

Not too bad. But any idea on how much percent does bthrow does now?

 

[cerealkiller]

I have a doubt, how will we be sure of what changes were made exactly? Comparing videos?

 

[Lizam]

So I only did a very minor test on the 3ds version (at work atm) with Bthrow on Mario at the edge of FD

Before update: killed at 143% (Sonic with 143% Rage)
After update: killed at 167% (Sonic with 167% Rage)

 

[New Age Retro Hippie]

Reading Manny's updates on FB he seems adamant bthrow hasn't changed because of rage but I don't think thats a good metric. We need rage data and non-rage data and without rage it definitely does not kill like it used to.

 

[StriderAaron360]

Alright y'all...*deep breath*

How bad is it?

 

[Sonic Orochi]

Sheik was nerfed. So ****ing stoked to test this.. I'd set an alarm to 5 am ffs.

Still didn't receive my email, though

 

[BlueTerrorist]

I'm trying patch out before I catch some sleep again.

I tried many times but it seems that BThrow is nerfed. Kills a lot later than it did before (Couldn't kill Mario with it until around the 150% mark).

 

[Sonic Orochi]

If it means it will shut people up about Sonic "being OP", I won't mind the Bthrow nerf at all.

Spoiler

It won't.

 

[PsychoSy]

Reading Manny's updates on FB he seems adamant bthrow hasn't changed because of rage but I don't think thats a good metric. We need rage data and non-rage data and without rage it definitely does not kill like it used to.

yea I was looking at ClashTournaments stream and they were testing sonic for nerfs/buffs. It seems without rage bthrow hasn't changed at all but yea we need a chart.