There is nothing that I can add that Cam and KID have done an excellent job already conveying, but I absolutely need to stress the point that KID made, where you're essentially assuming the Sonic always chooses the perfect option, while their opponent is too braindead to think, "You know what, perhaps I should hit him out of his spins."
And yes, even at close range, that's an option. Every character (sans maybe Ganon) have a few select options that make dealing with spins a lot more manageable.
Sonic's spin can push Wario out of Bite, Cam, but in my experience, more often than not, Wario wins out. Even when he doesn't win, they're at a neutral, so Wario shouldn't even care.
To be honest, it all just sounds like Reflex never learned Sonic, which is a shame since he had 6 entire years to look into his mechanics. They're pretty much 1 for 1 on most ends. Ignoring his increased KO power, you could even argue that Brawl Sonic was better.
Mac has a frame one jab, Reflex. If the Mac just throws it out vs. Sonic, he either clanks (Mac adv), or wins (Mac adv). If Sonic is too close? Dash away. Mac is fast enough. If you're at the corner? You have a frame one jab, an upB with invincibility, and five moves, all relatively fast, that don't care about spin dash, 3 of which will KO Sonic if timed right.
Sonics aren't perfect. He moves too fast for even the Sonic to perfecty follow up or cover himself. He's going to make mistakes. KID said it himself, Sonic dies early and kills late. He needs to make far more mistakes to kill you than you need to kill him. If Sonics played like you are assuming, then Sonics would actually be winning tournaments.
All I ask is that you start considering that the Sonic player is human and not some frame-data reading robot bent on perfection that it already has. It makes everything so much easier.
And yes, even at close range, that's an option. Every character (sans maybe Ganon) have a few select options that make dealing with spins a lot more manageable.
Sonic's spin can push Wario out of Bite, Cam, but in my experience, more often than not, Wario wins out. Even when he doesn't win, they're at a neutral, so Wario shouldn't even care.
To be honest, it all just sounds like Reflex never learned Sonic, which is a shame since he had 6 entire years to look into his mechanics. They're pretty much 1 for 1 on most ends. Ignoring his increased KO power, you could even argue that Brawl Sonic was better.
Mac has a frame one jab, Reflex. If the Mac just throws it out vs. Sonic, he either clanks (Mac adv), or wins (Mac adv). If Sonic is too close? Dash away. Mac is fast enough. If you're at the corner? You have a frame one jab, an upB with invincibility, and five moves, all relatively fast, that don't care about spin dash, 3 of which will KO Sonic if timed right.
Sonics aren't perfect. He moves too fast for even the Sonic to perfecty follow up or cover himself. He's going to make mistakes. KID said it himself, Sonic dies early and kills late. He needs to make far more mistakes to kill you than you need to kill him. If Sonics played like you are assuming, then Sonics would actually be winning tournaments.
All I ask is that you start considering that the Sonic player is human and not some frame-data reading robot bent on perfection that it already has. It makes everything so much easier.
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