Sonic boards revisiting Weegee matchup discussion

[DDM]

Hay guise,

The Sonic boards are simultaneously discussing our matchups against Meta Knight and Luigi. Some of us think that the Weegee matchup is in Sonic's favor, but we didn't get a whole lot of input last time, so we'd like to revisit it.

 

[Kinzer]

...Huh...?

*Must investigate, brb*.

 

[DDM]

Dammit.

Posting too quickly again.

Too much s*** to keep up with around here.

LOCK IT!

 

[Kinzer]

Oh, you don't need to lock it DDM, at least this will let the Weegees know that we STILL need more input for their character, from the people who play him and such...

In any case, where are you people, we may be on MK, but any information is always appreictated...

 

[DDM]

Oh, good. Cause this matchup intrigues me. The limited Luigi's I've run up against haven't been a problem for me, so I'd like to see how the other half sees it.

 

[elheber]

I have to say DDM, I haven't played any/enough good Sonics to warrant an opinion from me. I suppose you haven't played any/enough good Luigis either. They are a rare breed.

With that said, from a purely knowledge over experience thing, I'd say Sonic doesn't have the things that make him a hard matchup against Luigi. Luigi hates disjointed hitboxes (like Swords and Turtles), projectiels that are better than his, and attacks that have more range than his. Since Sonic doesn't have these, it means Sonic has to get in Luigi's "Kill Range" to fight. I can imagine the trouble Sonic would be in if Luigi began spamming the fSmash.

As soon as I press "Post Quick Reply", I'll click on that link and see if there's anything I need to say.

 

[WIGI]

the ting is, sonic is FAST. this makes it hard for me he has no trouble CHASING you through the air or on ground, but luigis moves still WIN in the air. this being said, i think the smarter player will win.


50-50

 

[DDM]

Limited vids of the matchup on YouTube as well, but these guys would seem to have some semblance of knowing what the hell they're doing.

Ben (Weegee) vs SSBB (Sonic), Wifi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk3Q9ReQT18

Tastuman (Sonic) vs Skrulz (Luigi), color hacks & no tripping (which we all hate anyway)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djs_rDEH0Kk

And of course, Lucky having a go against Mango
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8AE2e_5OY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPD4wYK4q-c


I forget how fast Sonic is until I watch others play him. Geez.

 

[Tenki]

that first wifi match, you could see the input delay as you're watching lol.

That said, it makes them look like they suck alot more than they probably do.

and wtf at you hijacking the discussion >_>

 

[DDM]

that first wifi match, you could see the input delay as you're watching lol.

That said, it makes them look like they suck alot more than they probably do.

and wtf at you hijacking the discussion >_>

Honest mistake, really. I jumped into the Matchup Thread and saw a handful of posts re: Weegee, not realizing the discussion had long since been over. Then I went over to the Meta Knight boards and didn't read Kinzer's post carefully enough, where he lamented that no one responded to the Weegee discussion. So I thought "Hey, I'll try and help out", and here is this thread.

My bad. 8)

 

[Tenki]

Edit that first thread title to something like "Sonic and Luigi revisited/post-discussion"

and remove the link in the post. Then we can continue talking about it here `.`;

 

[Umby]

Cyclone > Sonic. </discussion>

 

[chic]

one word: fireballs. Luigi>Sonic

 

[elheber]

You can usually tell how experienced a Luigi player is by the amount of rolling he does (I say "usually" because in certain matchups, rolling is a necessary evil). Generally speaking, the less rolling, the more skilled.

I stopped watcing the first 2 videos because of Luigi's rolling.

Lucky and Mango look like the kind of fight you'll see if you have a good Luigi. He spammed the fSmash just as you'd expect a Luigi to do when facing someone at KO percentages. He did a lot of right things. That looks like a good Sonic to me too, but since I'm no Sonic, I'm no expert.

EDIT: I just saw the discussion was over for Luigi. OP says it's a pretty even matchup. I agree. Good times.

 

[kigbariom]

We make a good team Sonic and Luigi. Speed, air, KO moves.
A big reason that Luigi has kind of an upper hand in this matchup is his plethora of KO moves. Sonic is good for picking on Luigi's vulnerabilities because of his extreme speed though. UpB is dangerous with Sonic because if it does not FJP, you are in deep trouble.

 

[Tenki]

@DDM change the title! D:
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Cyclone > Sonic. </discussion>

Shield. Unless you're talking about Cyclone vs a spindash or something.

one word: fireballs. Luigi>Sonic

Shield. Unless you're talking about Fireballs vs a spindash that Sonic doesn't jump out of or something like that.

You can usually tell how experienced a Luigi player is by the amount of rolling he does (I say "usually" because in certain matchups, rolling is a necessary evil). Generally speaking, the less rolling, the more skilled.

I stopped watcing the first 2 videos because of Luigi's rolling.

Lucky and Mango look like the kind of fight you'll see if you have a good Luigi. He spammed the fSmash just as you'd expect a Luigi to do when facing someone at KO percentages. He did a lot of right things. That looks like a good Sonic to me too, but since I'm no Sonic, I'm no expert.

I agree, aside from their ... obvious lag issues, both players were kind of...

bad.

LuCky is good, but his games don't represent the current Sonic metagame, seeing as he stopped playing Brawl just as we developed the game more lol.

 

[kigbariom]

I actually find fireballs kind of ineffective against Sonic. Maybe good for a mindgame or slipping it in here and there. When I fight Sonic I try to fight in the air, but when there is no choice I get real close with cyclone and jab and or f-smash.

 

[elheber]

...LuCky is good, but his games don't represent the current Sonic metagame, seeing as he stopped playing Brawl just as we developed the game more lol.

=) I'd say the same for Mango. The new fad here is FFADs (Fast Fall Air Dodge) mixed in Luigi's Aerial game, along with Buffering.

 

[DDM]

@DDM change the title! D:
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Done. Just figured it out. Sorry.

 

[Tenki]

=) I'd say the same for Mango. The new fad here is FFADs (Fast Fall Air Dodge) mixed in Luigi's Aerial game, along with Buffering.

The not-so-new fad that LuCky missed out on was cancelling spindashes into shield and tilt/grab/spacing whorage (in other words, aside from the spindash shield cancels, everyone else started playing Sonic like decent players instead of spamming spindash all the time).

 

[chic]

i haven't played a good sonic in a while... any sonics wanna 1v1 wifi laters for hehes and hahas?

 

[Napilopez]

lol, Ftilt>=Cyclone.

SideB>Fireballs.

Just clearing some stuff up.

 

[TheMann]

IDK from my experience with sonic any time he's spinning Luigi can just Down + B and knock him out of it. Also Luigi can nair out of most of sonics strings. The only sonic I really faced though is Anthers which seems very good to me and I can beat it with Luigi alot. And when someone can beat Anther there is a problem lol.

 

[Tenki]

Someone in the SBR Sonic discussion said that he was having problems fighting Anther's Sonic. Then OS told him to spam D-tilt and he won.

oooo omg a mk beat anther by spamming d-tilt when he was using Sonic! Sonic must be supergarbs!

he didn't take into account that it was with Anther's first week playing Sonic. Anther made awesome use of Sonic's speed and stuff, but he had piss-poor control of the spins for a looong time. I think in one thread he visited, he posted vids, and we all gave him tips and I believe he's improved since then lol. He didn't even know about spin cancels for a while `.`;


That's not to say that Anther was at the same level of newbidity (<-?) at the time you played against him.

But it's a possibility, and also, he may not have been familiar with the behavior to be used in the matchup. In our matchup thread, we kind of wrote off trying to take on Luigi in the air unless tipping with Sonic's disjointed parts in U-air/B-air, and keeping to ground games, because of exactly what you mentioned (N-air, etc).

 

[Pompi]

my friend is a sonic main and well hes bad but from my experience i have no trouble handling sonic then again , this is my experience i would like to fight a much better sonic

 

[Kinzer]

i haven't played a good sonic in a while... any sonics wanna 1v1 wifi laters for hehes and hahas?

If you're around in the afternoon, I could use the practice, not just because you're a Weegee, but because I'm getting too rusty for my liking.

Feel free to PM me or hit me up on AIM.

 

[Delta_BP26]

I say 55-45 Luigi's favor. I mean, as elheber said, Sonic simply does not have anything Luigi hates, and if you don't have that, Luigi will usually win. Sonic can be played very fast, but Luigi's attacks in general are faster. Luigi has a "smorgasboard" of KO moves and Sonic doesn't. Luigi's air game kind of LOLs at Sonic's, aside from the U-Air and, if spaced and used just to kill, B-Air. Sonic has changed a lot, he's gotten much better, which is why I don't say 60-40. Luigi's air game beats Sonic's, and their ground games are about equal. Does it sound like Sonic has the advantage?

 

[hippiedude92]

guise, dont say fireball > sonic... thats like asking for flame war like with the fireball> ike lol. on the ground, i think sonic win imo. Ftilt outranges just about anything we have.

 

[Delta_BP26]

Had the matchup been lolftilt for Sonic, earlier in Brawl's metagame, Luigi wouldn't have been amongst Sonic's worst match ups. This matchup is even at best.

 

[PolMex23]

i played the best sonic in FL back in the day...

And i had to try as hard as i do against a lvl 9 sonic...

So, luigis favor if the Luigi is good 70/30

Out Prioritizes almost every move Sonic has.

 

[aeghrur]

I think 60-40 because Luigi can kill earlier, is an aerial opponent, good aerials with good priority, and fireballs.
Sonic on the other hand, can use U-smash against some aerials I think, his b-air is disjointed(somewhat), and his U-air is disjointed(heavily at times). =/ Of course, that's the obvious.

 

[ALiAsVee]

=) I'd say the same for Mango. The new fad here is FFADs (Fast Fall Air Dodge) mixed in Luigi's Aerial game, along with Buffering.

It better last as more than a fad...This is the crux of Luigi's game.