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Annex

Smash Ace
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Columbia Gorge
All that matters is having decent hitstun, but nobody seems to care or notice because it's subtler than BEING FAST or MORE MOVEMENT OPTIONS
 

Shaya

   「chase you」 
BRoomer
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/人◕‿‿◕人\ FABULOUS Max!
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decent hitstun is pretty useless with all dat lag tho
Full hops are pretty useless for being fast/combo-ish in both 64 and Melee (duh, L canceling). But otherwise full hops became stapleish (as in characters' metas developed both short hop and full hop games *shock*) as not only did the air have "more options" (fast falling, b reservals, double jumping, air dodges; stuff like buffering double jumps off the ground so you can immediately start fast falls [zomg fast option that has *risk*]), full hops would put players directly next to opponent's on successful hit in ways which allowed continuing combos. People who left brawl never adjusted to that duality in jumping preference.

I dislike that it looks like landing lag for aerials will be worse than it was in Brawl, but we don't know what other adjustments there will be.

I say this to many friends, but if you want to enjoy Smash 4 in a way that will have a positive effect on the wider smash scene/community? Support it heavily for doubles. Brawl had the best doubles game out of any in the series thus far (just due to diversity) and negated a lot of the sour points of Brawl (bar MK, but I believe MK shouldn't be legal in doubles at all) like timing out/ledge camping and I can't see it becoming WORSE in this iteration. No matter what, it'll be fun, competitive and very easy/enjoyable to watch/stream for, I guarantee it.
 
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Shaya

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I can understand the wombo combo factor, I suppose to clarify further, I enjoy the strategic nature (and emphasis) of Brawl doubles, it isn't all big boom rush down (and it's fair to say you prefer that over other things). Most long time Brawl players always get grabbed by people for all doubles events because they just tend to be pretty solid at it (Brawl mains teaming up against melee "pros" and winning isn't uncommon in my scene/region; probably a bit of confirmation bias that the brawl players would gloat long and hard about their non-brawl victories).
 
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KeroKeroppi

Smash Champion
Joined
Sep 1, 2011
Messages
2,060
Location
New York
sup gang

kero the great here

reporting in from the palisades

for you non nyers the palisades is this big ass shopping mall

anyway

so i was just in the apple store right? my mac hasn't been turning on these last few months

idk why i waited the entire summer to get it fixed but whatever **** you

so i get to the apple store and this brunette chick helps me out

i'll add that she was hella attractive but this isn't a story about me failing to pick up some dime

ok

so i'm all like "yeah it won't turn on idk what's up"

and she's like "ok i'll run some tests it's gonna take like ten mins"

now ten minutes later she comes up to me and says SOMETHING along these lines

"ok so this is pretty much one of the worst case scenarios, your hard drive is completely destroyed and there is absolutely no way to recover any of your files"

i start laughing

i had mad important **** on that comp but this whole thing is kind of hilarious ya know

i'm like "so uh what do i do now"

she tells me to come back in two hours and pick up the comp

they have to replace the hard drive

good news is it's free

not that I give a **** about the money lol

i just want my files

guys

it's all gone

my music, my word and excel documents, my PICTURES

gone for good

i might cry

anyway

now I'm sitting at the food court like **** my life what the hell do i do for the next two hours

man idk

OH

and right as i get out of apple my head phones break

yo **** apple

i'm tight af right now

i'm gonna go figure out something to do

catch you guys on the flipside

kero out cashbah
 
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DeepDish

Smash Apprentice
Joined
Aug 12, 2014
Messages
84
Location
Southern Ontario, Canada
I'm sure this is stating the obvious, but because the punish game in 64 is so hard compared to the other Smash games, it has made me so much better at the neutral game in Melee. It's also improved my spacing and reminded me to be mindful of janky hitboxes. I've been playing online for about a week now and it has really helped me get better overall at all Smash games.
 

Maliki

Smash Ace
Joined
Apr 3, 2013
Messages
618
Location
New york
sup gang

kero the great here

reporting in from the palisades

for you non nyers the palisades is this big *** shopping mall

anyway

so i was just in the apple store right? my mac hasn't been turning on these last few months

idk why i waited the entire summer to get it fixed but whatever **** you

so i get to the apple store and this brunette chick helps me out

i'll add that she was hella attractive but this isn't a story about me failing to pick up some dime

ok

so i'm all like "yeah it won't turn on idk what's up"

and she's like "ok i'll run some tests it's gonna take like ten mins"

now ten minutes later she comes up to me and says SOMETHING along these lines

"ok so this is pretty much one of the worst case scenarios, your hard drive is completely destroyed and there is absolutely no way to recover any of your files"

i start laughing

i had mad important **** on that comp but this whole thing is kind of hilarious ya know

i'm like "so uh what do i do now"

she tells me to come back in two hours and pick up the comp

they have to replace the hard drive

good news is it's free

not that I give a **** about the money lol

i just want my files

guys

it's all gone

my music, my word and excel documents, my PICTURES

gone for good

i might cry

anyway

now I'm sitting at the food court like **** my life what the hell do i do for the next two hours

man idk

OH

and right as i get out of apple my head phones break

yo **** apple

i'm tight af right now

i'm gonna go figure out something to do

catch you guys on the flipside

kero out cashbah
Bounce
 

rjgbadger

Banned via Warnings
Joined
Aug 15, 2010
Messages
923
Location
Reno, Nevada
I'm sure this is stating the obvious, but because the punish game in 64 is so hard compared to the other Smash games, it has made me so much better at the neutral game in Melee. It's also improved my spacing and reminded me to be mindful of janky hitboxes. I've been playing online for about a week now and it has really helped me get better overall at all Smash games.
Thank you for making me hungry with your username.
 

clubbadubba

Smash Master
Joined
Apr 27, 2011
Messages
4,086
sup gang

kero the great here

reporting in from the palisades

for you non nyers the palisades is this big *** shopping mall

anyway

so i was just in the apple store right? my mac hasn't been turning on these last few months

idk why i waited the entire summer to get it fixed but whatever **** you

so i get to the apple store and this brunette chick helps me out

i'll add that she was hella attractive but this isn't a story about me failing to pick up some dime

ok

so i'm all like "yeah it won't turn on idk what's up"

and she's like "ok i'll run some tests it's gonna take like ten mins"

now ten minutes later she comes up to me and says SOMETHING along these lines

"ok so this is pretty much one of the worst case scenarios, your hard drive is completely destroyed and there is absolutely no way to recover any of your files"

i start laughing

i had mad important **** on that comp but this whole thing is kind of hilarious ya know

i'm like "so uh what do i do now"

she tells me to come back in two hours and pick up the comp

they have to replace the hard drive

good news is it's free

not that I give a **** about the money lol

i just want my files

guys

it's all gone

my music, my word and excel documents, my PICTURES

gone for good

i might cry

anyway

now I'm sitting at the food court like **** my life what the hell do i do for the next two hours

man idk

OH

and right as i get out of apple my head phones break

yo **** apple

i'm tight af right now

i'm gonna go figure out something to do

catch you guys on the flipside

kero out cashbah
this better end up being some story about you succeeding in picking up this dime piece
 

ciaza

Smash Prodigy
Premium
Joined
Aug 12, 2009
Messages
2,759
Location
Australia
I'm sure this is stating the obvious, but because the punish game in 64 is so hard compared to the other Smash games, it has made me so much better at the neutral game in Melee. It's also improved my spacing and reminded me to be mindful of janky hitboxes. I've been playing online for about a week now and it has really helped me get better overall at all Smash games.
lol i play 1der heaps, who's arguably the best melee player in the region. due to 64 i can get the first hit maybe like 7/10. except i can't combo for crap in that game so when he gets his first hit in i'm anywhere between 80% - dead.

i think m2k is like the only person who agrees the punish game in melee is the biggest factor about it
 
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Sedda

Smash Champion
Joined
Jan 26, 2013
Messages
2,393
Location
Luigi sucks
nah Armada says it's all about the punish game too. That dude takes stocks when you miss a ****ing waveland.

I was thinking the other day that I've seen more execution errors in high level Melee than in high level 64 due to the higher technical ceiling, but I feel that it ends up balancing out because of the type of DI that Melee has. Still, the punish game is huge in Melee.
 

pidgezero_one

((((((((((( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) gotta go fast!
Writing Team
Joined
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Messages
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Location
Toronto
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64 made me better at brawl

don't ask me how that works because I have no idea
 

Sangoku

Smash Master
Joined
Apr 25, 2010
Messages
3,931
Location
Geneva, Switzerland
Karajan: search function? Also I didn't get notified for some reason.

@ KeroKeroppi KeroKeroppi you know I'm the mod of the people of smash 64 right? You know that as a mod, I need to be good to my sheeps right? This also means I need to show some solidarity right? Well I broke my laptop today. I wanted to open it to clean a little bit the fan (as the CPU has been going up to 100° by watching a video lol) and now that I've closed it back it won't turn on.
 

KeroKeroppi

Smash Champion
Joined
Sep 1, 2011
Messages
2,060
Location
New York
that is your punishment for assuming power that is not yours

only kero is worthy of being in an authoritative position on smahsboards

only kero knows what is right and wrong

only kero can be JUSTICE

if you know what's good for you, you'd hand over your mod powers to me

my laptop breaking was a sign from the heavens that i should have been pushing for this power shift long ago

your laptop breaking was a warning
 

Shears

Smash Master
Joined
Mar 13, 2008
Messages
3,146
Location
disproving indeterminism
I've never had a computer just break on me. I got frustrated once because my cousin was being stupid and illogical and I needed to punch something and the only thing that I could get away with smashing to pieces was my laptop so I ripped it apart with my hands and punched the screen and shattered it to tiny pieces.
 

KeroKeroppi

Smash Champion
Joined
Sep 1, 2011
Messages
2,060
Location
New York
bangoku

you should do what i'm doing and find comfort in BK's chicken fries

after YEARS of holding out on us the bk lounge has finally brought them back

we have to take advantage of this opportunity while we have the chance
 

Sangoku

Smash Master
Joined
Apr 25, 2010
Messages
3,931
Location
Geneva, Switzerland
I've never had a computer just break on me. I got frustrated once because my cousin was being stupid and illogical and I needed to punch something and the only thing that I could get away with smashing to pieces was my laptop so I ripped it apart with my hands and punched the screen and shattered it to tiny pieces.
Well you know, I'm sure the laptop didn't actually break on me. But I'm too lazy to take out the ten thousand screws again and see what went wrong (because I won't even figure it out either). And since I'm a noob and I have bad screwdrivers, the screw heads are all screwed...
bangoku

you should do what i'm doing and find comfort in BK's chicken fries

after YEARS of holding out on us the bk lounge has finally brought them back

we have to take advantage of this opportunity while we have the chance
To me BK means Bacille de Koch, ie Mycobacterium tuberculosis. So if you want me to find comfort in some chicken with tuberculosis, you can go **** yourself.
I don't know what that is either.

**** it, it's 8pm and I'm going to bed.
 
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