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[M!nt]

1. People are interested in smash 64
2. People come here and lurk and/or post and decide that people are unwelcoming
3. People lose interest and do not become part of this section
4. You say they are not part of this section
5. Of course they aren't. That's the point.

This is just something I've observed and that I've talked to other people about. This is not a new thing.

The only reason I said you're not part of this section is because you don't post here and just came in and basically labeled the whole section as bad. If someone new is going to join and just talk down to our community, I don't want them here in the first place. People here are usually nice to newcomers and I don't understand where those people are thinking we're unwelcoming.

 

[B Link]

Combo Blaze says he agrees with me in the skype chat lol

We then agreed that our community values funding good players to travel to america > donations to increase prize total. So we're back at the original problem, and no one will improve that fast lol

 

[TANK64]

^^While I agree with BC about the money. I think big prizes can make it more worth it for top players who may want to go but don't want to take such a hit. Similar to funding, but yea, you can argue how come Isai should be paid to show up but other people have to take the hit. But Isai coming WILL bring more players and that's a win/win. I also agree on helping top players who have to travel a good deal farther than everyone else.

 

[Sedda]

1. People are interested in smash 64
2. People come here and lurk and/or post and decide that people are unwelcoming
3. People lose interest and do not become part of this section
4. You say they are not part of this section
5. Of course they aren't. That's the point.

This is just something I've observed and that I've talked to other people about. This is not a new thing.

'Who are those people you talked to about this?

I don't know what you mean by players not being welcoming here. Read some of the threats created by the new players who ask how to play online or just create them to say hello (there's been dozens of them recently). Everyone's nice to them and takes the time to either explain everything to them, or Sangoku points them to the appropriate threads.

If they're not part of this section, it's either because they ran into a Kaillera rager, or it's because they're fireblaster. Maybe they came in here and saw a thread taken out of context, but I've been here for over a year and it's only gotten kinda heated in the last month (for me).

Idk. Those five pointers you gave seem like things anyone might run into while trying to join ANY forum online. The truth is that no forum can stay alive with a bunch of assholes only, and there's been a lot of new people coming here and getting help even only as far back as a year. I've seen nothing but respect for new players here on the 64 section.

Also, it seems like you have bad "observing" skills, because the 64 scene has been getting bigger here in the US. It's just kinda lacking online now, but a big chunk of the community still gathers here to advertise events and chill. I really don't know what you're talking about.

 

[NovaSmash]

Why the **** am i the only player that is desperately trying to surpass Isai? Does it not bother anyone else that the same ****ing guy has been the best in the world since the game came out? Listen, I'm not trying to say that everyone should stop playing for fun and became crazed about winning. But every player should try to be the best they can be 100% of the time. I see so many people go to tournaments and lose to the same person every time. They brush it off as, "meh, he's simply better than me." Like, wtf is that ****? No. Do something about it. Get angry. Get really angry. Let that anger fuel you. Stop letting the same guy continuously beat you over and over, be productive and surpass that mother ****er! We all should constantly be trying to improve. We all should constantly be trying to be better than the player we were yesterday.

You all can chose to ignore this and continue to be the casual players that you are, or you can be proactive and make a difference. Without pain, we have nothing. Without sacrifice, there will be no change. No one's going to fix things for us, guys. It has to be us.

I refuse to accept that Isai is the greatest of all time and i refuse to accept that our game is done evolving. Mark my words, one day i will be the best, and i will change this game forever.

Someone needs to do it... I'm just a little pissed off that i'm the only one who's trying.

People develop a play style and get comfortable with it once they have some success against other people. Some people never improve or try anything new and they are content with their skill level and place in the smash community.

 

[Combo Blaze]

I've talked to some people who felt a bit cautious about joining smashboards/Skype because of what their friends would say about the place, but usually those friends are the people who are making a big deal of certain things or are the ones that instigate things. I would agree that the Skype group does get very messy at times, but it's not something that's required to be part of the community or to just play. It's basically a social thread group without moderation, which is why I don't have much sympathy for those who get harassed in the group, because it's their choice for even sticking there.

 

[Madao]

Lol I don't get how people can even think this community is bad. If you compare to other online communities, I'd say this community is very good. The only problemsI have are the annoying spam threads and the community not being very active. I can't dock people for the latter one, but other than that, everything's good imo. I honestly can't think of an online community I've been part of, that was significantly better. To those who dislike this community, I'd like you tell aware me of sigficantly better communities.

Is it just me, or does the combo counter program make PJ64kve lag more? Not only does combo counter and xsplit both use up ~10-20% cpu each, but it made my project64k use up a full core (25%). I couldn't even get constant 60fps without using the hitbox code. I decided to make my own counter since using 2 programs just for 1 function is too much imo. So far I've made a bootleg window app that displays player 1's hit count. I basically made it work like the training mode one. I'm going to need to learn D3D, before I'm able to make a real counter that displays the number inside the emulator window, rather than relying on peripheral vision lol. That being said, would you guys prefer that the count goes to 0 immediately after the opponent reaches 0 hitstun? Or should I have it work like it does in training mode where it waits ~1.4 seconds to reset back to 0.

 

[NovaSmash]

I've talked to some people who felt a bit cautious about joining smashboards/Skype because of what their friends would say about the place, but usually those friends are the people who are making a big deal of certain things or are the ones that instigate things. I would agree that the Skype group does get very messy at times, but it's not something that's required to be part of the community or to just play. It's basically a social thread group without moderation, which is why I don't have much sympathy for those who get harassed in the group, because it's their choice for even sticking there.

That's why I left that group, bunch of arguing about nonsense that's not even about smash. I feel less stressed now.

 

[Vale]

i don't get the point of playstyles, unless the style is "adapting to the opponent and subsequently beating them"

also, inspired by tank's geography map:

Spoiler

 

[EggSelent]

As with most online communities, the most vocal critics of the community tend to dish out what they can't take. I'm all for treating other people with respect (except Kirby players), but if you call a new group of people trash or idiots etc each day, you can't expect everyone to be friendly towards you. The single easiest way to not be the "victim" of insults or trash talk is to not dismiss or look down upon your Smash brethren. With that being said, I'm all for the online beef. That's why I'm so cautious about calling people idiots; we all know 89.5% of the community is idiotic, not 90%! ****ing noobs.

I understand if people don't want to play ALTS, but they should recognize their refusal to play them is a consequence of their own stubbornness, not their opponent's. If anything, playing against an ALT should improve your ability to learn new players, rather than just memorizing matchups and tendencies. You might lose a few games at first, but if you keep playing instead of ragequitting after a game, you might actually adjust. Smash of course can be a wildly frustrating game to lose, but simply put, the more time you spend thinking to yourself which mistakes led to your defeat, and less about how X playstyle/character/stage/lag/controller/identity is cheap and gay, ythe more our playing is bound to improve.

As for online player tier lists, I see little to no utility in them. They're more or less just another way to frustrate and alienate others. I think exclamations to the effect of "HA! u r trash! im A tier but ur B tier. fkcn noob!" will be quite common, but I don't see what will be gained by such a list's construction.

 

[The Star King]

1. People are interested in smash 64
2. People come here and lurk and/or post and decide that people are unwelcoming
3. People lose interest and do not become part of this section
4. You say they are not part of this section
5. Of course they aren't. That's the point.

This is just something I've observed and that I've talked to other people about. This is not a new thing.

I have a sneaking suspicion "people" means "Umbreon".

Juuuuuuust a hunch. You can admit it, man

 

[mixa]

Kansai 2014 videos are up.

Red streamed vs Jousuke today.

 

[NovaSmash]

As with most online communities, the most vocal critics of the community tend to dish out what they can't take. I'm all for treating other people with respect (except Kirby players), but if you call a new group of people trash or idiots etc each day, you can't expect everyone to be friendly towards you. The single easiest way to not be the "victim" of insults or trash talk is to not dismiss or look down upon your Smash brethren. With that being said, I'm all for the online beef. That's why I'm so cautious about calling people idiots; we all know 89.5% of the community is idiotic, not 90%! ****ing noobs.

I understand if people don't want to play ALTS, but they should recognize their refusal to play them is a consequence of their own stubbornness, not their opponent's. If anything, playing against an ALT should improve your ability to learn new players, rather than just memorizing matchups and tendencies. You might lose a few games at first, but if you keep playing instead of ragequitting after a game, you might actually adjust. Smash of course can be a wildly frustrating game to lose, but simply put, the more time you spend thinking to yourself which mistakes led to your defeat, and less about how X playstyle/character/stage/lag/controller/identity is cheap and gay, ythe more our playing is bound to improve.

As for online player tier lists, I see little to no utility in them. They're more or less just another way to frustrate and alienate others. I think exclamations to the effect of "HA! u r trash! im A tier but ur B tier. fkcn noob!" will be quite common, but I don't see what will be gained by such a list's construction.

Why do you keep calling out kirby players? "the more time you spend thinking to yourself which mistakes led to your defeat, and less about how X playstyle/character/stage/lag/controller/identity is cheap and gay, ythe more our playing is bound to improve" Take your own advice please and stop whining about kirby. Do you really think your half assed jiggs is legit? You should stop, it makes you sound like you're terrible at smash. How does playing someone on an alt make anyone better? ALTS are not new players, they are veterans who feel the need to hide so they don't feel bad when they lose. Also it's ok if you don't like tier list but plenty of people do. This is smashboards, people should feel free to talk about anything related to smash and that includes skill levels of the players that make up this community.

 

[The Star King]

stop arguing with people nova

 

[NovaSmash]

stop arguing with people nova

Sorry, I don't like to read blatant hypocrisy.

 

[B Link]

LOL

........

 

[The Star King]

I think you meant EggSelent, and B Link misinterpreted that as meaning me

although you could mean both, which would actually be pretty clever, haha

 

[EggSelent]

Why do you keep calling out kirby players? "the more time you spend thinking to yourself which mistakes led to your defeat, and less about how X playstyle/character/stage/lag/controller/identity is cheap and gay, ythe more our playing is bound to improve" Take your own advice please and stop whining about kirby. Do you really think your half ***** jiggs is legit? You should stop, it makes you sound like you're terrible at smash. How does playing someone on an alt make anyone better? ALTS are not new players, they are veterans who feel the need to hide so they don't feel bad when they lose. Also it's ok if you don't like tier list but plenty of people do. This is smashboards, people should feel free to talk about anything related to smash and that includes skill levels of the players that make up this community.

Of course, everything I write on Smashboards is meant to be taken most literally; after all, to joke and jest would be to commit a grave atrocity. So when I say kirby players are subhuman, or that DL only proponents steal from orphans, know that I am literally meaning each word.

I'm not sure whether my Jiggs is legit. But considering he's won basically every game versus you, and few if any videos exist of my playing, I'm not sure how or why you would try to determine that. Of course, your natural response is to just pretend as though that never happened.

 

[NovaSmash]

Of course, everything I write on Smashboards is meant to be taken most literally; after all, to joke and jest would be to commit a grave atrocity. So when I say kirby players are subhuman, or that DL only proponents steal from orphans, know that I am literally meaning each word.

I'm not sure whether my Jiggs is legit. But considering he's won basically every game versus you, and few if any videos exist of my playing, I'm not sure how or why you would try to determine that. Of course, your natural response is to just pretend as though that never happened.

We have played 3 games in total and 2 of them I used my worst character, yoshi, and you still brag about it. People like you should just move on with your life and stop playing. You clearly think smash is more important than it actually is and your against people having fun conversations such as the player tier list thread. I don't need to be a great player to know that your jiggs isn't that good. Even Stevie Wonder can see that your jiggs is a joke. So please don't keep bringing up 3 matches that you won while you were on an alt and I was messing around with yoshi.

 

[TANK64]

I just like to give a shout out to SK's sig series. And to Sheer for the source content. @ The Star King , do you have the old ones save. There should be a compilation.

Like can I get a greatest hits album?

 

[EggSelent]

We have played 3 games in total and 2 of them I used my worst character, yoshi, and you still brag about it. People like you should just move on with your life and stop playing. You clearly think smash is more important than it actually is and your against people having fun conversations such as the player tier list thread. I don't need to be a great player to know that your jiggs isn't that good. Even Stevie Wonder can see that your jiggs is a joke. So please don't keep bringing up 3 matches that you won while you were on an alt and I was messing around with yoshi.

Please provide any form of evidence that I think smash is highly important.

The reason I bring up the fact that you've never beaten my Jiggs (and we've played 7 games total, and the 3 where I played your Yoshi twice and then your Falcon did not involve an alt. You frequently mention that I claim or think my puff is hot stuff. This is all imagined on your part, perhaps as a manifestation of your #madcuzgav tendencies. I just find it quite amusing that you incessantly talk trash about my puff, despite losing to it each time you've played it, and having never witnessed it elsewhere.

Maybe I will stop playing, if I take quitting to mean the same thing as you seem to. After all, don't you quit Smash forever on a weekly basis?

 

[mixa]

Even Stevie Wonder can see that your jiggs is a joke

my
word

 

[NovaSmash]

LOL now you're just lying. We have not played 7 times (unless you were on another alt which makes you an even bigger coward). Time to ignore your dumbass just like your buddy cobr. Also who keeps track of random matches on kaillera, ROLF. Yeah, this game means a little too much to you.

 

[ballin4life]

I'd be interested to hear SPECIFICALLY what "scared people away" from this forum ... without those details you can't change the forum for the better.

I know that one big reason I have been posting a lot less is that the new forum software is much harder to use for me (e.g. I don't know how to multiquote like I could on the old software)

Ok, ok I admit I was just trying to work complaints about the forum software into the conversation. Carry on.

 

[M!nt]

The only thing I hate about the new forum is that it saves drafts of what you write, that's basically it though I like everything else.

 

[The Star King]

I seriously think Umbreon was just turned off by that time we called him out on his theorycraft-without-actually-playing-the-game-ness

whether he admits it or not

I just like to give a shout out to SK's sig series. And to Sheer for the source content. @ The Star King , do you have the old ones save. There should be a compilation.

Like can I get a greatest hits album?

Thanks, I found Sheer's quotes pretty hilarious myself when he first said them. I didn't save my old sigs, so I don't have the timestamps or the 100% true-to-the-source quotes, sorry. But I basically remember how the quotes went down (only three of them).

sHEERmADNESS: kb players are subhuman

knitephox: whats the matter with kb players sheer
sHEERmADNESS: thats like asking hitler whats wrong with the jews

and the current one

actually I never sig'd the entire context of the second one since I think it didn't quite fit, if you're interested it was something like

sHEERmADNESS: im gonna cause a kb player genocide
killer: sheer ur scaring me
knitephox: whats the matter with kb players sheer
sHEERmADNESS: thats like asking hitler whats wrong with the jews

 

[Vale]

INPO: now with 500% more Smilies

You might lose a few games at first, but if you keep playing instead of ragequitting after a game, you might actually adjust. Smash of course can be a wildly frustrating game to lose, but simply put, the more time you spend thinking to yourself which mistakes led to your defeat, and less about how X playstyle/character/stage/lag/controller/identity is cheap and gay, ythe more our playing is bound to improve.

we don't even need to ragequit, the desynchs handle it for us

I have a sneaking suspicion "people" means "Umbreon".

Juuuuuuust a hunch. You can admit it, man

"Umbreon are interested in Smash 64..."
Sounds like you're discriminating against the entire species of Umbreon. Cold move.


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lol nova and eggs just play another match instead of talking about past games if you really care
if you don't care then it is adds nothing to the argument you are having


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silly mixa thinking people would be interested in talking about high level japanese play when we could be arguing about whatever this is

 

[TANK64]

silly mixa thinking people would be interested in talking about high level japanese play when we could be arguing about whatever this is

lol yeah noticed that too xD

@ The Star King , yeah I think it was "kb players are less than human."

man, good stuff.

 

[mixa]

My bad for being offtopic. I'll fix that right away.


So how about that Durarara season 2 huh

 

[Deleted member]

I have a sneaking suspicion "people" means "Umbreon".

Juuuuuuust a hunch. You can admit it, man

Oh yeah I definitely feel the same way, but I'm not just referring to myself. And trust me, I wouldn't get turned off from something from a little spat on a children's video game forum lol

If someone new is going to join and just talk down to our community, I don't want them here in the first place. People here are usually nice to newcomers and I don't understand where those people are thinking we're unwelcoming.

I did a double take and had to check that these 2 sentences were in a sequence. Ok let's try another approach, and pretend you're the guy that posted this:

http://smashboards.com/threads/you-guys-are-terrible-people.350644/

Pretend for a second that you actually mean everything in the original post at least to some extent and you consider this an issue. You got 8 replies: disrespect, disregard, an actual response, disrespect, disrespect, disrespect, disregard from a moderator, and an actual response from me. This type of interaction pushes people away, but they don't say anything, they just read for a bit and lose interest. There's really no incentive for them to address it as an issue since the criticism is readily met with a poor reaction, as is the case in that thread. It's just easier to walk away from it.

When the moderator facilitates the problem, it's definitely time to walk away. A moderator's job is to help people negotiate their differences (i.e. to moderate them) or to tell them when to stop posting. Punishing people for expressing their opinions in a relatively constructive manner is not good moderation. I get that he came off as a bit nasty, but it's pretty clear that the post is closer to "I have this problem" than it is to baseless flaming or personal attacks.

 

[Sedda]

Or maybe you just don't know how smasher acts most of the time, hence "reading a thread out of context."

If his intent was to say "I have this problem," he should've approached it that way. Same thing when NOVA made his hate thread. How else do you think people are going to respond?

Trust me, other people don't feel the same way as smasher does. Maybe they think so, but you're doing the exact same thing "those other people" are doing by coming in here and thinking everyone was trolling smasher super hard for no reason....

 

[M!nt]

I did a double take and had to check that these 2 sentences were in a sequence. Ok let's try another approach, and pretend you're the guy that posted this:

http://smashboards.com/threads/you-guys-are-terrible-people.350644/

Pretend for a second that you actually mean everything in the original post at least to some extent and you consider this an issue. You got 8 replies: disrespect, disregard, an actual response, disrespect, disrespect, disrespect, disregard from a moderator, and an actual response from me. This type of interaction pushes people away, but they don't say anything, they just read for a bit and lose interest. There's really no incentive for them to address it as an issue since the criticism is readily met with a poor reaction, as is the case in that thread. It's just easier to walk away from it.

When the moderator facilitates the problem, it's definitely time to walk away. A moderator's job is to help people negotiate their differences (i.e. to moderate them) or to tell them when to stop posting. Punishing people for expressing their opinions in a relatively constructive manner is not good moderation. I get that he came off as a bit nasty, but it's pretty clear that the post is closer to "I have this problem" than it is to baseless flaming or personal attacks.

Smasher has been around for a long time and honestly I don't have anything against him, but notice how he specifically called me a ***** and said I **** talk, The only reason I think he said that is because I posted this. All I did was make a post disagreeing with his opinion and he called me a **** talker for it, I haven't said one word else to him. Most of the stuff he said people were doing to him were started by him. He can't have anyone counter argue him or tell him something, because he believes everything he says is 100% fact. Again though I don't hate smasher like a lot of people do, I used to talk to him a lot on galaxy and he can be cool sometimes. I don't think he should be banned.

Also aerodrome is a senator and not our mod so idk why you are mentioning that.

 

[Deleted member]

Sure, I get that there's more to it. But that's not how an outside observer is going to take it. Anyone lurking is going to take whatever at face value like I did. Maybe you guys should just stop trolling each other and the problem wouldn't propagate itself? I didn't really intend to put myself on the spot for this discussion, I'm merely making observations at this point.

 

[mixa]

@KeroTheGreat

"If you flip a photo of bats hanging upside down, they look like they're having a wicked dance-off."

 

[M!nt]

I'm not defending the stuff that was posted in that thread btw. It's pretty funny that there's a rage argument going on in the same page i'm trying to convince someone that our section isn't raging argument starters lol

 

[Sedda]

What's the point of going through all of that then? I'm sorry. People are going to come in and misinterpret things. You've just explained how life works.

I'm sure I could go on the Melee section (and trust me, I've tried having civilized arguments with people there) and find a lot of the same thing, if not more.


First you're calling the whole section unwelcoming and then you back out saying you're just making observations? Making observations would entail looking into a situation and finding out why people say/do certain things. What you did was just glance through the section and assume a whole lot of stuff. You ask us not to troll each other, and you use Smasher as an example (I played him twice only and he **** talked me both times. overall a huge troll himself), you say we're unwelcoming to new players without being able to pull any actual evidence, and you call out a mod that isn't even ours.

People are going to take things out of context all the time, but don't make it seem like it's only going to happen on this forum. I've dealt with a good amount of trolls over at Melee, and I doubt I'll ever post there again.

 

[asianaussie]

So how about that Durarara season 2 huh

meh

props to misha for actually being ontopic tho

 

[mixa]

meh

i tried my best at recent news

tbh I haven't seen too much of it, but more music from that composer would be, how'd you say, noice

 

[asianaussie]

like, im excited for it, but

not much is hype in the animus world, aside from that

what is your avatar, i cant work it out

 

[KuroganeHammer]

When the moderator facilitates the problem, it's definitely time to walk away. A moderator's job is to help people negotiate their differences (i.e. to moderate them) or to tell them when to stop posting. Punishing people for expressing their opinions in a relatively constructive manner is not good moderation. I get that he came off as a bit nasty, but it's pretty clear that the post is closer to "I have this problem" than it is to baseless flaming or personal attacks.

I want to mention that I didn't actually infract the OP, that was the moderator of this section, @Sangoku , who knows a hell of a lot more about this section than you and I do.

I am legitimately appalled that you think "you guys are terrible people" is constructive criticism.

Edit:

*teleports away*