Social Social Thread - Talk About Anything (You Are Allowed to Talk About)!

[asianaussie]

because you can judge languages head to head in matchups, right?

 

[ballin4life]

language tier list should clearly be about how useful the language is once you know it. assume top level here y'all.

 

[Pachinkosam]

because you can judge languages head to head in matchups, right?

when you put it that way

 

[Battlecow]

Another few crooks brought to justice.

 

[M!nt]

hoping mediafire isn't next

 

[asianaussie]

if mediafire is next then ill have to reup EVERYTHING to 4shared or summat

 

[ballin4life]

pretty sure battlecow is trolling

everyone should read this anyway:

http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm

 

[SSBPete]

i'm weird about languages, i hate learning to speak them but i am extremely fascinated by the construction/history of words.

i'd love to learn latin or ancient greek because i wouldnt have to speak it.

once i learn enough japanese, i'm going to take perhaps one last ssb trip to japan

once you learn australian, you should come to australia, mate

 

[jimmyjoe]

Balling have you read it already? Sounds really interesting. Ill probably download it from a torrent when I get a chance

But seriously I may read that

 

[The Star King]

language tier list should clearly be about how useful the language is once you know it. assume top level here y'all.

Hey noob - judging languages based on how useful they are is like reviewing multiplayer games based off of their sales

I can make bad analogies too

 

[SA-in-NE]

Hello fellow posters, I just signed up for an account on this forum, long overdue considering I have been lurking forever. I notice that people get quite often get reprimanded (often to their surprise) for breaking, what I am going to call err... very relevant and important forum rules which without these boards would fall into chaos . If someone could list some of the rules that fall into this category (for example one I have seen is 10 characters minimum for a post), it would not only be extremely helpful but not having to look them up would preserve my lazy nature which I cherish very much. It is also a good way to start a conversation, thanks!

 

[KeroKeroppi]

Hello there Friend!
welcome

As for the "rules". I dont know their official names, but id say here are some of the most common ones:

No double posting- posting twice in a row obvvv. edit your posts instead. however, there are exceptions ofcourse. (threads like malvas live stream where double posting is completely nessesary by him, and if your posting on a thread that hasnt been posting on in a while and you happened to be the last post).

I think its called spam..?- dont comment on a thread for the some reason of saying "ahahahahah". likewise, dont quote someones post and be like "lol". You actually have to respond with some sort of reaction.

umm.. your not allowed be a total prick- if somesays something you dont like, you can not quote their post and be like "go **** yourself". moderators dont like that ****. Its almost like if you want to insult someone you have to do so in an intellegent manner.
obviously dont threaten someone, and tell them your going to like blow up their house or something.. that ****s crazy.

Irrelevent posts- Dont post on the sheild thread and be like "i like tacos".

Dont make rediculous threads- "Whats your favorite color". no one really does stuff like that because that **** will be closed/moved in a second. but still, ive seen it happen.

umm.. alot of it is just pretty obvious.. just use common sence. dont do things like post a link to a porn site on the social thread.



i probably wasnt the right person to answer this lol. that was a terrible explination.
Anyway.
when you brake the "rules" youll get a warning or an infraction. When you have 6 infractions you get banned, but dont worry, depending on how serious the rule you broke was, it expires fairly quickly. usually like 1 or 2 weeks. When receiving an infraction/warning the moderator sends you a link to all the official rules. you can check them there.

 

[Battlecow]

pretty sure battlecow is trolling

everyone should read this anyway:

http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/againstfinal.htm

Amazing the ways people will find to justify themselves in doing whatever they want. Fun fact: if there were no copyrights, hollywood would cease to make big-budget (or medium-budget, or even relatively-small-budget) movies, because no one would pay the creators for them. It would take a libertarian level of ignorance coupled with confidence to believe otherwise. While music would still be made, of course, there's more to this than encouraging creativity. The creators of a work of art have the right to distribute it as they see fit, and it's not right to steal their ****.

 

[NTA]

Be careful though. People have the possibility to get infracted over legit posts and the infraction probably wont be reversed if you try to point this out to them. >_>

 

[Sempiternity]

if there were no copyrights, hollywood would cease to make big-budget (or medium-budget, or even relatively-small-budget) movies

i would be ok with that

 

[DMoogle]

Hello fellow posters, I just signed up for an account on this forum, long overdue considering I have been lurking forever. I notice that people get quite often get reprimanded (often to their surprise) for breaking, what I am going to call err... very relevant and important forum rules which without these boards would fall into chaos . If someone could list some of the rules that fall into this category (for example one I have seen is 10 characters minimum for a post), it would not only be extremely helpful but not having to look them up would preserve my lazy nature which I cherish very much. It is also a good way to start a conversation, thanks!

Hi there, welcome to the forums. Glad you asked. Pretty much everything you need to know can be found here: in the Global Rules Announcement thread. I'm a moderator here, so feel free to PM me with any questions.

Basic summary of rules:
1. Be friendly
2. Make posts with substantive content (e.g. more than "lol")
3. Keep it appropriate for people <13 years old

Be careful though. People have the possibility to get infracted over legit posts and the infraction probably wont be reversed if you try to point this out to them. >_>

Fortunately, I'm not one of the mods who do that.

 

[DMoogle]

When is it not wrong?

Other than when you're pirating a book that has secret clues on page 457 on where the Triads are hiding your sister.

IMO, it's not wrong when you wouldn't be paying for it otherwise.

E.g. if I pirate a CD that I wouldn't have spent money on if I couldn't pirate it, then I'm not doing anything wrong.

Why? Because the difference to the creator is zilch. If I pirate it, they get $0. If I don't pirate it, I wouldn't buy it anyway, so they get $0.

If I would have purchased it otherwise, then it IS wrong.

 

[ballin4life]

Amazing the ways people will find to justify themselves in doing whatever they want. Fun fact: if there were no copyrights, hollywood would cease to make big-budget (or medium-budget, or even relatively-small-budget) movies, because no one would pay the creators for them. It would take a libertarian level of ignorance coupled with confidence to believe otherwise. While music would still be made, of course, there's more to this than encouraging creativity. The creators of a work of art have the right to distribute it as they see fit, and it's not right to steal their ****.

hmm who should I trust, the tenured economists who wrote a whole book on the subject or this one paragraph from battlecow?

"stealing" is taking something away from someone else. if I can make a copy of something, then you still have your original copy, so I haven't taken anything away from you.

also not sure what you are talking about with respect to movies - they are distributed in a manner that prevents copying (movie theaters). also people still buy DVDs even though you can pirate movies online because they like all the special features. this is the "complimentary goods" approach to selling something - it's like how musicians can make money selling concert tickets, autographed stuff, etc.

regardless "libertarian level of ignorance" gave you away bro nice try. (i did lol though)

 

[ballin4life]

A$ reverses all my infractions

Hey noob - judging languages based on how useful they are is like reviewing multiplayer games based off of their sales

I can make bad analogies too

except that my analogy was good ...

pretty obvious that it makes way more sense to rank languages based on how useful they are to know than it is to rank them on some weird, vague criteria of "how well they are put together"

 

[M!nt]

I doubt the entire movie industry would be gone, because some people believe it or not like to make movies for fun not profit. Also I've heard artists get next to nothing in profits towards CDs (most going towards producers, record labels, etc) and that their income is largely based on tours and concerts and such, this may all be wrong, but whatever.

 

[Battlecow]

Yup, we need more shaky-camera arthouse films that are made for fun. Absolutely.

And ballin', if tenured economists say it, it must be right, right? Because there are no tenured economists who would disagree with them. Good call there.

My point with regards to movies was hypothetical-IF there was a way to experience the movies for free and legally to their full extent, THEN the industry would collapse and good movies would be a thing of the past. I'm disagreeing with the idea that a lack of intellectual monopolies would not hurt creative endeavors (although it's ridiculous that I have to, given how obvious it is to unbiased

IMO, it's not wrong when you wouldn't be paying for it otherwise.

E.g. if I pirate a CD that I wouldn't have spent money on if I couldn't pirate it, then I'm not doing anything wrong.

Why? Because the difference to the creator is zilch. If I pirate it, they get $0. If I don't pirate it, I wouldn't buy it anyway, so they get $0.

If I would have purchased it otherwise, then it IS wrong.

que ridicule! You speak as if it was the consumer's place to decide whether or not to pay for the creative work of the purveyor. Truly sickening. I honestly have more respect for the 75% of random people off the street who'll say "I know it's wrong, but I don't give a **** because I can't be punished for it and I'm fundamentally not that good of a person." At least they're honest.

 

[ballin4life]

Yup, we need more shaky-camera arthouse films that are made for fun. Absolutely.

And ballin', if tenured economists say it, it must be right, right? Because there are no tenured economists who would disagree with them. Good call there.

My point with regards to movies was hypothetical-IF there was a way to experience the movies for free and legally to their full extent, THEN the industry would collapse and good movies would be a thing of the past. I'm disagreeing with the idea that a lack of intellectual monopolies would not hurt creative endeavors (although it's ridiculous that I have to, given how obvious it is to unbiased

including those ever so biased tenured economists. my only point there was that they are likely to be more persuasive than YOU - i made no comparison to other economists. clearly though it isn't as simple as "obvious to the unbiased"

also I truly doubt the industry would collapse. they would find some other way to do business.

 

[asianaussie]

what really sickens me is people who take one objectionable part of somebody's opinion and take that to mean the person in question is horrid

and also people posting in the index unnecessarily

i know i started it, but even A$ joined and surely he could move the conversation

 

[asianaussie]

and he says you can't judge his debating style

although i agree with him entirely in this case

 

[Battlecow]

including those ever so biased tenured economists. my only point there was that they are likely to be more persuasive than YOU - i made no comparison to other economists. clearly though it isn't as simple as "obvious to the unbiased"

also I truly doubt the industry would collapse. they would find some other way to do business.

It's pretty obvious to the unbiased, bro. The fact that two guys with PhD's say otherwise does not prove anything; the vast majority of economists would disagree with them.

And lolololol at "some other way to do business." How are they going to make the $100,000,000 they need if no one has any reason to pay them for making the movie? Pure foolishness.

 

[The Star King]

Unless I'm misunderstanding it your analogy was bad.

Usefulness is based off of mostly how widely a language spoken. Should multiplayer games be rated based on how popular they are?

Vague criteria? I complain of obvious hindrances to learning languages. I just haven't said what they are yet.

Oh great another argument with ballin brewing. I should probably just never talk to this guy :/

 

[The Star King]

I'm not disagreeing with your stance, Battlecow, but people "need" $100,000,000 dollars?

 

[ballin4life]

yeah duh but the purpose of learning languages is to communicate with people

i guess you could learn latin just for fun but i don't think many people want to learn a language just for the sake of it - they want to learn it because it's useful

for multiplayer games you judge how fun they are but at least for me that's not really a factor with languages

anyway i was mostly just joking about the "top level play" criterion on smash tier lists

 

[asianaussie]

im disappointed, starking

you know very well battlecow's style is to abuse hyperbole and florid language until it can be abused no more

and of course americans need that much money, how else can they sleep at night

 

[asianaussie]

i would have taken latin because the highschool unit gets the final grade scaled up a RIDICULOUS amount, which is useful, but not in the way you claim

this is usefulness, but it shouldn't be taken into account for any dumb tier list of language

language tier lists are probably dependant on how stuffy a person you are

 

[ballin4life]

lots of things that are supposedly "obvious to the unbiased" are wrong or at the least not as obvious as they seem

also so you're asking a random guy on the internet to design a new business model for movie studios off the top of his head?

i already mentioned that movies aren't really an issue, but music artists for example make tons of money with the complimentary goods approach

 

[The Star King]

@aa maybe it needs to be pointed out every once in a while :D

I didn't even comment in the Timer thread on implied hyperbole such as "I want tournament matches that will end"

 

[The Star King]

Well, it's not like I'm serious about rating languages. The point is that most languages have stupid unnecessary flaws that hinder learning.

language tier lists are probably dependant on how stuffy a person you are

Not if you're the most objective man alive (me )

 

[Battlecow]

Yeah, a good hollywood movie will often cost in excess of $100,000,000. Adjusting for inflation, you could find quite a few great movies that couldn't have been made for less. Not hyperbole.

@ballin'-How is the collapse of the movie industry-an industry that provides tremendous amounts of entertainment to every one of us throughout our lives-"not an issue"?

And you're going to roll with the "Well there's definitely a business model that involves giving our product away for free and then making enough money to recoup our tremendous expenditures nonetheless, but I can't think of it because I'm just a guy on the internet" excuse? Please. If you're not qualified to offer even a suggestion on how in the world such a model could exist, you're not qualified to argue that it does.

Otherwise, hey, I know piracy kills babies, but I'm not an MD, so I can't explain how. No, there's no reason to think it does, and common sense dictates that it doesn't, but **** you.

 

[The Star King]

You sounded like you meant 100 million PROFIT but ok

 

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[ballin4life]

Yeah, a good hollywood movie will often cost in excess of $100,000,000. Adjusting for inflation, you could find quite a few great movies that couldn't have been made for less. Not hyperbole.

@ballin'-How is the collapse of the movie industry-an industry that provides tremendous amounts of entertainment to every one of us throughout our lives-"not an issue"?

And you're going to roll with the "Well there's definitely a business model that involves giving our product away for free and then making enough money to recoup our tremendous expenditures nonetheless, but I can't think of it because I'm just a guy on the internet" excuse? Please. If you're not qualified to offer even a suggestion on how in the world such a model could exist, you're not qualified to argue that it does.

Otherwise, hey, I know piracy kills babies, but I'm not an MD, so I can't explain how. No, there's no reason to think it does, and common sense dictates that it doesn't, but **** you.

movies will be fine regardless because they release them in a not easily copied format (at theaters), as I said earlier

as for business models: you know that's kind of how capitalism works - people come up with ingenious business models and then make tons of money. you're like the guy saying "we have to have the government providing telephones, there's no way people could come up with a way to make telephones profitably!" back in 1975 before they deregulated that industry.

i already presented existing business models that work for music. if you're thinking about watching movies at home maybe you could stop releasing DVDs and instead just do streaming movies where you buy a license to stream the movie (like Amazon's movie on demand service).

Regardless, "you can't think of a solution off the top of your head" does not imply "no solution exists". At all.

 

[DMoogle]

que ridicule! You speak as if it was the consumer's place to decide whether or not to pay for the creative work of the purveyor. Truly sickening. I honestly have more respect for the 75% of random people off the street who'll say "I know it's wrong, but I don't give a **** because I can't be punished for it and I'm fundamentally not that good of a person." At least they're honest.

I'm being completely honest, and I'm not defending my actions (well, I'm defending some of them), because I do it even with stuff that I know I would've bought otherwise.

what really sickens me is people who take one objectionable part of somebody's opinion and take that to mean the person in question is horrid

and also people posting in the index unnecessarily

i know i started it, but even A$ joined and surely he could move the conversation

Totally thought this was the social thread...

I'll try to move all relevant posts there, give me a sec.

EDIT: Jesus that was way more than I though it would be.

 

[KnitePhox]

COPYING SOFTWARE =/= STEALING
imo
(not like copying homework/test answers...which is stealing...at least until i am convinced otherwise)



omfg 5 double posts in one thread all by mod/backroomers

WAT
EDIT:THIS V

Totally thought this was the social thread...

I'll try to move all relevant posts there, give me a sec.

/oops?

 

[Nintendude]

KnitePhox do you have me vs. Jaime from Apex?