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[Deleted member]

DMC and Bayonetta have technically already crossed over, it's just in an SMT mobile game of all things. One day we'll get a full action game. One day.
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Kamiya missed an opportunity in PxZ 2, which could've been amazing even if the game is kinda repetitive.

 

[Lore]

Remember when Red Dead Redemption swept the Video Game Awards until God of War said "you thought, *****"?

Tbh I really didn't like red dead.

Great narrative and environment, packed with details and character. But I hated the gameplay.

 

[Iridium]

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I couldn't help but laugh at this. Samus is always janky.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Im forced to feed our dog our chicken breasts and rice because his stool is soft and has mucus but this goes aginst my beliefs of NEVER giving our pets our food... but Im forced too because his normal food is messing with him
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Real meat is good for dogs though. It's just cooked bones you have to worry about, since cooking them makes them brittle and can cut their throats.

I'm all for sharing food with pets as long as you're careful about what you feed them.

If it’s not Erdrick and Banjo i’ll Be so shocked i’ll .... do we want a new E3 bet?

Nah, I'll pass.

For one I actually agree that Erdrick is likely. I was just saying that that one leak in particular didn't add to his chances.

I am more skeptical of Banjo, but there's not really any character I'm confident in. The bet wouldn't be much fun (or fair) if I didn't have my own character I was a betting on.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Remeber when Octopath got kicked out of best soundtrack....
FOR RED DEAD

Yes I am still VERY salty

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

There’s no reason to think Banjo is a lock.

Way more going for Erdrick.

It’s one thing to be hopeful for Banjo. But to actively think he’s a lock is just asking to be disappointed if he doesn’t show up.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

There’s no reason to think Banjo is a lock.

Way more going for Erdrick.

It’s one thing to be hopeful for Banjo. But to actively think he’s a lock is just asking to be disappointed if he doesn’t show up.

I don't necessarily think there's evidence for him showing up. But I think that so many planets have aligned to allow his inclusion that if he dosn't show up in Ultimate's DLC, I would be quite shocked. I mean, look at what we know.

Phil Spencer's comments actively supporting Banjo in Smash (meaning he'd be a the negotiation table if the two companies talked)
The Smash Ballot bringing him to the attention of Nintendo Execs
Evidence that Microsoft is going to be bringing a whole host of content to the Nintendo switch
The lack of use of Steve in Minecrafts general marketing
De confirmation of Master Chief
Banjo's continued use in MS marketing
The success of the Crash and Spyro remakes, as well as Mario Odyssey.
Erdrick's Japan-Only appeal making it likely that a character that appeals to western audiences would also be chosen to compensate (see Chrom and Dark Samus)
That one leaker who said that one of E3's characters would be part of a whole host of related announcements with "huge ramifications" (circumstantial, I know)

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Real meat is good for dogs though. It's just cooked bones you have to worry about, since cooking them makes them brittle and can cut their throats.

I'm all for sharing food with pets as long as you're careful about what you feed them.

I kinda accidently overcooked it and its dry. Oops. But im not gonna redo the chicken because I dont want to use up all the chicken. But hey, at leaste me and his dinner is healthy now

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don't necessarily think there's evidence for him showing up. But I think that so many planets have aligned to allow his inclusion that if he dosn't show up in Ultimate's DLC, I would be quite shocked. I mean, look at what we know.

Phil Spencer's comments actively supporting Banjo in Smash (meaning he'd be a the negotiation table if the two companies talked)
The Smash Ballot bringing him to the attention of Nintendo Execs
Evidence that Microsoft is going to be bringing a whole host of content to the Nintendo switch
The lack of use of Steve in Minecrafts general marketing
De confirmation of Master Chief
Banjo's continued use in MS marketing
The success of the Crash and Spyro remakes, as well as Mario Odyssey.
Erdrick's Japan-Only appeal making it likely that a character that appeals to western audiences would also be chosen to compensate (see Chrom and Dark Samus)
That one leaker who said that one of E3's characters would be part of a whole host of related announcements with "huge ramifications" (circumstantial, I know)

The way I’ll respond isn’t meant to nitpick, I just want to address each point clearly!

1)Phil Spencer showing interest- Perhaps, but many developers would like to see their characters in Smash. That would effectively mean that a developer wanting their character in Smash makes them more likely. Unfortunately, it doesn’t. Otherwise Shantae and Super Meat Boy are likely as well.

2)Smash Ballot/ Popularity- this is a reasonable point, but there are plenty of other characters that have popularity still.

3) Microsoft content on Nintendo platforms- They may be collaborative wither each other, but considering Sony and Microsoft are collaborative as well (to a lesser extent) seems to me like it’s a move to expand their options in the industry. I don’t really think collaboration means that Smash automatically comes up. Seems more like shoehorning it into the conversation.

4) Lack of chances for other characters- It might look good for Banjo if Steve and Chief are out of the way, but that assumes a Microsoft character is being chosen in the first place. I personally think the chances of that happening are overrated.

5) Success of Crash, Spyro, and Mario Odyssey-I’m...not sure why 3 games being successful and having little to no connection to Banjo or Microsoft is relevant to Smash.

6) Erdrick as Japanese-only appeal: this is entirely fabricated by western fans to make a western character more likely. There’s evidence to suggest that Square wants to extend exposure of DQ to the West because it has always struggled in the West, which, in addition to the legacy for gaming that the Dragon Quest series holds, makes Dragon Quest a reasonable pick. Chrom and Dark Samus were popular picks (Chrom moreso worldwide), but they are also first-party echo fighters, which is unfortunately not quite the same situation.

Banjo arguably has some things going for him (i’d be delighted if they added Banjo & Kazooie). But I think the chances of Microsoft getting a character in Smash is overrated, and hinges specifically on the collaboration, which is mainly when the hype/speculation over it started.

The reason I put it that way, is because it seems to me that the largest basis of it lies on the collaboration. As in, demand for a Microsoft character is only currently high because of an expectation, leaks, and the ballot.

Basically expectations and wants should be more or less hyped responsibly.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

The way I’ll respond isn’t meant to nitpick, I just want to address each point clearly!

1)Phil Spencer showing interest- Perhaps, but many developers would like to see their characters in Smash. That would effectively mean that a developer wanting their character in Smash makes them more likely. Unfortunately, it doesn’t. Otherwise Shantae and Super Meat Boy are likely as well.

2)Smash Ballot/ Popularity- this is a reasonable point, but there are plenty of other characters that have popularity still.

3) Microsoft content on Nintendo platforms- They may be collaborative wither each other, but considering Sony and Microsoft are collaborative as well (to a lesser extent) seems to me like it’s a move to expand their options in the industry. I don’t really think collaboration means that Smash automatically comes up. Seems more like shoehorning it into the conversation.

4) Lack of chances for other characters- It might look good for Banjo if Steve and Chief are out of the way, but that assumes a Microsoft character is being chosen in the first place. I personally think the chances of that happening are overrated.

5) Success of Crash, Spyro, and Mario Odyssey-I’m...not sure why 3 games being successful and having little to no connection to Banjo or Microsoft is relevant to Smash.

6) Erdrick as Japanese-only appeal: this is entirely fabricated by western fans to make a western character more likely. There’s evidence to suggest that Square wants to extend exposure of DQ to the West because it has always struggled in the West, which, in addition to the legacy for gaming that the Dragon Quest series holds, makes Dragon Quest a reasonable pick. Chrom and Sami’s were popular picks (Chrom moreso worldwide), but they are also first-party echo fighters, which is unfortunately not quite the same situation.

Banjo arguably has some things going for him (i’d be delighted if they added Banjo & Kazooie). But I think the chances of Microsoft getting a character in Smash is overrated, and hinges specifically on the collaboration, which is mainly when the hype/speculation over it started.

The reason I put it that way, is because it seems to me that the largest basis of it lies on the collaboration. As in, demand for a Microsoft character is only currently high because of an expectation, leaks, and the ballot.

Basically expectations and wants should be more or less hyped responsibly.

God I hate this whole “Microsoft character speculation”. Because before this speculation cycle, Rareware (specifically Banjo) was the speculation. It wasn’t “oh, we want a Microsoft character so let’s pick from the options” it was “Banjo was an N64 icon, beloved by many from their childhoods, and we want them in Smash”. Meaning Banjo supporters like me are suddenly playing a game we didn’t sign up for and are inexperienced with.

Aside from that though, I would argue that a triple A developer has a little more clout with getting their character in Smash than random indie studios like WayForward and Team Meat.

Microsoft is actually publishing games specifically for Switch releases (Cuphead, Hellblade, potentially more at E3). Whereas the only thing they’re trying to do with Sony is bring their game streaming service to the platform. An effort not specific to Sony platforms.

The success of Crash, Spyro, and Mario Odyssey was brought up because it likely means that 3D mascot platformers are profitable right now. Giving Microsoft more incentive to push Banjo, in any circumstance.

And as for Erdrick’s Japanese only appeal.... is it not true? You yourself said that Square is pushing DQ because of wanting to strengthen its appeal in the west. Meaning it’s not popular here now. Sure, there are people who know the series, but far less than many gaming properties in the states. Is it wrong to think Nintendo might want to compensate for this when building out their DLC roster.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Square

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SQUARE
SQUARE PLEASE

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

God I hate this whole “Microsoft character speculation”. Because before this speculation cycle, Rareware (specifically Banjo) was the speculation. It wasn’t “oh, we want a Microsoft character so let’s pick from the options” it was “Banjo was an N64 icon, beloved by many from their childhoods, and we want them in Smash”.

Aside from that though, I would argue that a triple A developer has a little more clout with getting their character in Smash than random indie studios like WayForward and Team Meat.

Microsoft is actually publishing games specifically for Switch releases (Cuphead, Hellblade, potentially more at E3). Whereas the only thing they’re trying to do with Sony is bring their game streaming service to the platform. An effort not specific to Sony platforms.

The success of Crash, Spyro, and Mario Odyssey was brought up because it likely means that 3D mascot platformers are profitable right now. Giving Microsoft more incentive to push Banjo, in any circumstance.

Eh, the mascot thing doesn’t really connect to Smash still. It matters more if Microsoft thinks Banjo making a comeback is profitable. In addition to that, it’s not as if Microsoft can just say, “We want this character” and then get that character. That’s not exactly how that works.

It’s a lot of circumstantial stuff that makes things just that: circumstantial.

But that’s pretty much what you said in the first place. I simply think the odds of it happening are overrated, but I would gladly be wrong if it meant Banjo was in Smash.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

here I am not caring for either Banjo or Erdrick...oh well

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Eh, the mascot thing doesn’t really connect to Smash still. It matters more if Microsoft thinks Banjo making a comeback is profitable. In addition to that, it’s not as if Microsoft can just say, “We want this character” and then get that character. That’s not exactly how that works.

It’s a lot of circumstantial stuff that makes things just that: circumstantial.

But that’s pretty much what you said in the first place. I simply think the odds of it happening are overrated, but I would gladly be wrong if it meant Banjo was in Smash.

It is all circumstantial. But I feel like there’s just so much of it that it has to mean something. Banjo is the last of these constantly requested characters, if he doesn’t show up in this one... well, I suppose that he could still show up in the future, but it wouldn’t feel as special.

 

[Metal Shop X]

I am caring for the character who is fun.

So if both are fun, then I won't care for the one who don't make it.

In other words,

I'm chaotic neutral.

 

[Aurane]

Yup.

I got it.

Its downloading.

Getting ready to pour that salt, baby~

 

[Megadoomer]

Think I'm going to play Metal Gear Solid 4. I'm not sure how long the game is, but between Codec calls and cutscenes, it should help me pass the time until E3.

I've never played it before (though I looked up cutscenes online when I didn't think I'd be able to get it), so it will be strange to work backwards from the fluid gameplay of MGS5. Still, I'm looking forward to it!

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I am caring for the character who is fun.

So if both are fun, then I won't care for the one who don't make it.

In other words,

I'm chaotic neutral.

We're talking about Hyrule Warriors now? Cool.

Well, I mostly play as Linkle myself.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I do wonder why a DMC/Bayonetta crossover game hasn't been yet done given they're by the same creator.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I do wonder why a DMC/Bayonetta crossover game hasn't been yet done given they're by the same creator.

Maybe because one’s a Capcom property and the other SEGA.

Could still happen. But it’s not a very simple endeavor.

 

[Megadoomer]

I do wonder why a DMC/Bayonetta crossover game hasn't been yet done given they're by the same creator.

It would require Capcom and Sega to work together, along with Platinum, and I don't know if it would be a Who Framed Roger Rabbit situation where both sides would need equal amounts of screentime, characters would be required to be portrayed certain ways, or something like that.

It took a long time for Mario and Sonic to get a crossover in the Olympics, and we still haven't gotten a proper platformer - imagine how tough it would be for two comparatively niche franchises. (Then again, pretty much everything is niche compared to Mario and Sonic)

 

[SnakeFighter64]

It would require Capcom and Sega to work together, along with Platinum, and I don't know if it would be a Who Framed Roger Rabbit situation where both sides would need equal amounts of screentime, characters would be required to be portrayed certain ways, or something like that.

It took a long time for Mario and Sonic to get a crossover in the Olympics, and we still haven't gotten a proper platformer - imagine how tough it would be for two comparatively niche franchises. (Then again, pretty much everything is niche compared to Mario and Sonic)

I actually think that makes it more likely. Like, there’s not as much marketing and PR around it.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

All fair points there. Shame because such a crossover would be thematic and fitting. I sometimes even tend to think they're set in the same universe despite same creator but different companies owning them.

 

[Idon]

Think I'm going to play Metal Gear Solid 4. I'm not sure how long the game is, but between Codec calls and cutscenes, it should help me pass the time until E3.

I've never played it before (though I looked up cutscenes online when I didn't think I'd be able to get it), so it will be strange to work backwards from the fluid gameplay of MGS5. Still, I'm looking forward to it!

It's got less fluidity, but there's more micro control which is weird.

Honestly, I really like MGS4, but it's not a game I'd ever personally replay.

 

[Deleted member]

So, for those who weren’t here earlier, MatPat used my renders for a thumbnail. Well, on Reddit, I got this comment.
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So, I went ahead and checked, and...
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This has put me in a pretty good mood. Not only did they think my art was official but they liked it, so they kept it as well.

Lore

Why did this get so many likes? Goodness.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Hey, Disney! You rebooted DuckTales and it’s a huge hit. You own the X-Men now. Reboot the 90s X-Men show. And do some Darkwing Duck while you’re at it. And done other decent Marvel Cartoons.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

I do wonder why a DMC/Bayonetta crossover game hasn't been yet done given they're by the same creator.

The closest you'll get is Sega VS Capcom which is close to impossible cause sega did an awful job marketing their characters other than sonic to the world wide public

Alis Landale should be on the same level of popularity as Samus but somehow she isnt

 

[BlueMonk]

Bayonetta was close to meeting Dante in Project X Zone 2, but Kamiya said he would rather the characters meet "on his own terms". He later regretted that.

 

[KMDP]

Yeah?

Well the other day

Blasting down the highway was a guy on one of those bikes where you lean back on.... inside of a paper mache-looking thing that looked like a lima bean, with a glass or plastic dome for his head on the top of it.


Everyone was stunned, but burst out laughing after he zoomed by at like 50mph.

One time while on a road trip, my family got stranded in this little town called Wickenburg due to car issues.

Turns out that on the exact day we got stranded there, they were having a horse parade. So that was a neat (and smelly) little experience I had.

To be specific, it was a black carriage. Which means it was actually a Hearse.

No, we don't usually have horse-drawn carriages as hearses, I think it's something special you can have done.
(Sorry for not replying for several hours, I've been distracted all day)

Think I'm going to play Metal Gear Solid 4. I'm not sure how long the game is, but between Codec calls and cutscenes, it should help me pass the time until E3.

I've never played it before (though I looked up cutscenes online when I didn't think I'd be able to get it), so it will be strange to work backwards from the fluid gameplay of MGS5. Still, I'm looking forward to it!

MGS4, without it's cutscenes, isn't actually that long of a game (still long, but the cutscenes are way longer).

The bits that are actually playable are great, though.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

The closest you'll get is Sega VS Capcom which is close to impossible cause sega did an awful job marketing their characters other than sonic to the world wide public

Alis Landale should be on the same level of popularity as Samus but somehow she isnt

SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone!

I cannot tell you how much I want a SEGA themed Smash game with a roster the size of Ultimate.

 

[Z25]

Bayonetta was close to meeting Dante in Project X Zone 2, but Kamiya said he would rather the characters meet "on his own terms". He later regretted that.

I hope E3 brings us a project X Zone 3 with bayo and more Nintendo and sega characters.

Could you imagine how much fun the interactions would be with like link or Mario who don’t talk? Or if they bought billy Hatcher in. The jokes write themselves. I hope we see it on switch at E3.

 

[Iridium]

Skimming some stuff, and I stumbled upon this VR discovery.

Sakurai-san never told us about this deity.

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Yup.

I got it.

Its downloading.

Getting ready to pour that salt, baby~

A game I've had interest in for a while, but never had the time to buy. Someday.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone!

I cannot tell you how much I want a SEGA themed Smash game with a roster the size of Ultimate.

I think a roster the size of Ultimate is a pushing it a bit, but I feel like a 35-40 or so character roster would be great.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Well it's been a day since the patch dropped. How are all of your mains holding?

 

[Megadoomer]

SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone! SEGA Smash Clone!

I cannot tell you how much I want a SEGA themed Smash game with a roster the size of Ultimate.

I'd gladly buy a Sega Smash clone even if its roster was only the size of Melee's. The kart racing games had a pretty solid roster, and if you throw characters from games like Yakuza, MadWorld, Persona, Gunstar Heroes, and Bayonetta on top of that, that seems like a no-brainer.

(Also, it would be hilarious if Ecco the Dolphin wound up being top tier, or at least in second place behind Segata Sanshiro, since nothing can beat Segata Sanshiro)

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I was told there’s a 4chan leak that said the DLC lineup is Joker, Erdrick, Banjo, Lloyd Irving, and Leon Kennedy.

I cried. I cried because I would love it 200%, yet I know it’s fake.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I'd gladly buy a Sega Smash clone even if its roster was only the size of Melee's. The kart racing games had a pretty solid roster, and if you throw characters from games like Yakuza, MadWorld, Persona, Gunstar Heroes, and Bayonetta on top of that, that seems like a no-brainer.

(Also, it would be hilarious if Ecco the Dolphin wound up being top tier, or at least in second place behind Segata Sanshiro, since nothing can beat Segata Sanshiro)

I really should take a 2nd stab at the idea.

I was told there’s a 4chan leak that said the DLC lineup is Joker, Erdrick, Banjo, Lloyd Irving, and Leon Kennedy.

I cried. I cried because I would love it 200%, yet I know it’s fake.

That leak might be fake, but that could be the exact lineup purely by coincidence because it feels super likely. (Though I feel Crash is more likely over another Capcom Character).

 

[Capybara Gaming]

There ya go. One SEGA Smash Ripoff Brawler.

(Honestly this'd be pretty baller if you ask me)

 

[Idon]

There ya go. One SEGA Smash Ripoff Brawler.

(Honestly this'd be pretty baller if you ask me)

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You uh, forgetting another Atlus series there, bud. Or 2.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

There ya go. One SEGA Smash Ripoff Brawler.

(Honestly this'd be pretty baller if you ask me)

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Thank you for your input. I will now proceed to blow yours out of the water!


After I eat dinner with my family.