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EricTheGamerman

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Well, I've come to the disappointing realization that I don't have the SD card with my handful of WiiWare titles anymore or at least I can't find it. I didn't have many, but it sucks to realize that I lost some genuinely enjoyable ones like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles My Life as a King and a couple of the Bit Trip games... At least I have World of Goo through my PC...

This is why I dislike digital distribution lol. Anyways, anyone have any WiiWare games they really loved?
 
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Well, I've come to the disappointing realization that I don't have the SD card with my handful of WiiWare titles anymore or at least I can't find it. I didn't have many, but it sucks to realize that I lost some genuinely enjoyable ones like Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles My Life as a King and a couple of the Bit Trip games... At least I have World of Goo through my PC...

This is why I dislike digital distribution lol. Anyways, anyone have any WiiWare games they really loved?
You could try and get one of the Bit.Trip collections with all the WiiWare games.

I mostly bought VC games from the Wii shop but I did get Mega Man 9 and Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People.
 

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IF HE DOESN'T WANT GUTS HE'S DEAD TO ME

Harsh. But doesn't change the fact that you mixed him up earlier with Bidoof. :U

lowkey would be down for nightmare just to get to see another dumb hype max reacts lol
 

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Z25 Z25 Just watched the episode “Filletted to Rest”

I was literally wondering a couple when Liv’s mom was gonna come back and she finally returned this episode. How could she and Liv’s brother still hate Liv? They should realize why she never gave him her blood.

Also oh my god her father is one of the season antagonists!
 

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Harsh. But doesn't change the fact that you mixed him up earlier with Bidoof. :U

lowkey would be down for nightmare just to get to see another dumb hype max reacts lol
I hope max gets one DLC character Max will freak out at, be it Nightmare or someone else like Leon.

I only started Max’s content half a year ago, but he’s one of coolest gaming YouTubers out there. Good mix of wholesome and hype.
 

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Nightmare is unlikely to be the Namco rep (Lloyd and Heihachi being more likely) if among the last two DLC fighters comes from the company but man how much I desperately want him. If any 3rd party villain should join its him.

Plus coming with a Siegfried costume would be dope too.

If only Trailer Theory were only true...
 
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Regardless of whatever happens, his Cloud reaction will still remain the best, hands down.
Yeah I mean FF7 is his favorite game so it'll be really hard to top it. But...
I hope max gets one DLC character Max will freak out at, be it Nightmare or someone else like Leon.

I only started Max’s content half a year ago, but he’s one of coolest gaming YouTubers out there. Good mix of wholesome and hype.
I agree I think someone from Resident Evil, most definitely Leon or Wesker, would probably garner a similar level of hype. Lot of cool stuff you could potentially see from the Resident Evil IP in Smash too.

And yeah, I agree, Max is definitely one of my favorite content creators and I guess people out there. Such a genuine dood, love everything that man does because he really cares about his work.
 
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I'm just glad that at least one of my most wanted characters (Banjo) got in. If Crash and Doomguy get in, I'll be over the moon, but I'll never truly be 100% satisfied until I get my precious Rayman
 

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replaying XC1 makes me realize how a lot of these party members can easily be converted to smash characters.

reyn, riki, dunban, melia, fiora. all of them except sharla. i guess jiggle physics couldnt get you everywhere in 2009.

honestly with all of the xeno games tied you might as well hire arcsys for a xeno fighter
 
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replaying XC1 makes me realize how a lot of these party members can easily be converted to smash characters.

reyn, riki, dunban, melia, fiora. all of them except sharla. i guess jiggle physics couldnt get you everywhere in 2009.

honestly with all of the xeno games tied you might as well hire arcsys for a xeno fighter
You could say that for a lot of series.


Also, a Xeno fighter would be smexy
 

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You could say that for a lot of series.
I mean the Arts literally scream easy to apply straight from the source. Especially recoveries, sometimes one of the hardest parts of moveset creation IMO.

Bone Upper and Dive Sobat, Soaring Tempest, Riki literally flies, Fiora's Drones, Summon Air, it's all too easy
 
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I mean the Arts literally scream easy to apply straight from the source. Especially recoveries, sometimes one of the hardest parts of moveset creation IMO.

Bone Upper and Dive Sobat, Soaring Tempest, Riki literally flies, Fiora's Drones, Summon Air, it's all too easy
I wonder if they’re was ever a game where the designers gave characters certain traits just in case Sakurai was watching
 

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>scott's favorite mario party is 6

i knew this man was good for some reason and now i have found it
 
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If they ever recast Meta Knight's voice, Phil Lamar is the only acceptable option. That's all
 

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Z25 Z25 Just watched the episode “Filletted to Rest”

I was literally wondering a couple when Liv’s mom was gonna come back and she finally returned this episode. How could she and Liv’s brother still hate Liv? They should realize why she never gave him her blood.

Also oh my god her father is one of the season antagonists!
I forgot about her mother and vaguely remember her brother being mentioned. I do like that her dad is a villain this season. It’s a pretty cool twist.
 

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I would rather take Yoshimitsu before Heihachi, but that's just a wish. You can guess why.

I hope max gets one DLC character Max will freak out at, be it Nightmare or someone else like Leon.

I only started Max’s content half a year ago, but he’s one of coolest gaming YouTubers out there. Good mix of wholesome and hype.
After all this time, I still haven't ever watched his Cloud reaction once. No specific reason, just hasn't happened.
 

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I would rather take Yoshimitsu before Heihachi, but that's just a wish. You can guess why.
He'd be a great choice not because he would only represent Tekken but also Soulcalibur as well granted the former is the Soulcalibur's Yoshimitsu's ancestor and of the same clan.
 

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He'd be a great choice not because he would only represent Tekken but also Soulcalibur as well granted the former is the Soulcalibur's Yoshimitsu's ancestor and of the same clan.
One crossover does not a representative make.

Cody doesn't represent Street Fighter despite being a mainstay, he represents Final Fight.
Ryu Hayabusa doesn't represent Dead or Alive despite being a mainstay, he represents Ninja Gaiden.

Plus Yoshimitsu doesn't even appear in every Soul Calibur game to begin with.
 
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just got after the battle of eryth sea and make a big realization again

shulk, riki, and especially sharla have healing capabilities, and they just decide to ignore sorean's wounds completely and just let him die?

sharla is a ****ing medic, pop some ether caps in his ass to heal him
 

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just got after the battle of eryth sea and make a big realization again

shulk, riki, and especially sharla have healing capabilities, and they just decide to ignore sorean's wounds completely and just let him die?

sharla is a ****ing medic, pop some ether caps in his *** to heal him
Everyone knows plot deaths are fatal. Healing capabilities in cutscenes never works.
 

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Everyone knows plot deaths are fatal. Healing capabilities in cutscenes never works.
if they gave metal face the weapon he used later on it would've made perfect sense why he couldn't be healed, but this **** is silly if they take a whole 5 minutes to wait before it even kills him

do you know what sharla did during those whole five minutes? nothing. riki didnt do anything either but still
 
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Isn't Final Fantasy's issue probably the guy that owns the music, rather than strictly Square Enix (though, Square is still probably difficult to work with)? I assumed with four alt characters, 2 songs in the trailer, Slime, and other various additions to the Hero character that Dragon Quest would be less of an issue.

It's not to say there won't be people disappointed in the video--I definitely think it might be a popular character as a Mii costume, or confirmation that there are RNG elements involved in the menu.
All I know is that, in regards to Final Fantasy stuff, one guy was thinking that the reason for the sparse content in regards to Final Fantasy has less to do with the artist (who was excited enough about Smash to make promotional artwork) and the composer (who worked on Brawl's music IIRC) and more to do with Shinji Hashimoto (the FF producer) either not liking Smash or seeing such things as beneath them because he worked with Disney. Only conclusion I drew was that several people from the Square team (the Final Fantasy team) have large egos because they get to work with the Mouse while people from the former Enix team (the DQ team) seem cool to have their stuff in Smash because that means more exposure for their games in the West.
 

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Have you ever been in that perfect balance of awake and drowsy that's not too drowsy so you're groggy or too awake where you're lazy but you just stay still because your brain can't process the ability to do both anything and nothing at all simultaneously?

I really want to make that Mario level I wanted to make for so long now but I just have so much energy and no energy at all
 
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Have you ever been in that perfect balance of awake and drowsy that's not too drowsy so you're groggy or too awake where you're lazy but you just stay still because your brain can't process the ability to do both anything and nothing at all simultaneously?
All the god damn time

I really need to sleep better
 

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All I know is that, in regards to Final Fantasy stuff, one guy was thinking that the reason for the sparse content in regards to Final Fantasy has less to do with the artist (who was excited enough about Smash to make promotional artwork) and the composer (who worked on Brawl's music IIRC) and more to do with Shinji Hashimoto (the FF producer) either not liking Smash or seeing such things as beneath them because he worked with Disney. Only conclusion I drew was that several people from the Square team (the Final Fantasy team) have large egos because they get to work with the Mouse while people from the former Enix team (the DQ team) seem cool to have their stuff in Smash because that means more exposure for their games in the West.
Very insightful, and from what little I know, sounds plausible. Regardless of the reasons, I feel like DQ fans have less to worry about in terms of a repeat of Final Fantasy's drought of content, given what we've seen so far in The Hero.
 
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Weekend was kinda hectic but very fulfilling, how's everyone doing?
 

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Weekend was kinda hectic but very fulfilling, how's everyone doing?
insomnia's a *****

im tryna find tips on mario maker levels. yamamuras dojo is okay, but like, i dont have the energy to experiment with literally everything on level design. i'm trying to make a watch for rolling rocks themed underground level, but the joke is the 0.5 a presses, which means I also have to make it a don't hit the ground gimmick.

it's fun if you do it right, but how to do it right is where im stuck on. also conflicted on what theme matches Hazy Maze Cave from SM64 the most. been thinkin SMW Underground does it best but IDK.
 

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I want to tell you guys something... anyone heard of the Lindal Railway Incident? If not here's i will explain it:
(Which happened back in 1892)
Note: got all of this from Wikipedia
East of Lindal station on the Barrow-Carnforth route, the two main lines and two goods lines ran along an embankment, with five sidings to the north. The 7am Barrow-Carnforth goods had stopped at the sidings behind Furness Railway locomotive No.115, a D1 class 0-6-0 built by the firm of Sharp Stewart between 1866 and 1885. The ‘Sharpie’ (as the class were nicknamed) was busy shunting when the driver, Thomas Postlethwaite, saw cracks opening up in the ground right below. Knocking off steam, he jumped for his life, no sooner clear than the earth opened up to expose a sheer-sided hole 30 ft across and similar in depth. The driver and his fireman stared in disbelief as their locomotive fell into it front first, the funnel and front part embedded, with only the tender remaining visible above the surface. The rails on which the engine had been standing were snapped off and went down with it, while the supporting baulks under the main lines were laid bare. The adjacent up passenger line was left hanging lopsidedly, its ballast having cascaded into the abyss.
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Rescue attempts
Breakdown gangs from the locomotive and Permanent way departments attended with a crane and tool vans. The tender was uncoupled and pulled clear, but the locomotive itself weighed 35 tons and getting it out would be a massive task. The hole had appeared just 45 minutes before a Barrow-Carnforth passenger was due, and rumours soon went round that a whole passenger train had been swallowed up and scores of people had been killed and injured. People flocked to look, but were kept from going too close by railway staff and police.

At 2:30 PM, the men took a break for refreshments and had not been clear long when the hole suddenly deepened to about 60 feet – the locomotive falling further still until the earth closed over it and eclipsed it from sight. Witnesses were awestruck to see the huge machine disappear so quickly from their sight, falling to an unknown depth and obviously beyond recovery. The hole was even wider by then, with all eight tracks now twisted and bent, the ballast having fallen away, the sidings over which they’d been able to take empty coaches was now totally unsafe.
Passengers on the 2.57 from Carnforth were forced to abandon the train and had to walk down the adjacent road to Lindal Station, where another train took them on to Barrow. Thirteen conveyances were chartered, including large brakes, buses and horse-drawn carts for their luggage.


Trainloads of ballast continued to arrive and though most thought the worst had been seen, the full extent of the subsidence could only be guessed at and no one yet knew when rails might start to be safely relaid. The uppermost level of the mine workings were 500 feet down and No. 115 was considered to be lost forever. Others said it was only 80–90 feet down, but it was anyone’s guess.
The hole eventually swallowed up around 300 wagon loads of ballast until a solid foundation was established. A Board of Trade inquiry was held under the auspices of Major-General C.S Hutchinson, veteran of numerous rail accidents including the Tay Bridge disaster of 1879. Lindal may not have been a tragedy, but was a fascinating case all the same.
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Disruption
Immediately after the first collapse, train passengers were forced to alight from their trains and walk around the crater to the far side. The empty carriages were then taken slowly over the dubious tracks, passengers resettling themselves once their train was back on solid ground. Passengers were eager to see the hole and crowded round to get a good look while officials tried to hurry them along. Goods and mineral traffic were a major source of revenue, so keeping them running was vital. Coke for the ironworks at Barrow, Askam and Millom, normally came via Carnforth and Lindal, but with the whole line at a standstill and Carnforth yard blocked with stalled goods trains, coke trains had to be redirected via Penrith and Whitehaven, an extra 100 miles, the same route being used for livestock, perishables and goods traffic for the Belfast boats. Up Barrow to Carnforth workings were also disrupted and again redirected round the Penrith route. Great efforts were made to get southbound trains away as quickly as possible, so as not to miss connections at Carnforth. Removing all the mails from Thursday evening’s 7.45 p.m. and 9.00 p.m. from Barrow was a long-winded affair, but all the bags were transferred to the onward train, and so efficiently that it caught the Night Mail at Carnforth. Friday morning’s mail was similarly dealt with, done and dusted within an hour.
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Explanations
The embankment was encircled by a tell-tale pattern of dips and hollows indicating a history of subsidence. Shaky ground had already caused concerns, requiring trains to be ‘slowed’ before crossing a nearby bridge. Extra ballasting had been necessary and the two main lines, as well as having normal crossways sleepers also rested on longitudinal baulks of timber. A field below the embankment had a 70 ft by 30 ft hollow nearly ten feet deep, and a nearby farmhouse had been abandoned because of subsidence. There were two levels of mine workings beneath the railway. The uppermost had not been used for some time, but miners in the lower level claimed they could hear trains above their heads and had already predicted a "big spill" someday.
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Further subsidence
Further subsidence was reported in November 1893, the line sinking by six feet very close to the 1892 subsidence. Traffic was again brought to a halt and worked single line until the problem was solved. Lancashire MP Colonel Thomas Sandys wrote to the Board of Trade with his thoughts, suggesting the mines be filled in or a bridge be built to span the unsafe ground altogether. The Board of Trade did indeed keep a watch on the Furness Railway for years afterwards, though directors were worried about adverse publicity.
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Alternative explanation
The explanation for the loss of No.115 given by a contemporary paper did not involve mining subsidence:
At the point where the subsidence took place there were large fissures in the rock, filled with sand. It is known that there is a subterranean stream below this, and it is supposed that owing to its action there has been a rush of sand, thus causing the subsidence[4]
effectively that the engine had not fallen into mine-workings but into a cavity caused by the collapse of an underlying sand-filled wash-hole or sink-hole of which the Furness area has many, mostly formed in the Ice Age. Where an underground water course washes out the sand it leaves a void. Heavy rainfall would accelerate removal of the fill, and heavy rainfall did precede the event: "With the heavy rains of late, there had been considerable flooding in the neighbourhood, and it is to this cause that the disaster is probably due at the time, the account given by The Engineer considered this possibility and identified how it might have been triggered by mining activity, but in the end thought it not the principal cause:

The railway at this point is undermined by the Parkside and Lindal Moor Mining Company, now leased by Messrs. Harrison, Ainslie, and Co., and for something like half a mile in length it is honeycombed by mining operations. For some time past evidence of the mine falling in, at any rate in its upper workings, has been seen, and on both sides of the railway embankment the ground has been gradually slipping for some time. The railway company, however, has been watching the action of this subsidence, and has placed a special watchman on the spot, with a view of detecting any change. Some time ago an adjoining farmhouse was let in, and the company found it necessary to prop up a railway bridge to prevent the line from collapsing. It is reported, however, that the workings of the Parkside mines have not been interfered with by the subsidence in the embankment, and that they exist intact under a stratification of rock which is as yet unshaken. The inference is that the vast volume of water which is pumped from the mines has caused percolation through the rock and left cavities in the upper strata which have caused a subsidence; but there is reason to believe that the subsidence which has now occurred is due mainly to the absolute fall of earth into old workings…
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Today
No.115 is officially regarded as ‘preserved’, but recovery is a source of speculation. It may not lay as deep as long thought. Many believe that the locomotive is not far down, probably lying within the confines of the embankment. The incident may have been the inspiration for "Down the Mine", one of the Rev. W. Awdry's railway tales published in 1953,[7] though that story may equally have been inspired by a similar incident in April 1945 where an industrial locomotive, still with its driver on board, fell into a disused mine shaft.[8]
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In popular culture
The event provided the inspiration for the Arthur Conan Doyle story, "The Lost Special", and, directly and indirectly, the TV serial Lost.
The third story in the eighth book of The Railway Series by Wilbert Awdry and its television adaptation in Thomas & Friends were inspired by the incident.
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Now i will count the years this locomotive was still down there: (sorry if some were wrong)
Note: Yrs mean years

1892 (Sharpie falls down the hole, 1 yr)
1893 (2 yrs)
1894 (3 yrs)
1895 (4 yrs)
1896 (5 yrs)
1897 (6 yrs)
1898 (7 yrs)
1899 (8 yrs)
1900 (9 yrs)
1910 (10 yrs)
1920 (11 yrs)
1930 (12 yrs)
1940 (13 yrs)
1950 (14 yrs)
1960 (15 yrs)
1970 (16 yrs)
1980 (17 yrs)
1990 (18 yrs)
2000 (19 yrs)
2001 (20 yrs)
2002 (21 yrs)
2003 (22 yrs)
2004 (23 yrs)
2005 (24 yrs)
2006 (25 yrs)
2007 (26 yrs)
2008 (27 yrs)
2009 (28 yrs)
2010 (29 yrs)
2011 (30 yrs)
2012 (31 yrs)
2013 (32 yrs)
2014 (33 yrs)
2015 (34 yrs)
2016 (35 yrs)
2017 (36 yrs)
2018 (37 yrs)
2019 (38 yrs, Sharpie is still there underground)
Now let that sink in... 127 years the locomotive itself is still down there preserved as a fossil, mankind never got Sharpie out... It's there silent and dormant... one day it might rise from the depths to the outside world. (The surface)

Well that was pretty long! Thank you for reading this:)
 
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I want to tell you guys something... anyone heard of the Lindal Railway Incident? If not here's i will explain it:
(Which happened back in 1892)
Note: got all of this from Wikipedia
The story
East of Lindal station on the Barrow-Carnforth route, the two main lines and two goods lines ran along an embankment, with five sidings to the north. The 7am Barrow-Carnforth goods had stopped at the sidings behind Furness Railway locomotive No.115, a D1 class 0-6-0 built by the firm of Sharp Stewart between 1866 and 1885. The ‘Sharpie’ (as the class were nicknamed) was busy shunting when the driver, Thomas Postlethwaite, saw cracks opening up in the ground right below. Knocking off steam, he jumped for his life, no sooner clear than the earth opened up to expose a sheer-sided hole 30 ft across and similar in depth. The driver and his fireman stared in disbelief as their locomotive fell into it front first, the funnel and front part embedded, with only the tender remaining visible above the surface. The rails on which the engine had been standing were snapped off and went down with it, while the supporting baulks under the main lines were laid bare. The adjacent up passenger line was left hanging lopsidedly, its ballast having cascaded into the abyss.
-------------------------------------------

Rescue attempts
Breakdown gangs from the locomotive and Permanent way departments attended with a crane and tool vans. The tender was uncoupled and pulled clear, but the locomotive itself weighed 35 tons and getting it out would be a massive task. The hole had appeared just 45 minutes before a Barrow-Carnforth passenger was due, and rumours soon went round that a whole passenger train had been swallowed up and scores of people had been killed and injured. People flocked to look, but were kept from going too close by railway staff and police.

At 2:30 PM, the men took a break for refreshments and had not been clear long when the hole suddenly deepened to about 60 feet – the locomotive falling further still until the earth closed over it and eclipsed it from sight. Witnesses were awestruck to see the huge machine disappear so quickly from their sight, falling to an unknown depth and obviously beyond recovery. The hole was even wider by then, with all eight tracks now twisted and bent, the ballast having fallen away, the sidings over which they’d been able to take empty coaches was now totally unsafe.
Passengers on the 2.57 from Carnforth were forced to abandon the train and had to walk down the adjacent road to Lindal Station, where another train took them on to Barrow. Thirteen conveyances were chartered, including large brakes, buses and horse-drawn carts for their luggage.


Trainloads of ballast continued to arrive and though most thought the worst had been seen, the full extent of the subsidence could only be guessed at and no one yet knew when rails might start to be safely relaid. The uppermost level of the mine workings were 500 feet down and No. 115 was considered to be lost forever. Others said it was only 80–90 feet down, but it was anyone’s guess.
The hole eventually swallowed up around 300 wagon loads of ballast until a solid foundation was established. A Board of Trade inquiry was held under the auspices of Major-General C.S Hutchinson, veteran of numerous rail accidents including the Tay Bridge disaster of 1879. Lindal may not have been a tragedy, but was a fascinating case all the same.
-------------------------------------------

Disruption
Immediately after the first collapse, train passengers were forced to alight from their trains and walk around the crater to the far side. The empty carriages were then taken slowly over the dubious tracks, passengers resettling themselves once their train was back on solid ground. Passengers were eager to see the hole and crowded round to get a good look while officials tried to hurry them along. Goods and mineral traffic were a major source of revenue, so keeping them running was vital. Coke for the ironworks at Barrow, Askam and Millom, normally came via Carnforth and Lindal, but with the whole line at a standstill and Carnforth yard blocked with stalled goods trains, coke trains had to be redirected via Penrith and Whitehaven, an extra 100 miles, the same route being used for livestock, perishables and goods traffic for the Belfast boats. Up Barrow to Carnforth workings were also disrupted and again redirected round the Penrith route. Great efforts were made to get southbound trains away as quickly as possible, so as not to miss connections at Carnforth. Removing all the mails from Thursday evening’s 7.45 p.m. and 9.00 p.m. from Barrow was a long-winded affair, but all the bags were transferred to the onward train, and so efficiently that it caught the Night Mail at Carnforth. Friday morning’s mail was similarly dealt with, done and dusted within an hour.
----------------------------------------------

Explanations
The embankment was encircled by a tell-tale pattern of dips and hollows indicating a history of subsidence. Shaky ground had already caused concerns, requiring trains to be ‘slowed’ before crossing a nearby bridge. Extra ballasting had been necessary and the two main lines, as well as having normal crossways sleepers also rested on longitudinal baulks of timber. A field below the embankment had a 70 ft by 30 ft hollow nearly ten feet deep, and a nearby farmhouse had been abandoned because of subsidence. There were two levels of mine workings beneath the railway. The uppermost had not been used for some time, but miners in the lower level claimed they could hear trains above their heads and had already predicted a "big spill" someday.
----------------------------------------------

Further subsidence
Further subsidence was reported in November 1893, the line sinking by six feet very close to the 1892 subsidence. Traffic was again brought to a halt and worked single line until the problem was solved. Lancashire MP Colonel Thomas Sandys wrote to the Board of Trade with his thoughts, suggesting the mines be filled in or a bridge be built to span the unsafe ground altogether. The Board of Trade did indeed keep a watch on the Furness Railway for years afterwards, though directors were worried about adverse publicity.
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Alternative explanation
The explanation for the loss of No.115 given by a contemporary paper did not involve mining subsidence:
At the point where the subsidence took place there were large fissures in the rock, filled with sand. It is known that there is a subterranean stream below this, and it is supposed that owing to its action there has been a rush of sand, thus causing the subsidence[4]
effectively that the engine had not fallen into mine-workings but into a cavity caused by the collapse of an underlying sand-filled wash-hole or sink-hole of which the Furness area has many, mostly formed in the Ice Age. Where an underground water course washes out the sand it leaves a void. Heavy rainfall would accelerate removal of the fill, and heavy rainfall did precede the event: "With the heavy rains of late, there had been considerable flooding in the neighbourhood, and it is to this cause that the disaster is probably due at the time, the account given by The Engineer considered this possibility and identified how it might have been triggered by mining activity, but in the end thought it not the principal cause:

The railway at this point is undermined by the Parkside and Lindal Moor Mining Company, now leased by Messrs. Harrison, Ainslie, and Co., and for something like half a mile in length it is honeycombed by mining operations. For some time past evidence of the mine falling in, at any rate in its upper workings, has been seen, and on both sides of the railway embankment the ground has been gradually slipping for some time. The railway company, however, has been watching the action of this subsidence, and has placed a special watchman on the spot, with a view of detecting any change. Some time ago an adjoining farmhouse was let in, and the company found it necessary to prop up a railway bridge to prevent the line from collapsing. It is reported, however, that the workings of the Parkside mines have not been interfered with by the subsidence in the embankment, and that they exist intact under a stratification of rock which is as yet unshaken. The inference is that the vast volume of water which is pumped from the mines has caused percolation through the rock and left cavities in the upper strata which have caused a subsidence; but there is reason to believe that the subsidence which has now occurred is due mainly to the absolute fall of earth into old workings…
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Today
No.115 is officially regarded as ‘preserved’, but recovery is a source of speculation. It may not lay as deep as long thought. Many believe that the locomotive is not far down, probably lying within the confines of the embankment. The incident may have been the inspiration for "Down the Mine", one of the Rev. W. Awdry's railway tales published in 1953,[7] though that story may equally have been inspired by a similar incident in April 1945 where an industrial locomotive, still with its driver on board, fell into a disused mine shaft.[8]
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In popular culture
The event provided the inspiration for the Arthur Conan Doyle story, "The Lost Special", and, directly and indirectly, the TV serial Lost.
The third story in the eighth book of The Railway Series by Wilbert Awdry and its television adaptation in Thomas & Friends were inspired by the incident.
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Now i will count the years this locomotive was still down there: (sorry if some were wrong)
Note: Yrs mean years

1892 (Sharpie falls down the hole, 1 yr)
1893 (2 yrs)
1894 (3 yrs)
1895 (4 yrs)
1896 (5 yrs)
1897 (6 yrs)
1898 (7 yrs)
1899 (8 yrs)
1900 (9 yrs)
1910 (10 yrs)
1920 (11 yrs)
1930 (12 yrs)
1940 (13 yrs)
1950 (14 yrs)
1960 (15 yrs)
1970 (16 yrs)
1980 (17 yrs)
1990 (18 yrs)
2000 (19 yrs)
2001 (20 yrs)
2002 (21 yrs)
2003 (22 yrs)
2004 (23 yrs)
2005 (24 yrs)
2006 (25 yrs)
2007 (26 yrs)
2008 (27 yrs)
2009 (28 yrs)
2010 (29 yrs)
2011 (30 yrs)
2012 (31 yrs)
2013 (32 yrs)
2014 (33 yrs)
2015 (34 yrs)
2016 (35 yrs)
2017 (36 yrs)
2018 (37 yrs)
2019 (38 yrs, Sharpie is still there underground)

Now let that sink in... 38 years the locomotive itself is still down there preserved as a fossil, mankind never got Sharpie out... It's there silent and dormant... one day it might rise from the depths to the outside world. (The surface)

Well that was pretty long! Thank you for reading this:)
where the **** did you come from and why are you teaching me things

its summer im trying to escape school
 
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I want to tell you guys something... anyone heard of the Lindal Railway Incident? If not here's i will explain it:
(Which happened back in 1892)
Note: got all of this from Wikipedia
The story
East of Lindal station on the Barrow-Carnforth route, the two main lines and two goods lines ran along an embankment, with five sidings to the north. The 7am Barrow-Carnforth goods had stopped at the sidings behind Furness Railway locomotive No.115, a D1 class 0-6-0 built by the firm of Sharp Stewart between 1866 and 1885. The ‘Sharpie’ (as the class were nicknamed) was busy shunting when the driver, Thomas Postlethwaite, saw cracks opening up in the ground right below. Knocking off steam, he jumped for his life, no sooner clear than the earth opened up to expose a sheer-sided hole 30 ft across and similar in depth. The driver and his fireman stared in disbelief as their locomotive fell into it front first, the funnel and front part embedded, with only the tender remaining visible above the surface. The rails on which the engine had been standing were snapped off and went down with it, while the supporting baulks under the main lines were laid bare. The adjacent up passenger line was left hanging lopsidedly, its ballast having cascaded into the abyss.
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Rescue attempts
Breakdown gangs from the locomotive and Permanent way departments attended with a crane and tool vans. The tender was uncoupled and pulled clear, but the locomotive itself weighed 35 tons and getting it out would be a massive task. The hole had appeared just 45 minutes before a Barrow-Carnforth passenger was due, and rumours soon went round that a whole passenger train had been swallowed up and scores of people had been killed and injured. People flocked to look, but were kept from going too close by railway staff and police.

At 2:30 PM, the men took a break for refreshments and had not been clear long when the hole suddenly deepened to about 60 feet – the locomotive falling further still until the earth closed over it and eclipsed it from sight. Witnesses were awestruck to see the huge machine disappear so quickly from their sight, falling to an unknown depth and obviously beyond recovery. The hole was even wider by then, with all eight tracks now twisted and bent, the ballast having fallen away, the sidings over which they’d been able to take empty coaches was now totally unsafe.
Passengers on the 2.57 from Carnforth were forced to abandon the train and had to walk down the adjacent road to Lindal Station, where another train took them on to Barrow. Thirteen conveyances were chartered, including large brakes, buses and horse-drawn carts for their luggage.


Trainloads of ballast continued to arrive and though most thought the worst had been seen, the full extent of the subsidence could only be guessed at and no one yet knew when rails might start to be safely relaid. The uppermost level of the mine workings were 500 feet down and No. 115 was considered to be lost forever. Others said it was only 80–90 feet down, but it was anyone’s guess.
The hole eventually swallowed up around 300 wagon loads of ballast until a solid foundation was established. A Board of Trade inquiry was held under the auspices of Major-General C.S Hutchinson, veteran of numerous rail accidents including the Tay Bridge disaster of 1879. Lindal may not have been a tragedy, but was a fascinating case all the same.
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Disruption
Immediately after the first collapse, train passengers were forced to alight from their trains and walk around the crater to the far side. The empty carriages were then taken slowly over the dubious tracks, passengers resettling themselves once their train was back on solid ground. Passengers were eager to see the hole and crowded round to get a good look while officials tried to hurry them along. Goods and mineral traffic were a major source of revenue, so keeping them running was vital. Coke for the ironworks at Barrow, Askam and Millom, normally came via Carnforth and Lindal, but with the whole line at a standstill and Carnforth yard blocked with stalled goods trains, coke trains had to be redirected via Penrith and Whitehaven, an extra 100 miles, the same route being used for livestock, perishables and goods traffic for the Belfast boats. Up Barrow to Carnforth workings were also disrupted and again redirected round the Penrith route. Great efforts were made to get southbound trains away as quickly as possible, so as not to miss connections at Carnforth. Removing all the mails from Thursday evening’s 7.45 p.m. and 9.00 p.m. from Barrow was a long-winded affair, but all the bags were transferred to the onward train, and so efficiently that it caught the Night Mail at Carnforth. Friday morning’s mail was similarly dealt with, done and dusted within an hour.
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Explanations
The embankment was encircled by a tell-tale pattern of dips and hollows indicating a history of subsidence. Shaky ground had already caused concerns, requiring trains to be ‘slowed’ before crossing a nearby bridge. Extra ballasting had been necessary and the two main lines, as well as having normal crossways sleepers also rested on longitudinal baulks of timber. A field below the embankment had a 70 ft by 30 ft hollow nearly ten feet deep, and a nearby farmhouse had been abandoned because of subsidence. There were two levels of mine workings beneath the railway. The uppermost had not been used for some time, but miners in the lower level claimed they could hear trains above their heads and had already predicted a "big spill" someday.
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Further subsidence
Further subsidence was reported in November 1893, the line sinking by six feet very close to the 1892 subsidence. Traffic was again brought to a halt and worked single line until the problem was solved. Lancashire MP Colonel Thomas Sandys wrote to the Board of Trade with his thoughts, suggesting the mines be filled in or a bridge be built to span the unsafe ground altogether. The Board of Trade did indeed keep a watch on the Furness Railway for years afterwards, though directors were worried about adverse publicity.
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Alternative explanation
The explanation for the loss of No.115 given by a contemporary paper did not involve mining subsidence:
At the point where the subsidence took place there were large fissures in the rock, filled with sand. It is known that there is a subterranean stream below this, and it is supposed that owing to its action there has been a rush of sand, thus causing the subsidence[4]
effectively that the engine had not fallen into mine-workings but into a cavity caused by the collapse of an underlying sand-filled wash-hole or sink-hole of which the Furness area has many, mostly formed in the Ice Age. Where an underground water course washes out the sand it leaves a void. Heavy rainfall would accelerate removal of the fill, and heavy rainfall did precede the event: "With the heavy rains of late, there had been considerable flooding in the neighbourhood, and it is to this cause that the disaster is probably due at the time, the account given by The Engineer considered this possibility and identified how it might have been triggered by mining activity, but in the end thought it not the principal cause:

The railway at this point is undermined by the Parkside and Lindal Moor Mining Company, now leased by Messrs. Harrison, Ainslie, and Co., and for something like half a mile in length it is honeycombed by mining operations. For some time past evidence of the mine falling in, at any rate in its upper workings, has been seen, and on both sides of the railway embankment the ground has been gradually slipping for some time. The railway company, however, has been watching the action of this subsidence, and has placed a special watchman on the spot, with a view of detecting any change. Some time ago an adjoining farmhouse was let in, and the company found it necessary to prop up a railway bridge to prevent the line from collapsing. It is reported, however, that the workings of the Parkside mines have not been interfered with by the subsidence in the embankment, and that they exist intact under a stratification of rock which is as yet unshaken. The inference is that the vast volume of water which is pumped from the mines has caused percolation through the rock and left cavities in the upper strata which have caused a subsidence; but there is reason to believe that the subsidence which has now occurred is due mainly to the absolute fall of earth into old workings…
-------------------------------------------------

Today
No.115 is officially regarded as ‘preserved’, but recovery is a source of speculation. It may not lay as deep as long thought. Many believe that the locomotive is not far down, probably lying within the confines of the embankment. The incident may have been the inspiration for "Down the Mine", one of the Rev. W. Awdry's railway tales published in 1953,[7] though that story may equally have been inspired by a similar incident in April 1945 where an industrial locomotive, still with its driver on board, fell into a disused mine shaft.[8]
-------------------------------------------------

In popular culture
The event provided the inspiration for the Arthur Conan Doyle story, "The Lost Special", and, directly and indirectly, the TV serial Lost.
The third story in the eighth book of The Railway Series by Wilbert Awdry and its television adaptation in Thomas & Friends were inspired by the incident.
--------------------------------------------------

Now i will count the years this locomotive was still down there: (sorry if some were wrong)
Note: Yrs mean years

1892 (Sharpie falls down the hole, 1 yr)
1893 (2 yrs)
1894 (3 yrs)
1895 (4 yrs)
1896 (5 yrs)
1897 (6 yrs)
1898 (7 yrs)
1899 (8 yrs)
1900 (9 yrs)
1910 (10 yrs)
1920 (11 yrs)
1930 (12 yrs)
1940 (13 yrs)
1950 (14 yrs)
1960 (15 yrs)
1970 (16 yrs)
1980 (17 yrs)
1990 (18 yrs)
2000 (19 yrs)
2001 (20 yrs)
2002 (21 yrs)
2003 (22 yrs)
2004 (23 yrs)
2005 (24 yrs)
2006 (25 yrs)
2007 (26 yrs)
2008 (27 yrs)
2009 (28 yrs)
2010 (29 yrs)
2011 (30 yrs)
2012 (31 yrs)
2013 (32 yrs)
2014 (33 yrs)
2015 (34 yrs)
2016 (35 yrs)
2017 (36 yrs)
2018 (37 yrs)
2019 (38 yrs, Sharpie is still there underground)

Now let that sink in... 38 years the locomotive itself is still down there preserved as a fossil, mankind never got Sharpie out... It's there silent and dormant... one day it might rise from the depths to the outside world. (The surface)

Well that was pretty long! Thank you for reading this:)
A for effort

W for what
 
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