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[StrangeKitten]

I just watched the ending of Persona 4 play out and this song pops into my head.

I have no idea why.


As far as I can tell most of the people that played OK were people who never played the first three and have nothing to compare it too.

Me, the last time I watched the P4 ending:
Me, thinking of the same ending but with Hey Digimon playing over it:

 

[Roguewolf]

I never said it didn't make their opinions invalid.

I've seen a lot of people who just hate the older games despite never playing them because it's a valid criticism to say the modern games are trash and they take offense to that

it’s a valid criticism to say a sweeping opinion
as fact
I think my brain broke on that line

bud don’t be rude just let people enjoy paper Mario how they want

 

[TheMightyP]

I’ve been following others play though TOK, and while I will say it is the best out of the modern games, it still doesn’t resonate with me that much and I’m not interested in getting it myself, I’m more than content watching others play it. Good for those who do enjoy it though, I wish I could find as much enjoyment in it as you guys do. I’m still gonna work on my ideas for Star-Drawn Journeys as something to beef up my portfolio though.

And that's totally fine. The game isn't gonna appeal to all, no game ever will.
It all depends on how you carry yourself with those opinions, which for some reason, Nintendo fanbases as a whole have a very hard time grasping.

 

[Wademan94]

What server? May you please tell me?

It’s just my personal Discord server that I use for working on my art and writing projects.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

it’s a valid criticism to say a sweeping opinion
as fact
I think my brain broke on that line

bud don’t be rude just let people enjoy paper Mario how they want

Paper Mario really needs the Sonic Generations treatment. I thought Origami King was going to be a perfect marriage of the two styles. I guess it's not? But I think we can all agree that that is what the series needs.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

it’s a valid criticism to say a sweeping opinion
as fact
I think my brain broke on that line

bud don’t be rude just let people enjoy paper Mario how they want

I misspelled it and I now corrected it lol

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

That's incredibly dismissive.

Objective quality is an artificial construct. All it means is that a majority of people like it. As an example, I've loved Ben 10 all my life. And all my life I was told it was a bad show. But then, low and behold, Kuro the Artist blows up and people come out of the woodwork and people start praising the show. It's a meaningless phrase.

And either way, I don't care. I just want people to stop being mean because I've been on that end a lot in my life. I know what it's like to be continually disappointed. So I can't be mad at people for expressing that disappointment.

Again, no one is mad at anyone for expressing disappointment. People are just saying that there’s a difference between “It isn’t what I wanted so I’m disappointed” and “It isn’t what I wanted so it’s bad”. Either way, it’s best to just leave this discussion to rest.

 

[osby]

I never said it did make their opinions invalid.

I've seen a lot of people who just hate the older games despite never playing them because it's a valid criticism to say the modern games are trash and they take offense to that

You call subjective entertainment thrash and act like it's valid criticism and people take offense to that?

Can't imagine why.

 

[TheMightyP]

Paper Mario really needs the Sonic Generations treatment. I thought Origami King was going to be a perfect marriage of the two styles. I guess it's not? But I think we can all agree that that is what the series needs.

Origami King is basically the Super of the Modern Titles, in that they completely threw away everything for a brand new game and gameplay style.

 

[Deleted member]

It’s just my personal Discord server that I use for working on my art and writing projects.

Oh, I understand. Whatever choice you make I am acceptable with.

And either way, I don't care. I just want people to stop being mean because I've been on that end a lot in my life. I know what it's like to be continually disappointed. So I can't be mad at people for expressing that disappointment.

Can you do us a favor and stop please?

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[MooMew64]

Man, I just want Nintendo to tell me if Mario & Luigi is dead forever or not.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Man, I just want Nintendo to tell me if Mario & Luigi is dead forever or not.

they should buy AlphaDream already, idk what's taking so long

they could have bought Cing ages ago too but they didn't...

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Oh, I understand. Whatever choice you make I am acceptable with.

Can you do us a favor and stop please?

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rolls eyes Even when I'm not angry I'm the villain. Insert passive aggressive jab at the direct here. I'm gonna go play Crystal Crisis

 

[Deleted member]

Man, I just want Nintendo to tell me if Mario & Luigi is dead forever or not.

I have some very tragic news for you, but they have been murdered.

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[Hadokeyblade]

Paper Mario really needs the Sonic Generations treatment. I thought Origami King was going to be a perfect marriage of the two styles. I guess it's not? But I think we can all agree that that is what the series needs.

The closest we got to that is Mario and Luigi Paper Jam which bugs me the more I think about it.

Superstar Saga implies that the events of Paper Mario actually happened in this series world so Mario in Superstar Saga has to be the same guy as In Paper Mario. Which can't be true if Paper Jam exists.

 

[TheMightyP]

Man, I just want Nintendo to tell me if Mario & Luigi is dead forever or not.

The Scissors boss fight in Origami King made me really want a new Mario and Luigi

 

[snowgolem]

I have some very tragic news for you, but they have been murdered.

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Why did I think that was what their original post was talking about

 

[SnakeFighter64]

The closest we got to that is Mario and Luigi Paper Jam which bugs me the more I think about it.

Superstar Saga implies that the events of Paper Mario actually happened in this series world so Mario in Superstar Saga has to be the same guy as In Paper Mario.

Wait what?....... that.... hm....... I don't know how to feel about that.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

That's incredibly dismissive.
Objective quality is an artificial construct. All it means is that a majority of people like it. As an example, I've loved Ben 10 all my life. And all my life I was told it was a bad show. But then, low and behold, Kuro the Artist blows up and people come out of the woodwork and people start praising the show. It's a meaningless phrase.
And either way, I don't care. I just want people to stop being mean because I've been on that end a lot in my life. I know what it's like to be continually disappointed. So I can't be mad at people for expressing that disappointment.

Snake, I'm not being mean on it. It's just you tend to have these discussions and while I love people being passionate you tend to drag it a bit and roll the ball further than intended.

I'd stand up for you with things like that **** you got on Twitter the other week in a heartbeat despite our differences when it comes to views of games and stuff. Regardless I think we should take a breather on this. I'm gonna take a break here and get some good food in me and then come back.

Let me think on it.

It's on the table and we'll gladly wait. Me and Wade have helped out each other on feedback along with a few others working on their own stuff.

 

[Deleted member]

rolls eyes Even when I'm not angry I'm the villain. Insert passive aggressive jab at the direct here. I'm gonna go play Crystal Crisis

You do this like ever other week. -__- Like....everytime news comes out oh look, here's your hot take about how bad it is and how it doesn't pander to you specifically. After many months of you doing this its frankly starting to get old.

 

[TheMightyP]

I honestly want to say Mario and Luigi are alive, but Paper Jam, SSDX, and BiSDX sold like garbo so...

We suffer

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Man, I just want Nintendo to tell me if Mario & Luigi is dead forever or not.

The sad part is that even if the series isn't dead the next entry will succumb to the same virus that ruined Paper mario.

You could already see hints of this in the remasters of Bowsers inside story and superstar saga, using only generic toads and goombas and changing the designs of the brothers to match the main series.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Paper Mario really needs the Sonic Generations treatment. I thought Origami King was going to be a perfect marriage of the two styles. I guess it's not? But I think we can all agree that that is what the series needs.

It really just needs Nintendo to stop being needlessly paranoid about unique Toads, Goombas, partners etc. and stop being hypocrites by using unique characters/designs like that in mainline games.

 

[snowgolem]

Remember when Nintendo told us about how Treasure was making a game on twitter before the treehouse?
They should just start doing that, but disconfirming stuff. They announce a Direct Mini and just start tweeting out “there will be no zelda games shown” and “there will be no new smash fighter”

 

[Deleted member]

I honestly want to say Mario and Luigi are alive, but Paper Jam, SSDX, and BiSDX sold like garbo so...

We suffer

My question is what went wrong when they were developing Sticker Star?

 

[Wademan94]

And that's totally fine. The game isn't gonna appeal to all, no game ever will.
It all depends on how you carry yourself with those opinions, which for some reason, Nintendo fanbases as a whole have a very hard time grasping.

I’m more mad with how Nintendo is treating the series than anyone playing. I wish SS didn’t kill my interest in the modern games. It’s good that this feels better than the last two but I’m still gonna miss what the series used to be and could’ve been had they continued with the formula.

 

[DerpingPikachu]

I had a dream last night where Shigeru Miyamoto showed up at my house
I have no idea why he was there I just stepped outside and found him behind my mailbox so I invited him inside

 

[Deleted member]

The sad part is that even if the series isn't dead the next entry will succumb to the same virus that ruined Paper mario.

You could already see hints of this in the remasters of Bowsers inside story and superstar saga, using only generic toads and goombas and changing the designs of the brothers to match the main series.

Wait really?
Actually now that I think about that Captain Goomba side game literally only used just generic enemies and the koopalings...

 

[Deleted member]

My question is what went wrong when they were developing Paper Jam?

TheMightyP I meant Sticker Star, not Paper Jam. My brain ****ed up there.

 

[Deleted member]

Remember when Nintendo told us about how Treasure was making a game on twitter before the treehouse?
They should just start doing that, but disconfirming stuff. They announce a Direct Mini and just start tweeting out “there will be no zelda games shown” and “there will be no new smash fighter”

Even when they do that kinda stuff(I distinctly remember one direct where nintendo outright said there was gonna be no Smash reveal) people still get mad. You can't please Nintendo fans, no matter what you do they'll find something to get mad over.

 

[Wademan94]

My question is what went wrong when they were developing Paper Jam?

They had to deal with the SS/CS iteration and the M&L series started feeling more homogenous with DT among other things.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Wait really?
Actually now that I think about that Captain Goomba side game literally only used just generic enemies and the koopalings...
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Yeah this is an actual mandate from Nintendo and the reason why Paper Mario changed so drastically after the third game.

The Mario rpg's have to match New super Mario bros exactly.

R.I.P Luigi's socks.

 

[Deleted member]

They had to deal with the SS/CS iteration and the M&L series started feeling more homogenous with DT among other things.

I meant Sticker Star, my bad.
May you please tell me your explanation on what went wrong as they were developing Sticker Star?

 

[Wademan94]

TheMightyP I meant Sticker Star, not Paper Jam. My brain ****ed up there.

The director who was a Miyamoto fanboy took his advice a bit too seriously and didn’t care that he was gonna upset classic PM fans cause he and I quote “made a game for 7-10 year olds.”

 

[snowgolem]

Even when they do that kinda stuff(I distinctly remember one direct where nintendo outright said there was gonna be no Smash reveal) people still get mad. You can't please Nintendo fans, no matter what you do they'll find something to get mad over.

Better plan.
Nintendo starts making mature Mario games to get rid of the kids
and all of the adults that act that way get removed from the planet.

 

[TheMightyP]

My question is what went wrong when they were developing Sticker Star?

Everything was AlphaDreams fault tbh. They didn't want to go all out with the crossover, so they played it extremely safe, and as a result, every single thing suffered.

Gameplay was fine though.

I’m more mad with how Nintendo is treating the series than anyone playing. I wish SS didn’t kill my interest in the modern games. It’s good that this feels better than the last two but I’m still gonna miss what the series used to be and could’ve been had they continued with the formula.

Nobody's arguing that the series should return back to it's roots, but honestly, it's fate was sealed when Super sold the most, and then Sticker Star sold the 2nd most.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

I had a dream last night where Shigeru Miyamoto showed up at my house
I have no idea why he was there I just stepped outside and found him behind my mailbox so I invited him inside

Dude.

You created the best post today.

Pack it in guys, don't even thinking about posting today. He dreamt about big Miyamoto.

 

[TheCJBrine]

My question is what went wrong when they were developing Sticker Star?

In beta images they seemed to have planned partners like the original 2 games, though this time generic judging by the generic Chain Chomp partner but still cool; Miyamoto told them to do something different from TTYD and either 1. they went too far in that direction or 2. the rumored Mario Quality Assurance committee or whoever higherups at Nintendo (backed up by Tanabe's statements about it being "impossible" to use age/gender and stuff) got paranoid about unique versions of their character species and other unique stuff (despite the previous games, that they're oh-so afraid of, being beloved) so they went hard against that stuff while being hypocrites in their mainline games, and only letting up somewhat since that game so thankfully it at least got better.

 

[TheMightyP]

TheMightyP I meant Sticker Star, not Paper Jam. My brain ****ed up there.

Tanabe took what Miyamoto said to heart, and then added restrictions from Nintendo made the game so bland and not very memorable. Color Splash happened because they made the game immediately afterwards, not realizing people didn't like it until too late.

Origami King is what happened when Color Splash died paying for the sins of Sticker Star.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

The director who was a Miyamoto fanboy took his advice a bit too seriously and didn’t care that he was gonna upset classic PM fans cause he and I quote “made a game for 7-10 year olds.”

This is stupid because the Mario RPGs aren't games made exclusively for children, the tone and writing in these games were always more of an all ages type experience.