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[Michael the Spikester]

Microsoft is like 4x times the size of Disney

I still would rather them than Disney buying the rights. At least Microsoft doesn't **** over franchises they buy like Disney has notably Star Wars.

 

[zeldasmash]

If THE MOUSE had the least bit of business sense, they'd greenlight MVC4, back off on trying to make it MCU flavored, give the team enough time to develop some new characters, and slap Capcom if and when their monetisation hurts the game. (put just about all the new character in the season pass including one of the main villains? GENIUS!)

From a character perspective, I don't understand why the MCU got so much hate for it. You look back on UMvC3's Marvel roster and 22/25 of them have been in live action, even Super Skrull, Sentinel and soon to be Taskmaster. The only ones that haven't are Shuma and MODOK, though with the new Avenger's game, something tells me they are going to use MODOK soon. A lot of Marvel's biggest heroes have been in live action. Even then, MvCI did not add MCU popular choices like Star-Lord and especially Loki which are just baffling omissions yet they added Nova, who has yet to be seen physically in a movie despite the Nova Corps being present (Guardians of the Galaxy and I'm pretty sure the 3rd one is gonna have Nova).

I will agree that the MCU should not be used as an artistic influence and they should stick with the UMvC3 art style and improve upon it.

 

[PLANTMAN]

Good morning y’all

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Fairly certain I'm certain they'd respect and keep it the way it is. Better then EA and Disney, I can guarantee.

Nah.... MK would get simplified and ruined because Nintendo hates violance and story.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Nah.... MK would get simplified and ruined because Nintendo hates violance and story.

Though not M rated keep Metroid in mind. Probably Nintendo's most active violent IP.

 

[Schnee117]

At least Microsoft doesn't **** over franchises they buy

I know a sizable number of Rare fans that would strongly disagree with you, not that I necessarily fully agree with them either

From a character perspective, I don't understand why the MCU got so much hate for it. You look back on UMvC3's Marvel roster and 22/25 of them have been in live action, even Super Skrull, Sentinel and soon to be Taskmaster. The only ones that haven't are Shuma and MODOK, though with the new Avenger's game, something tells me they are going to use MODOK soon. A lot of Marvel's biggest heroes have been in live action. Even then, MvCI did not add MCU popular choices like Star-Lord and especially Loki which are just baffling omissions yet they added Nova, who has yet to be seen physically in a movie despite the Nova Corps being present (Guardians of the Galaxy and I'm pretty sure the 3rd one is gonna have Nova).

I will agree that the MCU should not be used as an artistic influence and they should stick with the UMvC3 art style and improve upon it.

At the time the MCU hadn't really featured most of those characters. I distinctly remember a lot of people being like "Who the **** is Rocket Raccoon" and now he's a household name.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I know a sizable number of Rare fans that would strongly disagree with you, not that I necessarily fully agree with them either

Except Microsoft isn't what they used to be anymore as that was nearly 20 years ago. I took Banjo's inclusion in Smash to be a sign of not just Phil Spencer being down for Banjo being in Smash and the current relationship between Microsoft and Nintendo but rather to see where the Banjo franchise could go from there and potentially reboot more true to the first two games.

Otherwise you'd think Steve or Master Chief would be the ones chosen instead.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I think Microsoft bought Rare, not knowing what direction their playerbase was going. I remember they tried really hard to push Mascots other than Master Chief for a while then gave up.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

From a character perspective, I don't understand why the MCU got so much hate for it. You look back on UMvC3's Marvel roster and 22/25 of them have been in live action, even Super Skrull, Sentinel and soon to be Taskmaster. The only ones that haven't are Shuma and MODOK, though with the new Avenger's game, something tells me they are going to use MODOK soon. A lot of Marvel's biggest heroes have been in live action. Even then, MvCI did not add MCU popular choices like Star-Lord and especially Loki which are just baffling omissions yet they added Nova, who has yet to be seen physically in a movie despite the Nova Corps being present (Guardians of the Galaxy and I'm pretty sure the 3rd one is gonna have Nova).

I will agree that the MCU should not be used as an artistic influence and they should stick with the UMvC3 art style and improve upon it.

..... As someone who hates the weird head flaps on Hawkeye and Wolverine's costumes..... no.... plus the cell shaded art style just looks... weird.... looking back.... like.... it all looks like toys rather then superheroes and game characters....

Though not M rated keep Metroid in mind. Probably Nintendo's most active violent IP.

Still not as over the top as MK, remember Japan hates gore. And again, Nintendo hates story.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I just hope there's no more arbitrary character cuts like Mega Man in MVC3 or anything Fox in MVCI.

 

[Schnee117]

Except Microsoft isn't what they used to be anymore as that was nearly 20 years ago. I took Banjo's inclusion in Smash to be a sign of not just Phil Spencer being down for Banjo being in Smash and the current relationship between Microsoft and Nintendo but rather to see where the Banjo franchise could go from there and potentially reboot more true to the first two games.

Otherwise you'd think Steve or Master Chief would be the ones chosen instead.

That still doesn't actually engage the point of Conker getting an awful re-release and people hating Nuts & Bolts as well as Perfect Dark Zero.
People are also lukewarm on the upcoming Battletoads atm. Killer Instinct is the one hit from the old rare IPs.

What could happen in the future doesn't matter until we actually see what they have in store.
I could see a reboot/remakes happening, but people also need to actually see it in motion.

 

[Teeb147]

That still doesn't actually engage the point of Conker getting an awful re-release and people hating Nuts & Bolts as well as Perfect Dark Zero.
People are also lukewarm on the upcoming Battletoads atm. Killer Instinct is the one hit from the old rare IPs.

What could happen in the future doesn't matter until we actually see what they have in store.
I could see a reboot/remakes happening, but people also need to actually see it in motion.

I'd love to see more of Conker. Would be interesting for smash too but obviously that wouldnt happen XD

 

[PLANTMAN]

I'd love to see more of Conker. Would be interesting for smash too but obviously that wouldnt happen XD

Maybe he could be a mii sword fighter outfit where his sword is a chainsaw

 

[zeldasmash]

Maybe he could be a mii sword fighter outfit where his sword is a chainsaw

That actually would be pretty cool. That and it would be cool to have the Swordfighter get a costume like that instead of giving them all to the Gunner.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

And again, Nintendo hates story.

Just because they keep some of their flagship franchises straight-forward plot-wise doesn’t mean they “hate story.” There are lots of Nintendo RPG’s and such that are deeper than Mario and company. Plus games like Metroid and Kirby have very interesting lore built in, even if the games aren’t cutscene-heavy interactive movies.

 

[TheMightyP]

Ok, hot take: Kirby Lore isn't that good. It's actually handled rather poorly imo.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Ok, hot take: Kirby Lore isn't that good. It's actually handled rather poorly imo.

Interesting. How so?

 

[TheCJBrine]

And again, Nintendo hates story.

Not really, while the plots are often somewhat basic, they at least have some depth to them, with some having a lot of depth; well, except for newer 2D Mario games rehashing the same story with few extra bits.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I will agree that the MCU should not be used as an artistic influence and they should stick with the UMvC3 art style and improve upon it.

I think it's telling that there's not a single positive anyone can say about Infinite's artstyle. Dropping some of the most iconic themes for 'muh cinematic music'. The one thing I occaisonally see get defended is Hawkeye having his MCU look when it's literally his Ultimate Marvel Comics design and not the MCU one

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Not really, while the plots are often somewhat basic, they at least have some depth to them, with some having a lot of depth; well, except for newer 2D Mario games rehashing the same story with few extra bits.

And that makes sense. Mainly on Miyamoto, but he wants Mario generally to have next to no real story, while the Legend of Zelda games are supposed to be story-driven.

Ironically he's not what screwed it up for Paper Mario, as the team were free to make the story work as they wish, but weren't allowed to use "special" race characters anymore. They asked Club Nintendo if they want "story in Mario games", not specifying the RPG's, giving an answer of no, due to a very misleading question. There was no real complaints about Paper Mario having a story either. Miyamoto not wanting them to just rehash TTYD makes sense. He wants teams to try and innovate more. That's something that he likes in game design, reinventing the wheel constantly. That doesn't mean it's a good thing to try too hard, but at least he's consistent about it. ...Poor Star Fox(both Command and Zero suffered from poor innovation. Albeit, Command also suffered from horrid story telling too, namely poor Krystal is thrown into ridiculous story portions. I liked the direction of having the children come up, and with Peppy's dub voice actor passing away, bringing the story in with new characters isn't even a bad thing nowadays. It just needs more work in the oven. It's also worth mentioning that Wolf has proven to not be outright evil, so people being able to change alliances isn't unbelievable. It's not always about good and evil, but their cause and if they feel it's worth fighting for. I like the gray and gray morality design, as it allows for more interesting characterization than just good and evil alone.

 

[snowgolem]

Wait, what’s this about MvCI being based on the MCU? I never wanted to play it (due to the lack of a certain attorney) but looking up the roster, yes, some of the characters do seem like they were added for the MCU (Thanos, Ultron) but others (Ghost Rider, Nova) were clearly not. Plus, none of the characters even look like their MCU counterparts. They’re all just based on their comic appearances.
Am I missing something here?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Just because they keep some of their flagship franchises straight-forward plot-wise doesn’t mean they “hate story.” There are lots of Nintendo RPG’s and such that are deeper than Mario and company. Plus games like Metroid and Kirby have very interesting lore built in, even if the games aren’t cutscene-heavy interactive movies.

Disagree. Unless they fully embrace it they won’t convince me.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Not sure why precisely, but TvTrope keep giving me errors because of server problems or somethin', and I don't know what to do with my time now.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Not really, while the plots are often somewhat basic, they at least have some depth to them, with some having a lot of depth; well, except for newer 2D Mario games rehashing the same story with few extra bits.

Yes because when people think of the great gaming stories they think of Metal Gear Solid and Mario Odyssey. Breath of the Wild and FFVII are always in the same breath. Persona 5 and Pokémon Sword and Shield are master classes in narrative.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Not sure why precisely, but TvTrope keep giving me errors because of server problems or somethin', and I don't know what to do with my time now.

It's been down all day. The twitter says that their servers crashed and they're working on getting them back up.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Just got to the point in Sakura wars where they do the Christmas play, Hatsuho looks way better with her hair down.

I think Microsoft bought Rare, not knowing what direction their playerbase was going. I remember they tried really hard to push Mascots other than Master Chief for a while then gave up.

I think the story behind Microsoft buying Rare was that they assumed they would own donkey Kong after buying Rare since they made the best donkey Kong games.

That was rather awkward.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait, what’s this about MvCI being based on the MCU? I never wanted to play it (due to the lack of a certain attorney) but looking up the roster, yes, some of the characters do seem like they were added for the MCU (Thanos, Ultron) but others (Ghost Rider, Nova) were clearly not. Plus, none of the characters even look like their MCU counterparts. They’re all just based on their comic appearances.
Am I missing something here?

Ghost Rider and Nova weren't newcomers. The more realistic artstyle, removal of most nonMCU Marvel characters, music direction and the major focus on Infinity Stones are why people highly believe it to be MCU focused

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Disagree. Unless they fully embrace it they won’t convince me.

Disagree that some of their games have deep stories, or disagree that they would make a good MK?

 

[Metal Shop X]

It's been down all day. The twitter says that their servers crashed and they're working on getting them back up.

'been down after lunch for me, and that stink, TvTrope is my lifeblood.

...but that's OK! I don't need it anyway....I don't need it....I don't need it....

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Ghost Rider and Nova weren't newcomers. The more realistic artstyle, removal of most nonMCU Marvel characters, music direction and the major focus on Infinity Stones are why people highly believe it to be MCU focused

Not to mention Thanos and Ultron being the spotlight Marvel baddies.

 

[snowgolem]

Ghost Rider and Nova weren't newcomers. The more realistic artstyle, removal of most nonMCU Marvel characters, music direction and the major focus on Infinity Stones are why people highly believe it to be MCU focused

I forgot about the story. Yeah, that makes more sense now.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Ghost Rider and Nova weren't newcomers. The more realistic artstyle, removal of most nonMCU Marvel characters, music direction and the major focus on Infinity Stones are why people highly believe it to be MCU focused

It Is kinda obvious that the game was only made to be a tie in game to infinity war. Hence all the connections to the movie.

Like how both the game and the movie push Captain Marvel as being the main hero.

 

[Schnee117]

The one good takeaway from MvCI is that Thanos got the Satsui No Hado.
That and they were planning on Kamala and Asura for season 2.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

It Is kinda obvious that the game was only made to be a tie in game to infinity war. Hence all the connections to the movie.

Like how both the game and the movie push Captain Marvel as being the main hero.

The movie's marketing you mean.

In the movie itself, her role could have been taken by Howard the Duck starting a space-towing service and the plot would have been the same.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Disagree that some of their games have deep stories, or disagree that they would make a good MK?

Both

 

[Hadokeyblade]

The one good takeaway from MvCI is that Thanos got the Satsui No Hado.

Yeah that **** was actually pretty cool.

 

[zeldasmash]

I think it's telling that there's not a single positive anyone can say about Infinite's artstyle. Dropping some of the most iconic themes for 'muh cinematic music'. The one thing I occaisonally see get defended is Hawkeye having his MCU look when it's literally his Ultimate Marvel Comics design and not the MCU one

Actually, Dr. Strange's Theme and Black Panther's Theme aren't too bad at all. Everyone else's...either disappointing or just mediocre (Dante's Theme and Sigma's Theme....woof). Yet strangely, Spider-Man and Captain America's classic themes are in the game as the credits music and they sound legit good....MvC:I is freaking weird, man.

From an artistic standpoint, it's a step down in every regard from UMvC3 (Venom looks bloody fantastic, though...). I think Hawkeye's design can stay what it is from MvC:I but from an art style perspective, stick with UMvC3's and improve upon it. However, I will say that a lot of it's alternate costumes are pretty badass and a lot of them should come back (as unlockables Capcom...).

Yeah that **** was actually pretty cool.

Yes it is cool that Thanos has the Satsui no Hado. It's a shame that nothing came from it unless they somehow want to continue the story from MvC:I (Thanos vs Akuma would be so sweet to see). The cliffhanger was pretty cool, though. Thanos was easily the best character in the story.

 

[ColietheGoalie]

Yes because when people think of the great gaming stories they think of Metal Gear Solid and Mario Odyssey. Breath of the Wild and FFVII are always in the same breath. Persona 5 and Pokémon Sword and Shield are master classes in narrative.

A) You’re purposely picking shallower series and ignoring stuff like Fire Emblem or Xenoblade that have beloved plots.
B) Final Fantasy literally started as a Nintendo franchise. The first Metal Gear was on the NES. So the franchises you hold up as bastions of story-telling started with Nintendo. Doesn’t that kind of shoot a lot of holes in this argument?

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

Seeing all this Marvel talk provoked me into finding this hilarious comic:

Spoiler

 

[Megadoomer]

Wait, what’s this about MvCI being based on the MCU? I never wanted to play it (due to the lack of a certain attorney) but looking up the roster, yes, some of the characters do seem like they were added for the MCU (Thanos, Ultron) but others (Ghost Rider, Nova) were clearly not. Plus, none of the characters even look like their MCU counterparts. They’re all just based on their comic appearances.
Am I missing something here?

The roster choices pretty much uniformly seem to be based on the MCU from the Marvel side. There are a handful of exceptions (Nova, Ghost Rider, Venom), but the Nova Corps. are supporting characters in Guardians of the Galaxy, Ghost Rider is in Agents of SHIELD, and I think the Venom movie was coming out soon when he was added as DLC.

Compare that to the Marvel characters cut between Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and this - Iron Fist, Shuma Gorath, She-Hulk, MODOK, Deadpool, Doctor Doom, Wolverine, Phoenix, Storm, Magneto, Sentinel, X-23, Taskmaster, Super Skrull - and it seems clear that they're going for as much MCU synergy as possible.