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[Shroob]

Okay before I get a copyright notice from Scott, I'm gonna go ahead and slip into to my bed, now.

If Matpat can slip by for what, 6 years, you'll be fine.

 

[Aurane]

If Matpat can slip by for what, 6 years, you'll be fine.

Matpat isn't real, so that doesn't count.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

What a morning. The day is already off to a strange start, I just had a discussion about FNAF on Smashboards At 3:AM wow I’m sleep deprived

 

[Shroob]

What a morning. The day is already off to a strange start, I just had a discussion about FNAF on Smashboards At 3:AM wow I’m sleep deprived

"Guh, it's 3 o'clock in the morning, why on Earth are you discussing FNaF lore on Smashboards.com?"

"Because I've lost control of my life."

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

"Because I've lost control of my life."

I thought we already established that I lost control years ago.

 

[Aurane]

God damn it, @Taylor F.

 

[Deleted member]

Popular theory is that he’s one of the employees who died by springlocks suits that are mentioned in FNAF 3, though I find that unlikely given how he behaves in AR, so you can make of that what you will.

But to be honest, I think everyone’s just forgot about the shadows at this point. lol

God damn it, @Taylor F.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Popular theory is that he’s one of the employees who died by springlocks suits that are mentioned in FNAF 3, though I find that unlikely given how he behaves in AR, so you can make of that what you will.

I think that’s outdated now, right? Last time I heard that was a video from years ago. I dunno, fill me in

 

[Zinith]

Why does this all come across like that American Chopper meme?

 

[Deleted member]

I think that’s outdated now, right? Last time I heard that was a video from years ago. I dunno, fill me in

Yah, but nothing ever actually debunked it. lol

Why am I typing this, you’re right next to me.

Speaking is for the weak.

 

[ZephyrZ]

In regards to current events in the Smash Community, there's going to be a lot of rumors and misinformation flying around. That's what happens when emotional topics like this come up.

Remember not to get carried away and assume someone is innocent despite the evidence because they're your favorite player. But also remember the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" - take these situations seriously, but don't assume that every allegation is always true when the evidence isn't there or it points otherwise.

Humans are not rational beings, and what our guts tell us is not always the truth. That's all I have to say for now. I'm not here to defend or accuse anyone of anything right now.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

In regards to current events in the Smash Community, there's going to be a lot of rumors and misinformation flying around. That's what happens when emotional topics like this come up.

Remember not to get carried away and assume someone is innocent despite the evidence because they're your favorite player. But also remember the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" - take these situations seriously, but don't assume that every allegation is always true when the evidence isn't there or it points otherwise.

Humans are not rational beings, and what our guts tell us is not always the truth. That's all I have to say for now. I'm not here to defend or accuse anyone of anything right now.

I stand by this 100 percent.



That said... Nairo seems to be 100 percent guilty. I'm actually mad about it. I didn't think he was that kind of guy.

 

[Deleted member]

I stand by this 100 percent.



That said... Nairo seems to be 100 percent guilty. I'm actually mad about it. I didn't think he was that kind of guy.

Yeah...

I woke up today to find out Nairo, who was one of my favorite smash players, doing such a thing.

It's actually depressing tbh

 

[Cutie Gwen]

In regards to current events in the Smash Community, there's going to be a lot of rumors and misinformation flying around. That's what happens when emotional topics like this come up.

Remember not to get carried away and assume someone is innocent despite the evidence because they're your favorite player. But also remember the concept of "innocent until proven guilty" - take these situations seriously, but don't assume that every allegation is always true when the evidence isn't there or it points otherwise.

Humans are not rational beings, and what our guts tell us is not always the truth. That's all I have to say for now. I'm not here to defend or accuse anyone of anything right now.

I get that but in my experience, innocent until proven guilty only ever applies to the accused, the people who use this notion always assume the accuser is lying, meaning they're guilty until proven otherwise. In the case of Cinnpie, there's plenty of video evidence of her being touchy-feely to Puppeh, when they were both 24 and 14 respectively. Hell, Cinnpie's twitter said "believe victims" until Puppeh spoke out

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It seems that D1 has been accused as well.

It never ends.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It seems that D1 has been accused as well.

It never ends.

What's the list at this rate? D1, Cinnpie, GimR, Nairo, Jtails, MrWiz and AceAttorney are all I remember off the top of my head. Sadly my first three examples aren't even new, heard stuff about them a while ago

 

[Shroob]

It seems that D1 has been accused as well.

It never ends.

....well....


Uhh......


.....Banned?

 

[Zinith]

I get that but in my experience, innocent until proven guilty only ever applies to the accused, the people who use this notion always assume the accuser is lying, meaning they're guilty until proven otherwise. In the case of Cinnpie, there's plenty of video evidence of her being touchy-feely to Puppeh, when they were both 24 and 14 respectively. Hell, Cinnpie's twitter said "believe victims" until Puppeh spoke out

Yeah, "innocent until proven guilty" DOES apply to the accused.

Because the burden of proof is not on them

 

[Metal Shop X]

I want to get off the 2020 ride, I never wanted to be part of it but today is just too much at once.

 

[Shroob]

I get that but in my experience, innocent until proven guilty only ever applies to the accused, the people who use this notion always assume the accuser is lying, meaning they're guilty until proven otherwise. In the case of Cinnpie, there's plenty of video evidence of her being touchy-feely to Puppeh, when they were both 24 and 14 respectively. Hell, Cinnpie's twitter said "believe victims" until Puppeh spoke out

I don't, but I absolutely want to hear both sides of the story.

When there's mountains of evidence on one side that clearly points to a specific side being the offending party, then yeah, they did it, but when there's very little to go off of otherwise, I want both sides of a story before I make judgement.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What's the list at this rate? D1, Cinnpie, GimR, Nairo, Jtails, MrWiz and AceAttorney are all I remember off the top of my head. Sadly my first three examples aren't even new, heard stuff about them a while ago

GimR seems to have been a misunderstanding and he was able to show receipts.

The others so far seem pretty guilty, but if they have proof of innocence I'd love to see it.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, "innocent until proven guilty" DOES apply to the accused.

Because the burden of proof is not on them

What proof is needed, video evidence? Because 1: we already had that for Cinnpie being inappropriate with a 14 year old during tournament streams yet she's only now getting blasted and 2: that means everyone would constantly need to have a camera rolling at all times. People who say this never realize how hard it is to actually prove stuff, especially for kids, I didn't realize I was being groomed on this site by Neo Zero until like 4 years after the fact cause I was a ****ing kid

I don't, but I absolutely want to hear both sides of the story.

When there's mountains of evidence on one side that clearly points to a specific side being the offending party, then yeah, they did it, but when there's very little to go off of otherwise, I want both sides of a story before I make judgement.

Then you're an exception, I vividly remember the people using that to defend Hyuga not want to hear anything from Vikki, same with Ally and Captain Zack, same with Vic Mignogna and Monica Real, same with ProJared and Heidi, same with RelaxAlax and his exgirlfriend who's name escapes me, etc

 

[Shroob]

What proof is needed, video evidence? Because 1: we already had that for Cinnpie being inappropriate with a 14 year old during tournament streams yet she's only now getting blasted and 2: that means everyone would constantly need to have a camera rolling at all times. People who say this never realize how hard it is to actually prove stuff, especially for kids, I didn't realize I was being groomed on this site by Neo Zero until like 4 years after the fact cause I was a ****ing kid

Then you're an exception, I vividly remember the people using that to defend Hyuga not want to hear anything from Vikki, same with Ally and Captain Zack, same with Vic Mignogna and Monica Real, same with ProJared and Heidi, same with RelaxAlax and his exgirlfriend who's name escapes me, etc

I don't think I'm the exception as much as I just understand that a good legal system lets the accuser and the accused stand trial and tell both sides of their stories.

 

[Zinith]

What proof is needed, video evidence? Because 1: we already had that for Cinnpie being inappropriate with a 14 year old during tournament streams yet she's only now getting blasted and 2: that means everyone would constantly need to have a camera rolling at all times. People who say this never realize how hard it is to actually prove stuff, especially for kids, I didn't realize I was being groomed on this site by Neo Zero until like 4 years after the fact cause I was a ****ing kid

Reliable witnesses would be the alternative and it would need to be held in a court case. It's never gonna be a perfect system, but having the burden of proof not on the accused is both the legal and moral standard. And don't think I'm rooting for "ma boi Nairo," honestly I couldn't care less if he was found guilty, but it's the standard I will always default on

 

[Speed Weed]

oh my ****ing god the guy who runs evo got outed

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Innocent until proven guilty is a basic human right.

You don't want to see what life is like without it. We get totalitarian governments and fascist states.

Is the system perfect? Heck no, but I think "innocent until proven guilty" saves more innocent people than anything else. We can believe victims and treat accusations seriously while still believing in "innocent until proven guilty."

 

[Shroob]

Innocent until proven guilty is a basic human right.

You don't want to see what life is like without it. We get totalitarian governments and fascist states.

Is the system perfect? Heck no, but I think "innocent until proven guilty" saves more innocent people than anything else. We can believe victims and treat accusations seriously while still believing in "innocent until proven guilty."

*Points* "He kicked my dog."

"Eh, I didn't do anyt---"

"Hang him."

*Gurk*

 

[Swamp Sensei]

oh my ****ing god the guy who runs evo got outed

Dude has had rumors about sketchy behavior going around for years.

It's one of the accusations that doesn't really surprise me.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Reliable witnesses would be the alternative and it would need to be held in a court case. It's never gonna be a perfect system, but having the burden of proof not on the accused is both the legal and moral standard. And don't think I'm rooting for "ma boi Nairo," honestly I couldn't care less if he was found guilty, but it's the standard I will always default on

At the same time this has happened before. We've had times with witnesses. We have cases of court trials where the accused is proven guilty but never had to suffer consequences. Roman Polanski still gets awards for his healthy film career despite admitting he ***** a 14 year old and never spent a single day in jail

 

[Shroob]

At the same time this has happened before. We've had times with witnesses. We have cases of court trials where the accused is proven guilty but never had to suffer consequences. Roman Polanski still gets awards for his healthy film career despite admitting he ***** a 14 year old and never spent a single day in jail

It ain't a perfect system
And if you got money, you're pretty much above the law until you mess with the banks and their precious money


But I'd rather live in a world where everyone's allowed a fair trial than not tbh.

 

[Alicorn]

So someone got ousted? Mind giving me a cliffs note version?

 

[Shroob]

So someone got ousted? Mind giving me a cliffs note version?

More like at least seven or 8 someones.

 

[Alicorn]

So what happened? This sounds pretty interesting.

 

[Shroob]

So what happened? This sounds pretty interesting.

Some people got outed for pedophilia
Others got outed for other ****.


Pretty much the front page of the Smashbros subreddit will tell you everything by just reading the thread titles and nothing more.

 

[Alicorn]

ok I'll check it out.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

At the same time this has happened before. We've had times with witnesses. We have cases of court trials where the accused is proven guilty but never had to suffer consequences. Roman Polanski still gets awards for his healthy film career despite admitting he ***** a 14 year old and never spent a single day in jail

Gwen, I'm gonna be vulnerable with you for a second.

We're opposite sides of the same coin here.

You are concerned for all the victims who are not believed. I respect that and think it comes from a place of genuine care and empathy. You are scared that no one believes them.

My family had to deal with false accusations and even when we had proof that my father was innocent (he had a huge number of alibis) and avoided getting him incarcerated, people still thought he was guilty. No one believed him. I'm a little more staunch about this than most because of the pain my family has endured.

It's not an issue of believing one side or the other. It's an issue of justice not being done. Whether its people paying off juries or twitter mobs, we as a people aren't naturally just. We don't try and find the truth. If the truth is hard to find, we give up and form early conclusions.

That's why looking for evidence is so important. Evidence allows us to finally be objective. I know not everyone will accept all evidence, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Maybe tournaments getting cancel left & right was actually a good thing in hindsight.

Still, right after Min-Min was release & lots of cool buffs for the rest of the casts?

Nairo of all freakin' peoples? One of Ultimate most popular players?

I really hope Nintendo doesn't pay too much attention, otherwise, I fear the worst.

Also, while law ain't flawless, far from it, I still prefer to have as much evidence as possible before giving the guilty verdict to someone. Most of the peoples who been accused seem to be rightfully horrible peoples atm, but I still fear that some of them might be innocent and yet get treated like crap like the rest of them. Not thinking of anyone in particular, but just the thought of it make me worried.

 

[Shroob]

Gwen, I'm gonna be vulnerable with you for a second.

We're opposite sides of the same coin here.

You are concerned for all the victims who are not believed. I respect that and think it comes from a place of genuine care and empathy. You are scared that no one believes them.

My family had to deal with false accusations and even when we had proof that my father was innocent (he had a huge number of alibis) and avoided getting him incarcerated, people still thought he was guilty. No one believed him. I'm a little more staunch about this than most because of the pain my family has endured.

It's not an issue of believing one side or the other. It's an issue of justice not being done. Whether its people paying off juries or twitter mobs, we as a people aren't naturally just. We don't try and find the truth. If the truth is hard to find, we give up and form early conclusions.

That's why looking for evidence is so important. Evidence allows us to finally be objective. I know not everyone will accept all evidence, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

To be honest, as dumb as it sounds, **** like this is why I keep to myself and stay the hell away from large social groups, both online and irl.


If someone were to come online tomorrow, and accuse me of doing **** to them... how the hell could I prove my innocence? I could provide as much evidence to the staff as possible, but if they rile up the Twitter machine, it'd be one me versus an infinite mob. I wouldn't even stand a chance despite not doing a damn thing, and would people even care if I were innocent?


In a court of law, the accused and the accuser get to have their time at the stand, the defense and the prosecution. Is the system flawed? Sure, but I'll take it over the alternative.

 

[Alicorn]

I'm siding with the Zack here.

I been in his position and the way he is reacting to it is very familiar to me.

 

[Lamperouge]

I'm not personally attached to many pro Smash players but D1 being accused of the big R is pretty depressing.

This **** is nuts.