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[osby]

You just don’t understand. And I don’t think I can get you to understand because I’ve explained it every possible way I can think of. UMvC3’s roster was passable. Sure, there was lots of variety but so many icons and important characters were left out that it feels silly. Infinite does a good job at covering some of those bases, but other basic icons were left out. There is a way to do all of it. To have variety and to cover all your bases. But MvC has never done that. So they don’t get the freedom to experiment yet. Not until they finally deliver a good “Marvel vs. Capcom” game that faithfully represents both companies to the best of their abilities and delivers on all the basics. Then the weird guys can come back. Then they can experiment.

That's an entirely arbitrary standard to have. Who even decided which characters are the "basics"? Also, gatekeeping all the unconventional characters seems a pretty bad way to give developers creative liberty.

Imagine Smash excluding and more just because we didn't have K.Rool yet.

 

[Shroob]

I had to sneak them in there because I’m a DC fan. And you’re right. No Marvel game had gotten it right yet. They all miss the mark to some degree. But I think Infinite does a better job at covering the basics then any title before it. Which is what they should have done in the first place.

You know how I would have done for Marvel 1 in arcades? Take the headliners of all their major series, add in some if their villains. And boom, there you go. Then with 2 you expand to have even more, basically the first game but bigger. And then by the third you start experimenting. Throwing in some more obscure characters and the like. Sound familiar? Because I’m describing Smash!

I need to go to sleep.

Namor, Captain America, and the original Human Torch were Marvel’s first three. Their big three in the golden age. They gotta respect their history.

And two of the three have actually become famous, at least the Fantastic Four's human torch... can't say the same for Namor.


To be blunt, Namor would be along the likes of Super Skrull or MODOK if he had been added in 3, a character basically no one would recognize.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

That's an entirely arbitrary standard to have. Who even decided which characters are the "basics"? Also, gatekeeping all the unconventional characters seems a pretty bad way to give developers creative liberty.

Imagine Smash excluding and more just because we didn't have K.Rool yet.

when I buy a Marvel game I want it to be a Marvel game. I want to recognize who’s their and for all of my wishes to be “it would be cool if they did this” and not “I can’t believe they forgot that!”

 

[Shroob]

when I buy a Marvel game I want it to be a Marvel game. I want to recognize who’s their and for all of my wishes to be “it would be cool if they did this” and not “I can’t believe they forgot that!”

Those standards are just way to high.

Even Ultimate Alliance 3, with its massive roster, forgets some things, and that roster is huge. You're basically saying "It's not good enough unless I handpick the roster myself!"

 

[ZephyrZ]

Ahem, if I might chime in as someone who actually hasn't played MvC (although I'd like to)?

You just don’t understand. And I don’t think I can get you to understand because I’ve explained it every possible way I can think of. UMvC3’s roster was passable. Sure, there was lots of variety but so many icons and important characters were left out that it feels silly. Infinite does a good job at covering some of those bases, but other basic icons were left out. There is a way to do all of it. To have variety and to cover all your bases. But MvC has never done that. So they don’t get the freedom to experiment yet. Not until they finally deliver a good “Marvel vs. Capcom” game that faithfully represents both companies to the best of their abilities and delivers on all the basics. Then the weird guys can come back. Then they can experiment.

Covering bases is important for a fighting game, but diversity is arguably even more important. You want to appeal to a lot of different players with different play styles, and give them characters they can use to express themselves.

Even back in Melee before we had Wario or a second Kirby rep, we had Mr.Game&Watch who still has a niche but devoted player base to this day. For some people, the quirky, unorthodox picks are who resonate with them most. Then there's Captain Falcon, a character who's identity is in a way more synonymous with Smash then with F-Zero because of how much people love his flashy, aggressive moveset.

Having unexpected or dare I say "silly" picks are part of what helps give games like these life.

You know how I would have done for Marvel 1 in arcades? Take the headliners of all their major series, add in some if their villains. And boom, there you go. Then with 2 you expand to have even more, basically the first game but bigger. And then by the third you start experimenting. Throwing in some more obscure characters and the like. Sound familiar? Because I’m describing Smash!

Smash has had niche characters from the start. Heck, I'd say Ness and Captain Falcon are probably better known from Smash then their own home series. It's how I learned about them, at least.

 

[Zinith]

...................................

Can't it be both?

 

[osby]

I had to sneak them in there because I’m a DC fan. And you’re right. No Marvel game had gotten it right yet. They all miss the mark to some degree. But I think Infinite does a better job at covering the basics then any title before it. Which is what they should have done in the first place.

You know you are not the single authority on what MVC "should" do with its roster, right? You're entitled to have your opinion and a wide majority is allowed to disagree. Infinite utterly failed at satisfying X-Men fans which make up a huge part of Marvel fanbase.

You know how I would have done for Marvel 1 in arcades? Take the headliners of all their major series, add in some if their villains. And boom, there you go. Then with 2 you expand to have even more, basically the first game but bigger. And then by the third you start experimenting. Throwing in some more obscure characters and the like. Sound familiar? Because I’m describing Smash!

You're not describing Smash at all. 64 had no villains and Melee was already experimenting with weird picks like Ice Climbers and Roy.

 

[Knight Dude]

You say this, but then you yourself are pulling out hyper obscure characters like Squadron Supreme and Namor.


Like, I know Namor has historical significance but..... Namor. I feel like if you showed a picture of him to most people, they'd think he's Aquaman. THAT is an obscure character to anyone who's not a super comic book nerd.

I wouldn't call Namor super obscure. Getting mad that the Squadron Supreme weren't in is a pull tho.

Like, none of y'all thought about my ***** Blade? Really?

I had to sneak them in there because I’m a DC fan. And you’re right. No Marvel game had gotten it right yet. They all miss the mark to some degree. But I think Infinite does a better job at covering the basics then any title before it. Which is what they should have done in the first place.

You know how I would have done for Marvel 1 in arcades? Take the headliners of all their major series, add in some if their villains. And boom, there you go. Then with 2 you expand to have even more, basically the first game but bigger. And then by the third you start experimenting. Throwing in some more obscure characters and the like. Sound familiar? Because I’m describing Smash!

I need to go to sleep.

Namor, Captain America, and the original Human Torch were Marvel’s first three. Their big three in the golden age. They gotta respect their history.

Marvel 1 already did most of what you're describing. Half that roster still has to be Capcom. Like, sure if you had a few more spaces, Storm, Magneto, Dr.Doom, Thor and Ultron could have made it even better, but what they did was more than solid. The only outlier would be Gambit and he's still well known. Marvel 1's roster is still less than 20 characters not counting secret additions, which were mostly bonus color swaps for fun.

Spider-Man: Main Mascot
Venom: Villain
Wolverine: 2nd most popular hero
Captain America: Popular Golden Age hero.
Hulk: Main Big Dude
War Machine: Used for rights issues instead of Iron Man.

EDIT: I would also say UMVC3 did a better job at the basics than Infinite, as it also had more core Avengers than the previous titles before it. Really the only glaring omission from the older cast to me is Venom.

 

[Shroob]

I mean


Ultimate's a great game.


Is it sucky that it's missing characters like Dixie Kong, Waluigi, and Bandanna Waddle Dee? Sure.


Doesn't mean the roster isn't good.

 

[Zinith]

If you read those older Timely comics, Namor was actually one of the first anti-heroes whose initial goal was to fight humanity

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Good night. This is going nowhere. I can’t convince you that what I’m saying makes sense so no point in dwelling on it. I hope you all get another MvC and it’s all X-Men and characters who have never been in movies. I wish you all nothing but open worlds and RPGs.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Good night. This is going nowhere. I can’t convince you that what I’m saying makes sense so no point in dwelling on it. I hope you all get another MvC and it’s all X-Men and characters who have never been in movies. I wish you all nothing but open worlds and RPGs.

Can't you just end an argument peacefully with "agree to disagree" or something instead of intentionally misrepresenting the opposing argument with hyperbole and completely unrelated points?

No one is arguing that the game should only be X-men and you know it.

 

[Knight Dude]

Good night. This is going nowhere. I can’t convince you that what I’m saying makes sense so no point in dwelling on it. I hope you all get another MvC and it’s all X-Men and characters who have never been in movies. I hope you all nothing but open worlds and RPGs.

See, I try my best to be civil and you keep acting like a whiny brat about everything. I'll admit I was far from perfect in doing so. Worst that I did was joke that I can't respect people who don't like Nova.

What's so hard to understand people like the X-Men and hated that Infinite got rid of the entire franchise? That, like the Avengers, it's a popular series. That Dr. Doom's one of the biggest Marvel Villains and people are annoyed he's not there. No one's saying the Avengers cast should be gone. Cap, Iron Man and Hulk as are iconic as Wolverine and Storm, that was my point.

I mention characters I'd like to see outside of the X-Men and that got glossed over like 4 times. Hell, I even agree that Thor, Black Panther, Ultron and Dr. Strange should have been in way earlier. That Daredevil and 90% of the Spider-Man series has been sandbagged too long.

You wonder why you keep getting into conversations like this with multiple people? It's because you refuse to see another person's perspective. And every time, you make some snide little comment.

But when people call you out on acting a fool, you play the woe is me card or leave with a fit. And I honestly and truly can't respect that.

 

[Deleted member]

In the end I managed to sleep.

Still can't believe my boy Alex Kidd is back doh, holy ****.

 

[osby]

In the end I managed to sleep.

Still can't believe my boy Alex Kidd is back doh, holy ****.

First Sakura Wars, then Streets of Rage, and now this. SEGA's been knocking it out of the park lately and I'm all for it.

 

[Deleted member]

First Sakura Wars, then Streets of Rage, and now this. SEGA's been knocking it out of the park lately and I'm all for it.

Indeed!!

Hopefully they keep selling well so we get more!!!

 

[Knight Dude]

First Sakura Wars, then Streets of Rage, and now this. SEGA's been knocking it out of the park lately and I'm all for it.

It's only a matter of time until Vector Man 3 Baaaaaaaaybeeeeeeee.

 

[Zinith]

Did movie licensing actually matter when Infinite came out? At least in a definitive legal way? Because it seems to me more of a backroom politics sort of situation. "Oh, you could add X-Men, but......... I'd advise against it."

That's not exactly as flattering as a simple legal matter, so "characters as functions" it is

 

[SnakeFighter64]

See, I try my best to be civil and you keep acting like a whiny brat about everything. I'll admit I was far from perfect in doing so. Worst that I did was joke that I can't respect people who don't like Nova.

What's so hard to understand people like the X-Men and hated that Infinite got rid of the entire franchise? That, like the Avengers, it's a popular series. That Dr. Doom's one of the biggest Marvel Villains and people are annoyed he's not there. No one's saying the Avengers cast should be gone. Cap, Iron Man and Hulk as are iconic as Wolverine and Storm, that was my point.

I mention characters I'd like to see outside of the X-Men and that got glossed over like 4 times. Hell, I even agree that Thor, Black Panther, Ultron and Dr. Strange should have been in way earlier. That Daredevil and 90% of the Spider-Man series has been sandbagged too long.

You wonder why you keep getting into conversations like this with multiple people? It's because you refuse to see another person's perspective. And every time, you make some snide little comment.

But when people call you out on acting a fool, you play the woe is me card or leave with a fit. And I honestly and truly can't respect that.

Well. Congrats on making a post that I can’t respond to in any way without making myself look worse.

You can’t condemn me for trying to explain myself. That’s just ridiculous. I’m not some supervillain.

I’m going to sleep.

Can't you just end an argument peacefully with "agree to disagree" or something instead of intentionally misrepresenting the opposing argument with hyperbole and completely unrelated points?

No one is arguing that the game should only be X-men and you know it.

Sure. I’ll back down.

But it’s still disheartening to know that if I do what would creatively satisfy me and I would find fun I will fail in the industry

 

[Knight Dude]

Well. Congrats on making a post that I can’t respond to in any way without making myself look worse.

You can’t condemn me for trying to explain myself. That’s just ridiculous. I’m not some supervillain.

I’m going to sleep.

Sure. I’ll back down.

But it’s still disheartening to know that if I do what would creatively satisfy me and I would find fun I will fail in the industry

No said you were a supervillain. No one said you said couldn't explain yourself. You want MVC to be as balanced as it can be. I get that.

I'm really not trying to be rude. But this is the behavior I'm talking about. Last thing you did was insult people before you were about to leave.

 

[osby]

But it’s still disheartening to know that if I do what would creatively satisfy me and I would find fun I will fail in the industry

Not really, you just need to learn how to compromise. No good entertainment only appeals to its creators. You need to think about your audience while still adding your own creativity to your product. It's all about balance.

Accusing people of hating everything you enjoy just because they disagreed with you? That will cause you to fail in any industry because nobody would want to work with you.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Morning people.

I was unfortunately woken up by my brother shouting on FIFA.

So I'm gonna climb up a hill today.

 

[Aurane]

>tries out Outer Worlds for first time
>*later*
>meets a robot
>mission wants it dead
>I shoot it
>it turns around, with only a small portion of its health missing
>it attacks, and my health nearly cuts in half
>me

 

[Lamperouge]

It's only a matter of time until Vector Man 3 Baaaaaaaaybeeeeeeee.

I'll only accept a Vectorman 3 if it comes loaded with epilepsy every time you break an item monitor, just like in the previous games.

All jokes aside, I wouldn't mind seeing that 3D Vectorman project resurface at some point.

 

[Knight Dude]

I'll only accept a Vectorman 3 if it comes loaded with epilepsy every time you break an item monitor, just like in the previous games.

All jokes aside, I wouldn't mind seeing that 3D Vectorman project resurface at some point.

PS2 Era action platformers are something else. Would have liked to see it come out too.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

But it’s still disheartening to know that if I do what would creatively satisfy me and I would find fun I will fail in the industry

If I called the shots in Smash Bros., and only included who I wanted, it would automatically be unsatisfactory because I included only who I wanted. Sure, I could maybe throw some oddballs in there that I personally want for variety, (Like Piranha Plant I suppose) but at the end of the day, you need to appeal to your audience. A game can’t have everything. They have limits and deadlines to meet. If you only look at a game for what it doesn’t have, then of course you won’t like the roster. Every roster is flawed. There is no “perfect roster”. Yeah, a roster may be missing a few favorites, but it’s also good to look at what it does have, and what else the team has achieved. While you may not like a roster, it may be someone else’s dream roster. The audience is never you. Games have to appeal to lots of different people. If you’re going into things assuming that it’ll have what you want, then of course you’ll be disappointed.

Good night. This is going nowhere. I can’t convince you that what I’m saying makes sense so no point in dwelling on it. I hope you all get another MvC and it’s all X-Men and characters who have never been in movies. I wish you all nothing but open worlds and RPGs.

And when people disagree with you, you don’t need to respond in a negative manner like this. Just suck it up that not everyone is going to agree with you. That doesn’t mean their views are invalid. And you don’t need to convince us that anything makes sense. Everyone has opinions, and you don’t have to try to convince people that yours is right and that theirs is wrong. So, let’s just agree to disagree here.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

>tries out Outer Worlds for first time
>*later*
>meets a robot
>mission wants it dead
>I shoot it
>it turns around, with only a small portion of its health missing
>it attacks, and my health nearly cuts in half
>me

Still a great game though. Partially Fallout for people who don't like Fallout.

 

[Deleted member]

I just remembered that today is the anniversary of one of my three most loved reveals in Smash history!!!!

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

I just remembered that today is the anniversary of one of my three most loved reveals in Smash history!!!!

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We’ve been holding out for a Hero‘s anniversary.

 

[Deleted member]

Accidentally posted this in the E3 thread so reposting it here


Well I guess i don’t have a choice, better make this first post count.


Hi everyone!


OK now that introductions are out of the way HOLY **** SAKURAI I LOVE YOU

Oh yeah, It is also the anniversary of this post lol.

 

[dezeray112]

Talking about dead franchises?

Would love to see Wario Land come back one day. (Shake It was the last game and the series died out in 2008)
(I can just imagine Syrup and Shake King teaming up with Wario and Waluigi as they try to get over their rivalry.)

If there is a franchise that I would like to see come back, I would pick the Darkstalkers series as its been a long while since the last sequel came out and it will certainly offer something different within Capcom's fighting department other than Street Fighter and the Vs Series.

Iirc, he was the CEO who would shoot down stuff like XMEN and Fantastic 4 crossing over in Marvel properties like video games cause he wanted Sony/Fox to give up the rights to the movie licenses iirc. Basically, if I'm remembering it correctly, it was a "Kill via starvation" technique. Make certain franchises less known in the public eye, so when Sony/Fox do make movies on them, there's less general appeal.

If I may also add, I do recall Ike stated that he did not believe films with a diverse cast or female led films are going to sell well which almost prompted Kevin Feige to leave. But since Ike's departure from Marvel Studios, we got films such as Black Panther and Captain Marvel which both did really well in the box office performance.

As I had already stated before, I am interested to see how the X-Men and the Fantastic Four will be integrated within the future of the MCU since Marvel Studios got their rights back and it will be interesting to see who will be casted.

 

[Zinith]

I just remembered that today is the anniversary of one of my three most loved reveals in Smash history!!!!

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Who's the outlier? Goku? Trunks?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

My only issue with Infinite is not just none of the X-Men, which I can understand not all would make it back due to the current characters they want to promote, but no Wolverine. That one is completely inexcusable.

MvC3's issue was the lack of MegaMan. Venom is not as bad of a cut to me, and I main Venom and MegaMan. The reasoning was stupid too. "Cause he has the same moveset as others", which rings hollow after readding Akuma back. It's cool Tron Bonne got in for fan demand too, but MegaMan should've still been there. Venom too(I'd say no one should be cut, though being separated from others is fine. Ryu used to have Ken and Akuma's movesets, but then they got separated). Do note I'm aware Akuma is just as important to the VS series as Wolverine, and I love the guy, so him being back in 3 was still a great thing. But their reasoning was bad. They didn't feel they could update MegaMan(and then eventually uses X, though that was still nice). What they forgot is that X and MegaMan are not only different characters, but they have different abilities. MegaMan has his own niche that X doesn't inherently cover(though to be fair, I haven't played Infinite yet so I don't know how X plays).

 

[Aurane]

Still a great game though. Partially Fallout for people who don't like Fallout.

Oh yeah, definitely. This game is fantastic.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh yeah, It is also the anniversary of this post lol.

Truly a day to remember.

 

[dezeray112]

Well at least Comic-con @ home (which was meant to take place at San Deigo before being cancelled) will still take place on July 22nd to the 26th and its free for all attendees. They say it will still have panels and presentations based upon Comics, Films, TV, Gaming from a variety of publishers and studios.

https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1270782674681032704

 

[Deleted member]

Well at least Comic-con @ home (which was meant to take place at San Deigo before being cancelled) will still take place on July 22nd to the 26th and its free for all attendees. They say it will still have panels and presentations based upon Comics, Films, TV, Gaming from a variety of publishers and studios.

https://twitter.com/colliderfrosty/status/1270782674681032704

Hopefully we see news about that rumoured Batman game by Warner Bros Montreal!!!

 

[Metal Shop X]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Lamperouge , I DID IT, I BEAT THAT ************ ON MY FIRST RETRY! AND I DIDN'T EVEN LEVEL UP OR GOT THE ART I WANTED FROM SHARLA. ALL I NEEDED WERE TWO ANTI-CHILL GEMS I CRAFTED & SOME CHANGE TO MY TREE SKILLS, OTHERWISE, SHULK, REYN & SHARLA DID THE TRICK (THANKS MONADO SHIELD). I'M SO HAPPY I DANCED AFTERWARD AND I CAN'T HELP BUT TYPE LIKE THIS, SORRY IF IT BOTHER.

 

[dezeray112]

Hopefully we see news about that rumoured Batman game by Warner Bros Montreal!!!

Whilst I cannot say much on what games will be revealed there. I do hope there will be a bit more news from Marvel Studios's Phase 4 films and their Disney+ shows to be shown there.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, Lamperouge , I DID IT, I BEAT THAT ************ ON MY FIRST RETRY! AND I DIDN'T EVEN LEVEL UP OR GOT THE ART I WANTED FROM SHARLA. ALL I NEEDED WERE TWO ANTI-CHILL GEMS I CRAFTED & SOME CHANGE TO MY TREE SKILLS, OTHERWISE, SHULK, REYN & SHARLA DID THE TRICK (THANKS MONADO SHIELD). I'M SO HAPPY I DANCED AFTERWARD AND I CAN'T HELP BUT TYPE LIKE THIS, SORRY IF IT BOTHER.

Now that’s a peak gamer pop off.

Jokes aside, I have no idea how difficult that challenge was, but congrats nonetheless!