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[Knight Dude]

I don't know if you guys watch Lythero's streams, cause it seems like Sakurai does, given the pic of the day.

 

[Mamboo07]

Had a blackout 3 times.>_>

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I probably could have handled it better. I'm usually more chill than that. But I don't like it when people get all uppity and/or passive aggressive. But then no one else is allowed express their disappointment in something when they do a lot. I don't even hate MVCI, I just think its disappointing. It does some genuinely cool stuff. Like the shame cube. I really like the shame cube.

So I apologize for being rude.

And you know I usually try my best to stay positive.

Anyway, on the bright side of things, the PS5 stuff is tomorrow. Maybe we'll see what Insomniac is cooking up. Or something from Namco/Capcom.

I admit that I reacted in a bad way in the past. It was a result of untreated depression and ADHD. I’m medicated now and am deeply embarrassed by how I used to act.

And as someone who didn’t really grow up with X-Men, and was never really attached to them to begin with, I actually like Infinite’s roster more then most. I mean, I wish there were way more characters, but removing the X-Men allowed them to focus on different characters who all headline their own titles instead of having to make room for a dozen from one single title.

And beyond that. Inhumans are just really cool. They’re all so bizarre and unconventional in their powers and they have their own society and culture. That’s probably why I like them. Because they’re one of the most “DC” things in Marvel’s lineup.

 

[Shroob]

I admit that I reacted in a bad way in the past. It was a result of untreated depression and ADHD. I’m medicated now and am deeply embarrassed by how I used to act.

And as someone who didn’t really grow up with X-Men, and was never really attached to them to begin with, I actually like Infinite’s roster more then most. I mean, I wish there were way more characters, but removing the X-Men allowed them to focus on different characters who all headline their own titles instead of having to make room for a dozen from one single title.

And beyond that. Inhumans are just really cool. They’re all so bizarre and unconventional in their powers and they have their own society and culture. That’s probably why I like them. Because they’re one of the most “DC” things in Marvel’s lineup.

Still, certain characters are somewhat iconic to the VS series.


You'd be hard pressed to find people who grew up with the series who wouldn't say that them removing characters like Wolverine, Magneto, Sentinel or Dr.Doom from Infinite wasn't a super ****ty move directed solely by corporate greed.

ESPECIALLY Dr.Doom, Mr.FOOTFOOTFOOTDIVE himself.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Still, certain characters are somewhat iconic to the VS series.


You'd be hard pressed to find people who grew up with the series who wouldn't say that them removing characters like Wolverine, Magneto, Sentinel or Dr.Doom from Infinite wasn't a super ****ty move directed solely by corporate greed.

ESPECIALLY Dr.Doom, Mr.FOOTFOOTFOOTDIVE himself.

To be honest. I see that as a flaw with the vs series. There were so many x-men in the past that you can’t now balance its contents properly without upsetting people. It should be Marvel vs. Capcom. Not X-Men and co vs. Capcom. So some definitely should come back, but nowhere near the degree of 2.

 

[Shroob]

To be honest. I see that as a flaw with the vs series. There were so many x-men in the past that you can’t now balance its contents properly without upsetting people. It should be Marvel vs. Capcom. Not X-Men and co vs. Capcom. So some definitely should come back, but nowhere near the degree of 2.

No one's arguing that, but that's where you take the series favorites and cut out the fat. Wolverine, Sentinel, Storm, Magneto and maybe Cyclops and you have a good collection of the fan-favorite characters.

 

[osby]

To be honest. I see that as a flaw with the vs series. There were so many x-men in the past that you can’t now balance its contents properly without upsetting people. It should be Marvel vs. Capcom. Not X-Men and co vs. Capcom. So some definitely should come back, but nowhere near the degree of 2.

Most people were content with how UMVC3 handled the X-Men. It's not like fans want half of the roster to consist of mutants.

Also, let's not pretend Infinite didn't have roster balance problems. Almost the entire Marvel side was Avengers, Guardians of Galaxy, and characters associated with them: No Fantastic Four, no X-Men, hardly any street-level heroes like Defenders or Marvel Knights and even less female characters than its predecessor.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

No one's arguing that, but that's where you take the series favorites and cut out the fat. Wolverine, Sentinel, Storm, Magneto and maybe Cyclops and you have a good collection of the fan-favorite characters.

Also Deadpool. And I here a lot of people talk about Gambit and Psylocke.

Most people were content with how UMVC3 handled the X-Men. It's not like fans want half of the roster to consist of mutants.

Also, let's not pretend Infinite didn't have roster balance problems. Almost the entire Marvel side was Avengers, Guardians of Galaxy, and characters associated with them: No Fantastic Four, no X-Men, hardly any street-level heroes like Defenders or Marvel Knights and even less female characters than its predecessor.

They’re not “avengers characters”. They’re iron man characters and hulk characters and captain America characters etc etc. Thise characters were created to headline their own titles and then later crossed over. Saying they’re all “avengers characters” is like Mario, Link, Samus, and Pikachu being added to.... street fighter.... and calling them all Smash Bros characters. That’s not what they are. Whereas the X-Men characters were all created for one specific series that later spun off into their own books on occasion. Their origin is all within the same series.

 

[Shroob]

Also Deadpool. And I here a lot of people talk about Gambit and Psylocke.


They’re not “avengers characters”. They’re iron man characters and hulk characters and captain America characters etc etc. Thise characters were created to headline their own titles and then later crossed over. Saying they’re all “avengers characters” is like Mario, Link, Samus, and Pikachu being added to.... street fighter.... and calling them all Smash Bros characters. That’s not what they are. Whereas the X-Men characters were all created for one specific series that later spun off into their own books on occasion. Their origin is all within the same series.

You're not wrong, but they were 100% like that because the executives thought "They're the AVENGERS! They're mainstream! They'll sell!"


Infinite's roster reeks of "This is the MCU" with only the most token of extra characters thrown in.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

You're not wrong, but they were 100% like that because the executives thought "They're the AVENGERS! They're mainstream! They'll sell!"


Infinite's roster reeks of "This is the MCU" with only the most token of extra characters thrown in.

I mean.... people like the MCU. What’s wrong with that? And.... those executives aren’t necessarily wrong because of how much merch those characters sell.

Like..... complaining about it being “mostly mcu” is completely ridiculous because up until that point a majority of marvel characters existed somewhere in it.

 

[osby]

They’re not “avengers characters”. They’re iron man characters and hulk characters and captain America characters etc etc. Thise characters were created to headline their own titles and then later crossed over. Saying they’re all “avengers characters” is like Mario, Link, Samus, and Pikachu being added to.... street fighter.... and calling them all Smash Bros characters. That’s not what they are. Whereas the X-Men characters were all created for one specific series that later spun off into their own books on occasion. Their origin is all within the same series.

Your analogy doesn't work as all Marvel characters share a universe, unlike different Nintendo series. Picking a single team and only including characters from it is still being biased. Marvel is a lot bigger than just Avengers but Infinite put them in the center of the universe as MCU did.

Not to mention a significant portion of Avengers were created for that series and a lot of not-MCUAvenger characters also has their own titles.

 

[Shroob]

I mean.... people like the MCU. What’s wrong with that? And.... those executives aren’t necessarily wrong because of how much merch those characters sell.

Like..... complaining about it being “mostly mcu” is completely ridiculous because up until that point a majority of marvel characters existed somewhere in it.

Because we have stuff to compare it to, namely the prior 4 games, which were varied as hell.

Comparing Infinite to UMvsC3, you had weird **** like MODOK, Shuma Gorath, Taskmaster, Super Skrull, Iron Fist.... honest to god I had never even heard of these characters before, but it was exposure to the wider scope of the Marvel universe in large.


Meanwhile, Infinite... you got Ghost Rider and Nova... that's pretty much it, the rest were all extremely safe, "These characters were in recent movies" choices.

 

[Knight Dude]

I mean.... people like the MCU. What’s wrong with that? And.... those executives aren’t necessarily wrong because of how much merch those characters sell.

Like..... complaining about it being “mostly mcu” is completely ridiculous because up until that point a majority of marvel characters existed somewhere in it.

And other people like the X-Men. An ideal MVC roster would probably look more like UMVC3 than it would Infinite or Marvel 2. Hell, MUA3 is damn near perfect aside from needing a couple villains.

 

[osby]

I mean.... people like the MCU. What’s wrong with that? And.... those executives aren’t necessarily wrong because of how much merch those characters sell.

People also like other Marvel products. There's nothing inherently wrong with MCU but focusing on only one demographic is a great way to upset the other fans. Ultimate Alliance 3 did have a focus on the cinematic universe but also made sure it wasn't the only focus so its roster's reception was a lot better.

Like..... complaining about it being “mostly mcu” is completely ridiculous because up until that point a majority of marvel characters existed somewhere in it.

That's blatantly incorrect.

 

[Ben Holt]

What does my roster say about me?
Edit: Fixed

 

[Knight Dude]

The next Marvel game could have **** load of either X-Men or Avengers, that's not the problem for me. I just don't think any franchise should be outright cut. And that there's so many Spider-Man characters they could add.

Hell, Nightcrawler, Ant-Man and Daredevil never got in a MvC title.

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What does my roster say about me.
I also wanted Wario and Bowser, but they wouldn't fit into frame.

That you like mascot characters, but you actively chose to sandbag Simon.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Your analogy doesn't work as all Marvel characters share a universe, unlike different Nintendo series. Picking a single team and only including characters from it is still being biased. Marvel is a lot bigger than just Avengers but Infinite put them in the center of the universe as MCU did.

Not to mention a significant portion of Avengers were created for that series and a lot of not-MCUAvenger characters also has their own titles.

Iron Man debuted in Tales of Suspense #39

Hulk debuted in The Incredible Hulk #1

Thor debuted in Journey into Mystery #83

Captain America and Bucky debuted in Captain America Comics #1

Black Widow debuted in Tales if Suspense #52

Hawkeye debuted in Tales of Suspense #57

Dr. Strange debuted in Strange Tales #110

Spider-Man debuted in Amazing Fantasy #15

Black Panther debuted in Fantastic a Four #52

Captain Marvel debuted in Marvel Superheroes #13

Nova debuted in The Man Called Nova #1

Gamora debuted in Strange Tales #180

Rocket Raccoon debuted in Marvel Preview #7

Ghost Rider debuted in Marvel Spotlight #7

Ultron debuted in The Avengers #54

Thanos debuted in The Invincible Irn Man #54

Dormammu debuted in Strange Tales #126

Venom debuted in The Amazing Spider-Man #300

How many of these are Avengers characters again?

 

[Shroob]

Iron Man debuted in Tales of Suspense #39

Hulk debuted in The Incredible Hulk #1

Thor debuted in Journey into Mystery #83

Captain America and Bucky debuted in Captain America Comics #1

Black Widow debuted in Tales if Suspense #52

Hawkeye debuted in Tales of Suspense #57

Dr. Strange debuted in Strange Tales #110

Spider-Man debuted in Amazing Fantasy #15

Black Panther debuted in Fantastic a Four #52

Captain Marvel debuted in Marvel Superheroes #13

Nova debuted in The Man Called Nova #1

Gamora debuted in Strange Tales #180

Rocket Raccoon debuted in Marvel Preview #7

Ghost Rider debuted in Marvel Spotlight #7

Ultron debuted in The Avengers #54

Thanos debuted in The Invincible Irn Man #54

Dormammu debuted in Strange Tales #126

Venom debuted in The Amazing Spider-Man #300

How many of these are Avengers characters again?

Gonna be real with ya Snake.

How many little Timmys who love super hero movies care about books that came out nearly 80 to 100 years ago at this point?


If you ask kids what Iron Man, Hulk, etc are, they're of course going to say "THE AVENGERS!", they're not going to call them "Oh, they're an Iron Man character", because that's the power of marketing. These characters are "The Avengers" in the eyes of the majority of the public because they've been pushed to be just that, the Avengers.

 

[Ben Holt]

The next Marvel game could have **** load of either X-Men or Avengers, that's not the problem for me. I just don't think any franchise should be outright cut. And that there's so many Spider-Man characters they could add.

Hell, Nightcrawler, Ant-Man and Daredevil never got in a MvC title.



That you like mascot characters, but you actively chose to sandbag Simon.

Simon is my 13th main.
Edit: Literally. Not even saying that to blow smoke up your ass. He would have been my next pick.

 

[osby]

Iron Man debuted in Tales of Suspense #39

Hulk debuted in The Incredible Hulk #1

Thor debuted in Journey into Mystery #83

Captain America and Bucky debuted in Captain America Comics #1

Black Widow debuted in Tales if Suspense #52

Hawkeye debuted in Tales of Suspense #57

Dr. Strange debuted in Strange Tales #110

Spider-Man debuted in Amazing Fantasy #15

Black Panther debuted in Fantastic a Four #52

Captain Marvel debuted in Marvel Superheroes #13

Nova debuted in The Man Called Nova #1

Gamora debuted in Strange Tales #180

Rocket Raccoon debuted in Marvel Preview #7

Ghost Rider debuted in Marvel Spotlight #7

Ultron debuted in The Avengers #54

Thanos debuted in The Invincible Irn Man #54

Dormammu debuted in Strange Tales #126

Venom debuted in The Amazing Spider-Man #300

How many of these are Avengers characters again?

Wolverine debuted in The Incredible Hulk #180 but that doesn't mean he's not an X-Men character.

 

[Ben Holt]

I know nothing about this topic, so I'll just marvel at the conversation.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Because we have stuff to compare it to, namely the prior 4 games, which were varied as hell.

Comparing Infinite to UMvsC3, you had weird **** like MODOK, Shuma Gorath, Taskmaster, Super Skrull, Iron Fist.... honest to god I had never even heard of these characters before, but it was exposure to the wider scope of the Marvel universe in large.


Meanwhile, Infinite... you got Ghost Rider and Nova... that's pretty much it, the rest were all extremely safe, "These characters were in recent movies" choices.

And yet they were icons of Marvel that had somehow not been in the series yet.

We still haven’t had any of Spider-Man’s iconic villains besides Venom. Let alone villains in general. Iconic characters like Daredevil and Punisher still haven’t showed up. They waited till their SEVENTH title to add in iconic Marvel staples like Dr. Strange and Thor. Characters like Spiral and Marrow got in before them. You can’t get weird until you’ve covered the basics. There has never been a MvC game that thoroughly covered the bases. You can’t add Piranha Plant until Bowser has been in your series.

 

[Shroob]

And yet they were icons of Marvel that had somehow not been in the series yet.

We still haven’t had any of Spider-Man’s iconic villains besides Venom. Let alone villains in general. Iconic characters like Daredevil and Punisher still haven’t showed up. They waited till their SEVENTH title to add in iconic Marvel staples like Dr. Strange and Thor. Characters like Spiral and Marrow got in before them. You can’t get weird until you’ve covered the basics. There has never been a MvC game that thoroughly covered the bases. You can’t add Piranha Plant until Bowser has been in your series.

And after said icons came in, they got stripped away for a roster that could be marketed for the broadest appealing public.

Marvel Infinite lacks creativity. Where's the MODOK? Where's the Shuma-Gorath? Why are all the characters just bland, safe picks that had all been in movies in the past ten years that the public would recognize aside from a whopping TWO of them? And even then, Ghost Rider HAD movies(Albeit, not very good ones).

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Gonna be real with ya Snake.

How many little Timmys who love super hero movies care about books that came out nearly 80 to 100 years ago at this point?


If you ask kids what Iron Man, Hulk, etc are, they're of course going to say "THE AVENGERS!", they're not going to call them "Oh, they're an Iron Man character", because that's the power of marketing. These characters are "The Avengers" in the eyes of the majority of the public because they've been pushed to be just that, the Avengers.

You can’t just flip flop like that. Of course marketing doesn’t care about that stuff. The discussion of proper balance and properly representing the world you’re working with is something that only the devs care about for the sake of making a quality product and that fans care about for the sake if it accurately showing the normies what their favorite thing is all about. So are we discussing this as fans? As devs? As corporate execs? Or as a casual audience? Or are you guys just gonna keep flipping from perspective to perspective until I get mad and quit?

 

[Shroob]

You can’t just flip flop like that. Of course marketing doesn’t care about that stuff. The discussion of proper balance and properly representing the world you’re working with is something that only the devs care about for the sake of making a quality product and that fans care about for the sake if it accurately showing the normies what their favorite thing is all about. So are we discussing this as fans? As devs? As corporate execs? Or as a casual audience? Or are you guys just gonna keep flipping from perspective to perspective until I get mad and quit?

I'm not really sure what we're arguing anymore at this point to be honest.


I'm saying Infinite's roster sucks because it plays it too safe, stripping out all the niche and weird characters for characters who are just there because "They were in movies, they'll sell, they're recognizable."


Even though I think UMvsC3 is a mess of a game gameplay-wise, its roster has more creativity and life in it than Infinite could ever hope, if only because it made me actually look at these super obscure and niche characters and make me look up stuff on them. Infinite? Aside from Nova, I knew everyone there because I had seen them all in movies before.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

And after said icons came in, they got stripped away for a roster that could be marketed for the broadest appealing public.

Marvel Infinite lacks creativity. Where's the MODOK? Where's the Shuma-Gorath? Why are all the characters just bland, safe picks that had all been in movies in the past ten years that the public would recognize aside from a whopping TWO of them? And even then, Ghost Rider HAD movies(Albeit, not very good ones).

You didn’t understand the point of what I wrote at all if this is your response. Thor, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ultron, and a version of Captain Marvel should have been in the series long before they made their debuts. But no. The basics could not be covered because we had to make room for metal arm gun guy and yo-yo octopus and captain clone and bone lady and waifish Sheeva.

 

[Shroob]

You didn’t understand the point of what I wrote at all if this is your response. Thor, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ultron, and a version of Captain Marvel should have been in the series long before they made their debuts. But no. The basics could not be covered because we had to make room for metal arm gun guy and yo-yo octopus and captain clone and bone lady and waifish Sheeva.

I don't think anyone's defending Marvel 2's roster here, you know.

Marvel 2 and 1 are just mismash of re-used assets to fit a single game. It's 3 and 3U that people are defending, which was a legitimately good, balanced roster.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I'm not really sure what we're arguing anymore at this point to be honest.


I'm saying Infinite's roster sucks because it plays it too safe, stripping out all the niche and weird characters for characters who are just there because "They were in movies, they'll sell, they're recognizable."


Even though I think UMvsC3 is a mess of a game gameplay-wise, its roster has more creativity and life in it than Infinite could ever hope, if only because it made me actually look at these super obscure and niche characters and make me look up stuff on them. Infinite? Aside from Nova, I knew everyone there because I had seen them all in movies before.

So Smash should have had Nipper Plant, Zelda 2 Thunderbird, Super Metroid Animals, and Bronto Burt before we got Mario, Link, Samus, and Kirby then? Donkey Kong can wait because Kritter would be a way wackier pick!

 

[osby]

You didn’t understand the point of what I wrote at all if this is your response. Thor, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ultron, and a version of Captain Marvel should have been in the series long before they made their debuts. But no. The basics could not be covered because we had to make room for metal arm gun guy and yo-yo octopus and captain clone and bone lady and waifish Sheeva.

I mean, Infinite also does a poor job at "covering the basics" because some of the most popular and important Marvel characters like Fantastic Four, Wolverine, or Daredevil were excluded in favor of Guardians of Galaxy who aren't essential by any means.

 

[Shroob]

So Smash should have had Nipper Plant, Zelda 2 Thunderbird, Super Metroid Animals, and Bronto Burt before we got Mario, Link, Samus, and Kirby then? Donkey Kong can wait because Kritter would be a way wackier pick!

The difference here is those characters were always available from the very beginning, from the very first Smash game, those characters were always available.

And, I mean, we did end up getting those wacky pitacky characters in the end. We have Piranha Plant, it's all about doing it right. Get the basics in, then throw in the weird ****, which is exactly what 3 and Ultimate did.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I don't think anyone's defending Marvel 2's roster here, you know.

Marvel 2 and 1 are just mismash of re-used assets to fit a single game. It's 3 and 3U that people are defending, which was a legitimately good, balanced roster.

No Black Panther, No Captain Marvel, no Daredevil, no Punisher, no Mega Man (even though that one’s not marvel) no Spider-Man villains, no extended rogues gallery of Thor or Hulk or Iron Man or Captain America. No Namor. No Squadron Supreme. No Fantastic Four. But it makes space for Rule 63 Wolverine, bucket head (even in infinite I don’t like Nova) and a man who’s powers are literally copying other characters powers. I don’t see it. You need to make a good Marvel game before you can do all this weird experimenting.

 

[Knight Dude]

I literally just mentioned most of the Spider-Man series alongside Daredevil and Nightcrawler being obvious omissions. Like, not too many people are gonna ask for Spiral unless you're doing "EVERYONE IS HERE...AGAIN". But **** man, you're being willfully ignorant if you think characters like Wolverine and Storm aren't both important and popular. Storm's pretty much Marvel's biggest female hero so her not being there feels weird to me.

For new characters, Carnage, Green Goblin, Mysterio and Blade would all be cool. Maybe Wasp and Scarlet Witch too.


This feels like that one meme of the two dudes yelling inside that office.

You didn’t understand the point of what I wrote at all if this is your response. Thor, Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Ultron, and a version of Captain Marvel should have been in the series long before they made their debuts. But no. The basics could not be covered because we had to make room for metal arm gun guy and yo-yo octopus and captain clone and bone lady and waifish Sheeva.

I don't think any version of Captain Marvel was a major staple of the company at the time, despite the name. Silver Surfer is a better example. Thor, Ultron and Panther? Sure. Black Panther and Ultron were some of my favorite additions to the series so far.

And Cable's a pretty major character.

The reason some of the those characters are even in is because Marvel 2 was primarily an asset dump. It's why we have old ass Darkstalkers sprites, Servbot as his own character instead of MMX or Zero, and why there's so many Street Fighter Alpha characters.

 

[Shroob]

No Black Panther, No Captain Marvel, no Daredevil, no Punisher, no Mega Man (even though that one’s not marvel) no Spider-Man villains, no extended rogues gallery of Thor or Hulk or Iron Man or Captain America. No Namor. No Squadron Supreme. No Fantastic Four. But it makes space for Rule 63 Wolverine, bucket head (even in infinite I don’t like Nova) and a man who’s powers are literally copying other characters powers. I don’t see it. You need to make a good Marvel game before you can do all this weird experimenting.

Can't win 'em all. Even looking at a game like Ultimate:


"No extended Sonic cast?"

"No Phoenix Wright?"

"No Waluigi?"

"No etc etc etc"


In a medium like video games or comic books, and given a certain amount of development time? Yeah, I think 3 and 3U had a fantastic roster. It a ton of iconic characters, it has a good chunk of obscure characters, what you're asking is for a fighting game to have an Ultimate Alliance-type roster, which would basically be close to Marvel 2's roster in terms of size, which just doesn't seem likely.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

The difference here is those characters were always available from the very beginning, from the very first Smash game, those characters were always available.

And, I mean, we did end up getting those wacky pitacky characters in the end. We have Piranha Plant, it's all about doing it right. Get the basics in, then throw in the weird ****, which is exactly what 3 and Ultimate did.

Except it didn’t. Because the basics were not and still to this day have not been covered.

 

[Shroob]

Except it didn’t. Because the basics were not and still to this day have not been covered.

Did it give us the main members of the Avengers?

Did it give us Spiderman?

How about Dr.Strange?

A decent but not overloaded amount of Xmen?


I won't lie, no Black Panther sucks, same with Captain Marvel, but you really cannot win them all. The Fantastic Four is the biggest glaring omission, and as far as I know, the Human Torch was planned to be in, but scrapped in favor of Super Skrull.



Maybe I'm just a bit more lenient than others, but, aside from those 2, yeah, I'd say it's a damn fine roster.

 

[osby]

No Black Panther, No Captain Marvel, no Daredevil, no Punisher, no Mega Man (even though that one’s not marvel) no Spider-Man villains, no extended rogues gallery of Thor or Hulk or Iron Man or Captain America. No Namor. No Squadron Supreme. No Fantastic Four. But it makes space for Rule 63 Wolverine, bucket head (even in infinite I don’t like Nova) and a man who’s powers are literally copying other characters powers. I don’t see it. You need to make a good Marvel game before you can do all this weird experimenting.

Dunking on X-23 to defend Squadron Supreme of all characters is a pretty bad take.

Also, what are we arguing about at this point? By your definition, there is no such thing as a good Marvel game. Weren't you defending Infinite?

 

[Knight Dude]

So Smash should have had Nipper Plant, Zelda 2 Thunderbird, Super Metroid Animals, and Bronto Burt before we got Mario, Link, Samus, and Kirby then? Donkey Kong can wait because Kritter would be a way wackier pick!

Now you're being hyperbolic.

Like, I could say that Mario = Spider-Man, Link = Wolverine, Samus = Storm, DK = Hulk and Kirby = Captain America. Those guys should be staples of the series. No one's saying Spider-Man should make way for Jubilee.

What MVCI did you could compare to taking out the Zelda cast in a Smash title.

No Black Panther, No Captain Marvel, no Daredevil, no Punisher, no Mega Man (even though that one’s not marvel) no Spider-Man villains, no extended rogues gallery of Thor or Hulk or Iron Man or Captain America. No Namor. No Squadron Supreme. No Fantastic Four. But it makes space for Rule 63 Wolverine, bucket head (even in infinite I don’t like Nova) and a man who’s powers are literally copying other characters powers. I don’t see it. You need to make a good Marvel game before you can do all this weird experimenting.

Even at the time of Marvel 3, none of the Captain Marvel incarnations were major players(not in the same way Iron Man is). Super Skrull was added in because they couldn't figure out all FF members right away. And Taskmaster is an Avengers villain, fighting Captain America in particular on a pretty regular basis.

And if you don't like Nova or Taskmaster, we can't be friends honestly.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Can't win 'em all. Even looking at a game like Ultimate:


"No extended Sonic cast?"

"No Phoenix Wright?"

"No Waluigi?"

"No etc etc etc"


In a medium like video games or comic books, and given a certain amount of development time? Yeah, I think 3 and 3U had a fantastic roster. It a ton of iconic characters, it has a good chunk of obscure characters, what you're asking is for a fighting game to have an Ultimate Alliance-type roster, which would basically be close to Marvel 2's roster in terms of size, which just doesn't seem likely.

You just don’t understand. And I don’t think I can get you to understand because I’ve explained it every possible way I can think of. UMvC3’s roster was passable. Sure, there was lots of variety but so many icons and important characters were left out that it feels silly. Infinite does a good job at covering some of those bases, but other basic icons were left out. There is a way to do all of it. To have variety and to cover all your bases. But MvC has never done that. So they don’t get the freedom to experiment yet. Not until they finally deliver a good “Marvel vs. Capcom” game that faithfully represents both companies to the best of their abilities and delivers on all the basics. Then the weird guys can come back. Then they can experiment.

 

[Shroob]

You just don’t understand. And I don’t think I can get you to understand because I’ve explained it every possible way I can think of. UMvC3’s roster was passable. Sure, there was lots of variety but so many icons and important characters were left out that it feels silly. Infinite does a good job at covering some of those bases, but other basic icons were left out. There is a way to do all of it. To have variety and to cover all your bases. But MvC has never done that. So they don’t get the freedom to experiment yet. Not until they finally deliver a good “Marvel vs. Capcom” game that faithfully represents both companies to the best of their abilities and delivers on all the basics. Then the weird guys can come back. Then they can experiment.

You say this, but then you yourself are pulling out hyper obscure characters like Squadron Supreme and Namor.


Like, I know Namor has historical significance but..... Namor. I feel like if you showed a picture of him to most people, they'd think he's Aquaman. THAT is an obscure character to anyone who's not a super comic book nerd.

 

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Dunking on X-23 to defend Squadron Supreme of all characters is a pretty bad take.

Also, what are we arguing about at this point? By your definition, there is no such thing as a good Marvel game. Weren't you defending Infinite?

I had to sneak them in there because I’m a DC fan. And you’re right. No Marvel game had gotten it right yet. They all miss the mark to some degree. But I think Infinite does a better job at covering the basics then any title before it. Which is what they should have done in the first place.

You know how I would have done for Marvel 1 in arcades? Take the headliners of all their major series, add in some if their villains. And boom, there you go. Then with 2 you expand to have even more, basically the first game but bigger. And then by the third you start experimenting. Throwing in some more obscure characters and the like. Sound familiar? Because I’m describing Smash!

I need to go to sleep.

You say this, but then you yourself are pulling out hyper obscure characters like Squadron Supreme and Namor.


Like, I know Namor has historical significance but..... Namor. I feel like if you showed a picture of him to most people, they'd think he's Aquaman. THAT is an obscure character to anyone who's not a super comic book nerd.

Namor, Captain America, and the original Human Torch were Marvel’s first three. Their big three in the golden age. They gotta respect their history.