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[Z25]

Just a reminder that Joker came out of nowhere, it's not out of the question they'll do that again.

Joker was always announced a few months before his release. I’m talking about straight up announcing the character and dropping them immediately after the direct

 

[MooMew64]

Joker was always announced a few months before his release. I’m talking about straight up announcing the character and dropping them immediately after the direct

Ryu and Roy released that way back in the day, I could see it happening again.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

The inevitable reboot is only gonna have like a third of the cast and that's being generous so it doesn't matter what you want because you will almost certainly not like the cuts regardless.

I wouldn't say "inevitable". If Nintendo and Sakurai knows a thing or two then they know to keep Ultimate as a base and just build upon it. Y'know, the same way they used Smash 4 to build off of for Ultimate? Easy money. Everyone's happy.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I don't see a reason to remove anyone.

Yeah. Honestly same. I only answered like if I had to follow the prompt. But I don’t think anyone should be cut.

Smash is destined for a future of enhanced ports and reused assets.

 

[DerpingPikachu]

I wouldn’t cut anyone considering some of characters I like are pretty controversial () and I would hate to see them go.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Smash is destined for a future of enhanced ports and reused assets.

Hope you're right. That's what I'd love for the series to keep doing if it continues after Ultimate.

 

[Wademan94]

better be Diamond and Pearl remakes and they better be good

Cynthia in HD pls.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Spoiler: Gosh, look at the time!

This joke won't die.

 

[Wademan94]

Yeah. Honestly same. I only answered like if I had to follow the prompt. But I don’t think anyone should be cut.

Smash is destined for a future of enhanced ports and reused assets.

Maybe Smash could take a break and there could be another big Nintendo crossover in a different game genre in the meantime.

 

[Z25]

Ryu and Roy released that way back in the day, I could see it happening again.

This is true but Roy was a vet. I don’t see it as likely because if that was the case hero would have made a lot of sense to just drop at E3 because it seems like he and banjo were way ahead of schedule considering banjo was out a whole month before we thought he would be.
I also don’t see the final pass character being dropped in a random direct and not E3 either but I suppose it could still happen

 

[CosmicQuark]

What characters could yous guys see yourself removing from Smash if you had the power? Or at least would want to but would never do due to other people?

For me it would probably be Lucina, Chrom, Peach, Daisy, Bowser Jr and Wolf.

And Palutena for good measure.

I think this is actually an interesting question, as when we do get a follow up to Ultimate, everyone won't be able to come back. And it's an unenviable task to be in Sakurai's shoes when having to make those hard decisions--I don't have those considerations when making a hypothetical, scaled down roster. It's why I'm glad with Ultimate, everyone was able to come back, and with DLC, Sakurai and Nintendo want to extend it for as long as they can.

But rather than being negative and saying who I would cut, I'd talk about the ones that would be important to see back, in order of importance--those left over potentially being cut depending on the circumstances.

Spoiler: Long List

The original 12: Mario, Donkey Kong, Link, Samus, Yoshi, Kirby, Wolf, Pikachu, Luigi, Ness, Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff.
Main First Party Heroes/Heroines/Villains: Peach, Bowser, Zelda, Ganondorf, Meta Knight, Pit, Olimar, Palutena, Shulk, Inkling, Ridley, King K Rool.
Newest First Party Characters: Isabelle, Incineroar, Piranha Plant.
Fire Emblem: I'll leave this to the Fire Emblem fans, but I would guess Marth and Ike would be high up on the list. Sakurai would likely want to keep as many Fire Emblem characters as possible.
Pokemon: Same with Pokemon, and while I prefer all Gen 1 coming back, it would be better objectively to have generations semi-balanced, which means Lucario, Greninja would be musts. Though, I have a fondness for Pokemon Trainer's unique position of having 3 Pokemon in one.
Retro Classics: Feel like they're all musts: Ice Climbers, Game & Watch, R.O.B., Little Mac, Duck Hunt.
Mii Fighters: While a lot of people don't like them, it's an easy way to make customizable characters of those not in. Would like to see them revamped in some way to allow that even more, perhaps even making them custom for Smash rather than Miis.
Third Party: As many third parties returning as possible. They're the hardest to get back, and so it would be important to bring back as many as possible, with the recognition that especially in this category, not everyone would be able to return. Especially Cloud, is likely to not return. Sonic, Mega Man, and Pac-Man are perennial mainstays. Sega (Bayonetta, Joker), Capcom (Ryu), Microsoft (Banjo & Kazooie), and SNK (Terry) would likely be the easiest to work with. Less certain about Konami and Square, depends on how things are when that time comes. Even Microsoft may be less friendly depending on how the next generation goes. But this is certainly the category where there will likely be far less than desirable returning. Perhaps even less than Ultimate's returning third party cast, since it was primarily feasible due to the "Everyone is Here" plan.
Echos/Doubles/Clones: After all of those are considered, have as many come back as they won't take as much to balance.

I should mention that these are, of course, not the considerations Sakurai would have, but is how I categorize it. It's also not my personal list, as I would add some of my favorites (Bowser Jr.) and get rid of my least favorites. Tried to be as objective as I could be. Also, I'm almost sure I've missed some important ones in some categories, and there were a lot of edge cases where some type of subjective decision had to be made. And an issue comes up when doing this exercise is that it's really hard to make cuts. Whenever I'm given a max, I undoubtedly have to cut characters I think should still be in. Even trying to be as conservative as possible, this has 48-60 characters. It feels like, at that point, get everyone to return. But we know that's unlikely for the next game, and that means a lot if not most of these characters would also be cut. Again, not an enviable task. Which is why I want Ultimate to go on for as long as possible.

EDIT:

I wouldn't say "inevitable". If Nintendo and Sakurai knows a thing or two then they know to keep Ultimate as a base and just build upon it. Y'know, the same way they used Smash 4 to build off of for Ultimate? Easy money. Everyone's happy.

While that is ultimately the best course of action from principles, the reality is it's a business. Sakurai made me rethink that stance when he mentioned DLC has a certain number of years of viability, before profits sink. And when that happens, Nintendo will almost certainly want a sequel or reboot. Wish it was differently, but at least I am glad, for now, that is the philosophy they are continuing for the time being.

 

[Arcanir]

I wouldn't say "inevitable". If Nintendo and Sakurai knows a thing or two then they know to keep Ultimate as a base and just build upon it. Y'know, the same way they used Smash 4 to build off of for Ultimate? Easy money. Everyone's happy.

I wouldn't call it easy money, Sakurai himself said it was hard to do with Ultimate itself and it required an extensive amount of time and resources to pull off and it was expensive to do due to all that went into it. He even went as far as to say Ultimate barely happened with how much work it required to pull off and warned that it probably won't be able to be done again.

However, I think that “Everyone is here!” is something that won’t be repeated. Anything is possible, of course, so I can’t rule anything out entirely, but I still think this won’t happen again.

For starters, bringing back every fighter drastically increases the cost of development. Merely attempting to do this requires a lot of time, personnel, and money. Even something that looks like a simple port has a huge number of manhours behind it. Moreover, in the case of Smash, we can’t simply create whatever we want. I have to receive approval from the original creators of the characters, and I need to reflect their feedback. If this feedback differs from the direction we’ve taken with a character in Smash, then it’s our job to reconcile this disparity no matter how much time or energy it takes. Contractual agreements and other legal issues can also make development exceedingly difficult. In reality, it was quite a challenge to bring every fighter back, and I barely made it work. Frankly, it almost didn’t happen.

Ultimately, Ultimate was a miracle of a game and we're lucky to have it, but even keeping it as a base for a future game is something that's daunting to Sakurai and his development team and even just trying to port it would require a lot of work on their end. They could try to do it, but it definitely wouldn't be easy to pull off, and may even be unfeasible with what they have to do.

 

[Deleted member]

What characters could yous guys see yourself removing from Smash if you had the power? Or at least would want to but would never do due to other people?

For me it would probably be Lucina, Chrom, Peach, Daisy, Bowser Jr and Wolf.

And Palutena for good measure.

Everyone. And replace em with Ojamas and call it
"OJAMA SLAMMA"
joking of course


Anyway, the main characters I would cut are ,,,and.

Terry I just don't like a whole lot
Bowser JR is just eh to me
Lucario is fine and all, but not a fan
and ROB is just a toy. get that mother****a outta here! /s

 

[Deleted member]

So who’s ready for a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe tourney?

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ME
I'M READY
IF N64 RAINBOW ROAD COMES UP EVERYONE IS SCREWED
I AM READY

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Maybe Smash could take a break and there could be another big Nintendo crossover in a different game genre in the meantime.

I'm all for a LEGO game, a Warriors game, a traditional fighter in the style of MvC, or a Kart Racer.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

ME
I'M READY
IF N64 RAINBOW ROAD COMES UP EVERYONE IS SCREWED
I AM READY

Plot twist:
What if the tournament was

200CC

 

[Deleted member]

Plot twist:
What if the tournament was

200CC

No Problem

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[SnakeFighter64]

So, I'm working on setting the Poke Dex for the region my evil team would be set in. After collecting all the Pokemon originally in Pokken, all the Pokemon my admins requested, and all the necessary evolutions, this is the list I've come up with.

Spoiler

1. Charmander
2. Charmeleon
3. Charizard*^
4. Pichu
5. Pikachu^
6. Raichu
7. Machop
8. Machoke
9. Machamp^
10. Gastly
11. Haunter
12. Gengar*^
13. Mew
14. Mewtwo
15. Shadow Mewtwo (Evolve by Leveling Up Mewtwo while it's holding a Shadow Synergy Stone)
16. Suicune
17. Treecko
18. Grovyle
19. Sceptile*
20. Torchic
21. Combusken
22. Blaziken*
23. Ralts
24. Kirlia
25. Gardevoir*
26. Gible
27. Gabite
28. Garchomp*
29. Riolu
30. Lucario*
31. Sneasel
32. Weavile
33. Litwick
34. Lampent
35. Chandelure
36. Fennekin
37. Braixen
38. Delphox
39. Darkrai
40. Scyther
41. Scizor*
42. Croagunk
43. Toxicroak
44. Piplup
45. Prinplup
46. Empoleon
47. Rowlet
48. Dartrix
49. Decidueye
50. Honedge
51. Doublade
52. Aegislash
53. Squirtle
54. Wartortle
55. Blastoise*
56. Emolga
57. Snivy
58. Servine
59. Serperior
60. Lapras^
61. Froakie
62. Frogadier
63. Greninja
64. Eevee^
65. Vaporeon
66. Jolteon
67. Flareon
68. Espeon
69. Umbreon
70. Leafeon
71. Glaceon
72. Sylveon
73. Jirachi
74. Whimsicott
75. Vulpix
76. Ninetales
77. Misdreavus
78. Mismagius
79. Farfetch’d
80. Sirfetch’d
81. Voltorb
82. Electrode
83. Rotom
84. Togepi
85. Togetic
86. Togekiss
87. Dratini
88. Dragonair
89. Dragonite
90. Victini
91. Pachirisu
92. Magikarp
93. Gyrados*
94. Cubone
95. Marowak
96. Diglett
97. Dugtrio
98. Magnemite
99. Magneton
100. Magnezone
101. Wooper
102. Quagsire
103. Reshiram
104. Cresselia
105. Yveltal
106. Latios*
107. Litten
108. Torracat
109. Incineroar
110. Popplio
111. Brionne
112. Primarina
113. Rayquaza*
114. Mimikyu
115. Celebi
116. Wailmer
117. Wailord
118. Azurill
119. Marill
120. Azumarill
121. Mantyke
122. Mantine
123. Remoraid
124. Octillery
125. Ducklett
126. Swanna
127. Phantump
128. Trevenant
129. Dhelmise
130. Pawniard
131. Bisharp
132. Sableye*
133. Carvanha
134. Sharpedo*
135. Scraggy
136. Scrafty
137. Sandile
138. Krokorok
139. Krookodile
140. Tyrunt
141. Tyrantrum
142. Bagon
143. Shelgon
144. Salamance
145. Noibat
146. Noivern
147. Deino
148. Zweilous
149. Hydreigon
150. Trapinch
151. Vibrava
152. Flygon
153. Grimer
154. Muk
155. Zubat
156. Golbat
157. Crobat
158. Skorupi
159. Drapion
160. Venipede
161. Whirlipede
162. Scolipede
163. Skrelp
164. Dragalge
165. Hoopa
166. Duskull
167. Dusclops
168. Dusknoir
169. Yamask
170. Cofagrigus
171. Shuppet
172. Banette*
173. Milcery
174. Alcremie^
175. Diancie*
176. Hatenna
177. Hattrem
178. Hatterene^

*=Has Mega Evolution
^=Has Gigantamax Form

There will be original pokemon both created by me and by people who submit ideas in my form in my sugnature. But I haven't completly nailed them all down yet, so let's just say there are like, 100 blank spaces for new Pokemon.

So what other Pokemon from other regions should I add? Are there any obvious problems with what's already there? Please respond. I want to try to get this project done before I start classes again.

Also, please submit more Pokemon ideas. Please.

Bringing this back up because I posted at an inoportune moment last night. Still want feedback. Still want more pokemon ideas.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

What characters could yous guys see yourself removing from Smash if you had the power? Or at least would want to but would never do due to other people?

For me it would probably be Lucina, Chrom, Peach, Daisy, Bowser Jr and Wolf.

And Palutena for good measure.

No characters would get cut, even if I had that power.

I'm not as down on clones/echoes as I used to be, and since Sakurai has proved that any video game character can make it in, I don't interpret clones/echoes as "stealing slots" anymore, to be honest. So no, I wouldn't cut anybody.

 

[Wario Bros.]

I'd join the Mario Kart tournament if I didn't spent my money on Crash Team Racing: Nitro Fueled instead.

 

[Deleted member]

Here is some Bayonetta 3 news I found...if you want.

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Okay then, I will see myself out.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Here is some Bayonetta 3 news I found...if you want.

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Okay then, I will see myself out.

This game has been more enigmatic then an Atlus title.

 

[Milo AKA Papa]

Joker was always announced a few months before his release. I’m talking about straight up announcing the character and dropping them immediately after the direct

Ryu and Roy released that way back in the day, I could see it happening again.

Considering past Ultimate DLC so far, it seems unlikely they'd drop the character immediately after the direct unless we also get a presentation about the character after the direct as well. At the very least, they'll announce a presentation for the character like how they did for Banjo during the direct. It should be noted that it's HIGHLY likely Joker was announced a few months ahead of time and then a lot of silence is a lot of that time went toward the other characters rather than Joker himself, which would explain how consistent they've been so far with a new character every other month so far.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I wouldn't call it easy money, Sakurai himself said it was hard to do with Ultimate itself and it required an extensive amount of time and resources to pull off and it was expensive to do due to all that went into it. He even went as far as to say Ultimate barely happened with how much work it required to pull off and warned that it probably won't be able to be done again.



Ultimately, Ultimate was a miracle of a game and we're lucky to have it, but even keeping it as a base for a future game is something that's daunting to Sakurai and his development team and even just trying to port it would require a lot of work on their end. They could try to do it, but it definitely wouldn't be easy to pull off, and may even be unfeasible with what they have to do.

Sure, yes, absolutely. A new game that has Everyone Here is basically impossible. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is a Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for Ultimate. One that can be continually added to for years and years, even pass the Switch's successor a living experience, if you will.

 

[Deleted member]

Ok, I finally got every Christmas gift I was given today:

Spoiler: But HOLD UP A SINGLE MINUTE, because there’s something else!

It is something that osby , Cutie Gwen , staindgrey , Metal Shop X ,@Shishœ , Lamperouge , Opossum and Scoliosis Jones will love to see!!!!

Spoiler: My dear contreras...

IT FINALLY CAME TO MY HOUSE!!!!!

Spoiler: And you won’t ever guess who gave me this alongside the Optimus Prime figure

My aunt of all people.

Holy ****.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Ok, I finally got every Christmas gift I was given today:
View attachment 255955

Spoiler: But HOLD UP A SINGLE MINUTE, because there’s something else!

It is something that osby , Cutie Gwen , staindgrey , Metal Shop X ,@Shishœ , Lamperouge , Opossum and Scoliosis Jones will love to see!!!!

Spoiler: My dear contreras...

View attachment 255957

IT FINALLY CAME TO MY HOUSE!!!!!

Spoiler: And you won’t ever guess who gave me this alongside the Optimus Prime figure

My aunt of all people.

Holy ****.

Enjoy the stuff. Three Houses, Pokemon and Layton. Interesting game combo.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Ok, I finally got every Christmas gift I was given today:


But HOLD UP A SINGLE MINUTE, because there’s something else!


IT FINALLY CAME TO MY HOUSE!!!!!

Pick golden deer, the better house, or idk, do Black eagles first because its shorter and over faster i guess
Also
GIVE ME the ****ing CHOCOLATE

 

[Deleted member]

Pick golden deer, the better house
Also
GIVE ME the ****ing CHOCOLATE

Yeah, I am joining both you and Osby on the Golden Deers.

The memes sold me in.

 

[Wademan94]

I'm all for a LEGO game, a Warriors game, a traditional fighter in the style of MvC, or a Kart Racer.

Maybe something reminiscent of Kingdom Hearts in gameplay too?

 

[Z25]

Ok, I finally got every Christmas gift I was given today:
View attachment 255955

Spoiler: But HOLD UP A SINGLE MINUTE, because there’s something else!

It is something that osby , Cutie Gwen , staindgrey , Metal Shop X ,@Shishœ , Lamperouge , Opossum and Scoliosis Jones will love to see!!!!

Spoiler: My dear contreras...

View attachment 255957

IT FINALLY CAME TO MY HOUSE!!!!!

Spoiler: And you won’t ever guess who gave me this alongside the Optimus Prime figure

My aunt of all people.

Holy ****.

Now important question,

Which house did you choose?

 

[Deleted member]

Now important question,

Which house did you choose?

Golden Deers.

I chose that for the memes and the girl some people refer to as Cheese Girl.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

Ok, I finally got every Christmas gift I was given today:
View attachment 255955

Spoiler: But HOLD UP A SINGLE MINUTE, because there’s something else!

It is something that osby , Cutie Gwen , staindgrey , Metal Shop X ,@Shishœ , Lamperouge , Opossum and Scoliosis Jones will love to see!!!!

Spoiler: My dear contreras...

View attachment 255957

IT FINALLY CAME TO MY HOUSE!!!!!

Spoiler: And you won’t ever guess who gave me this alongside the Optimus Prime figure

My aunt of all people.

Holy ****.

Reach for my haaaand! I'll soar awaaaay!
Into the dawn, oh, I wish I could staaaay!

 

[DerpingPikachu]

osby
Lamperouge
Guh-Huzzah!
@Edith Bunker
Metal Shop X
@JDCabrera
Mamboo07

Spoiler: An update

I just thought I should share This progress pic to show I’m still working. It’s not perfect, but I’m proud of what I have so far. I’m probably gonna work on the hair today.

 

[Deleted member]

osby
Lamperouge
Guh-Huzzah!
@Edith Bunker
Metal Shop X
@JDCabrera
Mamboo07

Spoiler: An update

View attachment 255965

I just thought I should share This progress pic to show I’m still working. It’s not perfect, but I’m proud of what I have so far. I’m probably gonna work on the hair today.

So far I dig your take on her glasses!

Also, check out what I got for Christmas 2 up above this page.

 

[DerpingPikachu]

So far I dig your take on her glasses!

Also, check out what I got for Christmas 2 up above this page.

Thank you!! The glasses were the most difficult part so far so I’m glad you like it.
And that’s awesome, dude! Glad you got some nice Christmas stuff.

 

[Aurane]

Almost caught all of the Pokemon. A lot of them require trading to obtain, but fortunately, I'll be getting my new phone card next week. A little patience goes a long way.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

osby
Lamperouge
Guh-Huzzah!
@Edith Bunker
Metal Shop X
@JDCabrera
Mamboo07

Spoiler: An update

View attachment 255965

I just thought I should share This progress pic to show I’m still working. It’s not perfect, but I’m proud of what I have so far. I’m probably gonna work on the hair today.

It's coming along well!

I can't wait to see more of it soon, like when you color it and all. Keep me updated; add me to the tag list.

 

[ZephyrZ]

Yeah, I am joining both you and Osby on the Golden Deers.

The memes sold me in.

Yes, yes, come to the gold side.

We have cookies that we promise we didn't lace wirh nonlethal stomach poison.

 

[Metal Shop X]

osby
Lamperouge
Guh-Huzzah!
@Edith Bunker
Metal Shop X
@JDCabrera
Mamboo07

Spoiler: An update

View attachment 255965

I just thought I should share This progress pic to show I’m still working. It’s not perfect, but I’m proud of what I have so far. I’m probably gonna work on the hair today.

Good stuff, hope you don't have problem with the hair.

 

[PeridotGX]

Why is Drednaw, of all Pokemon, such a hard raid to beat? I can't even beat a 4-star regular one without help from online.

(it's not a type-matchup problem: I always use a roserade)