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SnakeFighter64 SnakeFighter64 I think you're applying Doctor Who regeneration rules to Pokemon evolution.

I've never heard anything about "evolution energy" before.
In Pokémon evolution energy is more like the energy the Pokémon has already. if it’s strong enough to evolve, it will. Some Pokémon train or eat or rest up, so they have enough energy to go through the process of evolution. It doesn’t build up like gamma radiation or some ****
 
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Yeah but Pokémon evolution works nothing like irl animals, so there’s really nothing to draw comparisons with here.
It's drawn comparison to metamorphosis a few times.
 

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some Pokémon straight up don’t want to evolve, even Pokémon that evolve by level like Meowth. I’m sure you could find a way to work that into your little headcanon.



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I didn’t know that. I don’t know how to fit that in with my understanding of it. It doesn’t make sense. But I guess that’s just my brain doing things again.
And they’re not in pain. I dunno where you got that idea.
Sorry. I hadn’t seen your post before I posted that.

And I got it because it just.... makes sense. It’s a natural process. Forcing them to not has to hurt them in some way. I understand if it’s not true, but I would still feel bad about it.
SnakeFighter64 SnakeFighter64 I think you're applying Doctor Who regeneration rules to Pokemon evolution.

I've never heard anything about "evolution energy" before.
There’s a flash of energy when they transform and they do it by gaining levels of experience. It’s not that big a leap of logic.
 
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It seems a lot of wiki sites on the Fandom IP are moving to their own property.

Today, the JoJo Encylopedia moved from the fandom website to its own independent server linked here (it looks really good btw)

Me and a buddy have been debating making our own usage of Mediawiki ourselves, VS Debating and researching fiction for no damn good reason is our stupid hobby and no one has seemingly moved to the site before. It's a big opportunity, IMO. The only one like it was OBD, and that site went to the ****ter in 2016 I believe. Narutoforums changed to be private, and it was a ****ing Naruto website so there wasn't much getting done there. VS Battles is also pretty stupid in how they categorize **** and they banned us for **** we didn't do. They've degraded to a point where they allow Smosh profiles now.

So maybe I'll start doing website things soon, who knows? :secretkpop: Time to break my ****ing wallet for servers, yo.
 
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I mean, I get where Snake's coming from.


It's several hoops of logic that you have to leap through, but I understand. I felt kinda similar about other topics when I was a young teenager, applying real world logic to fictional things.
 

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I didn’t know that. I don’t know how to fit that in with my understanding of it. It doesn’t make sense. But I guess that’s just my

Sorry. I hadn’t seen your post before I posted that.

And I got it because it just.... makes sense. It’s a natural process. Forcing them to not has to hurt them in some way. I understand if it’s not true, but I would still feel bad about it.

There’s a flash of energy when they transform and they do it by gaining levels of experience. It’s not that big a leap of logic.
Evolution energy simply refers to the energy the Pokémon has. If it’s strong and resilient enough to undergo the process of evolution. It’s not magical gamma rays or nothin like that. The flash of light is because it’s looks flashy. That’s it.
 

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It seems a lot of wiki sites on the Fandom IP are moving to their own property.

Today, the JoJo Encylopedia moved from the fandom website to its own independent server linked here (it looks really good btw)

Me and a buddy have been debating making our own usage of Mediawiki ourselves, VS Debating and researching fiction for no damn good reason is our stupid hobby and no one has seemingly moved to the site before. It's a big opportunity, IMO. The only one like it was OBD, and that site went to the ****ter in 2016 I believe. Narutoforums changed to be private, and it was a ****ing Naruto website so there wasn't much getting done there.

So maybe I'll start doing website things soon, who knows? :secretkpop: Time to break my ****ing wallet for servers, yo.
When's the Smashboards wiki moving to an independent server?
 

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In Pokémon evolution energy is more like the energy the Pokémon has already. if it’s strong enough to evolve, it will. Some Pokémon train or eat or rest up, so they have enough energy to go through the process of evolution. It doesn’t build up like gamma radiation or some ****
This gave me an idea, what if cancelling an evolution gave the Pokemon a temporary buff in some way? Like, instead of letting the energy out (leading to evolution) they focused it into defense - allowing them to take 1 hit without taking damage, or attack - boosting the power of their next attack significantly.
 

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I think Snake's logic kinda comes down to this:


Have you ever felt bad about having to kill a character in a game? Or even hurt someone you didn't think they deserved it?


Sure, they're just video game characters, but at the moment, when you're given the decision, sometimes you forget that if only briefly.


It's kinda like when I was a kid playing Smash 64. I hated beating up Pikachu, Jiggs, Kirby or Yoshi. They were cute, I didn't want to hurt them.



Of course, this is illogical, they're just data, they don't have feelings, but it's also understandable.
 

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I didn’t know that. I don’t know how to fit that in with my understanding of it. It doesn’t make sense. But I guess that’s just my brain doing things again.

Sorry. I hadn’t seen your post before I posted that.

And I got it because it just.... makes sense. It’s a natural process. Forcing them to not has to hurt them in some way. I understand if it’s not true, but I would still feel bad about it.

There’s a flash of energy when they transform and they do it by gaining levels of experience. It’s not that big a leap of logic.
If it helps ease the discomfort, there's another clear example of the Pokémon world not dealing with energy release the same way as the real world would.

Namely, the entire concept of Poké Balls. Being able to encapsulate a monster as pure energy only to then release it back as a physical form kind of flies in the face of conservation of mass and would, theoretically, release a massive amount of energy upon being released from the ball. Hell, larger Pokémon like Wailord or Eternatus being sent out should, theoretically, basically be a nuke. And let's not even get into Dynamaxing because hoo boy.

So considering the world doesn't literally fall apart upon giant Pokémon emerging from Poké Balls, holding back evolution very likely doesn't cause pain.
 
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I mean, I get where Snake's coming from.


It's several hoops of logic that you have to leap through, but I understand. I felt kinda similar about other topics when I was a young teenager, applying real world logic to fictional things.
Pretty much Game Theorists(you know the one i'm talking bout) in a nutshell lmao:
Like, why would you even do all the math, just for you to remember... oh wait, it doesn't follow IRL logic!


ahem... rant over... eh, yeah, ditto here.
 

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This gave me an idea, what if cancelling an evolution gave the Pokemon a temporary buff in some way? Like, instead of letting the energy out (leading to evolution) they focused it into defense - allowing them to take 1 hit without taking damage, or attack - boosting the power of their next attack significantly.
That sounds pretty cool actually
 

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If it helps ease the discomfort, there's another clear example of the Pokémon world not dealing with energy release the same way as the real world would.

Namely, the entire concept of Poké Balls. Being able to encapsulate a monster as pure energy only to then release it back as a physical form kind of flies in the face of conservation of mass and would, theoretically, release a massive amount of energy upon being released from the ball. Hell, larger Pokémon like Wailord or Eternatus being sent out should, theoretically, basically be a nuke. And let's not even get into Dynamaxing because hoo boy.

So considering the world doesn't literally fall apart upon giant Pokémon emerging from Poké Balls, holding back evolution very likely doesn't cause pain.
Whatchu' talkin about, Willis?


Wailord went on a KETO diet to get into Galar.


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Smh don't fatshame the whale.
 

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I mean, I get where Snake's coming from.


It's several hoops of logic that you have to leap through, but I understand. I felt kinda similar about other topics when I was a young teenager, applying real world logic to fictional things.
It's logic that really only applies to fictional characters for character growth standards when it comes to "killing??? okay???? but they're enemies???? but what if they're me????" Shulk from Xenoblade is a good example of this.

too bad you never kill pokemon though

well, you don't kill them by your hand, you eat them at least.
 
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This gave me an idea, what if cancelling an evolution gave the Pokemon a temporary buff in some way? Like, instead of letting the energy out (leading to evolution) they focused it into defense - allowing them to take 1 hit without taking damage, or attack - boosting the power of their next attack significantly.
I just read up on the process, and apparently holding back evolution will lead to a weaker Pokémon with less moves over all. So even if it doesn’t hurt them, it’s still not a good idea.

God. My problems would be solved if I could just skip the starter picking and just go catch an Eevee or something. IDK. Just.... I should probably just..... I don’t even know. I liked the design for the Hatenna line but then I read what they were like according to the dex and realized the thing would hate me. I don’t know what to do.
 

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I still love how we're debating if evolution good or bad when Galar's fossil ethicalness is the true elephant in the room here.
 

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I just read up on the process, and apparently holding back evolution will lead to a weaker Pokémon with less moves over all. So even if it doesn’t hurt them, it’s still not a good idea.

God. My problems would be solved if I could just skip the starter picking and just go catch an Eevee or something. IDK. Just.... I should probably just..... I don’t even know. I liked the design for the Hatenna line but then I read what they were like according to the dex and realized the thing would hate me. I don’t know what to do.
are you really having a moral dilemma over a video game that children can play and beat?

if the pokemon out in the wild are literally coming after your blood and chasing after you with the intent to beat the **** out of you, and you're given a pokemon as a means of protection, and that pokemon willingly goes out of their way to do so, that's just how life is in pokemon. don't hate the player or the game, hate the fact we're having this conversation.
 
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I just read up on the process, and apparently holding back evolution will lead to a weaker Pokémon with less moves over all. So even if it doesn’t hurt them, it’s still not a good idea.

God. My problems would be solved if I could just skip the starter picking and just go catch an Eevee or something. IDK. Just.... I should probably just..... I don’t even know. I liked the design for the Hatenna line but then I read what they were like according to the dex and realized the thing would hate me. I don’t know what to do.
Welp, tough luck on the starter thing, if you don't go and pick a starter, this happens:

Getting a starter is a required story trigger that sets the spawn rate of all pokemon to a metaphorical "ON". Without doing so, it defaults to "OFF" I.E nothing spawns, meaning you can't actually do anything of value.
 
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I just read up on the process, and apparently holding back evolution will lead to a weaker Pokémon with less moves over all. So even if it doesn’t hurt them, it’s still not a good idea.

God. My problems would be solved if I could just skip the starter picking and just go catch an Eevee or something. IDK. Just.... I should probably just..... I don’t even know. I liked the design for the Hatenna line but then I read what they were like according to the dex and realized the thing would hate me. I don’t know what to do.
Just put it in the box and use Wooloo.
 

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I just read up on the process, and apparently holding back evolution will lead to a weaker Pokémon with less moves over all. So even if it doesn’t hurt them, it’s still not a good idea.

God. My problems would be solved if I could just skip the starter picking and just go catch an Eevee or something. IDK. Just.... I should probably just..... I don’t even know. I liked the design for the Hatenna line but then I read what they were like according to the dex and realized the thing would hate me. I don’t know what to do.
Holding back evolution is usually suggested to learn moves faster. Missing out on moves from the evolution is a non-issue with move relearners.
 

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are you really having a moral dilemma over a video game that children can play and beat?

if the pokemon out in the wild are literally coming after your blood and chasing after you with the intent to beat the **** out of you, and you're given a pokemon as a means of protection, and that pokemon willingly goes out of their way to do so, that's just how life is in pokemon. don't hate the player or the game, hate the fact we're having this conversation.
Just put it in the box and use Wooloo.
This doesn’t help me. This is not the kind of thing you tell a person who’s having an emotional breakdown.

I wanted to play SwSh because of the friendship, growth, and emotional connection with the mon because I feel so alone all the time and suck at making friends. Doing things that compromise that goes against the reason I wanted it. Is that stupid? Maybe. Is is my fault? Definitely. But that doesn’t mean my emotions are invalid or any easier to control.

Also my problems don’t go away thanks to freakin Dubwool. Because GameFreak just can’t let any cute Pokémon stay cute throughout the entire line.
 
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