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[Scoliosis Jones]

I honestly prefer the morally grey villains. Magneto is one of my favorites because of the fact that his ideals match Xavier’s, but he has more violent means.

Once you get more of his backstory, the fact that Magneto has dealt with stuff explains why he has the outlook he displays. Sometimes...you almost want to agree with him.

It really comes down to the writing. God Loves, Man Kills is a great piece. When it comes to the Joker, while the Killing Joke doesn’t necessarily make the reader sympathetic to him, but understanding that, really, Batman is just the opposite extreme of Joker. It makes the characters that much more interesting imo.

So freaking glad I got more into comics over the last few years. Some of the characters are simply great.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

This was probably not be but watching the movie I felt the movie wasn't trying to make you sympathize with him. At least that's how I felt with it but how it shows anyone can go down such a dark path.

Same they could do with these other supposed DC Dark movies.

Plus as a Joker movie I'd say its bad but as an Elseworld story based on the character its great IMO.

Except it wouldn't exactly be Joker, just a character based on him as Brandon Breyer from Brightburn was to Superman.

I never saw Brightburn. I heard it was a deconstruction and then ignored it. I’m sick of deconstruction and cynicism. I’d rather we go back to sincerity, love for the source material, and fun while also exploring the character and humanity of these fantastical characters. If that’s ever a place we were in to being with.

I haven’t seen it. So I can’t judge. But everything I’ve seen about it makes me not want to see it. Obviously reading a plot summary on Wikipedia and watching MatPat y’all about it isn’t the same as watching the movie, like at all, but it really sounded like they were making him sympathetic and pandering to the growing band of revolutionaries and bigots on the internet who idolize his Dark Knight incarnation (arguably the single worst trilogy of Batman movies ever). Maybe I’ll give it a watch if I get the opportunity to see it without paying for it. But I do not want to show support for this type of movie.

 

[Wademan94]

If someone puts their mind to it any film with a premise could possibility work.

Okay, so why don’t you put your mind to it and see what you can do to make it work?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I honestly prefer the morally grey villains. Magneto is one of my favorites because of the fact that his ideals match Xavier’s, but he has more violent means.

Once you get more of his backstory, the fact that Magneto has dealt with stuff explains why he has the outlook he displays. Sometimes...you almost want to agree with him.

It really comes down to the writing. God Loves, Man Kills is a great piece. When it comes to the Joker, while the Killing Joke doesn’t necessarily make the reader sympathetic to him, but understanding that, really, Batman is just the opposite extreme of Joker. It makes the characters that much more interesting imo.

So freaking glad I got more into comics over the last few years. Some of the characters are simply great.

Good for you. But don’t try to add shades of grey to black and white villains. Lex Luthor is a egomaniacal bigot with aspirations of world domination. The Joker is a murderous sociopath who sees no value in human life and lives to cause chaos and mayhem because he thinks it’s funny. Cheetah is a woman cursed by the goddess of the hunt into becoming a cold blooded mass murderer. And Reverse-Flash is an obsessive fanboy who went to far.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So I'm pretty much done with movies for this year. You guys have any other movies left this year you'll be seeing?

Next year I shall start again in January with Underwater (You already know I'm a sucker for killer creature flicks whether they're bad or not).

 

[BlueMonk]

Good for you. But don’t try to add shades of grey to black and white villains. Lex Luthor is a egomaniacal bigot with aspirations of world domination. The Joker is a murderous sociopath who sees no value in human life and lives to cause chaos and mayhem because he thinks it’s funny. Cheetah is a woman cursed by the goddess of the hunt into becoming a cold blooded mass murderer. And Reverse-Flash is an obsessive fanboy who went to far.

but if they're redoing the characters like they are with the Joker movie, what's wrong with making them a bit more grey?

 

[Deleted member]

I never saw Brightburn. I heard it was a deconstruction and then ignored it. I’m sick of deconstruction and cynicism. I’d rather we go back to sincerity, love for the source material, and fun while also exploring the character and humanity of these fantastical characters. If that’s ever a place we were in to being with.

I haven’t seen it. So I can’t judge. But everything I’ve seen about it makes me not want to see it. Obviously reading a plot summary on Wikipedia and watching MatPat y’all about it isn’t the same as watching the movie, like at all, but it really sounded like they were making him sympathetic and pandering to the growing band of revolutionaries and bigots on the internet who idolize his Dark Knight incarnation (arguably the single worst trilogy of Batman movies ever). Maybe I’ll give it a watch if I get the opportunity to see it without paying for it. But I do not want to show support for this type of movie.

The closest the movie comes to those "Gamer" memes is a namedrop about Society no way was it made because of those memes plus I'm sure the movie was in production way before then. That's not what they were going for.

And what's wrong with Deconstructing a character? Doing those kinds of movies doesn't instantly mean the people behind them don't like the character as I'm sure they chose the Joker because they loved the character and found him interesting.

They were also not making him sympathetic at all only showing that anyone with enough of a push and beat down could take a wrong path in life not that he's sympathetic or right as him doing stuff when he turns into the Joker isn't played off as funny or right but instead sick and deranged.

 

[Zinith]

I really don’t like that idea. The idea of actions like Joker’s being idolized and heroicized is disturbing to me.

Ah, Thermian Argument!!! My arch nemesis!!!

 

[SnakeFighter64]

but if they're redoing the characters like they are with the Joker movie, what's wrong with making them a bit more grey?

Because once these movies get popular they change the source material pretty much permanently. See the Teen Titans post show, Mr. Freeze, both incarnations of Harley Quinn, and pretty much every character in the MCU. These changes stick. And changing them in this way is not something I would like.

The closest the movie comes to those "Gamer" memes is a namedrop about Society no way was it made because of those memes plus I'm sure the movie was in production way before then. That's not what they were going for.

And what's wrong with Deconstructing a character? Doing those kinds of movies doesn't instantly mean the people behind them don't like the character as I'm sure they chose the Joker because they loved the character and found him interesting.

They were also not making him sympathetic at all only showing that anyone with enough of a push and beat down could take a wrong path in life not that he's sympathetic or right as him doing stuff when he turns into the Joker isn't played off as funny or right but instead sick and deranged.

Doesn’t

Spoiler: Potentially

He start and become the face of a revolution where people literally kill the rich?

About deconstructions. I’m just sick of it. I’m sick of cynicism. I’m sick of people taking these fantasy stories and going “pfeh. Yeah right! THIS is what would happen if this story were REAL”. Makes me frustrated

I’ll take your word about them making him sympathetic though. That’s something you really can only get from actually seeing it.

Ah, Thermian Argument!!! My arch nemesis!!!

I had to look up what that meant. And what I read didn’t make sense.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

As a DC fan.... I am super sick on the over emphasis on villains. Specifically Batman villains. Especially since almost no DC Hero has had a good true to source adaptation. Especially Not Batman and Superman. This has only recently started happening with Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Shazam.

I just don’t like watching movies about the bad guy. I want to root for the protagonist. Plus, exactly how evil they are tends to get watered down to make them more relatable. You should never be made to feel empathy for The Joker. He’s pretty much pure chaotic evil. If you find yourself relating to him and empathizing with him then they did a bad job at adapting him. And I dread what this could to do other DC villains. Especially since elements from these movies tend to cross over to and influence the comics once they become popular.

I don't know if you watch the shows or not, but Flash and Supergirl are pretty good.

 

[Noipoi]

Mlp finale makin me feel things

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I don't know if you watch the shows or not, but Flash and Supergirl are pretty good.

I watch every DC CW show. And yes. They are all very good.

 

[Noipoi]

About deconstructions. I’m just sick of it. I’m sick of cynicism. I’m sick of people taking these fantasy stories and going “pfeh. Yeah right! THIS is what would happen if this story were REAL”. Makes me frustrated

Then don’t watch em lol

 

[Deleted member]

Watched Joker today, overall a quite good movie. Performances were great and I thought the origin they went with him was quite interesting.

 

[Deleted member]

Because once these movies get popular they change the source material pretty much permanently. See the Teen Titans post show, Mr. Freeze, both incarnations of Harley Quinn, and pretty much every character in the MCU. These changes stick. And changing them in this way is not something I would like.

Doesn’t

Spoiler: Potentially

He start and become the face of a revolution where people literally kill the rich?

About deconstructions. I’m just sick of it. I’m sick of cynicism. I’m sick of people taking these fantasy stories and going “pfeh. Yeah right! THIS is what would happen if this story were REAL”. Makes me frustrated

I’ll take your word about them making him sympathetic though. That’s something you really can only get from actually seeing it.

I had to look up what that meant. And what I read didn’t make sense.

Spoiler

Well yes but that wasn't voluntary more just incidentally and it's not played off that he meant to do that. Sure he started it but it wasn't intentional.

 

[Zinith]

I had to look up what that meant. And what I read didn’t make sense.

Basically the action being conveyed in the first place matters more than the context of it. Needless to say it's wrong

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Then don’t watch em lol

I don’t.

But they’re getting more prominent than Ernest and loving depictions of these characters and elements.

If you like them, then more power too you. But I would prefer they not be the only thing we get.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Good for you. But don’t try to add shades of grey to black and white villains. Lex Luthor is a egomaniacal bigot with aspirations of world domination. The Joker is a murderous sociopath who sees no value in human life and lives to cause chaos and mayhem because he thinks it’s funny. Cheetah is a woman cursed by the goddess of the hunt into becoming a cold blooded mass murderer. And Reverse-Flash is an obsessive fanboy who went to far.

I mean, I’m not adding the “shade of grey” to the Joker. The Killing Joke is considered one of the best Comic book stories ever, because the story is told well, and makes two of the most dynamic characters in pop-culture more alike than fans thought.

We know “what” these popular characters are about. But exploring the “why” can be interesting once in awhile. I don’t think the latest Joker movie or even the interpretation Jared Leto has will ever outshine the classic Joker and Batman stories.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Watched Joker today, overall a quite good movie. Performances were great and I thought the origin they went with him was quite interesting.

It didn't make it into my top 11 movies of this year but it did make into my honorable mentions alongside Child's Play, Detective Pikachu and Gemini Man.

 

[Noipoi]

I don’t.

But they’re getting more prominent than Ernest and loving depictions of these characters and elements.

If you like them, then more power too you. But I would prefer they not be the only thing we get.

People making realistic interpretations of characters and their worlds doesn’t mean they don’t love the characters.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I mean, I’m not adding the “shade of grey” to the Joker. The Killing Joke is considered one of the best Comic book stories ever, because the story is told well.

We know “what” these popular characters are about. But exploring the “why” can be interesting once in awhile. I don’t think the latest Joker movie or even the interpretation Jared Leto has will ever outshine the classic Joker and Batman stories.

I really hope your right. But Dark Knight elements have really been sticking around.

Realistic interpretations of the characters and their worlds doesn’t mean they don’t love the characters.

I’m sorry but that’s just not how it reads to me. To me. It reads like they’re saying “pfeh. That’s lame. This is how it would happen in the REAL world!”

 

[Noipoi]

I really hope your right. But Dark Knight elements have really been sticking around.

I’m sorry but that’s just not how it reads to me. To me. It reads like they’re saying “pfeh. That’s lame. This is how it would happen in the REAL world!”

Or maybe it’s more like “I really love this character, what if they were in the REAL world!!!”

Not everything is as cynical as you seem to think.

 

[SneakyLink]

Me: Oh boy, I can’t wait to beat Necrozma!
Necrozma: One-shots my entire party.
Me:

Spoiler

Guess I’ll be level grinding for a few dozen levels.

 

[Noipoi]

Me: Oh boy, I can’t wait to beat Necrozma!
Necrozma: One-shots my entire party.
Me:

Spoiler

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Guess I’ll be level grinding for a few dozen levels.

Or you could deploy Zoroark shenanigans

 

[Knight Dude]

Krillin's render in Fighterz looks really ****ed up for some reason. His Kakarot render is on point.

I think that has to do with Krillin's head being tilted downwards a bit. It makes his forehead a little larger and his face is lowered some. That said, the DBZK one looks freaking great. But I like both renders a lot.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Or maybe it’s more like “I really love this character, what if they were in the REAL world!!!”

Not everything is as cynical as you seem to think.

I suppose.

I mean, I would show my love for something by accurately adapting it and cramming in a tonne of fanservace and references but to each their own.

 

[SneakyLink]

Or you could deploy Zoroark shenanigans

I don’t have a Zoroak. Also my party was under leveled by about 10 (I genuinely didn’t expect it to jump to Level 60)

 

[Noipoi]

I suppose.

I mean, I would show my love for something by accurately adapting it and cramming in a tonne of fanservace and references but to each their own.

There’s more than one way to show love and respect for a character. Simple as.

 

[Aurane]

Just gonna, you know, post this because... yeah.

 

[Noipoi]

I don’t have a Zoroak. Also my party was under leveled by about 10 (I genuinely didn’t expect it to jump to Level 60)

What’s your team matey?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

There’s more than one way to show love and respect for a character. Simple as.

I suppose.

*begrudgingly concedes defeat*

 

[SneakyLink]

What’s your team matey?

I got a Decidieye, a Lycanroc (Dusk form), Poliwrath, Gardevoir, a Magnezone, and a Lopunny.
All of them were unprepared (around Level 50), now the trading regime begins!

 

[Zinith]

Just gonna, you know, post this because... yeah.

Well I mean...... who's more popular on DeviantArt?

Exactly

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I've gotta say, I will always love The Dark Knight, I think it is the best paced 3 hour movie ever made.

 

[Noipoi]

I suppose.

*begrudgingly concedes defeat*

*revels in victory*
*Overtakes your kingdom*
*pats your dogs*
*eats your cheese*

 

[SnakeFighter64]

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*revels in victory*
*Overtakes your kingdom*
*pats your dogs*
*eats your cheese*

I have no idea how you were able to make this so personal.

Like, my obsession with cheese is something I don't think I've ever brought up here before.

 

[Noipoi]

I have no idea how you were able to make this so personal.

Like, my obsession with cheese is something I don't think I've ever brought up here before.

We’re all obsessed with cheese

 

[Cosmic77]

Just gonna, you know, post this because... yeah.

Zoroark: "You mad, bro?"
Necrozma: "..."

 

[Aurane]

I just took a look at that recent Pokemon footage that was shown and I just noticed something cool.

The sky has actual cloud lighting mechanics. The game will go slightly dim when the clouds go over the sun.

That's actually a really neat thing. Beautiful.

 

[SneakyLink]

Just gonna, you know, post this because... yeah.

I would use a Zoroak, but I like a challenge.

Maybe in Sword/Shield, I have yet to assemble a tentative team for those games...