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[TheMightyP]

I hate how this implies he doesn’t like Banjo-Kazooie and he was just bending to the fanbase’s will.

I'm sure he likes Banjo, but lets not kid ourselves, Banjo mainly got in due to heavy requests for many years.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Terry are of people that are within the Smash bubble

I love Terry, but the fact that Sans attracted more attention should've made the Anti-Smash Bubble Bubble realize that the public isn't a bunch of robots that go "THIS CHARACTER IS NOT FROM NINTENDO. I SHALL NOW CONSUME THE CHARACTER". Which is what I believe "third parties are more hype" has turned into.

 

[Schnee117]

Why do people talk about these polls like they actually think that people believe they will reflect the DLC? It’s just a way to see where the communities opinions lie.

Because there are people who actually do think the polls reflect how DLC will go.

 

[Slime Master]

Reminder that a lot of statistics uses a minority as the sample size (though maybe not quite this small). Thing is, those samples are supposed to still be representative of the whole population. As others have pointed out, this poll looks very smash bubble-y, which is not representative of the whole population.

 

[Deleted member]

I love Terry, but the fact that Sans attracted more attention should've made the Anti-Smash Bubble Bubble realize that the public isn't a bunch of robots that go "THIS CHARACTER IS NOT FROM NINTENDO. I SHALL NOW CONSUME THE CHARACTER". Which is what I believe "third parties are more hype" has turned into.

Tbf, Sans is also a third party, and he was just a mii costume.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Tbf, Sans is also a third party, and he was just a mii costume.

I know Sans is a third-party. My point is that the public doesn't treat all third-parties equal.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I still really doubt we’ll be getting first party picks. All the first party picks left are side-characters and low-popularity franchises. As much as I would love an Astral Chain Rep, you gotta acknowledge that third parties will probably sell better at this point.

That's actually a really good thing. It's been proven that franchises that have a character make it into Smash get a BIG boost in popularity. Hell Fire Emblem was LOCALIZED because of it, Dragon Quest has finally made a pretty big splash over here (from what I can tell), and now Nintendo fans are clamoring over each other to get Persona 5 on Switch.

These smaller franchises, if added, could easily become a decent bit bigger just from the exposure alone. And that's never a bad thing.

 

[Deleted member]

I know Sans is a third-party. My point is that the public doesn't treat all third-parties equal.

Fair enough.

 

[Lamperouge]

Spoiler

Poll made by Sabi. Sora just keeps making it into the top 3. I'm very convinced we'll be among the characters beyond the Pass given Sakurai's two statements "Pleasing as many fans" and "Bringing together many worlds".

It's nice to see Rex on there above characters like Dante, Bomberman, and 2B.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Went outside to let my dogs run and play around. Same discussion I take it?

 

[Aurane]

I know Sans is a third-party. My point is that the public doesn't treat all third-parties equal.

"Sans got in because of memes! He's not an actually popular, highly requested character!"

I had fun with that ****. Especially on reddit.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

What's wrong with side characters?
And also, there's plenty of popular franchises that need characters, dk, loz, kirby, xenoblade, just to name a few.

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with them. But people are less likely to know about them unless they’re already fans of that specific series and will have a hard time selling to general audiences.

Also, nobody NEEDS a new character.

But if I had to guess, my bets are on him doing Tingle as a Zelda Rep.

That's actually a really good thing. It's been proven that franchises that have a character make it into Smash get a BIG boost in popularity. Hell Fire Emblem was LOCALIZED because of it, Dragon Quest has finally made a pretty big splash over here (from what I can tell), and now Nintendo fans are clamoring over each other to get Persona 5 on Switch.

These smaller franchises, if added, could easily become a decent bit bigger just from the exposure alone. And that's never a bad thing.

How well has that worked for Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!!, Pikmin, ROB, Duck Hunt, Game & Watch, Ice Climber, F-Zero.

 

[Aurane]

Btw I really want a Sans salt shaker.

And a Papyrus pepper shaker. Oh god.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Btw I really want a Sans salt shaker.

And a Papyrus pepper shaker. Oh god.

Let’s hope one of the users is secretly Toby Fox.

 

[DerpingPikachu]

How do you guys think the next fighter will be revealed? I'm surprised we haven't gotten a smash direct since dlc started so maybe that?

 

[Deleted member]

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with them. But people are less likely to know about them unless they’re already fans of that specific series and will have a hard time selling to general audiences.

Also, nobody NEEDS a new character.

But if I had to guess, my bets are on him doing Tingle as a Zelda Rep.

How well has that worked for Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!!, Pikmin, ROB, Duck Hunt, Game & Watch, Ice Climber, F-Zero.

Kid Icarus in Brawl inspired a new game by Sakurai himself, which later made way for Palutena and Dark Pit for Smash.

Little Mac eventually made me try out Punch Out Wii and it's easily one of my favorite series. It's also a retro series.

Can't say Snake didn't introduce a lot of Nintendo fans to MGS for the first time

Pikmin is still getting games with its last game being only a previous console generation away.

G&W, Ice Climbers, ROB, and Duck Hunt were all intentional retro picks so marketing their series isn't a big deal.

Only outliar is FZero. That series is just dead, isn't it? Grantes its last newcomer was from Smash 64.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Hey guys, here is a funny idea I have for a playable character in Ultimate. That character is...

Spoiler

The Announcer!

Appearing as Xander Mobius in a flashy business-like suit, this guy is more than a capable fighter. He users punches and kicks like everyone else, but also uses a microphone in his hand as well as other sound based gadgets. His moveset is mostly dependent on his microphone, and without it, he can't use certain attacks. His grabs also involve the use of his microphone, while creating sound effects that harm the opponent, like how his non-grab attacks do the same thing. Here are his special moves.

B Move: Mode Shout: The Announcer shouts the name of a random mode in the game. Depending on what it is, it will cause a blurry sound effect that affects the opponent in some way. For example, saying Spirit Board will cause the opponent to get dizzy, while saying classic mode will freeze the opponent, and so on and so forth. Only mode he doesn't say is Free For All.

B Side: Boomerang Mike: The Announcer throws his microphone like a boomerang, causing damage and sound based knockback to anyone who gets hit. Like King K. Rool's crown, it may not return, and can be used as an item by other players, though when thrown by them, they don't cause sound based knockback. If the Announcer does not have his microphone when it doesn't come back, he cannot perform certain moves.

B Down: Megaphone: The Announcer pulls out a megaphone which makes a large sound, not causing damage and blowing opponents away. It can easily blow opponents off stage, but it must be used wisely, for otherwise, it will be damaged from overuse and cannot be used again for some time.

B Up: Sound Effect: The Announcer does a jump powered by powerful sound waves that power a jetpack-like object that suddenly appears when he uses this move, and suddenly disappears when at the top of his height. Anyone caught within this move's range will take a good amount of damage and knockback.

Now for the Final Smash.

Final Smash: Free-For-All! The Announcer says "Free-For-All!", which causes a sound blur to emit around his body. Those caught within the sound attack will be affected and attacked. If not, nothing happens. The Announcer then summons fighters that are not on the current fight, calling out their name as each fighter attacks the opponent in what looks like a dust cloud that they attack the opponent in. Up to four or eight (if in eight player mode) fighters can appear, and the fighters are determined by random, by the way. After a certain time period, the opponent, or opponents are launched. If they are not launced off screen, the Announcer says, "Failure." If they are knocked off, though, the Announcer says "Success!".

Side Note: When the Announcer loses a life, he says "Defeat". If he is defeated overall, the Announcer says "I am...defeated." If the Announcer wins a battle, on the victory screen, he just says "Victory!" instead of "This game's winner is...The Announcer!". If chosen on the character select screen, the Announcer will simply say "Me".

What do you guys think?

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

The VR Headset has arrived. Awesome.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

How do you guys think the next fighter will be revealed? I'm surprised we haven't gotten a smash direct since dlc started so maybe that?

No idea. After how Terry's reveal went its hard to tell how Sakurai might do it.

Though I'd love for if its Doom Slayer its an continuation toreveal trailer where as it seemsis about to be killed he comes in saving her and beats and shoots the **** out of Ridley.

"Doom Slayer Rips and Tears into Battle!"

If Ryu Hayabusa. Like in the opening of the original Ninja Gaiden withandwith one of the two defeating the other and then Ryu Hayabusa showing himself and challenges the winner.

Not sure what his tagline should be.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I love Terry, but the fact that Sans attracted more attention should've made the Anti-Smash Bubble Bubble realize that the public isn't a bunch of robots that go "THIS CHARACTER IS NOT FROM NINTENDO. I SHALL NOW CONSUME THE CHARACTER". Which is what I believe "third parties are more hype" has turned into.

We also had next to no info on Terry meaning a large chunk of what usually happens when a character gets confirmed, trailer analysis, outright couldn't happen because we saw no moves, no moves means no way of showing off how cool Terry is to people unfamiliar with him. Only reason the same didn't happen for Joker is because Joker was the only announcement then, leaving nothing to overshadow him. Hell, judging by my twitter, Sans seemed to overshadow Banjo, the intended main event of that whole day

 

[Lamperouge]

How do you guys think the next fighter will be revealed? I'm surprised we haven't gotten a smash direct since dlc started so maybe that?

The real fighter #5 was the friends we made along the way.
probably gonna be revealed in Terry's showcase video...maybe

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Kid Icarus in Brawl inspired a new game by Sakurai himself, which later made way for Palutena and Dark Pit for Smash.

Little Mac eventually made me try out Punch Out Wii and it's easily one of my favorite series. It's also a retro series.

Can't say Snake didn't introduce a lot of Nintendo fans to MGS for the first time

Pikmin is still getting games with its last game being only a previous console generation away.

G&W, Ice Climbers, ROB, and Duck Hunt were all intentional retro picks so marketing their series isn't a big deal.

Only outliar is FZero. That series is just dead, isn't it? Grantes its last newcomer was from Smash 64.

I think my point still stands. These characters inclusion in Smash didn’t become beloved or well recognized enough for Nintendo to continue any of them on current hardware.

I guess Pikmin doesn’t count as an example, but they do seem to take their bloody time with it.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The real fighter #5 was the friends we made along the way.
probably gonna be revealed in Terry's showcase video...maybe

I'm saying with Terry's reveal as well. I got a feeling our first post-Pass fighter could be revealed at the VGA if not then that's the other option where DLC fighter 5 could be revealed.

 

[TheCJBrine]

How do you guys think the next fighter will be revealed? I'm surprised we haven't gotten a smash direct since dlc started so maybe that?

*Smash Bros. intro*

Banjo and Kazooie are walking through a forest with a Smash invitation in Banjo’s hand, when suddenly they come across a glowing, purple portal. They grin, and go through. They’re in a dark cave with a light nearby; something about this world feels different. They exit the cave, find a house, and put the invitation in a strange makeshift mailbox. They head back happily, or were about to, stopping when they hear a certain miner check the mailbox, read the invitation, and turn around excitedly...

“Steve
Gets Crafty!”

 

[Deleted member]

"Sans got in because of memes! He's not an actually popular, highly requested character!"

I never got this logic. Like, someone can be a meme and still popular. Those things aren't exclusive, I think.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

How do you guys think the next fighter will be revealed? I'm surprised we haven't gotten a smash direct since dlc started so maybe that?

I had this idea

Spoiler

It’s november. We see a new trailer, starting at the exact moment the last one left off before launching into Terry’s gameplay. And a certain amount of time in, the lights in the King of Fighters arena (the stage we were shown that goes with him) goes dark, the Devil Gene tattoo appears on the Jumbo-tron, G-Corp soldiers show up and start pointing their weapons at the crowd, and Kazuya drops in from a hellicopter to challenge Terry, Ryu, and Ken. He brags about how strong he is as the gameplay goes on. Then we cut back to cinematic. Just as Ryu and Terry launch a Shinku Hadooken and a Power Geyser, his eye flashes red and he turns into his devil form (that’s what makes Kazuya such a good pick compared to his father. And unlike his son Jin, his devil form in Tekken proper is a mid-battle transformation and not a separate character). We see more gameplay before leading to a final clash between the four kings of the ring. Then the Smash logo.

 

[Deleted member]

I think my point still stands. These characters inclusion in Smash didn’t become beloved or well recognized enough for Nintendo to continue any of them on current hardware.

I guess Pikmin doesn’t count as an example, but they do seem to take their bloody time with it.

You know we're arguing for ongoing series rather than series revivals right? None of the examples SpecificGuy mentioned were from dead series.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with them. But people are less likely to know about them unless they’re already fans of that specific series and will have a hard time selling to general audiences.

Also, nobody NEEDS a new character.

But if I had to guess, my bets are on him doing Tingle as a Zelda Rep.

How well has that worked for Kid Icarus, Punch-Out!!, Pikmin, ROB, Duck Hunt, Game & Watch, Ice Climber, F-Zero.

Kid Icarus Uprising sold decently well, Pikmin 3 did good for being on a dead console, Punch-Out!! Just hasn't had a new game come out since Little Mac's debut but Punch-Out Wii sold well; ROB, Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers, and Game & Watch are much more of legacy style retro characters that were never intended to promote a specific series and thus have yet to receive sequels, and F-Zero hasn't had a new game since the Gamecube which was also a dead console and yet it still sold well for its install base, and F-Zero is ALWAYS brought up for the franchise people want revived.

Nevertheless you picked those out of a group of a lot of different franchises that have done very well due to their exposure in Smash. Bayonetta, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, Dragon Quest, etc.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Hey not everyone is gonna love everything. There's different taste in all of us. I'm a sucker for killer creatures and that's why I loved the film.

I mean, my friend liked it so thats good. Ended a bit suddenly though

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Imagine Dixie Kong's reveal being an continuation ofwith Banjo & Kazooie withandin the house until hearing something and looks through the hole of what was once the window and sees an shadowy figure that looks like Dixie until revealing to be(Maybe even since she's closer in size) only to then get knocked aside by Dixie.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

You know we're arguing for ongoing series rather than series revivals right? None of the examples SpecificGuy mentioned were from dead series.

Yeah. How many first party Nintendo series qualify then?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I mean, my friend liked it so thats good. Ended a bit suddenly though

That's one thing I'll definitely agree with. I wish we had some kind of epilogue afterwards as The Shallows (2016) had did. It would had been a nice bit of closure with what the characters were doing afterwards.

Lets do admit it though. No movie is perfect. I admit even my favorite movies of all time the Heisei Gamera Trilogy as great as they are have flaws to them.

 

[Z25]

Sure each poll we see is still short of the majority players.

However doesn’t exclude the fact that even so these polls are always carried somewhere else and yet the characters for the most part stay consistent. It’s gonna fully confirm things, but I do think a little attention should be paid to them.

Regardless there’s no way next month doesn’t have a smash direct imo

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Imagine Dixie Kong's reveal being an continuation ofwith Banjo & Kazooie withandin the house until hearing something and looks through the hole of what was once the window and sees an shadowy figure that looks like Dixie until revealing to be(Maybe even since she's closer in size)only to then get knocked aside by Dixie.

I was kinda disappointed that they just used the same formula again for the Banjo trailer. I wouldn’t want to see it again, as it would just get old.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Kid Icarus Uprising sold decently well, Pikmin 3 did good for being on a dead console, Punch-Out!! Just hasn't had a new game come out since Little Mac's debut but Punch-Out Wii sold well; ROB, Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers, and Game & Watch are much more of legacy style retro characters that were never intended to promote a specific series and thus have yet to receive sequels, and F-Zero hasn't had a new game since the Gamecube which was also a dead console and yet it still sold well for its install base, and F-Zero is ALWAYS brought up for the franchise people want revived.

Nevertheless you picked those out of a group of a lot of different franchises that have done very well due to their exposure in Smash. Bayonetta, Earthbound, Fire Emblem, Dragon Quest, etc.

Wait. How has EARTHBOUND done well? That thing hasn’t had a new game since gameboy advanced.

Anyway. The way I see it. Smash enhancing a character’s series and turning them into pop cultural mainstays is more of an anomaly than not. Because I can name way more that didn’t compared to one’s that did.

 

[Ultomato]

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I love it, thanks!

 

[Michael the Spikester]

How about we play a game guys? Think of reveals for these following characters.

-Crash Bandicoot
-Dante
-Geno
-Shantae
-Sora

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah. How many first party Nintendo series qualify then?

Depends on where you draw the line with popularity. All Nonspecific argued was that there was a boost in popularity and notoriety for characters in Smash, and then cited extreme examples where it made impacts on gaming and fan demand.

That's actually a really good thing. It's been proven that franchises that have a character make it into Smash get a BIG boost in popularity.

You're twisting his argument by saying characters need a new game to be more recognizable, but that's irrelevant. What matters more in this case is what fans think, not what developers think. Like you can't argue that the number of people who knew Pit and Little Mac didn't rise after their inclusions in Smash. That's what we're talking about.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Wait. How has EARTHBOUND done well? That thing hasn’t had a new game since gameboy advanced.

That’s because Itoi considered it finished. He may have made a new game (if I remember what he said correctly), but he wasn’t just a game developer, he had many jobs. The Mother games, if I recall, were the only games he worked on and lead development of.

There’s also stuff like the “C’mon Reggie, Give Us Mother 3!” meme that Reggie has acknowledged multiple times including at E3 when NoA put together a funny skit for it.

Now we have to beg the Koopa King.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Wait. How has EARTHBOUND done well? That thing hasn’t had a new game since gameboy advanced.

Anyway. The way I see it. Smash enhancing a character’s series and turning them into pop cultural mainstays is more of an anomaly than not. Because I can name way more that didn’t compared to one’s that did.

I have no doubt that the ports sold pretty well.