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[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Hey everyone. How's it goi--
*sees topic that's being discussed*
Yeah...Imma just come back later.

We all should look at the camera like we are on The Office.

 

[Deleted member]

That's just transphobia, my man

It's a ****ing fantasy land where people shoot out fireballs from their hands, transitioning methods would just be magical.

And again, there's nothing to indicate she's cis either, so what gives?

When someone says what gender they are, I roll with it. Any trait that doesn't apply to societal gender norms doesn't make anybody less of a man or woman. I've seen buff as **** men paint their fingernails and I know women who are plenty capable of kicking my ass in real life just on strength alone. Are they trans? I don't know, but I don't think that's important. It shouldn't be important, right? It's they're gender that decides what pronouns I use, anyways, and I know it's a sensitive subject. On the other end of the spectrum, a lot of cis women I've met are very insecure about looking like a guy. If I went about and assumed as such in anyway, it would devastate them. I also know some men who don't like "looking girly" or something like that. Yes, they're insecure, but that doesn't change the fact it's rude to assume and you have no real basis to prove it as fact.

As a result, I think it would be rude to assume if someone is trans, similar to how it would be rude of me to assume you are a guy given your physical traits.

 

[Opossum]

Headcanons are all well and good but when you try to pass them off as fact to people who don't know better, that's an issue.

 

[TheMightyP]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Spidey is out of the MCU

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

We all should look at the camera like we are on The Office.

I do a lot of Jim Halpert reactions without realizing it until afterward sometimes when awkward situations happen.

The Office is a big part of my life haha

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Don't let this distract you from the fact that Spidey is out of the MCU

I cant believe you've done this

 

[Metal Shop X]

To think a debate like this come from a character who is considered one of the nicest character in the game, and share a name with a car brand.

Really make you think, huh?

 

[Deleted member]

Someone brought up “The Office”.

I really want to check out that show, but it sadly seems to not be available in Spain.

I heard great things about John Krasinski’s acting on that show.

 

[Lollipopped]

This right here is why I keep all of my headcanons in fanfiction

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

Someone brought up “The Office”.

I really want to check out that show, but it sadly seems to not be available in Spain.

I heard great things about John Krasinski’s acting on that show.

I mean, you could get a VPN perhaps. Or purchase the DVDs on Amazon and then watch them on your laptop.

 

[Deleted member]

Gwen said what she believed in and got disrespected by it, nothing she said was disrespectful at all so I don't see what you're talking about.

Insisting your headcanon is canon is already problematic in itself, But when you go around claiming someone is trans based on arbitrary features, then it's very disrespectful. That's basically saying all transwomen have thick eyebrows and an overcompensated girlish voice. I wonder how well that would go if you told that an actual person to their face.

 

[Deleted member]

When someone says what gender they are, I roll with it. Any trait that doesn't apply to societal gender norms doesn't make anybody less of a man or woman. I've seen buff as **** men paint their fingernails and I know women who are plenty capable of kicking my *** in real life just on strength alone. Are they trans? I don't know, but I don't think that's important. It shouldn't be important, right? It's they're gender that decides what pronouns I use, anyways, and I know it's a sensitive subject. On the other end of the spectrum, a lot of cis women I've met are very insecure about looking like a guy. If I went about and assumed as such in anyway, it would devastate them. I also know some men who don't like "looking girly" or something like that. Yes, they're insecure, but that doesn't change the fact it's rude to assume and you have no real basis to prove it as fact.

As a result, I think it would be rude to assume if someone is trans, similar to how it would be rude of me to assume you are a guy given your physical traits.

We're not even talking about real people, we're talking about fictional characters.
Assuming, for example, a girl is cis or trans is wrong either way, not because assuming her as trans would imply she "looks like a man" which has another set of unfortunate implications I don't think you understand, but because you shouldn't assume what people are either way.

Headcanons are all well and good but when you try to pass them off as fact to people who don't know better, that's an issue.

But... no one did...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Smh y'all are probably gonna say Manuela is straight because the game said so despite how she hits on femByleth or that Madeline Celeste is cis and that her having short hair as a kid and a transflag shown in her room is merely a coincidence

 

[Opossum]

But... no one did...

It's exactly why this whole thing started. Gwen tried to get Snake more accepting of Fire Emblem by telling her it had a bisexual trans girl. That's literally imposing headcanon as canon in a misleading way.

 

[osby]

I read characters as queer all the time, but I don't see what's the big deal with other people not doing it. Each to their own, unless we are talking about obviously intentional subtext.

 

[Deleted member]

Insisting your headcanon is canon is already problematic in itself, But when you go around claiming someone is trans based on arbitrary features, then it's very disrespectful. That's basically saying all transwomen have thick eyebrows and an overcompensated girlish voice. I wonder how well that would go if you told that an actual person to their face.

Did you... did you not read anything that I said?

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

You're saying to assume all characters are cis until stated otherwise. That implies you're assuming cis is the "default".
I'm not saying trans people aren't a minority, because we are, but we're still talking about one(1) character in a game with, what, at least 50 of them? By this logic, at least one of them should be trans.

Gwen said what she believed in and got disrespected by it, nothing she said was disrespectful at all so I don't see what you're talking about.

What's with "cis" being the default? How is this somehow anti-trans?

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Smh y'all are probably gonna say Manuela is straight because the game said so despite how she hits on femByleth or that Madeline Celeste is cis and that her having short hair as a kid and a transflag shown in her room is merely a coincidence

Making assumptions and trying to make us look bad really isn’t helping anyone here. I don’t know if you think it makes you look better or what, but please, just cut it out. It’s a big condescending.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Is nobody going to point out that in several of Mercedes’s endings it says she had kids, and therefore a fully functioning female reproductive system.

 

[Deleted member]

Some of you all need a chill pill.

 

[Deleted member]

You're saying to assume all characters are cis until stated otherwise. That implies you're assuming cis is the "default".

Mate if I don't assume a woman is trans irl or in fiction, that's because I'm making every effort in believing that person is a woman. Why?

1. Whether someone is trans shouldn't change how I interact with them on a day-to-day environment or workspace setting. If gender is what decides the pronouns, then being trans is meaningless to me.
2. For the record, when I say trans, I go off of the definition "a person who emotionally and psychologically feels that they belong to the opposite sex." Now how am I supposed to know if someone believes they belong to the opposite sex? I am in no mental state to assume such, and I know the topic is sensitive to people. It's not in my place to just ask every person either, so I don't even bother humoring speculation.

It has nothing to do with "dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people. "

We're not even talking about real people, we're talking about fictional characters.

When you pass off your headcanon as fact, you give reasoning as I said before. If it's just "I have traits that match this character," then that's fine. However, saying that and "this person is trans" give the wrong impression fast. If you can't understand how you word things matter, then this conversation wont go anywhere.

 

[Deleted member]

Some of you all need a chill pill.

I unironically take some pills like those for my hyperactivity.

 

[TheMightyP]

Oh, I get it, everyone's upset because they didn't eay breakfast and is now hungry. And you know what they say, you're not you when you're hungry

Eat now

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Making assumptions and trying to make us look bad really isn’t helping anyone here. I don’t know if you think it makes you look better or what, but please, just cut it out. It’s a big condescending.

Lmao acting like "NUH UH NOT REALISTIC" or "I NEED UNDENIABLE PROOF IN THIS AMBIGIOUS ASS GAME" isn't condescending either

 

[Metal Shop X]

To talk about something else in all this chaos, I like that my shortest level, the one where you have to finish the level with Red Yoshi, seem to be like one of my hardest & least favourite level, despite the fact it doesn't have like Kaizo difficulty to it.

Also, my first level is almost at 100 stars, and it got a few Eggman's Moon comments on it.

I'm so proud of this community.

 

[Deleted member]

Did you... did you not read anything that I said?

I very much did read it, doesn't mean it's not wrong though. And doing this fake stuttering doesn't really make you look better. Also disagreeing with someone and calling said person out is not being disrespectful either, like you tried to say last page.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh, I get it, everyone's upset because they didn't eay breakfast and is now hungry. And you know what they say, you're not you when your hungry

Eat now

It is 2:37pm where I live, lol.

Doh I feel pretty awesome after the amount of exercise I did earlier today.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, I’m a gamer.

G - Think
A - Some
M - People
E - Here
R - Should
- Chill
- Out

 

[Opossum]

Smh y'all are probably gonna say Manuela is straight because the game said so despite how she hits on femByleth or that Madeline Celeste is cis and that her having short hair as a kid and a transflag shown in her room is merely a coincidence

I think there are major differences between those cases and this one. Madeline, based on what you said, is already trans coded by the presence of the flag, making it an absolutely sound interpretation of the character. Manuela shares many traits with her protege, Dorothea, who is also bisexual, and some of Manuela's same sex endings can definitely be read romantically.

But there's a big difference between those cases, which have clear things supporting them, and claiming it's canon that Mercedes is trans based on much more tenuous "evidence" and acting as though calling it into question is problematic.

 

[Guh-Huzzah!]

Lmao acting like "NUH UH NOT REALISTIC" or "I NEED UNDENIABLE PROOF IN THIS AMBIGIOUS *** GAME" isn't condescending either

Literally no one said that. All we said was that you shouldn’t go around passing your headcanons off as facts.

 

[TheMightyP]

It is 2:37pm where I live, lol.

Doh I feel pretty awesome after the amount of exercise I did earlier today.

It's never too early for a Snickers.

Eat up.

 

[ZephyrZ]

At this point it's looking like mods might need to step in.

I'm not going to point fingers at anyone in particular but this is getting way too heated.

Let's all agree to drop this topic before we get in trouble.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Literally no one said that. All we said was that you shouldn’t go around passing your headcanons off as facts.

Considering people are claiming she has kids and magical all fantasy Fire Emblem means we have to take realism of modernday medicine into account I'd say they're indeed saying that

 

[Deleted member]

It's never too early for a Snickers.

Eat up.

But Mighty, I can’t take all the exercise I made today into waste.

And I already took a small ice cream because my father really wanted me to take one and that was enough already to refresh me alongside the water.

 

[Deleted member]

Smh y'all are probably gonna say Manuela is straight because the game said so despite how she hits on femByleth

I mean, this is really IS's fault for not making Manuela a bi option, but if she can't marry female Byleth (a character who has no issue bedding with every available option that corresponds to their appropriate sexuality), I kind of have to assume straight until proven otherwise.

or that Madeline Celeste is cis and that her having short hair as a kid and a transflag shown in her room is merely a coincidence

Gotta be real with ya, Gwen. I never knew this because it never appeared in Celeste to my knowledge. Perhaps it's in the DLC.

 

[Lollipopped]

Oh, I get it, everyone's upset because they didn't eay breakfast and is now hungry. And you know what they say, you're not you when you're hungry

Eat now

Thanks for reminding me to eat breakfast. Otherwise I probably would have skipped out

 

[Shyy_Guy595]

This kinda reminds me of the really adamant people who think Samus is a trans woman.

Good on y'all and I do love some food for thought, but It's clear as day that Nintendo clearly didn't put in such thoughts regarding a character and their gender since it's apparently something YOU have to interpret for yourself and we all know their track record regarding identity politics; that is to say they basically shrug at **** like this.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

At this point it's looking like mods might need to step in.

I'm not going to point fingers at anyone in particular but this is getting way too heated.

Let's all agree to drop this topic before we get in trouble.

I mean... is ANYONE really getting heated about this? I left then cause my lunch break was over and I'm leaving now cause my afternoon break is nearly over and I don't really get the impression anyone's currently heated

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I unironically take some pills like those for my hyperactivity.

I used to take conserta but didnt like taking pills my whole life so I just stopped cold Turkey

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

At this point it's looking like mods might need to step in.

I'm not going to point fingers at anyone in particular but this is getting way too heated.

Let's all agree to drop this topic before we get in trouble.

Its not even heated. Can people not have a minor disagreement and discussion without mod intervention?