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[Deleted member]

yes this is a real cropped screenshot

 

[SnakeFighter64]

byleth has a whip sword, I think that's pretty cool imo

So does Ivy Valentine (a Namco character). And she’s not from Fire Emblem. They need to do something completely unique to get in at this point.

#NoHouses.

 

[Gyrom8]

Okay. If we get any Three Houses Character at all, I want it to be Byleth, done Pokémon Trainer style with all three students. And before you say that doesn’t make sense because you only pick one, that’s basically the same thing in Pokémon and nobody cares that that’s how Pokémon works.

I'm not that keen on another FE rep right now so I dunno how I'd feel about three more at once (given that's what Pokemon Trainer essentially is to Pokemon)

 

[BlueMonk]

So does Ivy Valentine (a Namco character). And she’s not from Fire Emblem. They need to do something completely unique to get in at this point.

#NoHouses.

I guess you're right, but Ivy isn't in smash and wouldn't get in before Nightmare, assuming a SC character happens at all

 

[Gentlepanda]

tfw people want to see popular nintendo characters get into a popular nintendo fighting game

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I guess you're right, but Ivy isn't in smash and wouldn't get in before Nightmare, assuming a SC character happens at all

I always thought of Ivy as the SoulCalibur mascot.

 

[BlueMonk]

I always thought of Ivy as the SoulCalibur mascot.

She's one of the more popular characters, but I'm pretty sure she's not the mascot

 

[SnakeFighter64]

tfw people want to see popular nintendo characters get into a popular nintendo fighting game

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Fire Emblem has to many characters relative to its size and popularity. It’s smaller than Mario but has more characters than Zelda. That’s not right. Maybe if it wasn’t “everyone is here” and there were only two or three total. But there are 7. It can not go up to 8.

 

[GhostM]

She's one of the more popular characters, but I'm pretty sure she's not the mascot

I thought it was Mitsurugi.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

I thought it was Mitsurugi.

He’s the character Namco SAYS is the mascot. But when you ask the average Joe who it is, almost no one would say Mitsurugi.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Fire Emblem has to many characters relative to its size and popularity. It’s smaller than Mario but has more characters than Zelda. That’s not right. Maybe if it wasn’t “everyone is here” and there were only two or three total. But there are 7. It can not go up to 8.

Hey, who says you make the rules?

Sakurai can do whatever the heck he wants.

 

[GhostM]

He’s the character Namco SAYS is the mascot. But when you ask the average Joe who it is, almost no one would say Mitsurugi.

Damn the average Joe wouldn’t say Mitsurugi. I feel dumb now.
*Edited for name privacy, sorry lol

 

[Opossum]

Okay then. You had a chance to win me over to wanting a Three Houses Rep. but the only actually interesting thing you could do with the characters apparently won’t work so back to staunch opposition I go.

#NoHouses

Battalions. It's a mechanic unique to Three Houses that doesn't completely go against the point of the game by having the three house leaders fight together.

Fire Emblem has to many characters relative to its size and popularity. It’s smaller than Mario but has more characters than Zelda. That’s not right. Maybe if it wasn’t “everyone is here” and there were only two or three total. But there are 7. It can not go up to 8.

Also lol at thinking a sixteen game series, not including spin offs, with a constantly changing cast should only get three characters.

 

[BlueMonk]

He’s the character Namco SAYS is the mascot. But when you ask the average Joe who it is, almost no one would say Mitsurugi.

if we're being honest nowadays the average joe probably can't name any soul caliber characters

 

[Metal Shop X]

You know, before playing Three Houses, I was pretty cold about getting another FE character.

Now? I am a changed man, Byleth, Edie, Dimitri, Claudie, whatever, gimmie that good ****.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Battalions. It's a mechanic unique to Three Houses that doesn't completely go against the point of the game by having the three house leaders fight together.


Also lol at thinking a sixteen game series, not including spin offs, with a constantly changing cast should only get three characters.

Okay, first, what’s a battalion?

Second, blame the story trailer from the E3 direct for making me think it was possible.

Third. It doesn’t matter how many games it’s had. It’s not as popular or big in the public perception. And as far as I’m concerned, it’s cheating. It makes new characters for every single title. So it’s impossible to know which ones stand the test of time and are truly iconic. Because a loud fan base exists for each of those 16 games. That’s rediculous. Whereas other franchises which keep the same protagonist each tin don’t have nearly as many characters.

 

[Deleted member]

can we stop arguing and agree that every character in smash did something to deserve the spot

 

[Gentlepanda]

can we stop arguing and agree that every character in smash did something to deserve the spot

even wendy?

 

[Metal Shop X]

even wendy?

First female bad guy.

I guess that count.

 

[Deleted member]

even wendy?

uh
yeah
she's a koopaling
y'know, the most iconic group of mario villains?

 

[Lore]

I was going to ask why Goth has been back so much lately, but then I remembered that it's August.

June and July were such a blur.

 

[Deleted member]

I was going to ask why Goth has been back so much lately, but then I remembered that it's August.

June and July were such a blur.

Haha, hi! It's nice to see you, too.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

Found this cute:

🎆#SSBU #スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/rV6hwFkQXn

— あおひと (@a_o_hi_to) August 6, 2019

 

[Schnee117]

Hey, who says you make the rules?

Sakurai can do whatever the heck he wants.

"Okay"
*Adds Gatekeeper-kun*

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Isn’t there supposed to be a leak today? When’s that happening?

 

[BlueMonk]

Okay, first, what’s a battalion?

Second, blame the story trailer from the E3 direct for making me think it was possible.

Third. It doesn’t matter how many games it’s had. It’s not as popular or big in the public perception. And as far as I’m concerned, it’s cheating. It makes new characters for every single title. So it’s impossible to know which ones stand the test of time and are truly iconic. Because a loud fan base exists for each of those 16 games. That’s rediculous. Whereas other franchises which keep the same protagonist each tin don’t have nearly as many characters.

Well, there are definitely some protags that are more popular than others. Its not "cheating", its just keeping things fresh, people would get tired of Marth after 16 games. You could say similar things about Pokemon. A franchise that keeps the same characters every game would naturally have less characters.

 

[Gentlepanda]

"Okay"
*Adds Gatekeeper-kun*

GATEKEEPER Reports In!

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Well, there are definitely some protags that are more popular than others. Its not "cheating", its just keeping things fresh, people would get tired of Marth after 16 games. You could say similar things about Pokemon. A franchise that keeps the same characters every game would naturally have less characters.

Except it has more characters than one of the top dogs and there are plenty of Zelda characters he could have done. So what makes Fire Emblem more important than Nintendo’s second/third biggest franchise behind Mario and Pokémon. If you looked at Smash, you’d think their three most popular series were Pokémon, Mario, and Fire Emblem. Which just isn’t true.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

with all the hero hate and stuff cause of the RNG

if banjo had something similar, maybe an infinite combo or a zero to death, do you think people would be parading on the streets for a ban too, or would they not do it because it's banjo

i have a feeling they wouldnt because its Banjo and westerners are hypocrites

 

[BlueMonk]

Except it has more characters than one of the top dogs and there are plenty of Zelda characters he could have done. So what makes Fire Emblem more important than Nintendo’s second/third biggest franchise behind Mario and Pokémon. If you looked at Smash, you’d think their three most popular series were Pokémon, Mario, and Fire Emblem. Which just isn’t true.

That's an issue with the amount of Zelda characters, not the FE ones. In the end Smash isn't meant to be some sort of museum to accurately portray Nintendo's history, its just a game about cool characters fighting each other. Sakurai doesn't care if the roster accurately represents the amount of sales a series gets or whatever, he just adds the characters he likes.

 

[Metal Shop X]

"Okay"
*Adds Gatekeeper-kun*

ngl, I buy Gatekeeper DLC right the moment he is avaible.

Dude such a bro, he deserve it.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I kinda believe in higher forces, sort of. I don’t talk about it because I hate pushing it on people, but I do.

And I kinda think Shroob’s mystery Switch was a bit of divine intervention, so to speak.

But that’s just me.

Its pretty sus if you ask me

 

[SnakeFighter64]

That's an issue with the amount of Zelda characters, not the FE ones. In the end Smash isn't meant to be some sort of museum to accurately portray Nintendo's history, its just a game about cool characters fighting each other. Sakurai doesn't care if the roster accurately represents the amount of sales a series gets or whatever, he just adds the characters he likes.

Dude. No. That can’t be how it works. In no way is that how it works. If it was, we’d have gotten Mach Rider, Chorus Kids, Ayumi Tachibana, and Geno by now.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

This whole, “This series isn’t big enough to warrant that many characters” is a farce.

Like I get it, there are characters that people don’t want because they want other characters instead. I personally don’t actually expect Byleth or Edelgard (let’s face it, it would be one of those two or nobody), but to act as if Zelda isn’t represented well in general is rather silly. Aside from characters, you get:

Stages (Zelda has 9 actual locations; Fire Emblem has two generic stages and one actual location from the games)
Music
Spirits
Assist Trophies (Zelda has 5, Fire Emblem has 3)
Bosses

On top of that, “proper representation” is subjective and arbitrary, which means it has zero objective standing in determining if a character should get in or not.

The idea that unique, and popular, move sets should be cut out of the game simply because another series doesn’t have that many playable characters completely disregards everything else in the game, especially with a fighting game that has a healthy competitive scene. Yes, Smash can be both a party game AND fighting game.

For the record, there’s been demand for every Fire Emblem character in Smash at one point or another, except basically Corrin.

Spoiler: Spoiler

No offense to anybody, but I’m kinda just tired of the “reps” argument and acting as if characters are the only thing that matters when it is clearly the opposite. I understand that people want more stuff represented; I do myself. I’d like to see the crossover get bigger. However, we have to remember that at the end of the day, this is a game, and not a hall of fame exhibit. Characters are typically added when they fit an archetype, have popularity, are unique...some combination of those ideas and others. That is why Roy is in Smash after being cut. Move set is why Corrin is in. Move set and archetype are a big reason for Ike. Move set and popularity of Awakening are why Robin and Lucina are in. Chrom got in through popularity.

If a Three Houses pick was chosen, I have no doubts that the character in question, probably Byleth or Edelgard (an axe user that people have been pining for, just as an example) would be made unique and fun for a lot of people.

I also think folks should play games they haven’t already before. It can be eye opening.

 

[Lore]

Except it has more characters than one of the top dogs and there are plenty of Zelda characters he could have done. So what makes Fire Emblem more important than Nintendo’s second/third biggest franchise behind Mario and Pokémon. If you looked at Smash, you’d think their three most popular series were Pokémon, Mario, and Fire Emblem. Which just isn’t true.

To be fair, Zelda has a ton of reps. Link, Young Link, Toon Link, Ganon, Zelda, Shiek. It's just that two of them are "clones" (but not really).

There are so many interesting characters that they could pull from for Zelda, though, and it's a shame that they haven't. I'd kill for Vaati.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

To be fair, Zelda has a ton of reps. Link, Young Link, Toon Link, Ganon, Zelda, Shiek. It's just that two of them are "clones" (but not really).

There are so many interesting characters that they could pull from for Zelda, though, and it's a shame that they haven't. I'd kill for Vaati.

Vaati, Tetra, Impa (Sheik Echo), maybe Ganon and Tingle. Plenty to pick from. No idea why there isn’t any.

 

[BlueMonk]

Dude. No. That can’t be how it works. In no way is that how it works. If it was, we’d have gotten Mach Rider, Chorus Kids, Ayumi Tachibana, and Geno by now.

Mach Rider was decided against because Sakurai thought he was too similar to Captain Falcon. Ayumi was decided against because Sakurai couldn't figure out a way to make a moveset. We don't know why he didn't put in Chorus Kids and Geno. None of those examples disprove my point. Obviously popularity plays a part, but in the end it comes down to what Sakurai wants to put in, and if he wants more FE characters than there will be more FE characters.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd kill for Vaati.

Oh hell yeah, Vaati gang rise UP

 

[Lore]

Vaati, Tetra, Impa (Sheik Echo), maybe Ganon and Tingle. Plenty to pick from. No idea why there isn’t any.

Honestly it's probably to keep the well from drying up too early. Ultimate seems to be going wide rather than deep for franchises, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that it's because they want to save room for later games/rosters.

Not too many franchises got new reps, minus the ones who were starved for them or masssively fan-requested. Ridley, K Rool, etc. Like wasn't the only Mario addition Daisy, who barely counts?

Edit: And Piranha Plant, but that was DLC lol

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Mach Rider was decided against because Sakurai thought he was too similar to Captain Falcon. Ayumi was decided against because Sakurai couldn't figure out a way to make a moveset. We don't know why he didn't put in Chorus Kids and Geno. None of those examples disprove my point. Obviously popularity plays a part, but in the end it comes down to what Sakurai wants to put in, and if he wants more FE characters than there will be more FE characters.

Except it does. Because he likes these characters and wants to include them. They are his personal favorites. And if he puts his personal favorites aside to focus on other series that are more popular, then that’s how he should treat everything.