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So, this is definitely an original idea...

Ishiey

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...not.

So a lot of other boards have made these things that I'm sure you've seen, apparently Onishiba started it. Basically, you post a number for Wolf's matchup with each character in Brawl, and then we can get a good idea of how people feel about matchups in general. Please note that this is not meant to detract from actual matchup discussions in the matchup thread, it should be thought of more as a survey of sorts.

Since everyone has had different experiences against each character, there will obviously be differing opinions on some matchups. If you're curious as to why someone thinks a matchup is easier than you do, ask them about it, hopefully they can give you a tip or whatever to help out. Matchups, while based on character properties, fluctuate from person to person based on playstyle and general thought process, so don't always think that just because so-and-so says it's an even matchup you'll be able to play it as such with their advice.

BUT THIS PART IS IMPORTANT: Don't go around saying crap like "lol wolf vs snake isn't 50-50" if someone else says that they think it is. This stuff is opinion-based, if you disagree with someone else's opinion don't try to prove them wrong or anything of the sort. Just let them think what they think and post your matchup thoughts, if they see that you have it down as easier and want to know why they'll ask. Be supportive :)


So, on to the actual thing. If you want to put a little description next to a matchup (please try to keep it brief though) go ahead, and most importantly MARK THE MATCHUPS YOU DO NOT THINK YOU HAVE VERY MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH BY PUTTING AN ASTERISK (*) IN FRONT OF THE CHARACTER. Caps lock is fun. But yeah, be sure to mark them so you don't mislead others, or you can alternatively leave the character out of your list.

General rules about matchup ratios: anywhere in the 5-point difference range is considered even. 60-40 and 65-35 show an advantage, 70-30 and up show a strong advantage. Just to make sure everyone is using the same scale :p You can just write advantage/disadvantage/even, etc if you want as well.

Here are all the characters (other than Wolf), you can copy and paste it, then post your matchup #s and whatnot.
Bowser -
Captain Falcon -
Diddy Kong -
Donkey Kong -
Falco -
Fox -
Game and Watch -
Ganondorf -
Ice Climbers -
Ike -
Jigglypuff -
King DeDeDe -
Kirby -
Link -
Lucario -
Lucas -
Luigi -
Mario -
Marth -
Meta Knight -
Ness -
Olimar -
Peach -
Pikachu -
Pit -
Pokemon Trainer -
Squirtle -
Ivysaur -
Charizard -
R.O.B. -
Samus -
Sheik -
Snake -
Sonic -
Toon Link -
Wario -
Yoshi -
Zelda -
Zero Suit Samus -
Zelda+Sheik -
If enough people put their matchups down, maybe I'll put an average or something in the OP.

Also, why the **** can I never condense what I want to say :<

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Red Arremer

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Actually I started that, but some stole the idea (Xyro and UTD Zac, at the very least) and ported it to the character boards.
Though I still oppose the stupid numbers. <_<
 

Ishiey

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D: Okay, I'll put you in the OP.

I'm against numbers in general too, but it's the best way to get an idea of how difficult people think a matchup is. People could alternatively just write even, advantage, or disadvantage though, if uncomfortable with #s.

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Red Arremer

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The problem the numbers have is the fact that 60:40 for X is 55:45 for Y, etc.

It's stupid because noone knows exactly what the numbers mean. Thus I'm absolutely opposed using them, since they're just as subjective as music taste.
 

castorpollux

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Bowser - 60:40
Captain Falcon - 60:40
Diddy Kong - 50:50
Donkey Kong - 60:40
Falco - 50:50
Fox - 50:50
Game and Watch - 50:50
Ganondorf - 70:30
Ice Climbers - 50:50
Ike - 60:40
Jigglypuff - 60:40
King DeDeDe - 35:65
Kirby - 50:50
Link - 60:40
Lucario - 50:50
Lucas - 65:35
Luigi - 50:50
Mario - 60:40
Marth - 50:50
Meta Knight - 40:60
Ness - 70:30
Olimar - 50:50
Peach - 50:50
Pikachu - 40:60
Pit - 50:50
Pokemon Trainer - 50:50
Squirtle - 50:50
Ivysaur - 50:50
Charizard - 50:50
R.O.B. - 45:55
Samus - 50:50
Sheik - 50:50
Snake - 40:60
Sonic - 50:50
Toon Link - 50:50
Wario - 40:60
Yoshi - 50:50
Zelda - 55:45
Zero Suit Samus - 50:50
Zelda+Sheik - 50:50


Let it be known, I'm very lazy and don't really care about match-up numbers. There are also plenty of matchups that I have no idea what the numbers are
 

tedeth

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Bowser - Never played a good Bowser
Captain Falcon - 60:40
Diddy Kong - 50:50
Donkey Kong - 60:40
Falco - 50:50
Fox - 55:45
Game and Watch - 50:50
Ganondorf - 70:30
Ice Climbers - 50:50
Ike - 60:40
Jigglypuff - 65:35
King DeDeDe - 30:70
Kirby - 50:50
Link - 60:40
Lucario - 50:50
Lucas - 60:40
Luigi - 55:45
Mario - 50:50
Marth - 45:55
Meta Knight -40:60
Ness - 65:35
Olimar - 60:40
Peach - 50:50
Pikachu - 65:35
Pit - 50:50
Pokemon Trainer - 60:40
Squirtle - 50:50
Ivysaur - 65:35
Charizard - 60:40
R.O.B. - 40:60
Samus - 60:40
Sheik - 45:55
Snake - 50:50
Sonic - 60:40
Toon Link - 50:50
Wario - 40:60
Yoshi - 60:40
Zelda - Never played a good Zelda
Zero Suit Samus - 60:40
Zelda+Sheik - Again, never played a good Zelda.

Alot of these are really based on my own experience in the Australian scene combined with my theoretical knowledge about the matchups.
 

KRDsonic

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*Captain Falcon - 60:40
Diddy Kong - 45:55
Donkey Kong - 50:50
Falco - 50:50
Fox - 55:45
Game and Watch - 45:55
*Ganondorf - 65:35
Ice Climbers - 50:50
*Jigglypuff - 60:40
King DeDeDe - 35:65
Kirby - 55:45
*Link - 60:40
*Lucario - 55:45
Lucas - 60:40
Luigi - 45:55
Mario - 60:40
Marth - 50:50
Meta Knight - 40:60
Ness - 60:40
Olimar - 50:50
*Pikachu - 35:65
*Pit - 45:55
Pokemon Trainer - 60:40
Squirtle - 45:55
Ivysaur - 65:35
Charizard - 60:40
R.O.B. - 35:65
Snake - 45:55
*Sonic - 55:45
Toon Link - 55:45
Wario - 45:55
*Yoshi - 60:40
*Zelda - 60:40
 

~ Gheb ~

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Bowser - 55/45
*Captain Falcon - 65/35
Diddy Kong - 50/50
Donkey Kong - 50/50
*Falco - 45/55
*Fox - 55/45
Game and Watch - 50/50
*Ganondorf - 70/30
Ice Climbers - 50/50
Ike - 65/35
*Jigglypuff - 60/40
King DeDeDe - 35/65
Kirby - 60/40
*Link - 65/35
Lucario - 50/50
Lucas - 60/40
Luigi - 55/45
Mario - 55/45
Marth - 50/50
Meta Knight - 40/60
Ness - 55/45
*Olimar - 50/50
Peach - 55/45
*Pikachu - 40/60
*Pit - 50/50
Pokemon Trainer - 50/50
Squirtle - 45/55
Ivysaur - 60/40
Charizard - 50/50
R.O.B. - 50/50
Samus - 60/40
Sheik - 40/60
Snake - 40/60
Sonic - 55/45
*Toon Link - 55/45
Wario - 40/60
Yoshi - 60/40
*Zelda - 60/40
Zero Suit Samus - 55/45
Zelda+Sheik - 40/60

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Bowser - 55:45
Captain Falcon - 65:35
Diddy Kong - 50:50
Donkey Kong - 90:10
Falco - 45:55
Fox - 55:45
Game and Watch - 50:50
Ganondorf - 70:30
Ice Climbers - 50:50
Ike - 60:40
Jigglypuff - 65:35
King DeDeDe - 30:70
Kirby - 55:45
Link - 65:35
Lucario - 50:50
Lucas - 65:35
Luigi - 45:55
Mario - 55:45
Marth - 50:50
Meta Knight - 40:60
Ness - 70:30
Olimar - 55:45
Peach - 55:45
Pikachu - 40:60
Pit - 50:50
Pokemon Trainer - 50:50
Squirtle - 50:50
Ivysaur - 50:50
Charizard - 50:50
R.O.B. - 45:55
Samus - 50:50
Sheik - 45:55
Snake - 40:60
Sonic - 50:50
Toon Link - 50:50
Wario - 45:55
Yoshi - 50:50
Zelda - 55:45
Zero Suit Samus - 40:60
Zelda+Sheik - 50:50
 

_Kain_

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Bowser - 60-40
Captain Falcon - 60-40
Diddy Kong - 50-50
Donkey Kong - 60-40
Falco - 45-55
Fox - 55-45
Game and Watch - 45-55
Ganondorf - 65-35
Ice Climbers - 50-50
Ike - 60-40
Jigglypuff - 65-35
King DeDeDe - 35-65
Kirby - 55-45
Link - 60-40
Lucario - 50-50
Lucas - 60-40
Luigi - 55-45
Mario - 60-40
Marth - 50-50
Meta Knight - 35-65
Ness - 60-40
Olimar - 50-50
Peach - 50-50
Pikachu - 40-60
Pit - 50-50
Pokemon Trainer - 55-45
Squirtle - 50-50
Ivysaur - 60-40
Charizard - 50-50
R.O.B. - 45-55
Samus - 60-40
Sheik - 45-55
Snake - 40-60
Sonic - 50-50
Toon Link - 50-50
Wario - 40-60
Yoshi - 55-45
Zelda - 60-40
Zero Suit Samus - 45-55
Zelda+Sheik - 50-50
 

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Bowser - 60-40
Captain Falcon - 65-35
Diddy Kong - 50-50
Donkey Kong - 55-45
Falco - 40-60
Fox - 55-45
Game and Watch - 50-50
Ganondorf - 70-30
Ice Climbers - 50-50
Ike - 65-35
Jigglypuff - 70-30
King DeDeDe - 30-70
Kirby -55-45
Link - 55-45
Lucario - 50-50
Lucas - 60-40
Luigi - 60-40
Mario - 60-40
Marth - 55-45
Meta Knight - 35-65
Ness - 60-40
Olimar - 60-40
Peach - 50-50
Pikachu - 40-60
Pit - 50-50
Pokemon Trainer - 50-50
Squirtle - 60-40
Ivysaur - 45-55
Charizard - 45-55
R.O.B. - 45-55
Samus - 60-40
Sheik - 40-60
Snake - 45-55
Sonic - 55-45
Toon Link - 50-50
Wario - 40-60
Yoshi - 55-45
Zelda -60-40
Zero Suit Samus - 50-50
Zelda+Sheik - 40-60
 

JCav

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Bowser -60-40
Captain Falcon -60-40
Diddy Kong -50-50
Donkey Kong -55-45
Falco -45-55
Fox -50-50
Game and Watch -60-40
Ganondorf -70-30
Ice Climbers -40-60
Ike -60-40
*Jigglypuff -60-40
King DeDeDe -70-30
*Kirby -50-50
*Link -60-40
Lucario -50-50
Lucas -60-40
Luigi -50-50
Mario -50-50
Marth -40-60
Meta Knight -35-65
*Ness -60-40
Olimar -50-50
Peach -50-50
Pikachu -40-60
Pit -60-40
*Pokemon Trainer -50-50
Squirtle -50-50
Ivysaur -50-50
Charizard -50-50
R.O.B. -60-40
*Samus -60-40
Sheik -50-50
Snake -40-60
*Sonic -60-40
*Toon Link -60-40
Wario -40-60
Yoshi -60-40
Zelda -60-40
Zero Suit Samus -60-40
Zelda+Sheik -50-50
 

ArcPoint

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Bowser - Even ish
Captain Falcon - Advantage
Diddy Kong - Slight advantage.
Donkey Kong - Advantage
Falco - Disadvantage
Fox - Slight disadvantage
Game and Watch - Even ish
Ganondorf - Advantage
Ice Climbers - Even ish
Ike - Advantage
Jigglypuff - Advantage
King DeDeDe - Disadvantage
Kirby - Slight disadvantage
Link - Advantage
Lucario - even ish
Lucas - Advantage
Weegee - Even ish
Mario - Even ish
Marth - slight disadvantage
Meta Knight - Disadvantage D=
Ness - Advantage
Olimar - Advantage
Peach - Advantage
Pikachu - Get ***** Wolf.
Pit - Even ish
Pokemon Trainer - Advantage
Squirtle - Even ish
Ivysaur - Advantage
Charizard - Advantage
R.O.B. - Slight disadvantage
Samus - Advantage
Sheik - Disadvantage
Snake - Disadvantage
Sonic - Advantage
*Toon Link - Even ish
Wario - Even ish
Yoshi - Advantage
Zelda - Advantage
Zero Suit Samus - Advantage
Zelda+Sheik - Even ish.

11 evens.
18 advantages.
10 disadvantages. (Mostly top tier)

I just wanted the numbers for myself, sorry.
 

Xzax Kasrani

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Bowser - 55:45
Captain Falcon - 6:4
Diddy Kong - 45:55
Donkey Kong - 55:45
Falco - 4:6
Fox - 50:50
Game and Watch - 45:55
Ganondorf - 7:3
Ice Climbers - 45:55
Ike - 6:4 or 55:45
Jigglypuff - 6:4
King DeDeDe - 35:65
Kirby - 45:55
Link - 6:4
Lucario - 44:55
Lucas - 55:44
Luigi - 44:55
Mario - 50:50
Marth - 45:55
Meta Knight - 4:6
Ness - 6:4
Olimar - :45:55
Peach - 50:50
Pikachu - 35:65
Pit - 45:55
Pokemon Trainer - 55:45
Squirtle - 4:6
Ivysaur - 6:4
Charizard - 55:45
R.O.B. - 4:6
Samus - 6:4
Sheik - 4:6
Snake - 4:6
Sonic - 55:45
Toon Link - 45:55
Wario - 4:6
Yoshi - 55:45
Zelda - 55:45
Zero Suit Samus - 45:55
Zelda+Sheik - 45:55
 

MidnightAsaph

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Any MU you find to be completely ridiculous was probably a joke because I do not care about said MU. Some MUs are all theory craft. If you'd like to discuss one, ask first if I was just being a funny guy. If it's a "?" I could not make up my mind. As you might realize, I took out Pokemon Trainer and Sheik/Zelda, cause I do not rate as a group.

Bowser - 55:45
Captain Falcon - 9:1
Diddy Kong - 50:50
Donkey Kong - 50 or 55
Falco - 45:55
Fox - 45:55
Game and Watch - 45:55
Ganondorf - 9:1
Ice Climbers - 100:0
Ike - 55:45
Jigglypuff - 6:4
King DeDeDe - 35:65
Kirby - 45:55
Link - 6:4
Lucario - 45:55
Lucas - 50:50
Luigi - 45:55
Mario - 50:50
Marth - 50:50
Meta Knight - 4:6
Ness - 55:45
Olimar - 45:55
Peach - 55:45
Pikachu - 45:55
Pit - ?
Squirtle - 45:55
Ivysaur - 55:45
Charizard - 55:45
R.O.B. - 5:5
Samus - 6:4
Sheik - 45:55
Snake - 45:55
Sonic - 55:45
Toon Link - 5:5
Wario - ?
Yoshi - 6:4
Zelda - 100:0 (50:50)
Zero Suit Samus - 5:5
 

Xsyven

And how!
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What if I'm just ********, and have bad matchups on a personal level, and don't blame Wolf whatsoever?
 

Sesshomuronay

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Bowser - 60/40
Captain Falcon - 60/40
Diddy Kong - 50/50
Donkey Kong - 50/50
Falco - 50/50
Fox - 50/50
Game and Watch - 50/50
Ganondorf - 65/35
Ice Climbers - 55/45
Ike - 60/40
Jigglypuff - 60/40
King DeDeDe - 35/65
Kirby - 50/50
Link - 60/40
Lucario - 50/50
Lucas - 55/45
Luigi - 50/50
Mario - 55/45
Marth - 50/50
Meta Knight - 35/65
Ness - 60/40
Olimar - 55/45
Peach - 55/45
Pikachu - 40/60
Pit - 50/50
Pokemon Trainer - 50/50
Squirtle - 40/60
Ivysaur - 60/40
Charizard - 55/45
R.O.B. - 50/50
Samus - 55/45
Sheik - 45/55
Snake - 40/60
Sonic - 55/45
Toon Link - 50/50
Wario - 55/45
Yoshi - 60/40
Zelda - 55/45
Zero Suit Samus - 45/55
Zelda+Sheik - 50/50
 

Ishiey

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What if I'm just ********, and have bad matchups on a personal level, and don't blame Wolf whatsoever?
Go ahead and post your personal matchup :) I know that I definitely have my fair share of personal matchups...
Stupid lasers...

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ArcPoint

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What do the averages look like if I put the matchups like this?

(lists all matchups as 100:0 Wolf)

On a more serious note...what are the current averages? Enough people have posted =)
 

PowaStar

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I decided to list the ones that I have done the most.

MetaKnight: 40:60
Snake: 50:50
Wario: 60:40 (I have a feeling im gonna get flamed now....)
Falco: 40:60
Diddy Kong: 60:40
King Dedede: 35:65 (I think if Its stage dependent in your favor of course then 40:60)
Mr.Game and Watch: 45:55
Donkey Kong: 60:40
Mario: 60:40
Fox: 55:45
Captain Falcon: 65:35
Ganondorf: 65:35
Jigglypuff: 70:30
Kirby: 50:50
Olimar: 55:45
Sonic: 60:40 0:100 Cause were too slow! XD.

I really don't like doing the whole ratio thing but thats how I look at it.
 

Blargy

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Captain Falcon - 0:1000000 (hes to manly ;D other than that idk MU)
Diddy Kong - 40:60
Donkey Kong - 50:50
Falco - 30:70 (50:50 without CG)
Fox - 50:50
Game and Watch - 60:40
Ice Climbers - 30:70 (gotta love ICs pivot grabs)
Ike - 60:40
King DeDeDe - 40:60
Lucario - 60:40
Lucas - 60:40
Luigi - 40:60
Mario - 55:45
Marth - 45:55
Meta Knight - 30:70
Ness - 55:45
Peach - 55:45
Pikachu - 30:70 (45:55 without CG)
Pit - 50:50
Pokemon Trainer - 50:50
R.O.B. - 40:60
Samus - 55:45
Snake - 45:55
Wario - 40:60
 

DarkLouis331

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Bowser - 55-45
Captain Falcon -60-40
Diddy Kong -50-50
Donkey Kong -60-40
Falco -40-60
Fox -55-45
Game and Watch - 45-55
Ganondorf -70-30
Ice Climbers -40-60
Ike - 60-40
Jigglypuff -50-50
King DeDeDe -35-65
Kirby -45-55
Link -60-40
Lucario -55-45
Lucas -55-45
Luigi -55-45
Mario -50-50
Marth -40-60
Meta Knight -35-65
Ness -60-40
Olimar -50-50
Peach -50-50
Pikachu -40-60
Pit -60-40
Pokemon Trainer -55-45
Squirtle -45-55
Ivysaur -55-45
Charizard -60-40
R.O.B. -55-45
Samus -60-40
Sheik -50-50
Snake -40-60
Sonic -60-40
Toon Link -60-40
Wario -45-55
Yoshi -60-40
Zelda -60-40
Zero Suit Samus -60-40
Zelda+Sheik -55-45
 

rvkevin

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Diddy Kong - 50-50
Donkey Kong - 70-30
Game and Watch - 45-55
Jigglypuff - 65-35
King DeDeDe - 30-70
Kirby - 55-45
Lucas - 65-35
Meta Knight - 40-60
Olimar - 50-50
Pokemon Trainer - 60-40
Squirtle - 55-45
Ivysaur - 65-35
Charizard - 55-45
R.O.B. - 45-55
Snake - 45-55
Wario - 40-60
 

Seagull Joe

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Turtle alts Wario, Jigglypuff, Lucas, Snake, Mk, GaW, and more. I have seen him use a lot of characters actually. His Jiggly never dies. Lol.
 

Ishiey

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I have legit college application johns. Like, really legit :<

If someone else wants to compile averages I'll update the OP, but don't expect me to average everything myself before January 2nd. Sorry Papa Nookum Cake :(

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