So, there's going to be a fifth generation of Pokemon

[urdailywater]

But can you agree that Pokemon is one of the few game series out there that still try to stick closest to its roots? I still see that as a bad thing. There's very little difference between the main pull of GSC / DPP, and it gives no reason to go back and play the older games anymore. To me that's either a bad series design or maybe it's good, I don't know.

The only reason I really go back to the older games are the different areas and stories, and I can get a better of both if I went to play a Pokemon ROMHack of that game or something.

edit: don't take it that i hate the original games either =/ it's just that i still don't see how people who've played the most recent games still can go back to earlier generations without getting the urge to play something with ... just more and better things to it...
i've actually tried going back to the original games -- gold, crystal, yellow, hell even ruby and I always put them down within probably half an hour. Unless I do something like i did recently where in ruby i did a solo run which was something new i guess. i quit it at slateport city though.


maybe it doesn't need explanation though. i probably just have different tastes. which i guess makes sense but still. i love each and every one of those games, but ever since platinums release i can't find myself going back to them again.

 

[Espy Rose]

It's stupid events and ridiculous Pokédex sizes to fill that make PokéSAV so tempting.

If you're not using PokeSAV now, then you've already lost.

sonic got ragged on for changing too much

Sonic gets ragged on for every little thing it ever does, ever.
Look at Sonic the Hedgehog 4 discussions. It's sick.

Can't say it's not *creative*, but I still think making a Pokemon that's based after a (posessed) inanimate object is going a bit too far. .-.

...Magnemite, Geodude, Onix(?), Grimer, and Voltorb(?)?

Oh, and although Team Rocket > Team Galactic, Cyrus >= Giovanni.
I said it.

=====

Personally, I want a Pokemon game that has a more "Pokemon Special"-esque feel to it. That'd be fun, I think.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

What's left to get everything already gone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zCAsSc5l0

 

[Mr. Rogu]

i could see this as a good thing but really, what can they add to the pokemon series? i mean they added pretty much everything in platinum. making about another 100 pokemon wont help it grow, theyre basically just drawing out the game series now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_zCAsSc5l0&feature=related

yes the video is a fan made cartoon but it does speak the truth about the pokemon game series

 

[-Kiros-]

This wasn't really unexpected. I think Pokemon will continue for a long long time, though the creators will soon run out of ideas. Generations one and two were creative and imaginative, but I think they took a step back in the third. The current fourth one was decent, but I'm curious to see what they come up with next time.

 

[Ganonsburg]

Pokemon has such little variance game-to-game, it's ridiculous. Nintendo needs to revamp the series somehow. Seriously. Maybe not even the handheld games. But if they had a console game that had more interaction with the surrounding world and different types of interaction, as well as better fighting and options to interact with real (random) people easily, that would be amazing.

Or, you can choose to be a trainer, a gym leader, a breeder, etc. Each group of people with different stats and chances of catching certain pokemon. Each one grants each of their pokemon a buff in a certain area and a nerf in another.

Just random ideas. Pokemon just needs more interaction with its world. You don't get to explore it much outside of battles that are mapped out for you.

 

[Firus]

The same can be said for any of their games, with the exceptions like Majoras Mask, such as the first Metroid Prime. People don't give credit for Nintendo listening to their critics, because they really do, thus the creation of what appears to be a more mature Metriod in Metroid: Other M.

..What was immature about Metroid Prime? I never heard any sort of criticism like that and I have no criticism of the sort myself.

And for that matter, what's "more mature" about Other M?

They should get rid of IVs period, there is a best and it just take unnecessary amounts of time for perfect IVs.

The idea of IVs in the first place was to be a secret value to make stats more of a variable, not something that you have to work really hard and breed a million times to get the perfect IVs on it.

But can you agree that Pokemon is one of the few game series out there that still try to stick closest to its roots? I still see that as a bad thing. There's very little difference between the main pull of GSC / DPP, and it gives no reason to go back and play the older games anymore. To me that's either a bad series design or maybe it's good, I don't know.

The only reason I really go back to the older games are the different areas and stories, and I can get a better of both if I went to play a Pokemon ROMHack of that game or something.

The main pull of Pokémon is generally the same, yes, but I always find that which game I want to play varies. Perhaps you play Pokémon in a different way than I do, but when I play them, I take the extra version I have (not the game of the generation I went for completion on and have kept the file on) and do another run through it. While I can't explain to you what the difference is, for me, having the urge to replay third gen isn't the same as having the urge to play fourth gen or first gen.

edit: don't take it that i hate the original games either =/ it's just that i still don't see how people who've played the most recent games still can go back to earlier generations without getting the urge to play something with ... just more and better things to it...

Second generation's plot is definitely better than fourth's, for me, anyways. First, second, and third generation have better overall music than fourth, while fourth has some of the best epic battle music of the series (legendaries, Galactic boss, champion). The list goes on.

Just because the mechanics aren't as enhanced in earlier games doesn't mean the games aren't enjoyable in their own right -- maybe not to you, but not to all people.

maybe it doesn't need explanation though. i probably just have different tastes. which i guess makes sense but still. i love each and every one of those games, but ever since platinums release i can't find myself going back to them again.

Ironically, I got Platinum on release date and I still haven't beaten it. I found it to be overall not so great, even though it was hyped up quite a bit. Even in the "third game" it seems they've resorted to a lot of "new forme" hype.

...Magnemite, Geodude, Onix(?), Grimer, and Voltorb(?)?

None of those are possessed...? Rotom is directly possessing appliances.

And sludge isn't an inanimate object.

Oh, and although Team Rocket > Team Galactic, Cyrus >= Giovanni.
I said it.

That's debatable. "=" I'm willing to compromise with, ">=" I'm not.

Generations one and two were creative and imaginative, but I think they took a step back in the third. The current fourth one was decent, but I'm curious to see what they come up with next time.

I'd actually say 3rd gen is the most creative out of them all. People say it took a step backwards, most of the time because it removed day/night and only had one region, but Hoenn is arguably the most creative environment, with some of the most imaginative Pokémon, not to mention all of the gameplay innovations.

In fact, 3rd gen is the one game from the main series that I think stands out to the extent that you don't necessarily feel like you're playing just another Pokémon game.

I'm interested to hear why you say 3rd gen took a step back.

 

[CRASHiC]

..What was immature about Metroid Prime? I never heard any sort of criticism like that and I have no criticism of the sort myself.

And for that matter, what's "more mature" about Other M?

Nothings immature at all. Metriod never recieved that kind of critisim, so instead of making Mario more mature, they went and made a more mature series kind of more mature from the looks of it, or rather, what gamers consider more mature, that being a bunch of BANG BANG BANG with a plot thrown on top with cut scenes. Ya know, 'modern gaming.' It worked when it was done in Corruption, I just hope they don't lose the seeking out the story that Prime had. The going through an ancient civilizations ruins to find their story, to go through the pirates computers, it was all really genious stuff and helped to define the world as a place in the past, a place that was dieing and existed truly only in the past. Oh well, this is a pokemon thread though.

 

[Espy Rose]

None of those are possessed...? Rotom is directly possessing appliances.

And sludge isn't an inanimate object.

Well...

spurred or moved by a strong feeling, madness, or a supernatural power

-Dictionary.com

If Magnemite and Geodude, a magnet and a rock, can suddenly spawn sentience, then I'm pretty sure that falls under the supernatural category...

 

[Firus]

Nothings immature at all. Metriod never recieved that kind of critisim, so instead of making Mario more mature, they went and made a more mature series kind of more mature from the looks of it, or rather, what gamers consider more mature, that being a bunch of BANG BANG BANG with a plot thrown on top with cut scenes. Ya know, 'modern gaming.' It worked when it was done in Corruption, I just hope they don't lose the seeking out the story that Prime had. The going through an ancient civilizations ruins to find their story, to go through the pirates computers, it was all really genious stuff and helped to define the world as a place in the past, a place that was dieing and existed truly only in the past. Oh well, this is a pokemon thread though.

Oh, okay, I can see what you mean there.

Well...

If Magnemite and Geodude, a magnet and a rock, can suddenly spawn sentience, then I'm pretty sure that falls under the supernatural category...

Pokémon is supernatural in its nature. We don't know that "a magnet and a rock" suddenly spawned sentience -- in fact, I imagine that isn't what happened at all. I would imagine that Geodude started out with sentience, as did Magnemite.

And you're really nitpicking if you're pulling dictionary definitions. What Rotom does to the appliances is, clear and simple, possession. Supernatural rocks doesn't mean possession, it just means that they're fantastical.

 

[M.K]

There are real-life animals that resemble rocks.
There are Pokemon that resemble rocks.

Pokemon is unorthodox; an attempt to explain something logical (any number of water-types learning Thunder, why Magnezone doesn't have Levitate, how Dodrio still learns Fly, etc.) will just be met with "It's Pokemon, get over it".
That being said, there are still some very very core elements that relate to real life, and thus, Pokemon will always have things that are based on real life variants of objects/animals, which does not make it unoriginal.

 

[Espy Rose]

Pokémon is supernatural in its nature. We don't know that "a magnet and a rock" suddenly spawned sentience -- in fact, I imagine that isn't what happened at all. I would imagine that Geodude started out with sentience, as did Magnemite.

And you're really nitpicking if you're pulling dictionary definitions. What Rotom does to the appliances is, clear and simple, possession. Supernatural rocks doesn't mean possession, it just means that they're fantastical.

I guess, *****.
You're not gonna agree, and I think your reasoning is silly. Let's just leave it at that.

*shrugs*

 

[urdailywater]

The main pull of Pokémon is generally the same, yes, but I always find that which game I want to play varies. Perhaps you play Pokémon in a different way than I do, but when I play them, I take the extra version I have (not the game of the generation I went for completion on and have kept the file on) and do another run through it. While I can't explain to you what the difference is, for me, having the urge to replay third gen isn't the same as having the urge to play fourth gen or first gen.

I actually used to enjoy Pokemon games for this reason, but until recently whenever I got into the main pull of Pokemon on Platinum (like, actually completing the game after you beat the main storyline) I sort of got more into that and not into actually playing through them anymore. I'm not sure why that is, maybe I just have the need for something new.

I'm just curious on what I'd do if I had the patience to actually complete Crystal or Sapphire again.
For Sapphire I'd probably just listen to all the music, lol. Or actually try to catch those **** regi's =/
On crystal I always have the urge to keep playing through the game. Not sure why, but lately, ever since I started back on Platinum and actually finished it, I can't for some reason. =/ Maybe I need a Pokemon break or something, lol.


I should try playing through Sapphire tonight.


edit: I can't agree with anybody who says the Pokemon themselves are the reason they play through each game though. For me, every generation has a legit amount of Pokemon I like that I'll actually play through the game, the least being with 2nd gen, where I just didn't really like them as much --- but they have enough 1st gen Pokemon in order to make up for it I guess. (Even then I could probably muster up a whole team of 2nd generation Pokemon by the end of the game and still like them. Hell maybe even two since I'm looking back on the Johto Dex.)

edit2: Wait, I think I've been confusing 2nd gen with 1st gen. Yah, 1st gen I meant.

 

[Firus]

I guess, *****.
You're not gonna agree, and I think your reasoning is silly. Let's just leave it at that.

*shrugs*

._. I don't get what's silly about "It's Pokémon and it's fantasy, and therefore an inanimate object that's alive isn't necessarily possessed."

You don't have to act like I'm some sort of stubborn crazy person, I thought my response was very sensible and calm.

I actually used to enjoy Pokemon games for this reason, but until recently whenever I got into the main pull of Pokemon on Platinum (like, actually completing the game after you beat the main storyline) I sort of got more into that and not into actually playing through them anymore. I'm not sure why that is, maybe I just have the need for something new.

Yeah, I know there are some things that might inspire me to play Platinum more if I got past the Elite Four. But it hasn't inspired me to touch it in months. In fact, I think the last time I played the game to do something besides collect an event was about a month after it was released...

Overall I think I just got bunt out on fourth gen because I've played through it a few times between Diamond and Pearl, and I don't find much interest in it. It'll probably come back at some point, though.

Which is actually a good connection -- I frequently have "phases" so to speak with games. Of course, I tend to go through phases like a crazy person to the extent that I'll get into something again for a week and then stop for months, but it's entirely possible that you've just temporarily lost your desire to replay those games.

edit: I can't agree with anybody who says the Pokemon themselves are the reason they play through each game though. For me, every generation has a legit amount of Pokemon I like that I'll actually play through the game, the least being with 2nd gen, where I just didn't really like them as much --- but they have enough 1st gen Pokemon in order to make up for it I guess. (Even then I could probably muster up a whole team of 2nd generation Pokemon by the end of the game and still like them. Hell maybe even two since I'm looking back on the Johto Dex.)

I agree, the Pokémon really aren't that important of a part to be the sole reason to replay the games. While they certainly add/subtract from the games as a whole, they're not a reason to replay/avoid replaying games.

 

[Espy Rose]

._. I don't get what's silly about "It's Pokémon and it's fantasy, and therefore an inanimate object that's alive isn't necessarily possessed."

You don't have to act like I'm some sort of stubborn crazy person, I thought my response was very sensible and calm.

Yeah, I know.
I'm just being stupid.
...it's still silly though.

 

[Pokemon Z RPG]

This is ridiculous. Pokemon should be getting credit where credit's do. Yes, the first 151 may have been the best time for Pokemon, but every long-lasting game series has its up times and has its down times. But, Pokemon games are some of the best games of all time: past, present, and future. The problem is, everyone compares Pokemon to what its once was which just makes Pokemon look bad now when it's actually still great. If you can't appreciate all Pokemon has to offer, you are not a true Pokemon fan.

 

[Firus]

This is ridiculous. Pokemon should be getting credit where credit's do. Yes, the first 151 may have been the best time for Pokemon, but every long-lasting game series has its up times and has its down times. But, Pokemon games are some of the best games of all time: past, present, and future. The problem is, everyone compares Pokemon to what its once was which just makes Pokemon look bad now when it's actually still great. If you can't appreciate all Pokemon has to offer, you are not a true Pokemon fan.

It's a little silly to say that if you have different tastes and think that the games today aren't very good, you're not a true Pokémon fan. I consider myself a true Sonic fan and I can't stand 90% of the crap that's put out for him nowadays.

Now, that's not saying that I do think that the current Pokémon games are bad. I think part of what you're saying here is a misunderstanding. For example, when I balance out how good I think each generation is, I generally put something like:

1=2=3>>>>>>>>>>>4

(Unorthodox, I know, but nevertheless...)

That makes 4 look like it sucks. It doesn't. It's just that I think 1, 2, and 3 were amazing, excellent games and 4 was only good. There is room for some relativity when you're talking about any series. It makes sense to compare new to old.

Now, if you refuse to play the newer (or older, for that matter) games for whatever reason, that's a different thing. You should at least be willing to try them. But as there is no factual way to say "This game is good" or "This game is bad" (because enjoyment is not factual, and to each individual, the enjoyment they get out of a game is what makes it good or bad), you cannot say that people are just ignoring what's good and therefore cannot consider themselves a fan of something.

 

[Super_Sonic8677]

I personally stopped liking the pokeomon designs at gen 3. =/

They were very original...but they seemed like a different original than the first 250 some..they were very "unpokemonlike" to me.

 

[Clownbot]

Two of the pokemon (including the silhouette) have been leaked:

http://serebii.net/index2.shtml

 

[ndayday]

Zorua is mad cute.

and wtf Zoroark is sportin' that Joker look.

 

[Frown]

Looks pretty cool actually.

 

[Espy Rose]

Those two look absolutely adorable.
Now I'm HYPED.

 

[Firus]

Zorua looks cute.

Zoroark looks like a werewolf gone wrong.

I'll wait until I see more Pokémon designs before I make a general judgment of them.

EDIT: Actually, I take that back. I'm beginning to like these guys. Even if Zoroark does look a little...odd.

 

[urdailywater]

Zoroark confirmed for Brawl.

 

[Firus]

Zoroark confirmed for Brawl.

Bahaha, yes.

Both for Brawl and SSB4, actually. (I know the "Brawl" part was a play on the entire pre-Brawl hype, but...)

Now that Brawl hacking has reached the level it has, you can be assured someone's going to make a hack of some sort of him.

Zoroark is also the 5th gen's equivalent to Lucario, so I imagine he'll end up in SSB4 if there is one.

 

[Nihongo-ookami]

Zoroark is a beast. Finally, a cool Dark-type Pokemon.

That has significance.

So, the three lake spirits fighting?

TEAM RAIKOU FTW!!!

 

[Firus]

Finally, a cool Dark-type Pokemon.

What do you mean "finally"?

 

[Espy Rose]

Zorua looks cute.

Zoroark looks like a werewolf gone wrong.

I'll wait until I see more Pokémon designs before I make a general judgment of them.

EDIT: Actually, I take that back. I'm beginning to like these guys. Even if Zoroark does look a little...odd.

Zoroark looks awesome. You must be insane.

You even left out Absol on that dark type list, which only proves to me that you are clinically mad.

Werewolf gone completely right, imo.

Spoiler

I still love you Firust, if only for your Minimamoto avy

 

[urdailywater]

ewwwwww tyranitar

but you seem to be missing one anyways

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d3/302Sableye.png (the art might not be the greatest but i still love his sprites)

or two

 

[CRASHiC]

If Honchcrow isn't based off of pimps then I want to know what the hell they wear in Japan.

 

[Pokemon Z RPG]

It's a little silly to say that if you have different tastes and think that the games today aren't very good, you're not a true Pokémon fan. I consider myself a true Sonic fan and I can't stand 90% of the crap that's put out for him nowadays.

Now, that's not saying that I do think that the current Pokémon games are bad. I think part of what you're saying here is a misunderstanding. For example, when I balance out how good I think each generation is, I generally put something like:

1=2=3>>>>>>>>>>>4

(Unorthodox, I know, but nevertheless...)

That makes 4 look like it sucks. It doesn't. It's just that I think 1, 2, and 3 were amazing, excellent games and 4 was only good. There is room for some relativity when you're talking about any series. It makes sense to compare new to old.

Now, if you refuse to play the newer (or older, for that matter) games for whatever reason, that's a different thing. You should at least be willing to try them. But as there is no factual way to say "This game is good" or "This game is bad" (because enjoyment is not factual, and to each individual, the enjoyment they get out of a game is what makes it good or bad), you cannot say that people are just ignoring what's good and therefore cannot consider themselves a fan of something.

Well put! But even so, I still think it is sad that when being compared, it sounds like the 4th generation is horrible and the first 3 were the only good ones. I know it wasn't meant this way, but credit should be given where credit's do like I said before. That is why I generally say "Pokemon games are awesome.", "Pokemon games are some of the best games ever.", etc. In a sense, it includes the 4th generation into the 'being awesome' category which I think it is BECAUSE it plays just like it did in the first 3 generations, which is obviously awesome. I think comparing the Pokemon and characters only applies to the TV show which I will agree has gotten much much worse over the years. Even so, it is a good show now when not compared to the first seasons which were naturally the best.

 

[Firus]

Zoroark looks awesome. You must be insane.

Well, odd doesn't necessarily mean bad.

You even left out Absol on that dark type list, which only proves to me that you are clinically mad.

Gah, I did. That was actually an accident.

Werewolf gone completely right, imo.

Lawl.

Spoiler

I still love you Firust, if only for your Minimamoto avy

Spoiler

Gotta love Sho. As long as he's not Taboo. >.>

http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/d/d3/302Sableye.png (the art might not be the greatest but i still love his sprites)

Sableye is interesting, but I wouldn't really classify him as "cool".

or two

No, I specifically left off the bird with a pimp hat. =P

 

[Kantō]

i clicked on the seribi link and it says te page does not exist.

anyways, ill still play it, but i cant express enough how ****ty pokemon got after the 1st gen. in all the games i stricly use kanto pokemon. ill play the new game for the new adventure, but i only catch the new pokes for my dex.

 

[Espy Rose]

Well, odd doesn't necessarily mean bad.

Yeah. Still makes you crazy.

Gah, I did. That was actually an accident.

Good. Absol are too cute to never include in a list.

Lawl.

amirite? ofcourseimrite. XP

Spoiler

Gotta love Sho. As long as he's not Taboo. >.>

No, I specifically left off the bird with a pimp hat. =P

...

You're an alright guy.

@bry: Way to limit yourself by refusing to expand your horizons.
I guess, whatever floats people's boats.

 

[Hyper_Ridley]

Zoroark looks pretty nifty to me. I wouldn't mind seeing him in SSB4 at all.

And he's not a werewolf, he's a werefox.

 

[Pokemon Z RPG]

Zoroark looks pretty nifty to me. I wouldn't mind seeing him in SSB4 at all.

And he's not a werewolf, he's a werefox.

Both of the new Pokemon look pretty cool and I wouldn't mind seeing Zoroark in SSB4 at all either, really depends on what his moveset is like.

 

[Kantō]

how are they gunna top arceus in terms of legends?

isnt he like the pokegod?

 

[urdailywater]

how are they gunna top arceus in terms of legends?

isnt he like the pokegod?

Yeah, but I don't think they should even bother trying. I think they should stick with the legendary birds formula and not try to attempt to put too much backstory into the legendaries. It would make things much more complicated than they have to be.

 

[Mewter]

You don't have to top anyone in terms of power or back-story.
You just have to make a fun game that's enjoyable to play.

 

[urdailywater]

You don't have to top anyone in terms of power or back-story.
You just have to make a fun game that's enjoyable to play.

Yeah, this is definitely the generation where Game Freak should focus more on gameplay changes before the series becomes very very stale.