So I guess ICs are "S Tier" now :) / :( ?

[DeLux]

Dear IC Nation,

I failed you all at BrainShock Beta.

Cordially,
DeLux

 

[Rubberbandman]

1. You were sick.
2. It was Level 3 X-Factor Dark Pierce, You'd need to be on the top of your game to beat pierce on the top of his.

Also, stop deviating from plan, I said on stream to use more blizzard, someone yelled it out to you, yet you STILL stopped using it, even though it was working for you.

 

[Zatchiel]

So... the Ice Climber ditto is even, right?

 

[DeLux]

No Johns on being sick. I gotta get better one step at a time.

Next time:
gonna TRUST the game plan and focus
no more drops right before kill percents
buffer Sopo Solo's frame perfect
better Nana Guard Breaking
be (MORE) patient

IDK what my next major tourney will be, but I'll be ready

That being said, I'm pretty happy for being only "almost tourney ready". I hope I inspired people to push their desyncing game higher and to learn from my mistakes and get those CGs down

 

[Rubberbandman]

No Johns on being sick. I gotta get better one step at a time.

Next time:
gonna TRUST the game plan and focus
no more drops right before kill percents
buffer Sopo Solo's frame perfect
better Nana Guard Breaking
be (MORE) patient

IDK what my next major tourney will be, but I'll be ready

That being said, I'm pretty happy for being only "almost tourney ready". I hope I inspired people to push their desyncing game higher and to learn from my mistakes and get those CGs down

omg, I forgot. you could have just Dthrowed once or twice and wait for him to mash DP Dolphin Slash out and get a free mixup/followup instead of going for frame perfect shi. 9 times out of 10, they will mash out a dolphin slash after the 2nd grab, so you can just bait it out of them.

Also, tell me when you get your Comp back up and functioning, I need to speak with you on CGs and Desynchs, PMs will not satisfy.

 

[DeLux]

omg, I forgot. you could have just Dthrowed once or twice and wait for him to mash DP Dolphin Slash out and get a free mixup/followup instead of going for frame perfect shi. 9 times out of 10, they will mash out a dolphin slash after the 2nd grab, so you can just bait it out of them.

Also, tell me when you get your Comp back up and functioning, I need to speak with you on CGs and Desynchs, PMs will not satisfy.

I actually tried that, but he buffered a double jump instead of dolphin slash when there was no platform because he's smart.

Still salty my mantra of the matchup was: When in grab range, I'm going to shield drop after the 2nd hit of Dancing Blade. All day, everyday. lol

I'm bad

 

[Smoom77]

Why do you get so down about losing?

Marth is hard for me.

 

[Rubberbandman]

We cant all be strong like Smoom.

 

[DeLux]

I'm usually really good at the Marth matchup. Like my second to best matchup after the snake matchup

But I kept doing really dumb stuff under pressure which has been my main issue for my entire career

 

[Smoom77]

stop worshipping me enda >: (

I know what you mean, but just keep trying and you get used to it. You gotta gain more confidence and think about how you can beat any opponent that you go up against.

 

[DeLux]

Thanks to the ICs that texted me advice lol

I don't think I've played on livestream before. But I'm really confused how everyone got my phone number lol

 

[Mr. game and watch]

So... the Ice Climber ditto is even, right?

Pretty sure every ditto is considered even.
But icie dittos are GAY.
Like a pointless match.

I said "pretty sure" cause I didn't want to be mean.
But I'm pretty sure your trolling or didn't think it over.
ICs can't have advantage over ICs.

 

[Rubberbandman]

stop worshipping me enda >: (

Im not. :V

Thanks to the ICs that texted me advice lol

I don't think I've played on livestream before. But I'm really confused how everyone got my phone number lol

Umm, someone had it, and I remember I got it from hylian after he texted you during the set.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

But I kept doing really dumb stuff under pressure which has been my main issue for my entire career

I actually do better under pressure.
I do horrid at home and with friend with jiggs, and Always have.
I went to a tourney and went all jiggz awhile back. And did WAY more impressive stuff.
Tho I still tied for last cause I mained jigglypuff and suck at her.

I would trade those traits with you if I could, cause you got REALLY good potential to at LEAST be top 5.
But you cat do it under pressure.

 

[Smoom77]

can i have yo numba lux? i will text you advice anytime you want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rubberbandman]

can i have yo numba lux? i will text you advice anytime you want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Imma give it to ya whether he likes it or not!

 

[Smoom77]

yesssssssssssssssssssss

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Can I have yo numba lain? I will text ya advice anytime ya want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr. game and watch]

New tier.
We didn't move :/
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=306431

 

[Smoom77]

I'm actually really surprised we didn't drop below Olimar. Does anyone else feel that way?

 

[B0NK]

^^^ Yes, Olimar has shown to be more successful based off placings so I don't understand it either.

Maybe it was IC's theoretical potential like it has been in the past? idk

 

[Roller]

I agree ICs and oli should be switched. I also think Toon link should be 1-2 places higher.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

But gys, ics can cg ppl to deth!!!1!11

On a more serious note, I also agree, Oli overall is better than ICs in my opinion and a thousand times more annoying to fight.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Yeah.

**** Olimar.

Also, i'm in Ganon Tier now.

****.

 

[DeLux]

They are both horrendous and not viable for competitive play.


However, in the stats and data that matter, ICs are above Olimar so they are about right in terms of comparative placing with one another.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

I like that diddys number 2 nao :3

 

[Blissard]

Olimar has bad MU's in both high tiers and low tiers that keep him in check. Oli vs Falco is -2, MK is -1, and Diddy is apparently even but none of the Olimars afaik have consistently beaten Gnes or ADHD. Also we have bad MU's vs Luigi and Rosalina lolol.

 

[Roller]

Why the **** is Yoshi not higher. ***** is broken.

 

[Smoom77]

yeah, he should be higher imo.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Olimar has bad MU's in both high tiers and low tiers that keep him in check. Oli vs Falco is -2, MK is -1, and Diddy is apparently even but none of the Olimars afaik have consistently beaten Gnes or ADHD. Also we have bad MU's vs Luigi and Rosalina lolol.

Why Luigi? Who put that in? I could seriously believe Peach, but not Luigi.

 

[Blissard]

Why Luigi? Who put that in? I could seriously believe Peach, but not Luigi.

Oh I was talking about Olimar, not ICs >.< Oli vs Luigi mu used to be like...35:65, but now it's just a slight disadvantage. Luigi gets in easily and combos Oli for like 30-50 damage every time, and Oli doesn't have many options to hinder his quick, high priority approaches.

 

[Hylian]

Apparently M2K is going to stay at my house for 2 days lol guess I will be practicing for genesis.

 

[Rubberbandman]

Oh I was talking about Olimar, not ICs >.< Oli vs Luigi mu used to be like...35:65, but now it's just a slight disadvantage. Luigi gets in easily and combos Oli for like 30-50 damage every time, and Oli doesn't have many options to hinder his quick, high priority approaches.

Thats a huge error you got there, Luigi & approach in the same sentence just sounds wrong.

Apparently M2K is going to stay at my house for 2 days lol guess I will be practicing for genesis.

Teach him the art of showering meybe?

 

[B0NK]

Oh I was talking about Olimar, not ICs >.< Oli vs Luigi mu used to be like...35:65, but now it's just a slight disadvantage. Luigi gets in easily and combos Oli for like 30-50 damage every time, and Oli doesn't have many options to hinder his quick, high priority approaches.

From watching Boss and P~S play all the time, Luigi definitely doesn't get in easily... at all. (especially against olimar... but his approach is horrible in general)

It's just that once he's in the olimar player really has to know the best way to deal with his priority and fast moves.

Oh, and the Jab > Up-B

Basically becomes rock paper scissors once he's inside except Luigi's rewards are greater, but he has to get through olimar's camping first >.>

 

[Blissard]

Thats a huge error you got there, Luigi & approach in the same sentence just sounds wrong.

Lol, but against Olimar you usually have to approach >.> Tornado outprioritizes fsmash and can't safely be grabbed or punished by shielding. This MU is kinda like a big cat and mouse game, except that Luigi is a drunken tiger that flies predictably at you. If his approach (most likely an aerial one) gets in, he deals massive damage. Olimar runs like a wild astronaut since he can't grab till weegee is grounded and can't hit through most of Luigi's attacks.

Edit: B0NK summed it up nicely.

Teach him the art of showering meybe?

I was hoping that someone would mention this.

 

[Hylian]

I will don't worry ;P.

 

[Prawn]

so i know i said this a billion times before buttttt

im back.

i guess practicing and better than ever

moved into mah own house with roomates.

life rules.

but i need a secondary. i know i should choose mk but im still considering other top tiers.

anybody got any idears?

 

[Roller]

I know you picked up pika for a while. You could always go that route.


Also, you may want to burn the sheets after he leaves, Hylian.

 

[Mr. game and watch]

Second a low tier. Ganons beasty!

 

[Hylian]

I know you picked up pika for a while. You could always go that route.


Also, you may want to burn the sheets after he leaves, Hylian.

He's sleeping in the living room not with my girlfriend and me lmao.