I am confused. We are talking about both in seperate places aren't we. Regardless I hold that points to tournies as well. You guys WANT to play without items and stage hazards and in a certain format. Sure a few of the tourney goers might dissagree about rules but most of them would agree right? If there was a tourney where casuals went and they wanted items then they should have items.
NO! The ruleset is ENTIRELY up to the tournament holder. As it stands now, competitives are the only ones that hold tournaments, because casuals don't care enough to hold one themselves. Then, they go on the internet and whine about current tournaments because they want to attend one but don't want to put forth any effort to organize it themselves.
No casuals care enough to hold a "casual tournament," but they care enough to ***** about it on the internet.
The only time there are relatively large tournaments with items is when GAMESTORES host them for advertising or making money.
My original arguments:
Casuals say we are arrogant because we claim we can beat them, and that we know more about the game than they do (which we do).
We do not say our rules are right; we say they are right for tournament settings. We didn't pull this verdict out of our ass; it evolved over YEARS (since 2002).
Some items take skill to use, but retrieving items does not always rely on skill, so ultimately a match could be decided by luck. Furthermore, some items are extremely overpowered, and ultimately require little skill (Pokeballs; throw it and the pokemon does the work for you!).
And the main reason they were banned: random exploding **** falling on your head.
You claim that the above claim isn't bad, but it is...FOR TOURNAMENT PLAY.
Casuals and noobs complain about no items at the tournaments we host. No competitive complains about some casuals and noobs playing with items in their living room.
Casuals can not comment on the tournament community, because they don't know anything about it. But they do anyways, making huge assumptions based off of god knows what.
Well, they CAN comment on the tournament scene, but only in suggestion form, and not in concrete claims. "Items would make tournaments more competitive!" No, they wouldn't, guy who doesn't go to tournaments. No they wouldn't.
Now if someone said, "Hey why don't you hold item tournaments?", I would respond with all of the reasons.
It is the casuals that come in and act like they are authorities on the subject when they are newbies. THIS IS ARROGANCE, and it is ****ing stupid, because someone who thinks he is the **** without any reason behind it is impossible to argue with, because he is always right, despite the staggering amount of information you avalanche at his ******** ***.
Bottom line, casuals come to the Brawl boards and propose ridiculous **** for Brawl tournaments, despite playing 0 video games competitively, lacking any grasp about any tournament scene, and therefor missing a HUGE chunk of necessary information.
Points to address:
-Competitives are not arrogant for claiming we will win in a battle of skill; it is a time proven fact that competitives will win
-Casuals are arrogant when they post **** like it is the bottom line; like they are an authority on the subject matter and that their wisdom (or lack thereof) is boundless and without fault, despite an overwhelming lack of experience.
-Competitives are an authority on the game when it comes to a tournament ruleset, and gameplay mechanics. THEY ARE NOT THE AUTHORITY ON
FUN.
-The tournament holder decides the ruleset--which should be known before the competitors shows up to it, so they can't complain about the ruleset when they get there, because it has been KNOWN.
Gamejunkie is a store in Cincinnati that holds tournaments, and casuals come and cry about the ruleset, DESPITE THE FACT that the RULES are posted on the flyer, and they just don't read it.
Tournament players wouldn't complain about an item tournament if they knew beforehand (before they leave to go to it), because then if they cared, they wouldn't go. Now, if I go to a tournament, and I'm expecting a not ******** ruleset, and they put all stages on Random, all items very high, FFA time match, then I have a right to complain, because they lied about the ruleset.
This actually happened. Someone posted a tournament on SWF, claiming MLG rules, I drive 2 HOURS, and it had those rules. And they couldn't get why I was pissed.
