Snake on Battlefield

[kingdom-triforce]

Firstly, I'm not the best Snake player in the game, maybe leaning more towards the noob side. <<

Anyways, I'm having a lot of trouble playing Snake on Battlefield. Apparently, I can never win against anyone on that stage.

Can anyone give me some tips?

 

[MBreeto]

c4 on top of one of the lower platforms, and you can camp from the edge next to that same platform because the c4 pretty much makes a mini wall of defense for you (when you blow it up, it hits above and below the platform).

 

[indianunit]

ban it at the beginning of the set.

same problem goes for me as well, battlefield might quite possibly be snakes worst stage.
the only thing you have going for it is the platforms for c4 hits.
there's just no room for snake at all imo.

 

[hippiedude92]

don't g et stuck on top of a platform. most aerialist love to aerial game you from there >.>. other then that, camp like a beast. control the platforms with nades/c4s/landmines. like someone said above, it makes a mini wall above you so you should be able to formulate a straegy and see habits from them there

 

[Budget Player Cadet_]

Isn't battlefield snake's best stage?

 

[AfroTastic]

Battlefield and pokemon stadium 1 are his best IMO.

 

[misterpimp5757]

if ur losing at his best stage u really are a noob lol. just visit the snake stage discussion.

 

[indianunit]

i guess it really depends on preference. I do horrible on battlefield and hate that stage to no end. it's easy for any character to get snake in to the air in Battlefield imo. and remember snake can't do **** if he's on top of someone.

 

[Nic64]

I think it's a strong contender for his worst neutral, any character with decent platform pressure can really do a number on snake here. snake gets some good use of the platforms but other characters benefit from it in a much stronger way

 

[Panix]

It's a good stage.

mainly because aerial character's do better here. So it's more like a trade off.
I'd say camp the ledges and use that c4 man.

 

[Exia 00]

When battlefield fails (which is not so often) I cp with rainbow cruise hahaha. (IMO) Snakes best stage.

 

[ICE27]

Battlefield is by far snake's best stage as far as setups go. Honestly, this is the perfect place to take Mk or Ice climbers IMO.

You need to learn set ups with grenades. Use claymores on the edge of the stage works as well. Placing C4 on the left or right platform cuts off options.

Check this video out for a setup on battlefield that personal I find amazing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9KzMfxeTU . Not just because its "ALLY" but, because it works not only for camping but if u need to edge guard. Check time 3:39. This is when it begins. That was just a piece of what it looks like for a visual.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2u0pBt7et0 . This is a video of myself useing the set ups I mentioned as well for another visual. Grenade set ups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmsb1hzZUiA. This is a match Snake vs Ice climbers. Enjoy!

 

[Panix]

Battlefield is by far snake's best stage as far as setups go. Honestly, this is the perfect place to take Mk or Ice climbers IMO.

Ohhhh myyyy god.

Did he just say take MK to Battlefield?

 

[ICE27]

Why wouldn't you take mk to battlefield? How about instead of quoting me. You tell me why I'm wrong cause I'd like to hear it. Why don't you talk about how the guy above CP's rainbow cruise

 

[Black_Heretic]

Why wouldn't you take mk to battlefield? How about instead of quoting me. You tell me why I'm wrong cause I'd like to hear it. Why don't you talk about how the guy above CP's rainbow cruise

well... its common knowledge that MK ***** on BF, as its already been established that it's an aerial character's playground and MK has the best air game, it'd be giving him another advantage that he doesn't need because it gives him an easier time juggling Snake and keeping Snake from getting comfortable and grounded (which is where he has an advantage)

Take an MK to FD if you can, but SV is second best out of starters.

as for the RC guy, he's smoking something strong. That is Snake's worst stage by far, you should be banning it, not CPing it. CP a metroid stage or another starter, maybe Japes (except against Falco. NEVER counter pick RC, its guaranteed **** when you play somebody who knows what they're doing.

 

[Lawlmahbawls]

Wtf guys

BF is a GREAT stage to take a MK against. The platforms give you a perfect camping zone that basically restricts the MK from getting to or from you. It also has small bounderies which = awesome. Also it's not an aerial stage unless you go INTO the air, which Snake does not, the MK will have trouble approaching BECAUSE of the platforms.

 

[Panix]

Wtf guys

BF is a GREAT stage to take a MK against. The platforms give you a perfect camping zone that basically restricts the MK from getting to or from you. It also has small bounderies which = awesome. Also it's not an aerial stage unless you go INTO the air, which Snake does not, the MK will have trouble approaching BECAUSE of the platforms.

Watch some MK's on battlefield and see why you don't a MK onto Battlefield.

 

[TwentyTwo]

It's not necessarily true that you can't take MK to battlefield, because you can camp very well there because you can make an easy fortress witch claymores/c4 and camp your nades like crazy and if he chooses to fly over your c4 you can use your mortar. The way I feel about battlefield is it's very momentum based, but that's how the MK/Snake matchup is. If you can get them away and setup your traps battlefield is a fine stage, just avoid getting on platforms, and if you do, shield drop a nade, good chance if they're aggressive enough it'll work out in your favor.

And about rainbow cruise, I was going to start a thread about this soon, because I honestly don't see it as a bad Snake stage. Mind you I say this after I got thrashed on it against a DDD, but I made stupid mistakes and such, but I also 3 stocked a very good DK. On RC, as long as you take the defensive side of the map and stay ahead of your opponent, I find it to be a good snake stage. I'm not advocating it against anyone who would definitely do better on it like MK, Rob, or Pikachu. But the low ceiling is useful, and as long as you're staying ahead and keeping defensive sides, you can easily pressure your opponent with your explosives, and when they get close, you have plenty of options, because now you have your back to a blast zone, and throwing someone and reacting properly could net you an early kill. Yes, there is the risk of them grabbing you, but remember they're approaching you, and you just have to read accordingly.

 

[Panix]

It's not necessarily true that you can't take MK to battlefield, because you can camp very well there because you can make an easy fortress witch claymores/c4 and camp your nades like crazy and if he chooses to fly over your c4 you can use your mortar. The way I feel about battlefield is it's very momentum based, but that's how the MK/Snake matchup is. If you can get them away and setup your traps battlefield is a fine stage, just avoid getting on platforms, and if you do, shield drop a nade, good chance if they're aggressive enough it'll work out in your favor.

And about rainbow cruise, I was going to start a thread about this soon, because I honestly don't see it as a bad Snake stage. Mind you I say this after I got thrashed on it against a DDD, but I made stupid mistakes and such, but I also 3 stocked a very good DK. On RC, as long as you take the defensive side of the map and stay ahead of your opponent, I find it to be a good snake stage. I'm not advocating it against anyone who would definitely do better on it like MK, Rob, or Pikachu. But the low ceiling is useful, and as long as you're staying ahead and keeping defensive sides, you can easily pressure your opponent with your explosives, and when they get close, you have plenty of options, because now you have your back to a blast zone, and throwing someone and reacting properly could net you an early kill. Yes, there is the risk of them grabbing you, but remember they're approaching you, and you just have to read accordingly.

I see what your saying, I do believe that the low ceiling is a + for snake. I mean U tilt kills there pretty early if you get it properly placed. But, all the moving is where snake is left open.
when people like MK take you here its trouble because while they are moving they are in there prime to kill, when snake moves he's just trying to get from point A. to point B.

 

[Lawlmahbawls]

Watch some MK's on battlefield and see why you don't a MK onto Battlefield.

Once again, wtf.

I don't need to watch any videos because I actually PLAY against GOOD Metaknights on Battlefield. I know from experience instead of watching random people owning a Snake on Battlefield.

 

[SuSa]

well... its common knowledge that MK ***** on BF, as its already been established that it's an aerial character's playground and MK has the best air game, it'd be giving him another advantage that he doesn't need because it gives him an easier time juggling Snake and keeping Snake from getting comfortable and grounded (which is where he has an advantage)

Take an MK to FD if you can, but SV is second best out of starters.

as for the RC guy, he's smoking something strong. That is Snake's worst stage by far, you should be banning it, not CPing it. CP a metroid stage or another starter, maybe Japes (except against Falco. NEVER counter pick RC, its guaranteed **** when you play somebody who knows what they're doing.

THIS. +10000

Take Meta Knight to Smashville. Relative same cieling hate, ftilt/jab kills early, that random platform can save you often (and be used for suprise c4), we all know gimping a MK with Snake is like.... impossible =p so the platforms less of a plus for MK (although its still a bonus for him as well sometimes...)

Give me the stuff that the guy who said RC has.

EDIT:

Lawl, give some names of "good" MK's; do they abuse the platforms but keep a strong ground offensive game? Do they go for the dair > nair > RSL gimp often? Do they know how to angle the SL enough to get the strongest knockback from it, and if you airdodge it they can get hit by the cypher so they can still recover? How often do you gimp them? etc....

I thought the same thing when I beat my friends "good" MK on BF, then got 3 stocked in tourney by a MK I beat on every other neutral....

 

[Hax]

haxfield is by far my favorite snake stage

 

[Sandst0rm]

In the local tourney I won last night, I beat Metaknight on battlefield the first set and it was relatively easy. He wasn't a bad MK either. If you use the platforms correctly, then MK can't approach you easily from the air. On the ground, his approach is nothing that a grenade counter can't handle. Or I just waited patiently for a shield grab opportunity or just hit him away with jab>tilt. I also agree with Havokk about smashville. I had an easier time battling that MK on battlefield than on FD and Smashville though.

 

[theONEjanitor]

just run away and use explosives. i think battlefield was made for snake to do that

 

[SuSa]

just run away and use explosives. i think battlefield was made for snake to do that

No, you're thinking of Brawl in general...

 

[Ratman]

well first off never attempt to take a Mk to battle field since.. well they benefit more with platforms then you.. but set up a nice C4 on 1 and have gernades with you constantly. oh and keep on staying on the ground since platforms are bad for snake to stand on against fast aerial chars

 

[MachinegunNorm]

actually yoshi's island platfrom can be great to stay on against people with good aerials.. but yeah not battlefield you're screwed if you stay up on the platforms.

 

[SuSa]

actually yoshi's island platfrom can be great to stay on against people with good aerials.. but yeah not battlefield you're screwed if you stay up on the platforms.

Yoshi's also severely limits your best killing moves. /C4/Mines/Utilt/Dtilt...

It's like Battlefield, but worse.

 

[Lawlmahbawls]

THIS. +10000

Take Meta Knight to Smashville. Relative same cieling hate, ftilt/jab kills early, that random platform can save you often (and be used for suprise c4), we all know gimping a MK with Snake is like.... impossible =p so the platforms less of a plus for MK (although its still a bonus for him as well sometimes...)

Give me the stuff that the guy who said RC has.

EDIT:

Lawl, give some names of "good" MK's; do they abuse the platforms but keep a strong ground offensive game? Do they go for the dair > nair > RSL gimp often? Do they know how to angle the SL enough to get the strongest knockback from it, and if you airdodge it they can get hit by the cypher so they can still recover? How often do you gimp them? etc....

I thought the same thing when I beat my friends "good" MK on BF, then got 3 stocked in tourney by a MK I beat on every other neutral....

K, I actually wasn't going to name names, because the last time I did so I was accused of overreacting, lol. But fine, I've played against Razorblaze, Anti, HRNut, Judged just to name a few of the "bigger" names that I've played on BF amongst MANY of the MK's I've played. Don't mistake me for saying I play only my friend's MK, I actually go play different people and get as much experience that I can, I go to tournies, play online, play ladders.

If you want to know about their skills or w/e go ask them yourself.

 

[MachinegunNorm]

Yoshi's also severely limits your best killing moves. /C4/Mines/Utilt/Dtilt...

It's like Battlefield, but worse.

Hmm, you obviously don't know what i'm talking about.. dunno if any one else in the snake boards do this but i just didn't mention it because i like doing it and didn't really want to share it for some reason.

but yeah I'll have to post a video of it sometime to show how good yoshi's island is.
basically you either play how you normally do till you get a kill, and then you hope onto the platform and start dropping c4 and rolling around while dropping grenades and people will generally try to attack you and end up getting hit by the grenades and c4 when you blow it up. (yeah you'll get hit some but thats why its after a kill and can easily survive up to 190% while they give themselves like 100%) or if you are on the same stock but have high % just hop on anyways.
Doing this i 2 stocked 1der's luigi... it was fun. ;x

 

[MachinegunNorm]

K, I actually wasn't going to name names, because the last time I did so I was accused of overreacting, lol. But fine, I've played against Razorblaze, Anti, HRNut, Judged just to name a few of the "bigger" names that I've played on BF amongst MANY of the MK's I've played. Don't mistake me for saying I play only my friend's MK, I actually go play different people and get as much experience that I can, I go to tournies, play online, play ladders.

If you want to know about their skills or w/e go ask them yourself.

judged = too good.. played him in person once and he ***** me first match.. second match was closer but he still won.

 

[SuSa]

Hmm, you obviously don't know what i'm talking about.. dunno if any one else in the snake boards do this but i just didn't mention it because i like doing it and didn't really want to share it for some reason.

but yeah I'll have to post a video of it sometime to show how good yoshi's island is.
basically you either play how you normally do till you get a kill, and then you hope onto the platform and start dropping c4 and rolling around while dropping grenades and people will generally try to attack you and end up getting hit by the grenades and c4 when you blow it up. (yeah you'll get hit some but thats why its after a kill and can easily survive up to 190% while they give themselves like 100%) or if you are on the same stock but have high % just hop on anyways.
Doing this i 2 stocked 1der's luigi... it was fun. ;x

I do that on Lylat and Yoshi's, mostly for the lulz because some of the good players I go up against have issues facing my explosive games.

Grenade drop > pick up > Full hop > Pull grenade (B-reverse if needed) > immediate short throw > second hop +c4 (turn around if needed) > FF Bair > repeat first few steps (grenades) > Second hop > blow up c4 > FF bair

obviously removing/adding/mixing it up when needed, but thats the gist of it. It's amazing how well it can work, and I almost 3 stocked my best sparring partner Dave with it.

/I wish I could be more active. I see new faces that haven't seen me lol

 

[TEECO]

Yeah, um. Watch those videos that ice posted up if you haven't because he ***** and thats how you should be playing especially on BF. Constantly be doing something whether its jumping up and dropping a c4 on a platform or just pulling out a grenade.

 

[MachinegunNorm]

I do that on Lylat and Yoshi's, mostly for the lulz because some of the good players I go up against have issues facing my explosive games.

Grenade drop > pick up > Full hop > Pull grenade (B-reverse if needed) > immediate short throw > second hop +c4 (turn around if needed) > FF Bair > repeat first few steps (grenades) > Second hop > blow up c4 > FF bair

obviously removing/adding/mixing it up when needed, but thats the gist of it. It's amazing how well it can work, and I almost 3 stocked my best sparring partner Dave with it.

/I wish I could be more active. I see new faces that haven't seen me lol

i almost beat lain's ddd just by staying on yoshi's island platform. i'll have to record some matches of me doing it this weekend and post them so people can see how good it is.

 

[Panix]

Once again, wtf.

I don't need to watch any videos because I actually PLAY against GOOD Metaknights on Battlefield. I know from experience instead of watching random people owning a Snake on Battlefield.

Dude, Im from new jersey, and your trying to say I don't play against good Metaknights.

lol....

 

[SuSa]

i almost beat lain's ddd just by staying on yoshi's island platform. i'll have to record some matches of me doing it this weekend and post them so people can see how good it is.

Haha.... Lain relies far to heavily on chaingrabs (he's a good player still, but WAY to much on CG's)

Also, that's how you beat a D3. Stay above him, don't touch long parts where he can CG you, and just drop explosives.

 

[Lawlmahbawls]

Dude, Im from new jersey, and your trying to say I don't play against good Metaknights.

lol....

Then why are you watching vids instead of playing against them?

 

[SuSa]

Then why are you watching vids instead of playing against them?

Because you can do both?

 

[Panix]

Because you can do both?

Thank you very much.

I play against alot of pro's. going to inui's tournament on the 28th, If I wanted to explain something to you Then I would send you to watch a video because you don't really know what a good metaknight could do to snake on BF.

 

[Lawlmahbawls]

But I do know

so ffjrhtbududavs