Snake is the cheapest character in brawl by default.

[Jellybelly]

Now i know that this thread may require me to use a flame shield but hear me out, Snake is the most cheapest character by default because he uses landmines.

Now as your all probably well aware, nintendo came into dispute with censors over snakes landmines and for good reason, landmines are a cowardly form of combat that hurt & maim innocent people far more than there intended victims. In the context of the real world landmines are seen as extremely negative, yet in brawl Snakes landmines are seen as a positive thing.

Snake can set a landmine next to the edge, on a much used platform or even on his opponents. Snake can fill the arena with grendades which still work very much like landmines, no other projectile in the game has the same effect bar diddys bananas, coupled with his down smash you have a character who actually uses an extremely cowardly fighting style to hurt his enemies through strategic mine placement and not through actual battle.

It was inevitable with Snakes inclusion that real life weapons would be bought into the fray, sadly that also means that real life strategies come into play as well (AKA the placing of cowardly landmines.)
It's because of this trait that Snake is the most cheapest character by default, even marth doesn't hide behind such dirty tactics like mine placing.

 

[Jeff Highwind]

I'm getting tired of people making these threads when they dont realize:

1. The D-smash landmine can be tripped via projectile or invincibility frames. Putting one on the ledge for edgeguarding is dumb since they can trip it with invincibility frames

2. You can only have 2 grenades out at a time. Anyone can also pick them up and throw them if you're dexterous enough.

3. Outranging or getting Snake in the air can debunk these "cowardly tactics" since he's not given a chance to utilize these tools.

4. You're applying cowardice and courage, two status symbols created by humans, to a wireframe in a plastic disk.

lerk moar, sage, etc.

 

[Jellybelly]

Thats weird, I knew all of those points you mentioned.

The fact that snakes landmines are counterable doesn't take away anything from there cheapness. As a concept the landmines are cheap, whether game breaking or harmless the fact that they are usable makes snake a dirty fighter.

Just because the situation is artificial does not mean that cowardice and courage can't apply. For example, imo I would say that the move rest by jigglypuff is a "couragous" move, if you miss, your left utterly defenceless which is not good for the lighest character in the game, however if you succeed then you gain the rewards it has to offer. Now of course I'm not calling jigglypuff a "brave" fighter because rest is just a small part of her moveset, but Snake has 2 (3 in my eyes) mine based weapons which are integral to his playstyle. Snake is a cheap fighter, of course someone with a snake avatar is obviously gonna say otherwise.

 

[Jeff Highwind]

So by your logic, Link/Toon Link's wide array of tools makes them cheap, Olimar's pikmin make him cheap, Sonic's speed make him cheap, The Ice Climbers themselves are cheap since they are a pair, and Falco/Wolf's blasters make him cheap.

And nice move with the ad hominem fallacy. Woo hoo my avy is Snake so my logic is wrong because I'm defending him by POINTING OUT HIS WEAKNESSES. /Sarcasm

 

[Jellybelly]

Of course none of the characters you mentioned are cheap, to deal damage they actually have to either use a projectile or use a melee attack. Snake is the exception, he can deal damage from afar using a mine he had set previously, they may be easily gimped, easily seen and easily countered. But what you don't understand is that landmines MAKE SNAKE CHEAP.

Only diddys Bananas have a similiar effect, but as they don't cause damage when triggered it's hardly the same. Theorhetically Snake could win a match purely through camping and mine placement, no-one is actually that stupid to lose in that fashion but it's still possible and it's still cheap.

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

Of course none of the characters you mentioned are cheap, to deal damage they actually have to either use a projectile or use a melee attack. Snake is the exception, he can deal damage from afar using a mine he had set previously, they may be easily gimped, easily seen and easily countered. But what you don't understand is that landmines MAKE SNAKE CHEAP.

Only diddys Bananas have a similiar effect, but as they don't cause damage when triggered it's hardly the same. Theorhetically Snake could win a match purely through camping and mine placement, no-one is actually that stupid to lose in that fashion but it's still possible and it's still cheap.

QQ moar nub. Learn to deal with it and play the matchup. Ice Climbers have infinites from grabs. Does that make them uber broken? Let's rag on your character too!

 

[Kensei]

Well by going by your reasoning a HELLL load of characters in this game are "Cheap" so you might as well stop complaining about one of those... As Jeff said many chars ( if not all of them) can be called cheap.... Carrying on Jeff's list. Ike is cheap because he can kill at low percentages. Diddy's bananas are cheap because they mess up your game. ZSS is cheap because she can stun . Ice climbers are cheap because its like fighting two people...

Just get over it complaining isn't gonna make anything better find a way to get past this "cheapness" cos if you think snake is cheap because of his mines you got alot more "cheapness" coming your way...

 

[Zephirah]

Like the guy above said every character can be cheap if you just think that way... It´s just a matter to see Snake´s and other characters disadvantages. If you start playing againts Snake users you learn to remember where they placed a landmine, it´s a matter of thinking in the real life...

 

[Jellybelly]

Hmm, well Ice climbers grabs require skill to pull off effectively (not like landmines at all). In regards to there cheapness, the IC's work as a team, if one is gone there strengh, recovery and throws are all gimped. Snake without his landmines would still be a character with strong smashes, a great projectile and good recovery.

And my reasoning is this; That snake is the only character that can damage enemies without using a projectile or melee attack. By placing mines in certain positions he can damage his opponents, that IS cheap whether you agree or not, damage without pressing a button.

I know this thread won't make anything "better." I am merely pointing out the dirty tactics which are at the core of snakes playstyle.

 

[Samus Syndrome]

You are the reason people play Snake... Seriously I'm pretty sure I've played people like you and it is SOOO fun.

Of course someone with a snake avatar is obviously gonna say otherwise.

Well, duh. Maybe you should post this in the Ike forums where everyone hates Snake.

I'm not disagreeing with you because I don't see your point but you could just, you know, not go near Snake's mines...

 

[NeroeXIII]

Wow. The way you type makes you look like your smart. But WHAT you type, is the most stupidest thing i've heard in my life. Your saying that since Snake doesn't go up to the opponent and fight, makes him a coward? A girl? I can't even argue with this kind of stupidity. Wait. Yes I can.

First of all, This is a game. It's a game where FICTIONAL characters go and fight. There are no "cowards." Second of all your saying that your not making this thread to change anything. Even if you were, your asking a character to change it's whole playstyle, and moveset just so he doesn't fight like a "coward." third of all, i'm guessing you made this topic because you recently got owned by a snake, and you just can't find a way to get around it. If you can't. Thats just sad. Mines are easy to spot, and easy to use against snake. Lastly, you also say infinite grabs take skill to pull off. And they do. But Mine placement, and mindgames are a diffrent type of skill.

Please, stop whining and complaining about how cheap Snake is, and go find a way around it. If you can't find away around it, dont play against snakes, or stop playing brawl. Since you relate real-life things to a game, i will relate things from a game to real life. Stop playing brawl, and the next time someone has a gun pointed to your head, tell them to stop fighting like a coward, and use your hands as weapons.

A snake fights like a snake. Get Over It.

P.s. This is not a biased opinion, because I also main a whole list of characters.

• Pit
• PT
• Marth
• Ike
• Wolf
• Falco
• Fox
• Zelda
• Shiek
• Wario
• Bowser
• Luigi
• ToonLink
• Link
• Ganondorf
• Captain Falcon
• ICE CLIMBERS

 

[gods_basement]

in the american revolution, the english marched into battle standing in neat rows with red uniforms.

the americans lied prone and found cover.

The English were like "dude you guys are cowards, stand up and get shot!"

and the americans said "QQ you lil scrub. LOL" and opened a 3 inch hole in the Brit's face.

 

[NeroeXIII]

in the american revolution, the english marched into battle standing in neat rows with red uniforms.

the americans lied prone and found cover.

The English were like "dude you guys are cowards, stand up and get shot!"

and the americans said "QQ you lil scrub. LOL" and opened a 3 inch hole in the Brit's face.

Quoted for the beautiful truth.

 

[BloodyPuppy]

in the american revolution, the english marched into battle standing in neat rows with red uniforms.

the americans lied prone and found cover.

The English were like "dude you guys are cowards, stand up and get shot!"

and the americans said "QQ you lil scrub. LOL" and opened a 3 inch hole in the Brit's face.

I weep tears of happiness at the victory in this post.

And TC, I thought that this was a joke topic when I first read it. I would respond, but your argument has already been destroyed by the other posters. All I have to say is stop BAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWING!

 

[Pyr0]

in the american revolution, the english marched into battle standing in neat rows with red uniforms.

the americans lied prone and found cover.

The English were like "dude you guys are cowards, stand up and get shot!"

and the americans said "QQ you lil scrub. LOL" and opened a 3 inch hole in the Brit's face.

Quoted for the effin true.

 

[Moustachio]

Dumb People With False Thoughts Makes Brain Hurt...

 

[RyNo 86]

Give up, you lose. Just because you say snake is cheap doesn't mean he is. To really use the mine and C4 you have to practice. You need to learn spacing and timing, and you have to be able to read the other character, just like you have to practice IC's infinite grab.

in the american revolution, the english marched into battle standing in neat rows with red uniforms.

the americans lied prone and found cover.

The English were like "dude you guys are cowards, stand up and get shot!"

and the americans said "QQ you lil scrub. LOL" and opened a 3 inch hole in the Brit's face.

Again you lose.

 

[Kinlap]

Stop playing brawl, and the next time someone has a gun pointed to your head, tell them to stop fighting like a coward, and use your hands as weapons.

This post wins.

Also, I'll trade Snake's explosives (all of them) for no hammers and Nana in an IC match. Snake vs Popo in a man-to-man fist fight.

 

[RedMage8BT]

I don't think any of you understand what this guy is saying.

He means that Snake uses "cheap" tactics because he can damage without actually throwing, shooting, or hitting. NO other character can do that.

However, Dedede can do that also. His Waddle Doo can damage others without Dedede lifting a finger. (Toon) Link can drop his bombs so that others get damaged when they explode without Link doing anything, and Samus can do a similar thing as well. R.O.B.'s Gyromites can damage for a while after R.O.B. has thrown them.

Heck, you could even say reflecting projectiles is a cheap tactic. The character isn't even really doing anything to damage the opponent.

Just because these moves are "cheap" tactics doesn't make them broken or cowardly though...

 

[Sinz]

In all reality when we place land mines often they hurt our mobility with our mortar slides etc. I don't use the landmine too much only against faster characters or DEDEDE to stop any gay chaingrabbing that I don't break out of.

Seriously does it even matter if a character is cheap. Its a game in which people try to play good. Melee had Sheik and Brawl has Snake. So what. Your opinion won't change the underlying abilities in the game. Its been out a month wait for some stupid Ice climbers thing to come out.

Also, who cares about skill, look at shoryuken forums they want items.

 

[Rangles]

Am I the only one that thought the original post was hilarious?

Just checking...

 

[.D0c.]

Snake is really only going to be as cheap, cowardly or good as it's user. Having the potential to do a so called "cheap" move doesn't necessarily mean Snake is "cheap" since it is the user choice to utilize such a move in combat. Plus having this ability to plant mines forces Snake to lack an effective down smash in battle (i.e. Mario, Marth, Peach etc; ) Most of Snakes explosives are a double edged sword anyway, since all players including himself can be hurt by them at any time during the match (minus the mortar). Everything has its pros and cons.

 

[kevc]

lol OP is a tard

 

[FrozenFire13]

And the nominees for most win in a post are:

in the american revolution, the english marched into battle standing in neat rows with red uniforms.

the americans lied prone and found cover.

The English were like "dude you guys are cowards, stand up and get shot!"

and the americans said "QQ you lil scrub. LOL" and opened a 3 inch hole in the Brit's face.

Stop playing brawl, and the next time someone has a gun pointed to your head, tell them to stop fighting like a coward, and use your hands as weapons.

Rofl.

But yeah, I guess I'll say it as well. All of Snakes "cheap" moves can be used against him. Therefore nullifying said "cheap"ness. Logic FTW.

 

[Parthenon]

What was the point of this topic.

 

[Jeff Highwind]

What was the point of this topic.

Much like every new thread since Brawl's release: None.

 

[cyTO]

I recently started maining Snake and I vouch that mines are not cheap at all infact many times I have Mortar slided onto them or been knocked into my own mine and against many characters they can just destroy them.

 

[yoonie]

Now i know that this thread may require me to use a flame shield but hear me out, Snake is the most cheapest character by default because he uses landmines.

Now as your all probably well aware, nintendo came into dispute with censors over snakes landmines and for good reason, landmines are a cowardly form of combat that hurt & maim innocent people far more than there intended victims. In the context of the real world landmines are seen as extremely negative, yet in brawl Snakes landmines are seen as a positive thing.

Snake can set a landmine next to the edge, on a much used platform or even on his opponents. Snake can fill the arena with grendades which still work very much like landmines, no other projectile in the game has the same effect bar diddys bananas, coupled with his down smash you have a character who actually uses an extremely cowardly fighting style to hurt his enemies through strategic mine placement and not through actual battle.

It was inevitable with Snakes inclusion that real life weapons would be bought into the fray, sadly that also means that real life strategies come into play as well (AKA the placing of cowardly landmines.)
It's because of this trait that Snake is the most cheapest character by default, even marth doesn't hide behind such dirty tactics like mine placing.

This man is right, this is a SERIOUS issue. Cowardly snake shows up with land mines, a rocket launcher, and guerilla tactics. Meanwhile, all Mario has is a plunger and some crazy hops- CHEAP. I mean, game and watch doesn't have 3 dimensions and snake gets a ****in missle?

[sarcasm off]

 

[uremog]

swords aren't real life weapons, right?
XD

yeah, ok, whatever, don't use landmines, grenades or C4 then. we'll see how far you get.
and since when is strategic mine placement not real battle?

 

[Jeff Highwind]

This man is right, this is a SERIOUS issue. Cowardly snake shows up with land mines, a rocket launcher, and guerilla tactics. Meanwhile, all Mario has is a plunger and some crazy hops- CHEAP. I mean, game and watch doesn't have 3 dimensions and snake gets a ****in missle?

[sarcasm off]

Ah but G&W has a spray can, flags, fire, hammers, a chair, a briefcase, a Fishbowl (?!), a TURTLE, and last but not least: THE KEYBLADE!

God he's well equipped. xD

 

[Jebin_Zedalu]

Snake is nowhere near as cheap as Ice Climbers. Know those bullies in school that would gang up on other kids and refuse to fight one at a time? Yup, those are the Ice Climbers.


...Funny thing is, Snake and Ice Climbers are my two favorite characters to use behind Pokemon Trainer. XD

By the way, what's with bringing up "civilian casualties" in real life as a basis for why Snake shouldn't use mines in Brawl? That's like saying that Charizard shouldn't breath fire because fire burns little children that stick their hands on top of the stove while something's cooking.

 

[dr0go]

this guy doesnt know the difference between being a coward and being a ******.if SNAAAAAAAKE!!!!! uses all that is because he can.if you dont like it stop playing brawl and go back to melee where you wont get pwned by SNAAAAAAAKE!!!!!

 

[FrozenFire13]

Ah but G&W has a spray can, flags, fire, hammers, a chair, a briefcase, a Fishbowl (?!), a TURTLE, and last but not least: THE KEYBLADE!

God he's well equipped. xD

So the real issue here is how cheap G&W is! He has the most weapons out of all the characters! Man he's cheap! G&W=broken.

 

[Grandeza]

The number of ******* on the boards has increased ten fold since brawl's release.

 

[BloodyPuppy]

The number of ******* on the boards has increased ten fold since brawl's release.

The internet has always been as you describe. Brawl just brought the idiocy to your doorstep.

 

[abit_rusty]

By the way, what's with bringing up "civilian casualties" in real life as a basis for why Snake shouldn't use mines in Brawl? That's like saying that Charizard shouldn't breath fire because fire burns little children that stick their hands on top of the stove while something's cooking.

I don't think the argument was whether Snake should use landmines or not, rather, that they were "cheap". That post was just a witty, allegoric remark on said complaint. And by god it was a **** good one.

edit: I enjoyed reading this thread >.>

 

[Tube]

snake is not cheap, but really strong and a lot of diverst moves. His grenades and mines are a ***** though, especially on melee when you cant even see the screen because its zoomed out.

 

[FrozenFire13]

snake is not cheap, but really strong and a lot of diverst moves. His grenades and mines are a ***** though, especially on melee when you cant even see the screen because its zoomed out.

???*indicates confusion at mention of the word "Melee"*

 

[MarthSephirothfan]

This jellybelly imbecile obviously has no idea about what he is talking about.

 

[MrPhox]

wow, what a pointless thread.
snake is a new and fresh play style. A move's cheapness is related to how it breaks the game or simplifies the play so that it is the only option. A move is cheap if it makes a newb give a veteran a hard time simply by spamming it.

the "cheap" that you speak of has to do with the ideology and nature of the attack in relation to the real world. In which case isn't marth and ike's swords cheap? Swords are "real world" weapons. How about Link and Toon Link's arrows? Haven't innocent people died by these methods throughout history? Wait, that's right, land minds by nature hurt proportionatly more innocents than swords or arrows. Even if we ARE to assume that, considering we don't even have numbers here to compare them to swords and arrows, it's just plain stupid. Discussing the percentage of innocent casualties versus military casualties determines the cheapness of a videogame move? I think not.

I'm sorry sir, but I find you to be an IDIOT.