Smokers on SWF (Legal substances ONLY)

[KaoS]

I didn't read this thread ... But I'm a regular clove cigarette smoker. You die twice as fast and get twice the buzz.

I own 2 hookahs, both ready to be used at anytime. It's very social in my apartment.

 

[Crimson King]

Alright, thecheat said something to piss me off. Smoking does not cause cancer.

Your cell make up is predetermined to get cancer and smoking, among other things accelerates the degradation of cells along with MANY other things. I live in the shadow of a sugar cane plant. It rains black ash yearly. This is why MANY people who die of cancer never touch a cigarette. On the flip side, I have relatives who smoked their entire lives and died of other things that had no relation to cancer.

Don't buy everything anti-smoking campaigns tell you. I may not smoke, nor have any intention of it (though it would help calm my nerves, I prefer to go it solo), but don't just spit ignorant claims.

Also, if you say you hate smoking, or think its "gay" because it kills people you must also hate alcohol, all drugs, sex, cell phones, cars, microwaves, bottles, guns, knives, animals, people, rocks, rope, bricks, trees, food, and old age because they too kill people. *******.

 

[forward]

**** Crimson King just owned everyone good ****ing game guys peace out

 

[falco_4_life]

lol Crimson King ripped em up

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

At least now I know why he is one of the mods of the debate hall...

Excellently stated CK.

 

[KaoS]

Well, at least I feel a bit more comfortable about smoking. Thanks CK.

 

[Xsyven]

Also, if you say you hate smoking, or think its "gay" because it kills people you must also hate alcohol, all drugs, sex, cell phones, cars, microwaves, bottles, guns, knives, animals, people, rocks, rope, bricks, trees, food, and old age because they too kill people. *******.

Sex and trees kill people?

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

Sex puts strain on the heart and you can be impaled by a tree.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Sex facilitates STDs. It's kinda like how when you get stabbed, you don't die of being stabbed you die of blood loss or something like that.

 

[Wak]

Sex and trees kill people?

Sex = AIDS

Trees = we're cutting them all, because of that the Earth is getting more and more CO2 and CO2 kills

Sex facilitates STDs. It's kinda like how when you get stabbed, you don't die of being stabbed you die of blood loss or something like that.

I laugh right now. Lol.

 

[KM-013]

I beat azen in tournament twice when I was extremely high. I've quit since then though, and I haven't beaten him again.

 

[SuperBowser]

Alright, thecheat said something to piss me off. Smoking does not cause cancer.

Your cell make up is predetermined to get cancer and smoking, among other things accelerates the degradation of cells along with MANY other things. I live in the shadow of a sugar cane plant. It rains black ash yearly. This is why MANY people who die of cancer never touch a cigarette. On the flip side, I have relatives who smoked their entire lives and died of other things that had no relation to cancer.

Sorry, but surely smoking is still a cause of cancer? It's just that there's more than one cause.

 

[Virgilijus]

It is a catalyst for cancer, not a direct cause; for most people it can greatly speed up the cancerous mutations already in a cell while in others it does not propagate the mutations fast enough (in their lifetime) to give them cancer.

 

[SuperBowser]

I see. I was always under the impression that the carcinogens could act as the initiators/promoters, which kinda begins the problems in the cell. In my simple english, I'd have called it a cause, but I see your point.

to contribute something to the topic: I've only done shisha twice. I didn't like it either time. I guess it's a good sociable tool but the only flavour I found bareable was mint and I'd still prefer just sitting and talking.

I can't stand the smell of cigarrettes and whenever my jacket picks the smell up from bars/people I have to wash it the next day. Bit of a pet peeve i guess =/

edit: actually, most articles I've found are quite happy to simply state that smoking causes lung cancer. Including the BMJ (british medical journal).

 

[Sporkman]

I smell lung cancer.

I don't buy into a lot of the stuff that is being thrown around here.
First I'll start with Uncle Kenny and his attack on thesneak's statement. No disrespect Kenny but it was kinda ignorant to ignore the pejoration the word gay has gone through. It's meaning has broadened in that it has developed more. You can't doubt most of you link gay in a homosexual context with negative connotations, due to this being the case for the majority of the population, words such as bad, rubbish and shit (which would be used for stronger emphasis when describing something) are substituted for 'gay'. Therefore 'gay' no longer just means homosexual or joyous (the latter pretty much archaic). Thecheat used it in one of these newer varieties. Political correctness won't allow it but i would'nt be surprised if "adj3: bad, rubbish" came under gay in the dictionary.
That's enough of the language lesson, although there is nothing wrong with Kenny's view I just found it annoying.

I was quietly amused how the following 3 posts after Crimson King's are all great examples of brown-nosing. There is still strong correlation between those who develop lung cancer and smoke. Also, to say those who develop cancer and those who don't is a bit much, everyone has a possibility of developing cancer, perhaps some stronger then others, but smoking is a factor that can greatly increase the chances of developing lung cancer. If you take away everything else and compared people who got lung cancer and smoke to those who got lung cancer and didn't smoke the numbers in the former would be greatly higher. But yeah, smoking doesn't guarantee lung cancer but it makes you much more likely to get it. And it's not like lung cancer is the only thing you have a greater chance to develop. You are 25 times more likely to get COPD or emphysema as well. I remember watching a video some old woman lugging around a tank of oxygen because she couldn't breathe for jack without help. Every couple of steps she'd have to throw on this mask and breathe, mostly because she smoked when she was young. You shouldn't forget about the tar that clogs the pathways. Gets you hella tired out much quicker. Lets not forget heart attacks either, or the fact smoking while pregnant can have detrimental effects on the baby's growth or they could just suffer SIDS.

And it wouldn't be the trees that are killing us because they are being chopped down. It's not like they want to be. If you are going that indirect you should be blaming the loggers, saying they are killing us all. This way you could say people who don't stamp out there cigarettes/cigars/etc and leave it somewhere where it could start a fire and end up dying in the resulting flames are also killed by cigarettes .. or possibly the lighters.

I don't mind if people smoke, just hopefully they'll have the respect to do it away from non-smokers like myself. It pisses me off when they just light up without a care in the world. And the stench is sickening.

Finally, Wak, where did you learn to spell cigarette 'cigaret', I don't see anyone use that spelling anywhere, even most americans use the good ole way, and Canadians tend to follow the British spellings more-so!

EDIT: I see the lung cancer bit has been discussed more, no surprised, I wrote this whilst watching Shaolin Soccer. Quite possibly one of the craziest films I've ever seen.
But SuperBowser, is it preceded by 'can' or 'could'?

 

[tmw_redcell]

There's so much conflicting information about smoking that I don't know exactly what to think. But the smell alone is enough to keep me from making a habit out of it. Plus I'm cool enough already. But public smoking bans piss me off. I can understand public areas like sidewalks, bus stations, whatever, but in bars? It should be up to the bar owner to decide if people can smoke on their property, and it's a simple matter to inform potential employees that if they don't want to be exposed to second hand smoke they shouldn't take the job. Or they could wear a gas mask, that'd be badass. I'm sure with mounted concern about second hand smoke that enough 'smoke-free' bars would open up, and if they don't then that's fine too.

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

I don't buy into a lot of the stuff that is being thrown around here.
First I'll start with Uncle Kenny and his attack on thesneak's statement. No disrespect Kenny but it was kinda ignorant to ignore the pejoration the word gay has gone through. It's meaning has broadened in that it has developed more. You can't doubt most of you link gay in a homosexual context with negative connotations, due to this being the case for the majority of the population, words such as bad, rubbish and **** (which would be used for stronger emphasis when describing something) are substituted for 'gay'. Therefore 'gay' no longer just means homosexual or joyous (the latter pretty much archaic). Thecheat used it in one of these newer varieties. Political correctness won't allow it but i would'nt be surprised if "adj3: bad, rubbish" came under gay in the dictionary.
That's enough of the language lesson, although there is nothing wrong with Kenny's view I just found it annoying.

I knew what he meant when he said gay. I know it wasn't a sexual slur, it was an insult. Either way, whether I thought it was a sexual slur or an insult didn't effect the point which was don't make opinionated judgements (not that I was being clear though).

 

[falco_4_life]

I beat azen in tournament twice when I was extremely high. I've quit since then though, and I haven't beaten him again.

mayb u should just get a lil high when u play smash then. its like towlie off southpark. if u just let me get high lol

 

[Sporkman]

I beat azen in tournament twice when I was extremely high. I've quit since then though, and I haven't beaten him again.

mayb u should just get a lil high when u play smash then. its like towlie off southpark. if u just let me get high lol

Or maybe he just thought it was Azen because he was extremely high.

So because you think it's gay it is? I'll make sure to listen to you everytime I need to know what's gay or not

Not clear at all although, it doesn't really suggest you meant it in a homosexual way either and my bit on the word shouldn't sound so directly personal, it's for everybody

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

Twas sarcasm. I used it with its insult definition not its homesexual one.

 

[Matt]

There's so much conflicting information about smoking that I don't know exactly what to think. But the smell alone is enough to keep me from making a habit out of it. Plus I'm cool enough already. But public smoking bans piss me off. I can understand public areas like sidewalks, bus stations, whatever, but in bars? It should be up to the bar owner to decide if people can smoke on their property, and it's a simple matter to inform potential employees that if they don't want to be exposed to second hand smoke they shouldn't take the job. Or they could wear a gas mask, that'd be badass. I'm sure with mounted concern about second hand smoke that enough 'smoke-free' bars would open up, and if they don't then that's fine too.

Yeah, they recently passed such a ban in the city I'm in. My brother went to a rally against it outside of a city hall meeting, and when he told my parents that they were aghast. "You don't SMOKE! Or DO YOU?!?" He doesn't. He was of course against the principle of some government body telling private businesses what they can and can't do behind closed doors, especially when that something is perfectly legal. Where's the line drawn? Before you know it, local governments will look at faulty (read: eventually proven wrong) studies of something like supposedly harmful cooking oils and ban restaurants from allowing the use of said oils OH WHOOPS TOO LATE.

I don't smoke, but I respect your right to. Just don't blow it in my face, please. For some reason God gave me super sensitive nostrils and I really hate smelling like cigarettes.

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

The government is walking the line of communist in some areas which is completely hypocritical unless the government leaders forgot a little something called the cold war.

 

[Vinnie275]

i'm suprised no weed smokers except for forward who quit. i don't smoke it, but i'm around alot of people who do.

That is a bad thing to say that you do in public.
Consider this, most phone network carriers have you sign indiscreetly permission to have all your call logs available for investigation via any type or form of probable cause.

 

[Crimson King]

Yeah, they recently passed such a ban in the city I'm in. My brother went to a rally against it outside of a city hall meeting, and when he told my parents that they were aghast. "You don't SMOKE! Or DO YOU?!?" He doesn't. He was of course against the principle of some government body telling private businesses what they can and can't do behind closed doors, especially when that something is perfectly legal. Where's the line drawn? Before you know it, local governments will look at faulty (read: eventually proven wrong) studies of something like supposedly harmful cooking oils and ban restaurants from allowing the use of said oils OH WHOOPS TOO LATE.

I don't smoke, but I respect your right to. Just don't blow it in my face, please. For some reason God gave me super sensitive nostrils and I really hate smelling like cigarettes.

This law that was passed where you can't smoke indoors anywhere is utter bull****. Bars are going to lose business because they government had to intervene and impose its will on business owners. Instead of being allowed to accommodate people who smoke and don't smoke ALL businesses have to cast smokers out. Last time the government passed any laws like this was during the 1920s and we all know Prohibition was really productive and successful. Fact is the government will continue to pass **** legislation like this because we gave them the power to do so by not sticking by capitalism and adopting socialism. We are a socialist country that holds on very loosely the the cusps of capitalism.

 

[GoldShadow]

Alright, thecheat said something to piss me off. Smoking does not cause cancer.

Your cell make up is predetermined to get cancer and smoking, among other things accelerates the degradation of cells along with MANY other things.

To say that "smoking does not cause cancer" is a blatant misrepresentation of facts. By that logic, a lot of things don't cause anything. They only increase your chances twofold, or tenfold, or one hundredfold. It would be foolish to think that smoking cigarettes is not harmful to one's health.

 

[Crimson King]

Harmful to you health, yes. But they do not miraculously cause cancer. They just accelerate the growth and cell degradation. However, what you don't realize is there is no way to say for sure you will get cancer (save for family lineage and the like) so it's easy to blame something that causes so many other problems physically.

 

[forward]

I hate how this thread turned into a smoking vs non smoking thread...... all i wanted to do was talk about smoking with fellow smokers, you guys ****ing suck

 

[Sporkman]

It hasn't really turned into a smoking vs non smoking thread, just some people have voiced why they don't like it and won't do it. It's become a "the american government sucks for doing this" thread. For the most part anyway, other people are complaining about their government too.

I don't see the big fuss on the smoking ban, over here bars and the such can get smoking permits and I can't imagine that being too hard to implement if you don't have them already.

 

[Virgilijus]

I started thinking about it and would say that around twenty/fifteen percent of people on my campus are smokers, not including faculty.

Last year the university tried to take cigarettes off of stores on campus but failed. I guess they realized they wanted the money...to benefit our learning...

 

[Crimson King]

I don't see the big fuss on the smoking ban, over here bars and the such can get smoking permits and I can't imagine that being too hard to implement if you don't have them already

The problem comes when the government decides it's ok to tell a business who they can or can't allow in their store and cuts the business in half. Bars cannot have smoking UNLESS they own the building (not rent or lease) and they have a new type of ventilation system. It is not right at all.

And forward, as I said, it doesn't matter what you want. You posted on a public space of an issue that some people feel adamantly against. It would be like me making a topic called "My job at the abortion clinic" and demanding that only people who had abortions or work at such clinics can post there. It won't happen.

 

[Matt]

I started thinking about it and would say that around twenty/fifteen percent of people on my campus are smokers, not including faculty.

Last year the university tried to take cigarettes off of stores on campus but failed. I guess they realized they wanted the money...to benefit our learning...

A recent poll at NIU estimated that 47% of students here smoke. It's not allowed in any campus building, but it's perfectly acceptable outside of the buildings. I'm pretty sure you can't smoke in the stores on campus here...

 

[sheepyman]

I think he was saying that they sold cigarettes in stores on campus, and they were trying to get rid of that.

My high school allowed smoking inside in the 80s, but not anymore.

My college (UofMichigan) is just like Matt's.

 

[SuperBowser]

EDIT: I see the lung cancer bit has been discussed more, no surprised, I wrote this whilst watching Shaolin Soccer. Quite possibly one of the craziest films I've ever seen.
But SuperBowser, is it preceded by 'can' or 'could'?

Neither. It's a book rather than something online so I can't link you to it unfortunately...

I was just a little confused as I'd just done an exam with cancer as a topic and I'm pretty sure I wrote down smoking causes cancer by ______.

And yes, shaolin soccer rules

 

[forward]

And forward, as I said, it doesn't matter what you want. You posted on a public space of an issue that some people feel adamantly against. It would be like me making a topic called "My job at the abortion clinic" and demanding that only people who had abortions or work at such clinics can post there. It won't happen.

No, it's more like when you make a topic about liking gamecube and people start posting about all the things they don't like about it and that x-box is better.

It's like posting on smashboards and only saying that smash bros sucks and everyone should stop playing the game.

You're right, it's not like there's anything to stop them, they're just idiots for doing so.

What people should realize is that there is a big culture to smoking. There's a lot more to discuss about it than something simple like smoking a cig.

And isn't that what the debate room is for? How about this, for those of you who wanna debate this why don't u go there?

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

CK's point was that you can't make a public thing private. It's like telling people you don't like not to sit down on a public bench. They can and will do whatever the hell they want because they are allowed to as long as it abides by the forum's rules not your own. If you think you can stop people from voicing their opinion then you're an idiot.

 

[forward]

Point taken.

My point is that people who change the subject are idiots.

I'm gonna go be an idiot in the pool room now..............

 

[Jazzy Jinx]

Point taken.

My point is that people who change the subject are idiots.

I'm gonna go be an idiot in the pool room now..............

Welcome to the Proom.

 

[Zero Beat]

Hookah is just as bad for you as cigarettes because you're smoking coals.

Also people, can we please refrain from turning this into a "non-smokers tell us what we're doing is bad" thread? We know smoking is unhealthy thank you.

Then what exactly are you referring yourself to as? Unless you're not in a relationship and don't have people that care about your well being.

You know when you might think about definitely quitting? When the very life of you is being coughed away in the bathroom sink. That usually works better than those pads and ****.

 

[forward]

Wow, you quoted me but still ignored everything I said, even with my words in your posts.

We know smoking is unhealthy, thank you.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Then lets get on point.

Pick your poison? I always get Camel b/c of all the artwork **** they send me. Cant say I enjoy the taste.