Smash WiiU & 3DS Miiverse Daily Pic - May 13th

[TheLegendOfVenusaur]

I think they could of done so much with his down b. Some I thought he'd maybe get are will-o-wisp, fire spin (both would act like placing Zelda's side b in project m.)

roost would be a small heal that heals half as much as flare blitz's recoil but you lose the ability to do charizard's extra jumps for a short time

Smoke screen would act like a short smoke bomb from brawl, obscuring a small area in front of charizard.

Using Dragon tail, charizard would swing his tail around him with little damage but great knockback.

Using sky drop, charizard would grab the opponent, fly up and slam them down similar to his seismic toss throw in project m. In the air, charizard would fly straight down.

Dragon breath would be a slow, long projectile attack using blue flames

Flame burst would be a quick, short projectile using bright red/yellow/orange flame.

These are my ideas, what about yours?

 

[TheLegendOfVenusaur]

But Pikachu could learn Skull Bash by TM in Red/Blue...

Ok, let's give charizard bubble in smash five! (Not really)

 

[extremechiton]

I don't get why ppl think pulling a rock out of nowhere is awkward.
Kirby pulls a hammer out of nowhere and a sword
Link pulls a bow out of nowhere
Mario pulls fluff out of nowhere
Game and watch pulls buckets trampolines frying pans parachutes hammers turtles fish bowls credit cards keys and who knows what else out of nowhere
Snake pulls a box mortar org and middle launcher out of know where
Sonic pulls a spring out of nowhere
See pulls waddle dees doos and Gordon out of nowhere
OMG villager pulls umbrellas sticks bowling balls sling shots turnips fire works shovels gyroid and nets out nowhere
What's the big deal?

 

[Mode]

Staying true to the game? That worries me about Greninja's substitute now.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Flare Blitz?

Eh, still nice for variety.

 

[Bobojack]

Lil' Mac or Male WFT... can't quite make out which.

Male Wii Fit Trainer doing a dsmash.

 

[HugoBoss]

Guess this means Pokemon trainer is definitely not returning

 

[The Derrit]

Rock Smash best move.

 

[Sol_Vent]

Not sure how I feel about Rock Smash returning. It was pretty much the only move I used on Charizard, but that's exactly the reason I stopped playing him. It was boring.

Honestly, I'll be completely cool with it if the boulder is on fire.

 

[Rymi]

kinda dissapointed that mega stone is his final smash but i guess it isent to bad

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Aww. I was preferring that Charizard X was an alternate costume, with Charizard Y on the 3DS.
Oh well.

At least we still have Shiny Charizard.

 

[Oracle_Summon]

At first, I thought it was Kirby riding the Dragoon.

 

[BladeOFLucas]

Can't wait to play him and find out the merits, locations, etc. of his sweet and sour spots. Looks like a good move.

 

[<π]

rock smash was charizard's best special I don't understand all the hate.

 

[Ryu Myuutsu]

You wanted Mega Charizard X as an alt? wat?
That would have been so underwhelming, whatever you are smoking stop it.

 

[Jerodak]

More importantly, will it have a seismic toss up-throw like the one in Project M?

 

[Kink-Link5]

Flare Blitz is also not really associated as Charizard's disappointing Atk stat renders it as eh.

A lot of pokemon would pay money for a base 130 or even 104 ATK.

Also, the number one most used moveset zard overall in the current metagame is the following:


# 1 - 10.03 % (4792 battles)
Charizard @ Charizardite X Lv. 100 -- Blaze (92.2 %) / Solar Power (7.8 %)
Nature: Adamant - EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd (23.4 %)

• Earthquake
• Dragon Claw
• Dragon Dance
• Flare Blitz

If you're going to bring up "disapointing attack," I would agree that a normal base 86 is not great, but would also contend that any child not even knowing anything about the intricacies of the game is going to want to slap a move that has 120 power onto their cool dwagon. It also happens to be the LAST move Charizard naturally learns, a full 6 levels after its previous move. It's pretty iconic for a flaming dragon to use a flaming tackle. Rock smash, however, could very easily be replaced with a tweeked variant of his old fire sneeze fair as Heat Wave.

 

[Ekans647]

Not sure how I feel about Rock Smash returning. It was pretty much the only move I used on Charizard, but that's exactly the reason I stopped playing him. It was boring.

Honestly, I'll be completely cool with it if the boulder is on fire.

Well, Charizard's Pokedex entry did say his flames are hot enough to melt boulders, so Rock Smash being on fire could happen.

 

[SmashShadow]

Rock smash is a horrible way to represent Charizard and is super uniconic as far as he goes. That said, it was a great move in Brawl and I expect that in this game as well.

 

[LordShade67]

A lot of pokemon would pay money for a base 130 or even 104 ATK.

He's probably referring to NORMAL Charizard, which(while I like the Pokemon itself) should NEVER be used in OU.
Anyways, Mega Charizard X being a Final Smash is exactly what I predicted, but still, **** YES! I'm so-so about Rock Smash, but I like that Flare Blitz is faithful to the RPG games. Now, if it can be combo-ed into....

On that note, this means Up Special is the only Zard special we don't know about. Maybe his Down Special from Project M? Maybe asking for too much.

 

[Kink-Link5]

He's probably referring to NORMAL Charizard, which(while I like the Pokemon itself) should NEVER be used in OU.
Anyways, Mega Charizard X being a Final Smash is exactly what I predicted, but still, **** YES! I'm so-so about Rock Smash, but I like that Flare Blitz is faithful to the RPG games. Now, if it can be combo-ed into....

On that note, this means Up Special is the only Zard special we don't know about. Maybe his Down Special from Project M? Maybe asking for too much.

I did edit a bit after that in, but I'll rephase it too -- Even ignoring his attack-focused mega evolution (Which it seems to very clearly have in this iteration of smash), it's still very much iconic for it to have one of the strongest fire attacks in the game, and one which no doubt many children are excited to teach it when given the opportunity. I'd not be surprised if the most common moveset for a child's Charizard is Fly, Fire Blast, Flame Thrower, and Flare Blitz.

 

[MAGMIS]

Is it just me, or will rock smash be awkward to use as a down b?

hopefully, idk myself, but ima guess dat rock smash could use some sort of defensive/offensive mechanic like Zelda down special move.

I wonder what his Up special move will be?
if It were to be "Fly" ? but that would look like him just jumping.

 

[Lil Puddin]

Not the biggest fan of recoil damage. Hopefully either it does more than enough damage to make up for that fault. If not then hopefully there will be a custom variation of the move that will alleviate that issue.

Well Charizard is very heavy, has great recovery, and great air game. So the recoil won't really be an issue. Assuming the move is even worth using. If recoil damaging moves were added to someone like Zelda or Jigglypuff, then it'd be an awful idea right from the start.

 

[Wasp]

I don't see the problem with rock smash. I think people are having more trouble with it being logical.

Argument
Where does he get a giant rock?
Response
Where does link keep those bombs, or mario get his water for the flood?

Argument
He can learn the move in pkm, but why would you teach it to him?
Response
It's always good to have an off type move incase you get into a tight spot. Also this charizard was trained up for this contest, so the trainer made sure it was ready for anything

again... Ignore the logic of getting the rock outta nowhere... Just know that there is no trainer involved with charizard so its a wild one. That means he must know natural attacks... And rock smash isn't one of them.... I personally love the Charizard from PM. Its how charizard should had been in the first place. More fire stuff.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Well Charizard is very heavy, has great recovery, and great air game. So the recoil won't really be an issue. Assuming the move is even worth using. If recoil damaging moves were added to someone like Zelda or Jigglypuff, then it'd be an awful idea right from the start.

Besides which, a move with recoil damage is better than a move that doesn't exist. At worst, you can just not use the move, just as you did when it wasn't available.

 

[DarkDream]

Is it just me or are they just taking more and more stuff from Project M?

 

[Delzethin]

All the talk about Flare Blitz, but did anyone catch how they confirmed Megazard X is a Final Smash and not some other form change? This also means Mega Lucario is itself a FS, and brings up some interesting possibilities.

So as far as we know, the only buff Lucario gains from going into mega form is that it maxes his aura boost regardless of how much damage he's taken, right? It sounds really underwhelming for a FS, right? Especially compared to Giga Bowser or Wario-Man or what we've seen of the Three Sacred Treasures!

But...I'm willing to bet that unlike other transformation-based FSes, Lucario's and Charizard's will imitate their games and be less powerful overall, but last until they get knocked out. Maybe Megazard X gets a version of Tough Claws and has all of his contact moves hit 30% harder, while his fire-based moves gain bigger hitboxes...

 

[Ragna22]

If they're bringing back rock smash I hope they at least increase the range.

As for Flare Blitz that's actually really cool that they through in the recoil damage because first off it's not something you'd think they'd add and second, the fact that you take damage from attacking others with it alone is atestimate to how powerful this attack will be.

 

[Kink-Link5]

Is it just me or are they just taking more and more stuff from Project M?

Was this posted in the wrong place? This pic has nothing to do with PM.

 

[Phan7om]

Likin the new Zard so far!

 

[Snagrio]

Looks like to could be useful as a horizontal recovery.

 

[Road Death Wheel]

again... Ignore the logic of getting the rock outta nowhere... Just know that there is no trainer involved with charizard so its a wild one. That means he must know natural attacks... And rock smash isn't one of them.... I personally love the Charizard from PM. Its how charizard should had been in the first place. More fire stuff.

Its literally impossible that a trainer is not involved. to mega evolve you have to have a trainer bond. (and a really close one at that)

 

[Time/SpaceMage]

It's always good to have an off type move incase you get into a tight spot. Also this charizard was trained up for this contest, so the trainer made sure it was ready for anything

In that case maybe he should've taught it Cut instead, to deal with the Villager's trees blocking the way lol.

Was this posted in the wrong place? This pic has nothing to do with PM.

Maybe he means how Zard has a down-B now.

 

[Trav11111]

again... Ignore the logic of getting the rock outta nowhere... Just know that there is no trainer involved with charizard so its a wild one. That means he must know natural attacks... And rock smash isn't one of them.... I personally love the Charizard from PM. Its how charizard should had been in the first place. More fire stuff.

But if it's the same charizard just released into the wild then it would have the same moves.

 

[Time/SpaceMage]

But if it's the same charizard just released into the wild then it would have the same moves.

Well once E3 hits, we can see his enttrance animation to see if he comes out of a pokeball like Pikachu does.

 

[CardiganBoy]

Not really interested in Charizard, but why so upset about Rock Smash, that move is the Boss Killer in Brawl.

 

[Time/SpaceMage]

Come to think of it, the change to RS would make it much harder to reverse. On the other hand, it would be interesting for his mixup game and recovery if there was a timing difference between glair and glide cancelled into fwd-B.

What does everyone think, should glides stay the same as Brawl?

 

[infomon]

to all the haters: I will hit rocks on my head at you!!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

At first I thought it was Captain Falcon, but nope. Actually is Charizard.

 

[Accursed]

I really like this change. Flare Blitz works better than Rock Smash as a side special, imo.

Charizard Set: EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spe, 4 HP.
Item: Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze / Tough Claws

- Fly (Flying STAB, also good for recovery)
- Flamethrower (Special Fire STAB, not sure why this is here)
- Flare Blitz (Main Fire Physical STAB, beware with recoil damage)
- Rock Smash (Fighting Coverage Move)

I'm guessing Flamethrower is for countering physical walls.