Smash Ultimate general series discussion: Part 9: Fire Emblem (with polls)

[Mogisthelioma]

(Disclaimer: I know I have another thread in regards to FE but this is way different, just friendly discussion. Also please don't make alts, I got blamed for someone else's alts because of that thread. Long story.)

Part 9 of a series covering all 12 of Smash's IP's with 12 or more fighters.

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Starting in 1990 with the original Japanese exclusive release, Fire Emblem has become one of Nintendo's most recognizable franchises. Undeniably it has sold well on the 3DS and is making the transition to the Switch shortly, with Fire Emblem: Three Houses. Undeniably so is also the controversy over the placement of certain Fire Emblem content in Super Smash Bros. Despite all of that, this thread is dedicated simply to the friendly discussion and speculation of FE.

Since the opening topic is always about the roster, we're going to open up with an interesting topic:

If Lyn was ever upgraded from assist trophy status to fighter, what kind of a fighter would you like her to be?

 

[Opossum]

Lyn's swordstyle isn't able to be replicated by any current character. If she were to ever get in, she'd need to be unique.

Anywho, Fire Emblem is one of my favorite franchises, only below Pokémon. Chrom and Marth are my first and fifth favorite characters in the franchise, and I'm thrilled they're both playable. I just wish the series got more stages based on specific locations. Right now we only have Arena Ferox (which happens to be my favorite stage for that reason).

Other characters I'd like to see range from having low odds due to timing (characters like Celica and Caeda), to characters that I love but wouldn't get in because they aren't main characters (like Merric and Silque). I find a lot of hate for the characters to be overblown as well when you actually look at the additions in context.

 

[Quillion]

Lyn's swordstyle isn't able to be replicated by any current character. If she were to ever get in, she'd need to be unique.

I've recently thought that Lyn could be another redonkulously fast swordfighter with bad killing potential like Meta Knight. I'm sure most people wouldn't mind having his niche be occupied by just one more character a la Greninja with Sheik.

 

[Deleted member]

If Lyn must become a newcomer, then she needs to have her own moveset. Not only does FE have to many stale fighters as it is, but Lyn's style of swordsmanship doesn't excactly fit Marth or Roy.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

So people like Lyn because of her animations, right? I still don't quite get it.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Unique. Although if Takamaru ever got in I could see her being able to borrow some elements from him. Like Quillion suggested she'd have a much faster sword style similar to Metaknight.

I'd suggest she use her secondary weapon of the bow, but honestly it doesn't seem like any other Lord in Smash has been given their secondaries; No axe for Ike, or lance for Chrom for example, so the chance of Lyn using anything other than pure katana moves seems low.

 

[TheYungLink]

I was originally going to put "A fighter in her own slot, but with a somewhat similar moveset to another fighter" because I envisioned her as having Meta Knight's extremely quick, few-frame sword strikes since she uses a katana (a very bad sword that you need to swing EXTREMELY fast to make it work), but while that's a big part of her, I think she could have a few more things going for her.

I've recently thought that Lyn could be another redonkulously fast swordfighter with bad killing potential like Meta Knight. I'm sure most people wouldn't mind having his niche be occupied by just one more character a la Greninja with Sheik.

If Lyn must become a newcomer, then she needs to have her own moveset. Not only does FE have to many stale fighters as it is, but Lyn's style of swordsmanship doesn't excactly fit Marth or Roy.

Pretty much. While she'd be yet another blade user, her style still can't be replicated by anyone else.

So people like Lyn because of her animations, right? I still don't quite get it.

Well the GBA Fire Emblem attack animations are EXTREMELY well-made, and the critical hits straight up look like they jumped straight out of an anime.

Which is another thing. We have lots of Fire Emblem characters in the roster, but Lyn has the potential of being the flashiest.

 

[Frizz]

There is absolutely no way that she could be an Echo Fighter of Ike, Robin, or Corrin. Myrmidions such as her don't really fight like that. She'd have to be her own fighter, whereas she'd have one of the most aggressive playstyles. Her swings would be quick, but with low knockback. She'd have one of the best running and jumping speeds, but she'd also be somewhat lightweighted. Her specials should at least have a chance of a Critical Hit occurring, like Luigi's misfires. I'd prefer it if she used a bow in one of her specials, but Sakurai doesn't seem to interested in the Fire Emblem characters' promoted classes too much. I'm sure Lyn has more source material to work with from Fire Emblem Warriors and Heroes, but I haven't played those games, so I can't provide as much insight on her as those who have. It honestly astounds me that characters like Lyn, Anna, and Tiki aren't fighters yet. They're all important and unique characters, with tons of source material to work with. Hopefully the next Smash game will have at least 2 out of aforementioned as fighters.

 

[Arthur97]

I don't really want Lyn as a fighter, but she'd pretty much be another Marth clone or a unique fighter.

Lyn's swordstyle isn't able to be replicated by any current character. If she were to ever get in, she'd need to be unique.

Anywho, Fire Emblem is one of my favorite franchises, only below Pokémon. Chrom and Marth are my first and fifth favorite characters in the franchise, and I'm thrilled they're both playable. I just wish the series got more stages based on specific locations. Right now we only have Arena Ferox (which happens to be my favorite stage for that reason).

Other characters I'd like to see range from having low odds due to timing (characters like Celica and Caeda), to characters that I love but wouldn't get in because they aren't main characters (like Merric and Silque). I find a lot of hate for the characters to be overblown as well when you actually look at the additions in context.

Since when did accuracy matter?

There is absolutely no way that she could be an Echo Fighter of Ike, Robin, or Corrin. Myrmidions such as her don't really fight like that. She'd have to be her own fighter, whereas she'd have one of the most aggressive playstyles. Her swings would be quick, but with low knockback. She'd have one of the best running and jumping speeds, but she'd also be somewhat lightweighted. Her specials should at least have a chance of a Critical Hit occurring, like Luigi's misfires. I'd prefer it if she used a bow in one of her specials, but Sakurai doesn't seem to interested in the Fire Emblem characters' promoted classes too much. I'm sure Lyn has more source material to work with from Fire Emblem Warriors and Heroes, but I haven't played those games, so I can't provide as much insight on her as those who have. It honestly astounds me that characters like Lyn, Anna, and Tiki aren't fighters yet. They're all important and unique characters, with tons of source material to work with. Hopefully the next Smash game will have at least 2 out of aforementioned as fighters.

I doubt Warriors games will get much if any reference.

As for the others, FE is already considered bloated, Anna and Tiki especially seem unlikely.

 

[Opossum]

I don't really want Lyn as a fighter, but she'd pretty much be another Marth clone or a unique fighter.

Since when did accuracy matter?

I doubt Warriors games will get much if any reference.

As for the others, FE is already considered bloated, Anna and Tiki especially seem unlikely.

With Lucina not getting her canon stance, it arguably isn't as big of a deal since it's still a broadsword like Marth's, and if you stretch it, the fact that she took on Marth's name makes it make a small amount of sense.

Making a katana user emulate a broadsword user, though? That'd be ridiculous. And that's coming from someone who likes Lucina a whole lot more than Lyn.

Unique. Although if Takamaru ever got in I could see her being able to borrow some elements from him. Like Quillion suggested she'd have a much faster sword style similar to Metaknight.

I'd suggest she use her secondary weapon of the bow, but honestly it doesn't seem like any other Lord in Smash has been given their secondaries; No axe for Ike, or lance for Chrom for example, so the chance of Lyn using anything other than pure katana moves seems low.

Honestly I'd be surprised if Lyn didn't use her bow for some moves. Specifically, Mulagir.

Heroes made her become practically as synonymous with it as she is with Mani Katti and Sol Katti.

 

[Arthur97]

With Lucina not getting her canon stance, it arguably isn't as big of a deal since it's still a broadsword like Marth's, and if you stretch it, the fact that she took on Marth's name makes it make a small amount of sense.

Making a katana user emulate a broadsword user, though? That'd be ridiculous. And that's coming from someone who likes Lucina a whole lot more than Lyn.


Honestly I'd be surprised if Lyn didn't use her bow for some moves. Specifically, Mulagir.

Heroes made her become practically as synonymous with it as she is with Mani Katti and Sol Katti.

The name argument annoys me. I can change my name to Sakurai, but that doesn't mean I'll suddenly become a good game developer.

Yes, it would be odd, but this is Sakurai we're talking about.

Also, is Falchion really a broadsword and not a longsword? Ironically, it's not a falchion though.

 

[FirestormNeos]

But we already have the "Fire Emblem general series discussion" thread!

As for Lyn? I'd be very much interested in her being in the game as a bow-user. Maybe have her assassination sword that she's used in her assist trophy appearances for a final smash?

 

[PsySmasher]

Lyn being more focused on archery would be an interesting way to add diversity to the FE roster. However, I don't think Sakurai would prioritize that over the Sol Katti or Mani Katti as her main weapon of choice.

Is it plausible that they could implement her as a dual-wielding sword fighter instead of using just one of the Kattis? I feel like that could be a good way to diversify her from the rest of the cast.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly though, if FE were going to get a newcomer, I’d rather it be Alm.

 

[Glaciacott]

For those who lack imagination, Lyn would almost wind up being something similar to what sheik or Zamus are, but with a sword and a bow. As a whole it would be ludicrous to imagine her echoing any of the current Fire Emblem cast.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

And that's coming from someone who likes Lucina a whole lot more than Lyn.

Please refrain from ad hominem arguments. That's what happened in the other thread.

Honestly I'd love to see Lyn in as a unique fighter, but Just like Waluigi, I can easily think of another 50 fighters I would rather have than her.

 

[Opossum]

Please refrain from ad hominem arguments. That's what happened in the other thread.

Honestly I'd love to see Lyn in as a unique fighter, but Just like Waluigi, I can easily think of another 50 fighters I would rather have than her.

Literally no part of what I said was ad hominem.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Literally no part of what I said was ad hominem.

Were you referring to yourself, or the person with the Lucina profile picture?

Sorry if I got that confused.

 

[Opossum]

Were you referring to yourself, or the person with the Lucina profile picture?

Sorry if I got that confused.

I was referring to myself.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I was referring to myself.

Whoops sorry.

 

[Arthur97]

Were you referring to yourself, or the person with the Lucina profile picture?

Sorry if I got that confused.

And what part of mine was as hominem? Enlighten me.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

And what part of mine was as hominem? Enlighten me.

Whn he said "Coming from a person who likes Lucina a lot more," I though they were referring to your profile pic. This happened in the other thread and it got pretty ugly so I'm just trying my best to stop that from happening again.

 

[Arthur97]

Whn he said "Coming from a person who likes Lucina a lot more," I though they were referring to your profile pic. This happened in the other thread and it got pretty ugly so I'm just trying my best to stop that from happening again.

I never took it as referring to me.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I never took it as referring to me.

I did for a second, my mistake.

 

[Mariomaniac45213]

I've said it before and I'll say it again I'd welcome another/more Fire Emblem characters if they got put in over certain 3rd party characters people are clamoring for BUT after other Nintendo series both under-represented in Smash or not represented in Smash yet got their characters. I don't think the problem is too many Fire Emblem characters but rather that they lack variety (minus Robin and Corrin) they are all sword users and 4 of them have blue hair AND the rate at which they were added. I don't think nearly as many people would've complained about Fire Emblem representation had Smash 4 not have added 4 Fire Emblem characters in 1 game. Even Mario Nintendo's biggest IP never got 4 reps added in 1 Smash game. If Sakurai had spaced it out like had Lucina and Robin be the only 2 new Fire Emblem reps for Smash 4 and saved Roy, Corrin, and Chrom for this game I think it would've been better received because Roy would've returned anyway because "Everyone is here!", Corrin could've been the brand new "relevant" newcomer for Ultimate, and Chrom would've still been the fan favorite ballot echo.

 

[Troykv]

I personally don't care a lot about Lyn outside of being quite pretty... but if she was playable; she wouldn't just be a echo, her style is a bit too different; maybe she can borrow some animations; but she needs a overall more japanese-like fighting style xD.

I'm personally more into Micaiah for several reasons (If you're interested visit Micaiah's Thread, we have cookies)

 

[Luigifan18]

I personally don't care a lot about Lyn outside of being quite pretty... but if she was playable; she wouldn't just be a echo, her style is a bit too different; maybe she can borrow some animations; but she needs a overall more japanese-like fighting style xD.

I'm personally more into Micaiah for several reasons (If you're interested visit Micaiah's Thread, we have cookies)

It would help if you put up a link. I'll do it for you, though.

 

[Frizz]

It would help if you put up a link. I'll do it for you, though.

Well, there IS a link to the Micaiah support thread in their signature.

Ah, but your help is still appreciated.

 

[Luigifan18]

Well, there IS a link to the Micaiah support thread in their signature.

Ah, but your help is still appreciated.

... ... ...whoops, I completely missed that.

Anyways, since we're talking Fire Emblem, I'd also like to mention the Veronica support thread.

 

[CardiganBoy]

I would love Alm as a Roy Echo, but that spot is already taken by Chrom, who i also accept, but yeah i'm just gonna say Lyn now.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

One thing I find hilarious about Lyn is that American censorship companies asked them to edit Lyn's trophy because it was "too revealing." And here we are in America letting games like RDR2, GTA and COD go without any objections.

Also am I the only one who wants Edelgard with Hector as an echo?

 

[Blackwolf666]

I’ve said it multiple times in other threads but I’d like to see a move set that gives her archery attacks along with her swordsmanship.

 

[Arthur97]

One thing I find hilarious about Lyn is that American censorship companies asked them to edit Lyn's trophy because it was "too revealing." And here we are in America letting games like RDR2, GTA and COD go without any objections.

Also am I the only one who wants Edelgard with Hector as an echo?

She was also originally 16.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

She was also originally 16.

Well now I'm really uncomfortable. I though she was 18.

 

[Luigifan18]

Well now I'm really uncomfortable. I though she was 18.

She is 18 in English versions of the game.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

She is 18 in English versions of the game.

(make up your mind about your girls, Nintendo)

I have seen some artwork of her that is really uncomfortable to look at. She's wearing practically nothing under her waist aside from a skirt that reaches slightly down like a Roman legionary's groin guard. Except it's a piece of blue garment. When I say I want Lyn in the game, sometimes I'm worried about people countering and calling me some kind of a pervert.

 

[Arthur97]

(make up your mind about your girls, Nintendo)

I have seen some artwork of her that is really uncomfortable to look at. She's wearing practically nothing under her waist aside from a skirt that reaches slightly down like a Roman legionary's groin guard. Except it's a piece of blue garment. When I say I want Lyn in the game, sometimes I'm worried about people countering and calling me some kind of a pervert.

As was stated, in English, she is 18, but given her Japanese age, is it really that surprising that NoA may have wanted to cover their bases with her design? Also, you talk of American censorship companies, but remember, Nintendo had nothing to do with those games. NoA will have different standards. And Japan also has the whole Palutena thing from Smash 4.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

As was stated, in English, she is 18, but given her Japanese age, is it really that surprising that NoA may have wanted to cover their bases with her design? Also, you talk of American censorship companies, but remember, Nintendo had nothing to do with those games. NoA will have different standards. And Japan also has the whole Palutena thing from Smash 4.

Sakurai said what American censorship companies shouldn't have a problem with slightly revealing trophies if they let gun violence in games go unchallenged. The comparison I made came directly from him, when he was interviewed about the CERO censorship of Palutena.

 

[Arthur97]

Sakurai said what American censorship companies shouldn't have a problem with slightly revealing trophies if they let gun violence in games go unchallenged. The comparison I made came directly from him, when he was interviewed about the CERO censorship of Palutena.

Actually, I believe he said that guns were one of the first things ESRB asked about while CERO was more concerned with what does it look like when you flip female characters upside down. Also remember that ESRB and PEGI didn't care about Palutena while CERO did. Also, I think he said western in general.

Also, you kind of answer you own question when you say you're afraid of being viewed as a pervert for wanting Lyn.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Also, you kind of answer you own question when you say you're afraid of being viewed as a pervert for wanting Lyn.

How

I want her in because she would be unique and fun, and to prove that 3 times running AT's can still be added, not because I think she's attractive (I don't).