Smash Ultimate general series discussion: Part 9: Fire Emblem (with polls)

[Arthur97]

How

I want her in because she would be unique and fun, and to prove that 3 times running AT's can still be added, not because I think she's attractive (I don't).

Yes, but you said you're afraid of it. You think NoA was unaware of that? So, they changed it (apparently).

 

[KetchupKaffei]

I rather not have another inflation of FE characters again..

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Yes, but you said you're afraid of it. You think NoA was unaware of that? So, they changed it (apparently).

Guess that makes sense. TBH I always feel uncomfortable when picking/using female characters in any game because someone always accuses me of being attracted to them. Just yesterday I was at my school playing Super Mario Party with my friends and I picked Rosalina. Immediately someone shouted, "look, he picked the space waifu!" and everyone looked at me. I felt super embarrassed.

 

[Luigifan18]

Guess that makes sense. TBH I always feel uncomfortable when picking/using female characters in any game because someone always accuses me of being attracted to them. Just yesterday I was at my school playing Super Mario Party with my friends and I picked Rosalina. Immediately someone shouted, "look, he picked the space waifu!" and everyone looked at me. I felt super embarrassed.

...Was the person who said that a straight male/gay female? I'm asking because I suspect psychological projection.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

...Was the person who said that a straight male/gay female? I'm asking because I suspect psychological projection.

Not sure, but she was a girl.

I think she was just teasing me because everyone at my gamers' club loves me (after I gave a guy 20 dollars so he could buy Cuphead)

 

[PsySmasher]

One thing I find hilarious about Lyn is that American censorship companies asked them to edit Lyn's trophy because it was "too revealing." And here we are in America letting games like RDR2, GTA and COD go without any objections.

Also am I the only one who wants Edelgard with Hector as an echo?

I actually had a similar idea. Except having Anna (in her Heroes incarnation), echo Edelgard instead of Hector (the body frames work out better that way).

It's also a nice way to acknowledge Nintendo's growing mobile market.

 

[Oddball]

Just yesterday I was at my school playing Super Mario Party with my friends and I picked Rosalina. Immediately someone shouted, "look, he picked the space waifu!" and everyone looked at me. I felt super embarrassed.

Why should you be embaressed? You weren't the one who seriously used the word "waifu".

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

What's wrong with being attracted to Rosalina? And wasn't Lyn originally 15 in the Japanese version? Who cares what number is listed next to her? Her drawing is either attractive or not. People who complain about these things sound like they have issues they need to work out.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

What's wrong with being attracted to Rosalina? And wasn't Lyn originally 15 in the Japanese version? Who cares what number is listed next to her? Her drawing is either attractive or not. People who complain about these things sound like they have issues they need to work out.

In the other thread, people started shouting insults at each other, calling FEH a "horny weeb game." After that it felt kind of uncomfortable to state that I supported Lyn.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

In the other thread, people started shouting insults at each other, calling FEH a "horny weeb game." After that it felt kind of uncomfortable to state that I supported Lyn.

You're really susceptible to peer pressure.

 

[Arrei]

You don't need to justify what you like to other people. That goes for pretty much everything, as long as you're not hurting anyone.

As for the topic, I used to like Lyn a lot back in the day, and I think she'd have a very unique visual style compared to other swordies on the roster, but ultimately I think the niche she could fill is already covered by Marth and his clones. Her nature as a would-be disjoint character with a human frame and long weapon means she can't quite just be thrown in the same niche as the likes of Sheik, but if you try to compensate for her range and disjoint with a few frame data adjustments, then you're left with Marth and Friends.

I would rather see her in than Chrom, though - both didn't really DO that much in their games, but Lyn carries a lot of nostalgic value as the first playable character of the first game to hit western shores, while Chrom got a lot of his spotlight taken by Lucina and Robin.

 

[Arthur97]

In the other thread, people started shouting insults at each other, calling FEH a "horny weeb game." After that it felt kind of uncomfortable to state that I supported Lyn.

Woah, don't remember it ever getting that far...maybe I had those set to ignore.

 

[Oddball]

In the other thread, people started shouting insults at each other, calling FEH a "horny weeb game." After that it felt kind of uncomfortable to state that I supported Lyn.

There's a report option and there's an ignore option. I'd suggest using both.

 

[Quillion]

You don't need to justify what you like to other people. That goes for pretty much everything, as long as you're not hurting anyone.

As for the topic, I used to like Lyn a lot back in the day, and I think she'd have a very unique visual style compared to other swordies on the roster, but ultimately I think the niche she could fill is already covered by Marth and his clones. Her nature as a would-be disjoint character with a human frame and long weapon means she can't quite just be thrown in the same niche as the likes of Sheik, but if you try to compensate for her range and disjoint with a few frame data adjustments, then you're left with Marth and Friends.

I would rather see her in than Chrom, though - both didn't really DO that much in their games, but Lyn carries a lot of nostalgic value as the first playable character of the first game to hit western shores, while Chrom got a lot of his spotlight taken by Lucina and Robin.

Again, Meta Knight is a good model for Lyn. He's ridiculously fast and has disjoint, but his adjustments lie in knockback not favoring combos too much nor having enough KBG to kill. This could allow Lyn to have the speedy feel she needs without feeling broken.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Again, Meta Knight is a good model for Lyn. He's ridiculously fast and has disjoint, but his adjustments lie in knockback not favoring combos too much nor having enough KBG to kill. This could allow Lyn to have the speedy feel she needs without feeling broken.

Since Lyn also uses a bow, they could incorporate that into her moveset without making her Link. I'm thinking of a character that uses disjoints and small amounts of projectiles to camp out opponents and emphasize on spacing (I.e., a fighter who destroys Ryu).

 

[Arrei]

Again, Meta Knight is a good model for Lyn. He's ridiculously fast and has disjoint, but his adjustments lie in knockback not favoring combos too much nor having enough KBG to kill. This could allow Lyn to have the speedy feel she needs without feeling broken.

I don't know about that - that's why I brought up Lyn's size and weapon. Meta Knight's small, his disjoint is relatively small after his reach proved to be overpowered in Brawl, and his playstyle plays heavily around his aerial mobility. Lyn on the other hand would have a similar frame to Marth and Lucina, and similar reach, lest you end up with a warrior carrying a long blade who exclusively uses ill-fitting animations in an effort to make her hitboxes smaller like MK's.

 

[Deleted member]

I just want Celica in Smash tbh. But unfortunately, more than likely, she wouldn't be a unique fighter but rather a echo or semi-clone of Robin. But i guess if she makes it she makes it.

 

[YoshiandToad]

The more I think about Chrom being in, the more I like it actually.

I never have been one to accept predestined fate, and Chrom looked pretty doomed to remain Robin's FS, Fates had largely taken over as the popular current Fire Emblem game and Chrom was old news with even Three Houses talked about for ages.
Viridi mocked him in Sm4sh for being too similar to Ike to get in, Captain Falcon gut punched him out of the game and yet here he is in Ultimate picking up a sword and yelling "ANYTHING CAN CHANGE" in the face of everything.

Chrom was slapped with the 'loser' title for Smash, and yet beat his way back in to the next game. Even if he's another Awakening character, he at least proves that hope isn't lost for the Fire Emblem or Pokemon franchises that they'll forever be doomed to the latest game for promotional characters...and I personally think that's pretty cool.

 

[CrimsonFlash]

personally for me lyn deserves to be in smash far more than chrom or lucina (on account of absolutely crushing them in CYL), but I am pretty indifferent to her, I would rather see chrom and lucina removed to any newcomers for the series.

 

[Arthur97]

personally for me lyn deserves to be in smash far more than chrom or lucina (on account of absolutely crushing them in CYL), but I am pretty indifferent to her, I would rather see chrom and lucina removed to any newcomers for the series.

I could present the fallacy of the CYL, but let's instead go with, she didn't crush Lucina (especially with masked Lucina votes). Ike, Lyn and Lucina were in a league of their own.

Also, if you go by that logic, then say goodbye to Marth, the Robins, and Corrins. Instead we get Tharja and Camilla.

 

[Troykv]

(make up your mind about your girls, Nintendo)

I have seen some artwork of her that is really uncomfortable to look at. She's wearing practically nothing under her waist aside from a skirt that reaches slightly down like a Roman legionary's groin guard. Except it's a piece of blue garment. When I say I want Lyn in the game, sometimes I'm worried about people countering and calling me some kind of a pervert.

No problem; Smash would take the Warriors approach if she ends up being playable (gives her some kind of shorts).

 

[Mogisthelioma]

I rather not have another inflation of FE characters again..

Can you elaborate that, please?

 

[Kevandre]

I don't much care about Lyn, honestly. I think she'd have a lot less to bring to the table compared to other GBA era characters like Hector or Ephraim.

That said, I'm all in for just flooding the roster with Fire Emblem characters. There's a ton of potential with that series, and while I'm stoked to see all the characters we do have and I feel like all of them are worthy, I can see why people would be irritated that some of them are too similar. We can stop adding the Marth-inspired ones now (Though keep them all, just don't add more). Let's add in Lance/Axe/Bow users. Dancers and Taguels and Manaketes (Corrin doesn't count). There's so much potential here, especially if Smash tries to incorporate the ideas from these movesets from FE Warriors. I'd be so in for all of it.

Were I to choose, myself, to add someone new from each thing...

Sword - Sigurd, complete with horse. Go all in with it. Make something completely unique.
Axe - Hector. Slow, but strong.
Lance - Ephraim, with Eirika as an alternate costume. I know she uses a sword, but oh well.
Bow - Niles, with Nina as an alternate costume. Gotta get best girl in Smash somehow
Mage - Sigh... I GUESS Celica... I don't like her as a character at all, but I do like her design a lot and Erica Lindbeck is bae
Beast - I suppose Panne? But only because I can't think of a better option. Demon bunny sounds like it has potential
Manakete - Obvi Tiki, though I wouldn't be against Nowi as a costume or something. So long as it isn't weird British young Tiki from FEWarriors

 

[Arthur97]

I don't much care about Lyn, honestly. I think she'd have a lot less to bring to the table compared to other GBA era characters like Hector or Ephraim.

That said, I'm all in for just flooding the roster with Fire Emblem characters. There's a ton of potential with that series, and while I'm stoked to see all the characters we do have and I feel like all of them are worthy, I can see why people would be irritated that some of them are too similar. We can stop adding the Marth-inspired ones now (Though keep them all, just don't add more). Let's add in Lance/Axe/Bow users. Dancers and Taguels and Manaketes (Corrin doesn't count). There's so much potential here, especially if Smash tries to incorporate the ideas from these movesets from FE Warriors. I'd be so in for all of it.

Were I to choose, myself, to add someone new from each thing...

Sword - Sigurd, complete with horse. Go all in with it. Make something completely unique.
Axe - Hector. Slow, but strong.
Lance - Ephraim, with Eirika as an alternate costume. I know she uses a sword, but oh well.
Bow - Niles, with Nina as an alternate costume. Gotta get best girl in Smash somehow
Mage - Sigh... I GUESS Celica... I don't like her as a character at all, but I do like her design a lot and Erica Lindbeck is bae
Beast - I suppose Panne? But only because I can't think of a better option. Demon bunny sounds like it has potential
Manakete - Obvi Tiki, though I wouldn't be against Nowi as a costume or something. So long as it isn't weird British young Tiki from FEWarriors

At that rate, you may be better off with a FE fighting game.

 

[KetchupKaffei]

Can you elaborate that, please?

DLC:

Sakurai himself stated he placed too many in the game.

I was neutral with FE and wanted to try out the franchise like every other character representation in the game until I played Smash 4.
Emblem ruined the roster for me, and people that loved the series to death were kind of stuck up pricks online that thought they were smarter than others.
I literally hate Fire Emblem now with a burning passion because of it.
It's so overrated and was everywhere at the time of Smash 4 being out. FE games and then DLC for Smash 4.
It's gotten annoying real quick and for some others.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

DLC:

Sakurai himself stated he placed too many in the game.

I was neutral with FE and wanted to try out the franchise like every other character representation in the game until I played Smash 4.
Emblem ruined the roster for me, and people that loved the series to death were kind of stuck up pricks online that thought they were smarter than others.
I literally hate Fire Emblem now with a burning passion because of it.
It's so overrated and was everywhere at the time of Smash 4 being out. FE games and then DLC for Smash 4.
It's gotten annoying real quick and for some others.

Well that's certainly one way of putting it.

Although I personally wouldn't mind another FE newcomer, I'd at least like them to have a unique moveset, and certainly not before less represented series get newcomers first.

But having lots of fighters isn't a reason to hate the franchise. It's not the games' fault.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

DLC:

Sakurai himself stated he placed too many in the game.

I was neutral with FE and wanted to try out the franchise like every other character representation in the game until I played Smash 4.
Emblem ruined the roster for me, and people that loved the series to death were kind of stuck up pricks online that thought they were smarter than others.
I literally hate Fire Emblem now with a burning passion because of it.
It's so overrated and was everywhere at the time of Smash 4 being out. FE games and then DLC for Smash 4.
It's gotten annoying real quick and for some others.

Lol, you're so childish.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Lol, you're so childish.

Well at least elaborate on that before throwing insults around.

 

[Opossum]

DLC:

Sakurai himself stated he placed too many in the game.

I was neutral with FE and wanted to try out the franchise like every other character representation in the game until I played Smash 4.
Emblem ruined the roster for me, and people that loved the series to death were kind of stuck up pricks online that thought they were smarter than others.
I literally hate Fire Emblem now with a burning passion because of it.
It's so overrated and was everywhere at the time of Smash 4 being out. FE games and then DLC for Smash 4.
It's gotten annoying real quick and for some others.

So do you hate Metroid now that it's doubled in size since last time and also has a notably toxic side to its fanbase?

 

[KetchupKaffei]

Lol, you're so childish.

Because I have a opinion on a franchise and I guess I can't dislike it because of how annoying it is to me.

So do you hate Metroid now that it's doubled in size since last time and also has a notably toxic side to its fanbase?

So you're going to put words in my mouth?
There's also other factors as to why I hate the FE roster as well. It's not how big the representation was at the time, that's just one small reason as to why I hate them.

Last time, I checked Metroid wasn't anything even near half of what the FE community is like.

Well that's certainly one way of putting it.

Although I personally wouldn't mind another FE newcomer, I'd at least like them to have a unique moveset, and certainly not before less represented series get newcomers first.

But having lots of fighters isn't a reason to hate the franchise. It's not the games' fault.

It is when we could have had better characters in variety, then just sword characters. Them being a whole bunch in one game is only one out of multiple reasons as well why I dislike them and the franchise. I didn't elaborate much more as to why I think they ruined it.

 

[Opossum]

So you're going to put words in my mouth?
There's also other factors as to why I hate the FE roster as well. It's not just how big the representation was at the time, that's just one of the key reasons why I hate them.

Last time, I checked Metroid wasn't anything even near half of what the FE community is like.

I don't know, I've seen a lot of toxicity come from the Metroid community, especially prior to E3 2017.

Not putting words in your mouth, either. You said explosive growth and toxicity were part of why you began to loathe it, and I'm pointing out that Fire Emblem isn't alone in this regard.

 

[KetchupKaffei]

I don't know, I've seen a lot of toxicity come from the Metroid community, especially prior to E3 2017.

Not putting words in your mouth, either. You said explosive growth and toxicity were part of why you began to loathe it, and I'm pointing out that Fire Emblem isn't alone in this regard.

I said they ruined the roster, not just they had "explosive growth". You are putting words in my mouth, because that wasn't my main point.
You took a vague statement and made it into your own.
They're all literally sword fighters and not much variety in series representation and moveset wise.

See, with this game(Ultimate) we have actual variety in characters and not just, as I feel, special treatment to Fire Emblem like the last one.
I want more characters from different series, not just one.

And last time I checked I don't think they were as toxic as FE community around 2014-2016.

 

[Opossum]

I said they ruined the roster, not just they had "explosive growth". You are putting words in my mouth, because that wasn't my main point.
You took a vague statement and made it into your own.
They're all literally sword fighters and not much variety in series representation and moveset wise.

See, with this game(Ultimate) we have actual variety in characters and not just, as I feel, special treatment to Fire Emblem like the last one.
I want more characters from different series, not just one.

And last time I checked I don't think they were as toxic as FE community around 2014-2016.

All I'm saying is that between the franchises' most controversial entries (Other M vs Fates) and controversial spin-offs (Federation Force vs Tokyo Mirage Sessions), the Metroid fanbase was far more vitriolic. That's pretty undeniable.

That and either way it just seems silly to me to hate a game series because of perceived special treatment and resentment toward the fanbase. Hell, Smash's own fanbase is notoriously awful.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

AAAAALRIGHT, EVERYONE! Time to change the subject!

Because we've been talking about Lyn for 2 pages, time to find more newcomer speculation to discuss!
What are your thoughts on Celica as a Robin echo?

 

[Kevandre]

AAAAALRIGHT, EVERYONE! Time to change the subject!

Because we've been talking about Lyn for 2 pages, time to find more newcomer speculation to discuss!
What are your thoughts on Celica as a Robin echo?

I think she has more potential than that- I think she could still do the spellsword thing but in a completely different fashion, more based on how she was in the dungeon sections of SoV.

At that rate, you may be better off with a FE fighting game.

I am 100% okay with this idea

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

AAAAALRIGHT, EVERYONE! Time to change the subject!

Because we've been talking about Lyn for 2 pages, time to find more newcomer speculation to discuss!
What are your thoughts on Celica as a Robin echo?

Weapons breaking and attack cool-down periods are lame in Smash.

 

[staindgrey]

Celica doesn't work as a Robin echo.

Robin's whole degrading weapons thing doesn't apply to either of Celica's games. The only similarity between the two is that they are canonically shown to use both a sword and tomes. That's... kind of it. Applying Robin's moveset would be entirely disingenuous to Celica's character.

Using Robin as a loose template for animations and sharing a couple moves, a la Isabelle? That could work.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Celica doesn't work as a Robin echo.

Robin's whole degrading weapons thing doesn't apply to either of Celica's games. The only similarity between the two is that they are canonically shown to use both a sword and tomes. That's... kind of it. Applying Robin's moveset would be entirely disingenuous to Celica's character.

Using Robin as a loose template for animations and sharing a couple moves, a la Isabelle? That could work.

I have my doubts that we'll be getting another FE fighter outside of an echo, but maybe they can discard the sword degrading mechanic for something else but keep the tomes/weight/etc. all the same.

 

[staindgrey]

I have my doubts that we'll be getting another FE fighter outside of an echo, but maybe they can discard the sword degrading mechanic for something else but keep the tomes/weight/etc. all the same.

Robin's tomes degrade as well. It's part of her balance.

Removing the weapon degrading fundamentally changes how the character should work and how she needs to be balanced. Less an echo and more a semi-clone, if anything.

 

[Mogisthelioma]

Robin's tomes degrade as well. It's part of her balance.

Removing the weapon degrading fundamentally changes how the character should work and how she needs to be balanced. Less an echo and more a semi-clone, if anything.

Even if it went against her character....they weren't afraid to make Lucina and Chrom clones. I wouldn't be surprised if she was an Echo, and personally I wouldn't have a problem with it. Making FE characters clones seems to be a thing for them.