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-Ganondorf using his sexy HW design and moves based from it.
A bunch
: Specials changed to different Copy Abilities, maybe a few Copy Abilities as normals. : More moves that aren't just spinning around. : More/better references to the Yoshi series. : Using PSI they can actually use. : Complete 80% or more revamp, with actual references to the LoZ series. : More/better references to the Star Fox series. : Using the Magic Paintbrush as a standard weapon. : More/better references to the Donkey Kong series. 
My problem with switching to a Champion based moveset is that not only is Zelda still associated with the goddesses in BotW, but Zelda also NEVER uses the Champion powers, Link does. Sure, they're her Champions, but that doesn't mean she gets their powers. And also there's the argument you brought up of the Champion powers losing relevance by the next iteration of Smash.
I often wonder if Elma was the sole Xenoblade newcomer added to Smash Switch, would Rex & Pyra be mocked by the fandom. I feel a repeat of the Chrom situation would happen again.That thing about how awesome him getting to be an Final Smash got shot down hard when Palutena and Viridi ridiculed him on top of being an Ike-clone. (Ironically enough, the FS itself is a copy of Ike's more or less) . And this kind of 'treatment' still exists within the actual game. It is not just a fan-thing anymore - it's actually more or less enforced by the game for some reason.
I have said it many times before in the past, if they didn't do ridiculing on him and such in the first place, I would have taken in his role in the game with much more warmer hands. But even today, his ridiculing has gone on games like Project X Zone 2, which has had me realize sadly how much deep these kind of portrayals for characters can seep to their future appearances. I wish Smash Bros wouldn't use it's sheer influence to ruin characters like that ever again, at least this straightforwardly. But I'm asking impossibility here, knowing Sakurai's loved sense of humour.
Depending on if the Guidance lines and premise for Robin's own with that whole ridiculing was even pre-determined long before reveal trailer itself, it was still Sakurai's choice to paint Chrom's inclusion in a mocking light, for some reason. I personally resent that kind of thing to just about anything regarding things like this, and seeing it happen to one of my wanted FE-newcomers was quite a kick in the teeth on me as a long-time Smash-fan.
Since then it hasn't made me very open on enjoying characters as I see many do here - and not exactly feel as hyped on Smash after what I've gone through during Smash 4's pre-and-post speculation days - including DLC with how Roy was more hated than welcome by Western fanbases.
That wouldn’t make sense, maybe if Pyra is added but not Rex? I remember thinking maybe Chrom/Lucina would work as one character but they decided on just Lucina.
While that's true, it also has to do with the fact that the Zelda is the mortal incarnation of the goddess Hylia. Also it was her duty in Breath of the Wild to pray to the Goddesses to grant her the strength to seal away Ganon. The Champions just protected her along the way.Zelda never used the ocarina of time magic powers yet here we are with her current specials
I doubt it.
- Would be nice at least a custom move involving Cappy. Or maybe see Cappy as an item?- Some moveset changes to reflect his Breath of the Wild attire.- Breath of the Wild attire with some better moves would be nice.- Breath of the Wild attire, perhaps based off the Stealth Armor set in-game?- Breath of the Wild inspired redesign, with an overhauled moveset would be great.- Star Fox Zero design.- Star Fox Zero design, with maybe some slight moveset changes to differentiate himself a bit more?- Should he return, at least make him use that staff of his so that he's no longer a clone of Pit.
Probably because in Ocarina of Time, she really doesn't do much to fill a four special set. I think because of her bond with Goddesses and Link, those spells fits her, just like using Pit's tecniques fits Palutena. And after that... they can't really create a new moveset for her everytime Nintendo makes a successful Legend of Zelda game.Zelda never used the ocarina of time magic powers yet here we are with her current specials
I've seen this argument before and while it makes sense, Zelda has been using specific OOT spells and Link has used his Gale boomerang after as well.
The Champion abilities are a better fit for Link, but even then it doesn't make much sense. The bombs (or in this case, Sheikah bombs) and bow compliment BotW Link much better than Champion abilites, and the boomerang, while not nearly as big as the other two, doesn't really seem like it needs to be replaced.
And you're not wrong. Getting a BotW-inspired move would compliment Zelda for the time being, but it doesn't necessarily make her a better character.
I would be shocked if they replaced Link's spin attack. It's been his signature move for the vast majority of Link's existence.
And he still has it in BotW.
Hat throw as his grab.Make the tornado his side special and give him the Poltergust for his down special.Make him spit fireballs instead of a steady stream of fire.Just make his forward smash the shoulder bash again, why did they even change that.C O C O N U T G U NI'd just give him remote bombs and a regular boomerang.Give her all the buffs... and a new down special.Sword and magic. Deadman's Volley. Completely redo him please Sakurai.Make her more like Mega Man with projectiles for standard attacks.Bring back the gliding mechanic and give it back to the appropriate characters.Make Jumpglide her default recovery and just give her entirely new specials for the rest.Get rid of the durability mechanic.Bring back the Brawl hammer.Bring back Waddle Dees.Give him Wario's air speed and Arwing for a final smash.Give the yoyo its hitbox back on charges.Sparkly fairy effects?Dark effects?Reference Stack Up somewhere in his moveset.Bring back the squad, add Rock and Flying Pikmin, make his recovery the jetpack from Hey Pikmin.Less janky hitboxes.For the love of god get rid of all the lag on his attacks.Give his sprite attacks (fruit/ghosts) 3D models and fix his useless grab.Revamp customization.Toon Link keeping the classic moves would not make changing Link ok.
I'm not sure. I feel like it would be really unfair to Toon Link considering how many games he has under his belt.
Yet I don’t see them using his design for another game. The last time was triforce heroes. Ocarina Link is probably the most iconic and popular and his design was changed too.
Wind Waker was recently remastered, and Triforce Heroes has been released between Smash Wii U and now. It's not like Toon Link has been ignored for a long time. I don't think Toon Link is going anywhere.
Errr actually your point is working against you.
So was twilight princess... At the very least he’s not going to be used the way he was during the DS era
I don't quite understand how Twilight Princess is related to the discussion. The entire point here is that it'd be silly to remove Toon Link because he has received both a remaster and a new game. Twilight Princess was remastered, but there's also been a new mainline Zelda game. They're in different situations.
As far as I know Hyrule Warriors is a spin-off title made by a third party. I seriously doubt next game will include anything from it aside from some trophies and maybe music.
Metroid Other M received a lot of representation and it was also developed by team ninja.
I remember someone asking a while back what we thought would happen first. Us getting new info on Smash 5, or this thread reaching 1000 pages.
Oops, my mistake. I still think it's in a weird place, but you're right, I jumped the gun.
